Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

[Guest guest]

Of, course, it would be nice to know their strain names. But,

salivarius, plantarum & subtilis all will easily pass the stomach & its

acid, and will colonize the intestines -- IF we eat the raw vegetable

diet they feed on!

We have to repopulate the organisms constantly only because we don't eat

a diet that supports them.

jim

Sharon sey wrote:

>

> Hi Group,

>

> The following was posted to my algae dist. list. This is the first time

> I've heard of this and I'm wondering if any of you knows about this

> product.

> Sharon

> =====================================================

>

> Have you read any info. on the HSOs? It's incredible. See the

> following

> Subject: Homeostatic Soil Organisms. . . " The revolutionary

> rediscovery of a

> missing link in our immune system. "

>

> Note the Difference Between SBOs Vs. HSOs

> (from book entitled: 'Beyond Probiotics')

>

> SBOs--Resident Bacteria Like Acidophilus

> 1..Many cannot make it through stomach and other acids to even reach

> the

> colon.

> 2. Cannot implant in alkaline colons (which most of us have)

> 3. Cannot effectively fight off the massive amounts of harmful

> bacteria in

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[Guest guest]

sounds really great. please let me know if you find more about them.

[Guest guest]

I ordered a case of them ('Primal Defense' brand), took

about two bottles, and noticed nothing different...

If you decide you want to try them, I'd be glad to let you

have the rest at a substantial discount...

Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

> sounds really great. please let me know if you find more

about them.

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,

Would you please post the strains of bacteria listed on this product's

label?

jim

Simon -the- Jester wrote:

>

> I ordered a case of them ('Primal Defense' brand), took

> about two bottles, and noticed nothing different...

>

> If you decide you want to try them, I'd be glad to let you

> have the rest at a substantial discount...

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Jim Lambert wrote:

>

> ,

>

> Would you please post the strains of bacteria listed on this product's

> label?

>

> jim

>

> Simon -the- Jester wrote:

> >

> > I ordered a case of them ('Primal Defense' brand), took

> > about two bottles, and noticed nothing different...

Jim, or ,

Isn't the Primal Defense " SBOs " ? ----rather than whatever the heck HSOs

are.

Sharon

[Guest guest]

Sharon,

That's what I'm trying to determine.

jim

Sharon sey wrote:

> Jim, or ,

>

> Isn't the Primal Defense " SBOs " ? ----rather than whatever the heck HSOs

> are.

>

> Sharon

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[Guest guest]

First - the very first site Goole turned up on 'Primal

Defense', which clearly refers to them as 'HSOs':

www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm

From the same site (www.risingstarlc.com/pddisc.htm#ingred),

the ingredients are:

The PRIMAL DEFENSEä formula is made up of three products in

one 500 mg capsule. It contains:

a.. 250 mg HSO: L. Acidophilus, B. Bifidum, B.

Licheniformis, B. Subtilus, L. Lactis and L. Bulgaricus

contained in an HSO host medium of minerals (plant derived)

and ionic elements originating from ancient sea deposits. B.

Subtilus and B. Licheniformis have been studied extensively

and found to be extremely effective against viruses.

a.. 160 mg Certified Organic Green Grass Juices

(nutrient-dense 33:1 concentrate) in the following ratio:

55% Kamut Grass Juice, 15% Alfalfa Grass Juice, 15% Oat

Grass Juice, 15% Barley Grass Juice.

a.. 80 mg PhytoSterol/Sterolin Blend from sprouts in their

natural whole food form (low temperature flash freeze

dried). Sprouts included are Wild African Potato, Oilseed

Plant, Lupins, Fenugreek, Barley, Wheat, Soybean and African

Sunflower.

Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

> Jim Lambert wrote:

> >

> > ,

> >

> > Would you please post the strains of bacteria listed on

this product's

> > label?

> >

> > jim

> >

> > Simon -the- Jester wrote:

> > >

> > > I ordered a case of them ('Primal Defense' brand),

took

> > > about two bottles, and noticed nothing different...

>

> Jim, or ,

>

> Isn't the Primal Defense " SBOs " ? ----rather than whatever

the heck HSOs

> are.

>

> Sharon

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There is more to their product than just the bacteria, but I recognize

all save one of the strains, and they are the same SBO's with which we

are already familiar. It seems to me that they are renaming the SBO's

capable of populating the intestine, as opposed to the ones that are

just passing through in our diet.

It sounds like a good product with too much hype.

jim

Simon -the- Jester wrote:

>

> First - the very first site Goole turned up on 'Primal

> Defense', which clearly refers to them as 'HSOs':

>

> www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm

>

> >From the same site (www.risingstarlc.com/pddisc.htm#ingred),

> the ingredients are:

> The PRIMAL DEFENSEä formula is made up of three products in

> one 500 mg capsule. It contains:

>

> a.. 250 mg HSO: L. Acidophilus, B. Bifidum, B.

> Licheniformis, B. Subtilus, L. Lactis and L. Bulgaricus

> contained in an HSO host medium of minerals (plant derived)

> and ionic elements originating from ancient sea deposits. B.

> Subtilus and B. Licheniformis have been studied extensively

> and found to be extremely effective against viruses.

> a.. 160 mg Certified Organic Green Grass Juices

> (nutrient-dense 33:1 concentrate) in the following ratio:

> 55% Kamut Grass Juice, 15% Alfalfa Grass Juice, 15% Oat

> Grass Juice, 15% Barley Grass Juice.

> a.. 80 mg PhytoSterol/Sterolin Blend from sprouts in their

> natural whole food form (low temperature flash freeze

> dried). Sprouts included are Wild African Potato, Oilseed

> Plant, Lupins, Fenugreek, Barley, Wheat, Soybean and African

> Sunflower.

>

>

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Hello,

To decide if your product will actually grow simply open up two capsules and

stir into about 1/2 cup milk. If it cultures the milk, great. If not find

another one. I did this with the Primal Defense and the milk became thick

like pudding. I had many other people do this with their product and

nothing happened. NO change. The primal defense will actually colonize

where the others may be doing something but how can they grow if they don't

grow?

Thanks for the opportunity to share this.

Sande

Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

> There is more to their product than just the bacteria, but I recognize

> all save one of the strains, and they are the same SBO's with which we

> are already familiar. It seems to me that they are renaming the SBO's

> capable of populating the intestine, as opposed to the ones that are

> just passing through in our diet.

>

> It sounds like a good product with too much hype.

>

> jim

>

> Simon -the- Jester wrote:

> >

> > First - the very first site Goole turned up on 'Primal

> > Defense', which clearly refers to them as 'HSOs':

> >

> > www.risingstarlc.com/pdindex.htm

> >

> > >From the same site (www.risingstarlc.com/pddisc.htm#ingred),

> > the ingredients are:

> > The PRIMAL DEFENSEä formula is made up of three products in

> > one 500 mg capsule. It contains:

> >

> > a.. 250 mg HSO: L. Acidophilus, B. Bifidum, B.

> > Licheniformis, B. Subtilus, L. Lactis and L. Bulgaricus

> > contained in an HSO host medium of minerals (plant derived)

> > and ionic elements originating from ancient sea deposits. B.

> > Subtilus and B. Licheniformis have been studied extensively

> > and found to be extremely effective against viruses.

> > a.. 160 mg Certified Organic Green Grass Juices

> > (nutrient-dense 33:1 concentrate) in the following ratio:

> > 55% Kamut Grass Juice, 15% Alfalfa Grass Juice, 15% Oat

> > Grass Juice, 15% Barley Grass Juice.

> > a.. 80 mg PhytoSterol/Sterolin Blend from sprouts in their

> > natural whole food form (low temperature flash freeze

> > dried). Sprouts included are Wild African Potato, Oilseed

> > Plant, Lupins, Fenugreek, Barley, Wheat, Soybean and African

> > Sunflower.

> >

> >

>

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Sande n wrote:

>

> Hello,

>

> To decide if your product will actually grow((in milk)) simply open up two

capsules

>and stir into about 1/2 cup milk. If it cultures the milk, great. If

not find

> another one. I did this with the Primal Defense and the milk became thick

> like pudding. I had many other people do this with their product and

> nothing happened. NO change. The primal defense will actually colonize

> where the others may be doing something but how can they grow if they don't

> grow?

> Thanks for the opportunity to share this.

> Sande

This indicates that primal defense was grown in a milk/lactic acid base

and likes it.

Del Snow

[Guest guest]

Hi Del,

So then what are the other products grown on so we can do an experiment to

see if they reproduce like the Primal Defense? And, lactic acid is actually

a benefit to the intestine as found in cultured foods such as yogurt,

sauerkraut, kimchee, etc. It can be food for the healthy bacteria there.

Thanks for your time.

Sande

> Sande n wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > To decide if your product will actually grow((in milk)) simply open up

two capsules

> >and stir into about 1/2 cup milk. If it cultures the milk, great. If

> not find

> > another one. I did this with the Primal Defense and the milk became

thick

> > like pudding. I had many other people do this with their product and

> > nothing happened. NO change. The primal defense will actually colonize

> > where the others may be doing something but how can they grow if they

don't

> > grow?

> > Thanks for the opportunity to share this.

> > Sande

>

> This indicates that primal defense was grown in a milk/lactic acid base

> and likes it.

> Del Snow

[Guest guest]

Del,

I can't agree. The bacterial strains in that product will culture in

milk regardless of what medium they were manufactured in. They are

called lactobacilli because they produce lactic acid, not because they

like it.

They have a Ph survival range. When the Ph is too high, even in lactic

acid, they will die off. That is the purpose of refridgerating them, to

slow their metabolic processes.

jim

" H.SNOW " wrote:

>

>

> This indicates that primal defense was grown in a milk/lactic acid base

> and likes it.

> Del Snow

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Sande,

To amplify on my last post, lactic acid is a waste product for these

bacteria. They are called lactobacilli for this reason. It is their

lactic acid that keeps our intestines at the proper Ph in a given

section. Their Ph creates both a hostile environment for pathogens, and

triggers digestive enzymes.

The Ph in the stomach is acid, but the pancreas releases bicarbonate of

soda to lower the Ph before it enters the small intestine. Here, the

primary strains are acidophilus & bulgaricus. Then, the Ph goes up again

in the colon, where the primary strains are bifidus, longhum,

salivarius, plantarum.

The exact strains will vary with location. In North Africa, subtilus may

be more common. In the Georgia region of Russia, bulgaricus is more

common. But, wherever we are located, there exist strains of soil

bacteria of the right Ph for our needs. If you make sauerkraut you are

making plantarum. Kimchi may be yet another, I don't know. Each ferment

may favor different strains. They can be cultured in many mediums.

We are supposed to get them into us by eating directly off the plant.

But, in our modern farm-to-home system the bacteria are killed off in

the name of shelf-life.

jim

Sande n wrote:

>

> Hi Del,

>

> So then what are the other products grown on so we can do an experiment to

> see if they reproduce like the Primal Defense? And, lactic acid is actually

> a benefit to the intestine as found in cultured foods such as yogurt,

> sauerkraut, kimchee, etc. It can be food for the healthy bacteria there.

>

> Thanks for your time.

> Sande

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Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

SNIP> The Ph in the stomach is acid, but the pancreas releases bicarbonate

of

> soda to lower the Ph before it enters the small intestine.

Jim,

I think you ment to say, NaHCO3 from the pancreas " increases " the pH before

it enters the small intestines.

P.M.

<Here, the

> primary strains are acidophilus & bulgaricus. Then, the Ph goes up again

> in the colon, where the primary strains are bifidus, longhum,

> salivarius, plantarum.

>

[Guest guest]

I guess that means the Primal Defense is not for those of us allergic

to milk?

> Sande n wrote:

> >

> > Hello,

> >

> > To decide if your product will actually grow((in milk)) simply open

> > up two capsules

> >and stir into about 1/2 cup milk. If it cultures the milk, great.

> >If

> not find

> > another one. I did this with the Primal Defense and the milk became

> > thick like pudding. I had many other people do this with their

> > product and nothing happened. NO change. The primal defense will

> > actually colonize where the others may be doing something but how

> > can they grow if they don't grow? Thanks for the opportunity to

> > share this. Sande

>

> This indicates that primal defense was grown in a milk/lactic acid

> base and likes it. Del Snow

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,

Quite right, alkaline is up, isn't it? I must have meant the other up.

;-)

jim

Marino wrote:

>

> Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

>

> SNIP> The Ph in the stomach is acid, but the pancreas releases bicarbonate

> of

> > soda to lower the Ph before it enters the small intestine.

>

> Jim,

> I think you ment to say, NaHCO3 from the pancreas " increases " the pH before

> it enters the small intestines.

> P.M.

>

> <Here, the

> > primary strains are acidophilus & bulgaricus. Then, the Ph goes up again

> > in the colon, where the primary strains are bifidus, longhum,

> > salivarius, plantarum.

> >

>

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,

Virtually every HFS has a non-dairy brand of SBO's.

jm

Eagle wrote:

>

> I guess that means the Primal Defense is not for those of us allergic

> to milk?

>

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Jim,

I always thought that scale was poorly done. After all, were talking about

potense of Hydrogen ion. So the more ya got the stronger the acid .

So we say, the pH goes up. I think (to myself) the potense of hydrogen ion

is increasing. The solution is becoming more acidic......WRONG! The scale is

inversely related???? When the pH goes up (on the scale) the solution is

less acidic.

I had a physiology professor explain the origins of the scale to me. I

still think, it was made more complicated than it could/should have been!

P.M.

Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

> ,

>

> Quite right, alkaline is up, isn't it? I must have meant the other up.

> ;-)

>

> jim

>

[Guest guest]

There is also the matter of whether or not the hydrogen ions

in question are positively or negativelu charged. Dr

Flanagans Microhydrin is supposedly full of negatively

charged (supposedly the good guys) hydrogen ions.

Re: Is anyone familiar with HSOs?

>

>

> > ,

> >

> > Quite right, alkaline is up, isn't it? I must have meant

the other up.

> > ;-)

> >

> > jim

> >

>

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