Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 : Thank you for your kindness.I really do appreciate it. I want to make one thing very clear to everyone: I'm not against plastic surgeons who implant, that's right, I'M NOT! What I find objectionable are the LIES, TRICKERY and DECEIT that is employed in the salesmanship of selling the BA pitch. There are good doctors out there who state the truth of the health risks, disfigurement, discomfort of implants and for those who FULLY INFORM women of these risks--and I don't mean in small tiny print on some consent form about CC, and "possible" autoimmune illness relationship--but REAL DEAL photos of BA injury, rhematological data, dermatological data, rupture rate, the fact that cutting out CC over again can leave one with little to NO BREAST TISSUE and all other important facts regarding BA. If these ugly facts are revealed and the woman does not want a mastopexy in lieu of a BA(even if it has been told this is a safer and healthier alternative to deal with ptosis), has no ANA issue, if at this time a doctor agrees to give a BA to this INFORMED patient, I have no problem with this--to each their own. I'm pro choice providing the facts and gruesome pics of BAs gone wrong are clearly laid out for careful inspection and reflection and that patient knows she can come back for help in the event that the BA goes *sour.* These choices and facts were not given to me prior to my BA surgery and I feel cheated. I feel that the doctor's GREED and selfishness was the paramount issue and that my well being did not matter. I must also add that I did not research BA at all--I just jumped into it. I asked my PS about safety and he used salesmanship tactics telling me they are "perfectly safe" and he "wouldn't use anything that wasn't safe for me". Yeah, right! I recall that familiar refrain to this day. It's what I call the "tell 'em what they want to hear" BS. Which bring me back to the Huang experience. Had I been told something like "yes we do BA, but first you need to know the health risks, complications, the alternative treatment for ptosis(mastopexy), we need to know your health history and if you decide this is right for you, we'll do it" type of statement, I'd have no problem with this. Again, it's the misleading salesmanship that sicken me the line about IF breast implants are dangerous, Dr. Huang wouldn't NEVER use them. This is very misleading and just plain wrong--especially from an office who has had the opportunity to see, up close and personal the TRAGEDIES associated with implants.I don't care how one tries to defend this statement, but it's BS no matter how you slice it. About Feng, here I go again--she does implant, but RARELY(mostly mastectomized women) and only after a medical history is taken, and the facts are laid out including gruesome photos, and mastopexy is promoted as an alternative to ptosis(in applicable situations). I have no problem with this. Melmed lays out the facts too and from what I gather from my friend here on SS who knows Melmed well, he tries to discourage ALL BAs.I don't know if he offers up mastopexy for an alternative, but my guess is that he does though I'd have to ask. My PS will not implant on patients with autoimmune issues. I don't know to what extent or how far he goes to point out the risks, but I aim to find out upon my next consult with him and if I feel his warnings are inadequate, I will let him know. I have that kind of relationship with him.He's a nice guy. About advertising BA on s---- This to me is different than a doc advertising he/she does BA on the ASPRS type of website. To advertise BA on a medical association website and to go over risks during consult is one thing, HOWEVER, to advertise on a website that glamorizes, trivializes risks and embraces BA wholeheartedly with a disdainful disregard of any health risks/facts, in my opinion is tacky, lacks intelligence and furthermore a slap in the face to other patients who have suffered ill effects of BA. So there you have it, I'm pro-choice so long as the lies, trickery, deceit and salesmanship are left behind. I love you too. Thanks, that brightened my day! LM michelle king <michellerking1@...> wrote: Dear LM, I can see you are re living the traumatic experience of the day at Dr. Huang's. this grieves me and my sympathy is with you. I'm not trying to get in on this but I will stand by you and defend your feelings. I love you. We've all suffured too much at the hands of drs. and people who don't believe in us. I'm not saying the other girls aren't beleaving in you or your interpretation of the facts. Alls I know is its unneccessary for you to have to relive this or justify yourself, that hurts my heart. love, Lynda <coss@...> wrote: I don't think anyone dismissed the bad experience, just the way it carried on forever and seemed to negate others' positive experiences.LyndaAt 09:24 AM 6/17/2004, you wrote:>Lm, To sum up my response to your message, I never dismissed your bad >experience. Ever. To have one more negative experience , is the last thing >we need. ---- Original Message ----->From: Jane Doe> >Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 1:41 AM>Subject: Re: Re: >>Hi :>I feel the need to respond and then I shall move forward.>I didn't want to offend you at all--or anyone for that matter, but I >traveled all over the US and as I stated have met many NICE PS's where I >entered their offices a butchered woman but left with hope and >contentment--that was not the case in Denver and I'll be darned if I >apologise for that.> It does not please me to admit a bad experience because I share some > blame, ignoring the red flag I first noted. This was MY experience, I'm > not an idiot, I know what happened to me in Denver, and this was no "bad > day" on a doctor's part.But if some need to believe that to soothe > cognitive dissonance, so be it. A bad day might be indicative of a bad > mood, rushed demeanor or the like, not telling the medical details that > were told to me that were according to other PS's medically inaccurate > and just plain wrong i.e. my scars CAN'T be fixed, get implants and the > big blow off.>>I think those who dismiss one's experience to "emotion" sorely underscore >the germane content of the situation thereby creating a red >herring--meant to detract from the issue at hand: my receiving appropriate >medical evaluation of my injury--THAT is the heart of this issue.If I >would have been treated rudely but given SOUND medical advise/evaluation >of my situation, I'd have no real beef. The lack of compassion, duplicity >of the implant stance and the gossiping about the member on SS was only >the ICING on the cake.The "cake" was my medical evaluation and no BAD DAY >should be used as an excuse for it's justification is fundamentally ludicrous.>>I take responsibilities for my actions and statements. I've had several >PS's back me up on this one so I very much resent being labeled as some >person who lacks the intelligence and objectivity that was painfully >obvious to me and other PSs I've had the pleasure to consult with.As for >my background, I too was a social worker, albeit not at the graduate >level(MSW) but the lower level with my BA degree. I did not make it into >GWU law school on my inability to separate emotion from objective thinking >and frankly it's hurtful to be told that I can't tell when I'm receiving >shoddy unprofessional medical care--as though I'm that clueless .Blaming >the victim solves nothing.I would NEVER chastise someone if they had a bad >experience with my doctor, I'd be upset with my doctor. Good grief!>>As for what happened with Dr. Kolb, I was not here in the end of that. As >for , she never started rumors. As for fighting, we all had our >share, I was not innocent in my arguments with Dr. Kolb either and for >anything I said out of line to her on SS, I am sorry.>> is my friend, I will always stand with her as she has been a source >of support for me.I hope I can be that support for her if she so needs it. >She has a good heart and a good woman.>>Thank you for reading this post .Have a good night.>Take care and happy health>LM>>>>JOSEPH PALANCA wrote:>I would hope that to be the case. And I didn't say only . But I >happened to be here for a long time and watch her, and others (you should >remember) argue every point ever made by Dr Kolb in her last months here. >And myself when it pertained to her. I don't care how it started. Really. >Or what she told you, I am going by what she has said, what has been >argued with me into the ground, what she has said to Dr Kolb herself, and >what I have read.. All the posts are all here.>> And it doesn't stop with Dr K. Now , and for a while its been Huang. So > now, Huang cant be spoken about. I mean look at the big picture here.>It's Nothing new.>I'm not "blaming" for anything, but merely responding to her posts >written by her. God, please don't go there, with now she is the victim in >all this.>I think this would be a great rule and would stop all the fighting! Only a >patient with a bad experience with their PS, like yourself, has the right >to speak on about negative experinces. Not others. Support can be given, >but no bashing! To go on about it with your added opinion, like Haung is >on a breast implant site,( wrong, I agree) or no -Dr Kolb puts them in, >(they all do, hello!) is absurd. That way, no one would get hurt in this. >We could share good and bad, and be free to do so. With no arguments. Ill >tell you, if someone came forward with their bad story about Dr Kolb, I >would support her, and not say one word otherwise. How sad not to have a >good outcome. I don't care by what PS, it is sad, and she needs support. >Period. Who am I to say, my PS could never do a bad job? Shes only human, >and can only do so much. Only that patient, went through that epxerience, >not me. Who am I to say?>But on the flip side, when it comes to Dr Feng- wait a minute, there was a >bad explant spoken about here about month ago- by one of her >patients, and recommending her on this site didn't come to a screeching >halt. And, it was so hard to hear, it was even argued with the patient >herself. That she handled it wrong, and needed to go back to Dr Feng to >ask her to fix it. Surely, Dr Feng didn't make a mistake! Heavens no! >Please-they all make mistakes. perhaps some patients will never look like >they want, and PS's arent perfect. I sure the hell am glad I didn't go >into the profession, let me tell you. > Re: My Experience > with Dr. Huang >Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2004 21:33:45 -0000 > >Jade it is not > obsurd and you don't happen to understand that Patty >was threatened with > a lawsuit by one Dr if she ever mentioned her >name again, so you need to > be careful when saying something is absurd >that you don't know anything > about. We need to be careful because >these Dr's don't necesarily care > about us. This group is for support >and for the women who need it to > feel safe and not to feel they >cannot talk about their implant and > explant experience good or bad. >However, when certain individuals > continue to start arguments and >continue to put a Dr over individuals > who have had bad experiences >with these Dr's then it is important that > it be taken off the group, >for the safety and sanctitiy of the group as > a whole. We are here to >support members, not necesarily Dr's. >Besides > no one told you that you could not talk about your Dr. >Please try to > understand having been here a short time that many many >things have gone > down on this site regarding this subject and Patty >has reasons for > asking people to keep this stuff of the site. > > > > > > > > > >In > , "jadebreaks" >wrote: > > > --- In , ~*Patty*~ > >wrote: > > > The recommendations for the doctors that > have been > > > controversial on our group should be made privately > by > > > all members. > > > I believe I have pointed out who those were > in my > > > previous post. > > > Patty > > > > Is this a new rule? If so, > it's a very unfair rule. Who decides > > which doctors fall into the > "controversial" group? > > > > This is past the point of obsurd! > > > > > Jade > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Jade, Thank you for sharing that information about Dr. Melmed. The more educated we are, the more empowered we are as patients AND consumers.That has been the premise for my discussion on the Huang issue and for the cathartic aspect too. LMjadebreaks <jadebreaks@...> wrote: > I want to make one thing very clear to everyone: I'm not againstplastic surgeons who implant, that's right, I'M NOT! What I findobjectionable are the LIES, TRICKERY and DECEIT that is employed inthe salesmanship of selling the BA pitch.I agree! It's not wrong for a doctor to implant if a woman is fullyaware of the ALL risks and the fact that she will be faced with moresurgery. If it's important enough for her to still want implants andface the risks and expense, then it's not up to us to judge her or herphysician. > Melmed lays out the facts too and from what I gather from my friendhere on SS who knows Melmed well, he tries to discourage ALL BAs.Idon't know if he offers up mastopexy for an alternative, but my guessis that he does though I'd have to ask.Yes, he tries to discourage BAs and offer other options but he will dothem on a limited basis. He is very understanding of people who havebody image issues.Jade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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