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[Guest guest]

Theresa,

I commend you for teaching your daughter to be responsible for her

behavior, OCD or not. I am working on this with my five year old. I just

feel he needs to know that OCD or not, he is ultimately responsible for his

actions and the effects they have. Perhaps if my husband had learned this

lesson he would not have left us. He has chronic depression and therefore

believes anything and everything he does is justified because he has a

" disability " . He is destroying his family but it is not his fault due to

depression. I will not allow my son to fall into this way of thinking. I do

chose my battles, I am well educated about OCD, and I help him. But

ultimately, he must learn to be responsible for his actions. In a way your

letter was encouragement to me. To see that another is expecting this from

and OCD child. Thank you.

noelle

noelle136@...

[Guest guest]

Dear Theresa and others: Help! Right now I feel so frustrated. In my last

post, I told you all we were going away, which we did. Unfortunately we had

to come home too. I had an incident with my daughter the evening before we

left to go to Cape May. She was out with about 4 friends and called around

10 pmand ll pm to ask if they could all sleep over. I said no, because I

had work the next day. At l0 minutes to l2 (midnite) she called to ask

again. I said no and come home now. Curfew is at midnight. At 1 am we woke

up to find all 5 kids in my den. I was amazed and appalled. To think she

would deliberately disobey me!!! She said they planned to go to another's

house but got locked out. I say it does not matter because she should have

made plans at l0:00 when she first called. Now she is angry at US. Well we

grounded her for 2 weekends and she said you can't stop me from going out.

Is this ocd or just a beligerant adolescent? When I think of the ocd and

all the visits to school, the nurse, the psychologist, the docs, etc. and now

this.........its hard not to be depressed myself. It seems too much for any

one person. Sorry, guys, just feeling really angry. Sometimes I get

resentful too. Sheree

[Guest guest]

Dear ,

Unfortunately I miss most of the posts and for this I also miss the entire

conversation

which kind of puts me in a spot of not hearing everything I should hear before

coming to a conclusion.

I wasn't sure if you were being sarcastic by putting " shedding some light " in

quotation marks. I don't mean to sound as if I know it all because I certainly

don't. Unfortunately I know what it is like to have OCD. I also know what

it is like to have a 2 year old waking me up at all hours of the night to clean

an

already spotless house.

So if I mistated I apologize. It just sounded to me that your " pushing " an

OCDER

is similar to making an anorexic eat. You can't MAKE an anorexic eat and you

can't make an OCDER just stop their compulsions. This is something they need

to do with professional help and it needs to be an accomplishment all their own.

Good Luck.

wrote:

> From: <maryth3@...>

>

> ,

> Thanks for " shedding some light " on this

> subject. You are right, most of us don't have

> OCD, and have no understanding of what it's

> like to have it. I am trying to be as patient and

> understanding as I can be while at the same time

> giving that extra push.

>

> Thanks,

> mary from LA

>

> Knod wrote:

>

> > From: Knod <kelly@...>

> >

> > I agree to some extent that our children need to be responsible for their

actions regardless of the OCD or not. HOWEVER, I am a Mother who has OCD and

until you have had the nagging

> > thoughts and the scary obsessions and rituals it is impossible to understand

just how hard it is to " control " your OCD behavior.

> >

> > Through Behavior Therapy my daughter and myself have learned ways of

handling our OCD but to tell me that I need to be responsible for something I

truly have no control over makes no sense.

> > With Behavior Therapy I have learned ways to Control my thoughts and

feelings but without it you can't expect a child to just take responsibility for

her OCD.

> >

> >

> >

> > Noelle136@... wrote:

> >

> > > From: Noelle136@...

> > >

> > > Theresa,

> > > I commend you for teaching your daughter to be responsible for her

> > > behavior, OCD or not. I am working on this with my five year old. I just

> > > feel he needs to know that OCD or not, he is ultimately responsible for

his

> > > actions and the effects they have. Perhaps if my husband had learned this

> > > lesson he would not have left us. He has chronic depression and therefore

> > > believes anything and everything he does is justified because he has a

> > > " disability " . He is destroying his family but it is not his fault due to

> > > depression. I will not allow my son to fall into this way of thinking. I

do

> > > chose my battles, I am well educated about OCD, and I help him. But

> > > ultimately, he must learn to be responsible for his actions. In a way

your

> > > letter was encouragement to me. To see that another is expecting this

from

> > > and OCD child. Thank you.

> > > noelle

> > > noelle136@...

> > >

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for " shedding some light " on this

subject. You are right, most of us don't have

OCD, and have no understanding of what it's

like to have it. I am trying to be as patient and

understanding as I can be while at the same time

giving that extra push.

Thanks,

mary from LA

Knod wrote:

> From: Knod <kelly@...>

>

> I agree to some extent that our children need to be responsible for their

actions regardless of the OCD or not. HOWEVER, I am a Mother who has OCD and

until you have had the nagging

> thoughts and the scary obsessions and rituals it is impossible to understand

just how hard it is to " control " your OCD behavior.

>

> Through Behavior Therapy my daughter and myself have learned ways of handling

our OCD but to tell me that I need to be responsible for something I truly have

no control over makes no sense.

> With Behavior Therapy I have learned ways to Control my thoughts and feelings

but without it you can't expect a child to just take responsibility for her OCD.

>

>

>

> Noelle136@... wrote:

>

> > From: Noelle136@...

> >

> > Theresa,

> > I commend you for teaching your daughter to be responsible for her

> > behavior, OCD or not. I am working on this with my five year old. I just

> > feel he needs to know that OCD or not, he is ultimately responsible for his

> > actions and the effects they have. Perhaps if my husband had learned this

> > lesson he would not have left us. He has chronic depression and therefore

> > believes anything and everything he does is justified because he has a

> > " disability " . He is destroying his family but it is not his fault due to

> > depression. I will not allow my son to fall into this way of thinking. I

do

> > chose my battles, I am well educated about OCD, and I help him. But

> > ultimately, he must learn to be responsible for his actions. In a way your

> > letter was encouragement to me. To see that another is expecting this from

> > and OCD child. Thank you.

> > noelle

> > noelle136@...

> >

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> > Join a new ONElist e-mail community and strengthen your mind!

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[Guest guest]

Hi Diane and welcome to the list. I am a preschool teacher and my

specialty is behavior management. When my daughter says " I hate when

you talk to me that preschool teacher talk " I know it means " I hate when

you set a limit and do it in a way that is firm, clear and

non-negotiable, I'd much prefer to a) get my own way or at least get

the satisfaction of pushing your buttons and watch you spin out of

control and turn into a raving lunatic " . I suspect your daughter means

about the same when she says she hates when you talk to her like a

client.

My daughter was 10 when she refused meds and I didn't want this to

become a struggle between us either - I don't want to be the med

pusher. I told her that her job was to discuss this with her doctor and

my job was to make sure she complied with her doctors recommendations.

Her doctor talked with her and they established a set of criteria they

would use to assess how successful she was w/o meds. This involved

rating how much sad time was reasonable, how much time spent on OCD was

reasonable, how much mood swings were reasonable. Part of the deal was

I would make no accomadations for her symptoms: no waiting till her

clothes felt " just right " , no endless reassuring, no plan changes to

work around her moods etc. (things that are almost unnecessary when the

meds are working). There was other stuff too but i don't remember it

all now. Anyway, she eventually (2-3 mos?) had a " meltdown " and I took

her to her doctor and he talked to her about the criteria they had

agreed upon and assessed her present state in regards to that. She was

feeling confused, scared and vulnerable and this made her more willing

to listen to another point of view. We told her that she was a smart,

capable mature person who was able to be happy and make good choices;

however, she had a brain disorder that sometimes causes an imbalance in

her brain chemistry and so her perceptions about her feelings and the

world could become distorted and inaccurate and this was making it hard

for her to feel ok or think clearly about what thoughts are real and

which are not.

Once this chemical was balanced with medication she would be able to

access the happy capable part of herself again. At this point she was

pretty desparate and willing to try anything, including believing us.

Before her meltdown she was convinced that I was the problem........or

that annoying kid in class........or whatever. She agreed to take meds

again and we agreed that if she experienced side affects (that's what

turned her off in the first place) we'd try another medication.

Now she says she doesn't have OCD anymore because Paxil " cures " her.

And she's noticed I don't do the preschool talk so much anymore, she

sees this as a sign of my own personal growth rather than a reflection

of her improved behavior. Whatever.

I'm not sure what works for a 10 yr old works for a 17 yr old but I hope

this gives you some ideas.

Dana in NC

's wrote:

> HI everyone, I am new to the group and want to tell you about my

> daughter Ashleigh. She is 17 years old and was diagnosed with OCD a

> year ago. She started out on 20 mg of prozac which seemed to help for

> awhile but than it became it was not enough to keep her stable. So

> her psychiatrist increased her prozac to 40mg. She did well on it

> until her boyfriend told her she was acting " crabby " As a result, she

> went to the psychiatrist and he took her off the prozac and we are

> awaiting the crash. She has been off for about a month now and I can

> see the signs slowly returning but she doesn't . When talking to her,

> she thinks I am over reacting. To make thinkgs worse I work in the

> mental health field which works out well when I communicate to the

> DR. but to her she thinks I am treating her like a client. Well, I

> quess I am asking if any of you had to watch your loved child with OCD

> go off meds (as a lesson to learn that she really does have the

> illness) and how long you waited until you got her help. she sees the

> psychiatrist in July and of course he is willing to see her again

> sooner if necessary. But my concern is that I want to protect her

> from the crash and I won't to hear from others to see how they handled

> it If any one can help I would appreciate it. ThanksDiane

[Guest guest]

This is so sad and so true...my extended family too--on both sides--is very

much interested in the " feel good " news we have, and to be honest, I've just

given up any hope of getting support from them. I don't have the patience or

the energy to " make them feel good " anymore...Not my place.

Our relationship with both sides of the family are very superficial. Thank

heaven's for great support lists and great friends.

You know what they say-- " You can pick your friends, but ya can't pick your

family! " And personally I always add that I must surround myself by caring

people who are interested in being supportive in a very real way! Just my two

cents worth.

Take good care,

in S. ontario, Cda.

In a message dated 11/19/1999 8:41:19 AM Eastern Standard Time,

j.monnens@... writes:

<<

Robin wrote:

" I personally have family members living here in Hawaii that I cannot share

with. They are just

incapable of supporting us. It makes for a very superficial relationship

but

at present the only type we can seem to maintain. "

Boy, Robin, can I relate to this. My only sibling can't deal with my son's

mental illness and I think would prefer that we live even further away than

we do (I'm in Cleveland, he's in Syracuse). I rarely even talk with him on

the phone because I'm not interested in chit chat when my life is subsumed

by dealing with all my son's issues. (He only wants to hear that things

are fine, and I have a hard time saying everything's hunky dory when my

life is falling apart at the seams.) The sad part is that this keeps my

son and my nephew from visiting even once a year. It's very difficult to

explain to Aiden that his relatives don't want to visit here or have us

come there without making them look bad. I usually just say that they are

" too busy " . As for the holiday letters, I do put in something about

Aiden's struggles, but I am selective in who receives these messages. My

brother simply gets a holiday card with a short message on it. I've

learned over the years that if folks can't deal with it, then I don't have

to worry about maintaining the relationship. I know this sounds harsh, but

I only have a limited amount of energy. If people want to keep in touch,

I'm happy to do that. But I can't expend the time and effort in a

relationship that is one-sided. I'm very pleasant when we meet, but I

can't put my soul into it. I hope you all know what I mean. It's very

hard to articulate. I don't dislike or begrudge these folks. I just have

to put my energy where it helps my family. On the flip side, other friends

have come out to me about problems in their own families and we have grown

closer as a result.

Jule

>>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jule,

Absolutely!

You wrote:

.... and I have a hard time saying everything's hunky dory when my

> life is falling apart at the seams.)

My whole family has rallied around my stepsister and her divorce, which

is of course a terrible time, but it's the kind of bad time everyone can

relate to. No one ever asks how we're managing, financially,

emotionally or otherwise. I guess they see my daughter's disorder as

nothing more than a difficult period of childhood, when they think of it

at all.

I liked what you said about protecting the energy that you must have for

your (immediate) family.

Take it easy,

Lesli (Bay Area)

[Guest guest]

Hi Deborah:

Sorry about all these abbreviations and acronyms. I am a dreadful

keyboarder so I have to take these shortcuts. MDD = major depressive

disorder. This is probably the most troubling and difficult DSM-IV

(Diagnostic Statistical Manual - Fourth Version) diagnosis of the three he

has. <VBG> is very big grin. <G> is just grin. These are called

emoticons and are a way we try to make up for the loss of non-verbal cues

when communicating on the Internet.

Major depressive disorder is a mood disorder which is quite prevalent with

OCD. Luckily we have found that medications help a lot with this and I am

learning CBT from a therapist for my own depression (probably just

dysthymia) so I can start using it to help Steve with his depression.

Hope this helps, sorry for being so obtuse. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

At 07:29 PM 07/29/2000 EDT, you wrote:

>Hi Kathy,

>You've mentioned your son having MDD. Would you please tell me what that

is?

> Sometimes don't understand some of the abreviations as I am new at this.

>Also, since I'm asking, what are <vbg> & <g>?

>Thank you,

>Deborah

[Guest guest]

For me it did help with my liver problems. My liver has problems digesting

protein, this is probably caused by TBC medication - which has to be taken for

12 months intensely -.

When I took H2O2 my daily attack of CFS did not occur - or much less, normally I

had quite a dip two hours after lunch.

But after some months of taking 2 times 5 drops a day I started to get a

painfull feeling in the heart area, not accute but a wornout feeling, as if it

was exhausted. This went away after stopping the intake. I did not take my

antioxidants that regularly - like SOD and vit E - so maybe that was one of the

reasons for the effect it had on my heart

Regards

Doedens

Ofcourse the taste is not nice, but I could cope with it.

d darr wrote:

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>

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[Guest guest]

Who is this person, Pam?

[Guest guest]

Sorry I meant . Anyone else get this email about her sending us a

virus to this group?

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did and I am new. It was my first email from the toiletries list.

Kim S.

Re: (no subject)

> Sorry I meant . Anyone else get this email about her sending us a

> virus to this group?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

yes, I received the email that was an apology

Cates3Gems@... wrote:

> Sorry I meant . Anyone else get this email about her sending us a

> virus to this group?

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, i got it also. I have noticed nothing unusually funny with my computer

so i din't go the site for fear i would GET a virus, since i didn't know who

this email was from.

katherine

On Fri, 19 Oct 2001 14:20:57 EDT, wrote:

> Sorry I meant . Anyone else get this email about her sending us a

> virus to this group?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did a couple of days ago. Deleted it.

Sharon

Re: (no subject)

> Sorry I meant . Anyone else get this email about her sending us a

> virus to this group?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was making the gel at first thinking i was going to save a ton of money

but i found out my time is worth more and it doesn't cost that much more

for already made gel. I buy it from craftexpress.

katherine

On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:54:44 EDT, wrote:

> Know what you mean I have so many interests but not enough time! I have

> wanted to do candles for a long time and these new gel ones interests me.

Do

> you make the gel? I read other gals were having trouble with wicks, it's

so

> nice to have a forum where you can read other peoples mistakes and

pervent

> them yourself. I sure wish I knew about this list 3yrs. ago! But

sometimes

> it's good to make mistakes it makes you better at your craft. I would

also

> like to share with you all a supplier of soap & candlemaking I have

bought

> from them for 2yrs. and think there very reasonable..... www.glorybee.com

> Pamela

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

You can buy the gel for candles already made @ Craft Express? Great because

I make soap. I also want to make candles but I don't have the time to do

both.

Kim S.

Re: (no subject)

> I was making the gel at first thinking i was going to save a ton of money

> but i found out my time is worth more and it doesn't cost that much more

> for already made gel. I buy it from craftexpress.

> katherine

> On Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:54:44 EDT, wrote:

>

> > Know what you mean I have so many interests but not enough time! I have

> > wanted to do candles for a long time and these new gel ones interests

me.

> Do

> > you make the gel? I read other gals were having trouble with wicks,

it's

> so

> > nice to have a forum where you can read other peoples mistakes and

> pervent

> > them yourself. I sure wish I knew about this list 3yrs. ago! But

> sometimes

> > it's good to make mistakes it makes you better at your craft. I would

> also

> > like to share with you all a supplier of soap & candlemaking I have

> bought

> > from them for 2yrs. and think there very reasonable.....

www.glorybee.com

>

> > Pamela

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Okay I want to know who knew that I loved Bon Jovi even more now....God is he

gorgeous and sweet on the eyes....that takes my mind off the boys and our

problems...I have listened to him on media play now four times....thanks a

bunch...made me smile big time...

Celeste

Lake260@... wrote: a

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target= " _blank " ><img

src= " http://www2.fanscape.com/bonjovi/onlinecreations/banner.gif " ></a>

[Guest guest]

You're welcome :>)

mary

In a message dated 7/27/2002 8:03:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

alpha1mom2000@... writes:

> Okay I want to know who knew that I loved Bon Jovi even more now....God is

> he gorgeous and sweet on the eyes....that takes my mind off the boys and

> our problems...I have listened to him on media play now four

> times....thanks a bunch...made me smile big time...

> Celeste

>

[Guest guest]

iriz

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[Guest guest]

Also, I have an RN who unexpectedly got appointed to be director of our new

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fast as possible. Can she sign up?

Kendra W. McConahy, R.D.

> (no subject)

>

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[Guest guest]

(no subject)

Hi ,

Unfortunately, I have not had the opportunity to track PTH and vitamin D levels pre and post-op or bone densities. Both groups of surgeons I have worked with have had no other support person except me i.e. nurses, pas, etc. and we were doing high volumes. It has been hard enough to convince them to do baselines of vitamin D let alone PTH. The only way I have been able to get PTH done is just to add it myself which is unusual for a dietitian to do. :-) I heavily encourage pts to get DEXAs done before surgery, especially if they weight 300# or less, so we can have a baseline. Osteomalacia appears to show up in the hip or lumbar spine area from the few I have seen. The wrist would be a better measure than the foot from the literature I have reviewed.

I was trying to get a study done a couple years ago with Merck and an endocronologist on bone density after gastric bypass surgery, but it fell apart because we got transferred to LA. I am thinking of trying to start this project up again. I quit my job as surgical coordinator a couple of weeks ago so am back in private practice to work on other projects. It is too hard when you are working in a program without the support of the surgeons and having other staff to help. University settings are probably best equipped to gather this type of information.

Sorry I cannot help you on this one. I appreciate your answers to many of the questions. Are you a surgeon?

Sally Myers, RD, CPT

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 18/11/2005 21:32:35 GMT Standard Time, Mum231ASD@... writes:

I'm a nuclear medicine physician and I have an autistic boy 6 years old. I do chelation, HBOT and Brain SPECT scans. I have patients with ASD from all over the country (also from Europe).

>>Sorry I mean to say welcome to the group - very interested in the SPECT scans - I am sure we will want to pick your brains!

Great to have you here

Mandi in UK

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 18/11/2005 22:43:27 GMT Standard Time, Ladyshrink111@... writes:

Wow, Mandi! You are a nuclear medicine physician?

>>>I wish! No we have a new meber from Turkey just join us here. I pressed the go button befopre I wrote to welcome!

Mandi x

[Guest guest]

Lol, you certainly kept that one quiet!!

Vicky

xx