LM

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Hello,

I read about your visit to the doc today. What did he say about the

hair loss? How has that been lately? I am hoping that you recover

over time. Lots of time probably!

Ann

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Dear LM,

I can see you are re living the traumatic experience of the day at Dr. Huang's. this grieves me and my sympathy is with you. I'm not trying to get in on this but I will stand by you and defend your feelings. I love you. We've all suffured too much at the hands of drs. and people who don't believe in us. I'm not saying the other girls aren't beleaving in you or your interpretation of the facts. Alls I know is its unneccessary for you to have to relive this or justify yourself, that hurts my heart. love, Lynda <coss@...> wrote:

I don't think anyone dismissed the bad experience, just the way it carried on forever and seemed to negate others' positive experiences.LyndaAt 09:24 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote:>Lm, To sum up my response to your message, I never dismissed your bad >experience. Ever. To have one more negative experience , is the last thing >we need. ---- Original Message ----->From: Jane Doe> >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:41 AM>Subject: Re: Re: >>Hi :>I feel the need to respond and then I shall move forward.>I didn't want to offend you at all--or anyone for that matter, but I >traveled all over the US and as I stated have met many NICE PS's where I >entered

their offices a butchered woman but left with hope and >contentment--that was not the case in Denver and I'll be darned if I >apologise for that.> It does not please me to admit a bad experience because I share some > blame, ignoring the red flag I first noted. This was MY experience, I'm > not an idiot, I know what happened to me in Denver, and this was no "bad > day" on a doctor's part.But if some need to believe that to soothe > cognitive dissonance, so be it. A bad day might be indicative of a bad > mood, rushed demeanor or the like, not telling the medical details that > were told to me that were according to other PS's medically inaccurate > and just plain wrong i.e. my scars CAN'T be fixed, get implants and the > big blow off.>>I think those who dismiss one's experience to "emotion" sorely underscore >the germane content of the situation thereby creating a red

>herring--meant to detract from the issue at hand: my receiving appropriate >medical evaluation of my injury--THAT is the heart of this issue.If I >would have been treated rudely but given SOUND medical advise/evaluation >of my situation, I'd have no real beef. The lack of compassion, duplicity >of the implant stance and the gossiping about the member on SS was only >the ICING on the cake.The "cake" was my medical evaluation and no BAD DAY >should be used as an excuse for it's justification is fundamentally ludicrous.>>I take responsibilities for my actions and statements. I've had several >PS's back me up on this one so I very much resent being labeled as some >person who lacks the intelligence and objectivity that was painfully >obvious to me and other PSs I've had the pleasure to consult with.As for >my background, I too was a social worker, albeit not at the graduate >level(MSW) but

the lower level with my BA degree. I did not make it into >GWU law school on my inability to separate emotion from objective thinking >and frankly it's hurtful to be told that I can't tell when I'm receiving >shoddy unprofessional medical care--as though I'm that clueless .Blaming >the victim solves nothing.I would NEVER chastise someone if they had a bad >experience with my doctor, I'd be upset with my doctor. Good grief!>>As for what happened with Dr. Kolb, I was not here in the end of that. As >for , she never started rumors. As for fighting, we all had our >share, I was not innocent in my arguments with Dr. Kolb either and for >anything I said out of line to her on SS, I am sorry.>> is my friend, I will always stand with her as she has been a source >of support for me.I hope I can be that support for her if she so needs it. >She has a good heart and a good

woman.>>Thank you for reading this post .Have a good night.>Take care and happy health>LM>>>>JOSEPH PALANCA wrote:>I would hope that to be the case. And I didn't say only . But I >happened to be here for a long time and watch her, and others (you should >remember) argue every point ever made by Dr Kolb in her last months here. >And myself when it pertained to her. I don't care how it started. Really. >Or what she told you, I am going by what she has said, what has been >argued with me into the ground, what she has said to Dr Kolb herself, and >what I have read.. All the posts are all here.>> And it doesn't stop with Dr K. Now , and for a while its been Huang. So > now, Huang cant be spoken about. I mean look at the big picture here.>It's Nothing new.>I'm not "blaming" for anything, but merely responding to

her posts >written by her. God, please don't go there, with now she is the victim in >all this.>I think this would be a great rule and would stop all the fighting! Only a >patient with a bad experience with their PS, like yourself, has the right >to speak on about negative experinces. Not others. Support can be given, >but no bashing! To go on about it with your added opinion, like Haung is >on a breast implant site,( wrong, I agree) or no -Dr Kolb puts them in, >(they all do, hello!) is absurd. That way, no one would get hurt in this. >We could share good and bad, and be free to do so. With no arguments. Ill >tell you, if someone came forward with their bad story about Dr Kolb, I >would support her, and not say one word otherwise. How sad not to have a >good outcome. I don't care by what PS, it is sad, and she needs support. >Period. Who am I to say, my PS could never do a bad job? Shes only

human, >and can only do so much. Only that patient, went through that epxerience, >not me. Who am I to say?>But on the flip side, when it comes to Dr Feng- wait a minute, there was a >bad explant spoken about here about month ago- by one of her >patients, and recommending her on this site didn't come to a screeching >halt. And, it was so hard to hear, it was even argued with the patient >herself. That she handled it wrong, and needed to go back to Dr Feng to >ask her to fix it. Surely, Dr Feng didn't make a mistake! Heavens no! >Please-they all make mistakes. perhaps some patients will never look like >they want, and PS's arent perfect. I sure the hell am glad I didn't go >into the profession, let me tell you. > Re: My Experience > with Dr. Huang >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:33:45 -0000 > >Jade it is not > obsurd and you don't happen to understand that Patty >was threatened with > a lawsuit by one Dr if she ever mentioned her >name again, so you need to > be careful when saying something is absurd >that you don't know anything > about. We need to be careful because >these Dr's don't necesarily care > about us. This group is for support >and for the women who need it to > feel safe and not to feel they >cannot talk

about their implant and > explant experience good or bad. >However, when certain individuals > continue to start arguments and >continue to put a Dr over individuals > who have had bad experiences >with these Dr's then it is important that > it be taken off the group, >for the safety and sanctitiy of the group as > a whole. We are here to >support members, not necesarily Dr's. >Besides > no one told you that you could not talk about your Dr. >Please try to > understand having been here a short time that many many >things have gone > down on this site regarding this subject and Patty >has reasons for > asking people to keep this stuff of the site. > > > > > > > > > >In > , "jadebreaks" >wrote: > > > --- In , ~*Patty*~ > >wrote: > >

> The recommendations for the doctors that > have been > > > controversial on our group should be made privately > by > > > all members. > > > I believe I have pointed out who those were > in my > > > previous post. > > > Patty > > > > Is this a new rule? If so, > it's a very unfair rule. Who decides > > which doctors fall into the > "controversial" group? > > > > This is past the point of obsurd! > > > > > Jade > > > >

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Marie

thanks for the advice - Yep it was you I was referring to. You were referring to walking and exercising in an earlier post so I thought I would ask for your help. My issue is that once I do something I am a couch potato, too - I have a toddler to take care of so that makes things kind of hard. I have been just doing some serious stretching lately but not too much as I can't be stuck in bed w/ my little one running around! Actually he is almost out of being a toddler as he just turned 3 but he is still too little to be unsupervised.

thanks again for your advice!!!

love

shari

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LM

thanks - we are getting ready for it!! hope it slows down a little...

shari

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Shari:

Hi. You're welcome.

Nothing is wrong with taking a break being a couch potato after a workout AND taking care of a baby! Your hands must be full.

I'll be praying that you get through the hurricane OK!

Take Care.

-Mariehalvey70@... wrote:

Mariethanks for the advice - Yep it was you I was referring to. You were referring to walking and exercising in an earlier post so I thought I would ask for your help. My issue is that once I do something I am a couch potato, too - I have a toddler to take care of so that makes things kind of hard. I have been just doing some serious stretching lately but not too much as I can't be stuck in bed w/ my little one running around! Actually he is almost out of being a toddler as he just turned 3 but he is still too little to be unsupervised.thanks again for your advice!!!loveshari

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I didn't know that working out at night taxed the adrenals--thanks for letting us know. I work out around 7 PM this time of year. It's too hot to speed walk in the afternoon.

I sleep until noon so for me, 7 PM is like my afternoon. As the summer draws to an end, I'll mosify my schedule and hike earlier and sleep earlier too. With the FMS, sleep does not come easy. I usually drop off at about 4:30 AM.

JOSEPH PALANCA <juliejp61@...> wrote:

Shari, I used to get wiped out too, when I was severley hypo and had the implants. So, for me, at the time, I would workout at night, after Ty was asleep. or better, when he took his afternoon nap. I know they say working out at night isnt optimal, or too hard, and it may be burden on the adrenals. But it was the only time I could. The night workouts didn’t keep me up either. I would shower, and fall fast sleep. Try it, even if it is light. better than nothing. Thought I would put in a mommy tip. My little guy is 4. Love you, Re: LM

Shari:

Hi. You're welcome.

Nothing is wrong with taking a break being a couch potato after a workout AND taking care of a baby! Your hands must be full.

I'll be praying that you get through the hurricane OK!

Take Care.

-Mariehalvey70@... wrote:

Mariethanks for the advice - Yep it was you I was referring to. You were referring to walking and exercising in an earlier post so I thought I would ask for your help. My issue is that once I do something I am a couch potato, too - I have a toddler to take care of so that makes things kind of hard. I have been just doing some serious stretching lately but not too much as I can't be stuck in bed w/ my little one running around! Actually he is almost out of being a toddler as he just turned 3 but he is still too little to be unsupervised.thanks again for your advice!!!loveshari

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I am so glad you got the appt with doc Vasey - he is a wonderful Doctor! I figured he would be booked for a while - it took me 7 months to get in.

shari

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Thanks Shari!

It's taking me 6 months to get in!

I hope he can help me. Meanwhile, I'll be seen at GWU here in DC.

Hugs,

LMhalvey70@... wrote:

I am so glad you got the appt with doc Vasey - he is a wonderful Doctor! I figured he would be booked for a while - it took me 7 months to get in.shari

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HI CARRIE!

I'm still in pain, but slept a bit better.

Let's chat soon!

Hugs,

LMnaturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Hey girlie how are you feeling are you doing any better? I have not been on line much but I have sent you a few emails and never got any response from you, just wanting to make sure you got them.I am praying for you girlieHugs

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Yes girlie would love to chat. I will be home in the am tomorrow

don't work till 2:30 pm idaho Mountain Time. I am an hour ahead of CA

time, if you want to call me. 208-522-1137

hugs

, Jane Doe <oceanlilly_csu@y...> wrote:

> HI CARRIE!

> I'm still in pain, but slept a bit better.

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> Let's chat soon!

> Hugs,

> LM

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> Hey girlie how are you feeling are you doing any better? I have not

> been on line much but I have sent you a few emails and never got

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> I am praying for you girlie

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Will do!naturalbeauty38 <naturalbeauty38@...> wrote:

Yes girlie would love to chat. I will be home in the am tomorrow don't work till 2:30 pm idaho Mountain Time. I am an hour ahead of CA time, if you want to call me. 208-522-1137hugs , Jane Doe wrote:> HI CARRIE!> I'm still in pain, but slept a bit better.> > Let's chat soon!> Hugs,> LM> > naturalbeauty38 wrote:> Hey girlie how are you feeling are you doing any better? I have not > been on line much but I have sent you a few emails and never got any > response from you, just wanting to make sure you got them.> I am praying for you girlie> Hugs> > > > > >