Re: Patti - Recommending Doctors

[Guest guest]

Jade why don't you let it go. Please for gods sake let it go already,

Patty is upset enough, you don't know anything about all the trials

she has been through and how damned hard it is to run a site like

this. If your so unhappy here, maybe this is not the site for you, if

you cannot let this go, it shows that your not really here to help

anyone anyhow. WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS, they are just that,

opinions. I base my opinions on my experience, and secondly on the

information I have and the numbers of happy patients and photos that

I have viewed. Based on these facts, I have to say that in my opinion

I feel Dr Feng is one of the best, to me the best because she is the

one I went to. She may not be the best to you, because you did not go

to her, and for you your Dr is the best, that is fine, we all have a

right to our own opinions. Please ladies can't we just agree to

disagree, or do we have to keep this arguing going on.It is not

helping anything or anyone. I for one would like some peace on this

group.

your not helping my continueing to argue. It serves no purpose.

Attack me if you want, orwhat I have said, I don't care. I only speak

my heart.

In , " jadebreaks " <jadebreaks@u...>

wrote:

> If you feel a need to make rules regarding recommendations of

plastic

> surgeons, I would like to suggest that statements such as these not

> be allowed:

>

> Dr. _______ is the BEST at _______.

>

> Who conducted the study to determine that any one doctor is BEST at

> anything? There is no such study and it's not possible to

determine

> which doctor is BEST.

>

> Dr. _______ is the most technologically advanced doctor around.

>

> Again, whose study?

>

> Dr. ______ is the ONLY doctor who performs the (insert procedure).

>

> How can this be determined?

>

> These kinds of statements are purely emotional, they are not

factual

> and they are misleading. IMO it would better serve the women who

> need help if we kept statements about doctors as factual as

> possible. Saying that you like your doctor and felt you were in

> excellent hands is fine but making claims that can not be proven

is,

> IMO deceptive.

>

> Jade

[Guest guest]

> Jade why don't you let it go.

I thought I had let it go until you decided to open it up again! My

last post was a reasonable suggestion that might ensure peace on this

list and for an even better way to help women in need by giving them

facts.

> WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS,

Of course! It's when you give your opinion in the guise of a fact

that deception, intentional or accidental, occurs. IMO giving

opinions that sound like facts is reckless especially when women who

are scared, stressed and feeling desperate might make a vital decision

based on an opinion that is disguised as a fact.

> I have to say that in my opinion

> I feel Dr Feng is one of the best, to me the best because she is the

> one I went to.

PERFECT! That statement is very clearly based on your feelings and

not scientific fact or studies. " Dr. Feng is the best doctor for... "

Is an opinion disguised as fact. There is a HUGE difference.

> She may not be the best to you, because you did not go

> to her, and for you your Dr is the best, that is fine, we all have a

> right to our own opinions.

See, I can't say that my doctor is the best because I don't know of

any study that supports that claim. I CAN say that I like him very

much and he did a good job for me. I CAN say that many of the nurses

at the hospital use him for their surgery and that seems to be

positive. I CAN say that he has done ### explant surgeries. BUT I

can't say he is the BEST because I have no basis for comparison and

nothing with which to back up that claim.

The bottom line for me is not that every woman go to the same doctor I

went to. Rather, it's trying to ease the way for women to find a

doctor that makes this surgery doable. If you go back through my

posts, you will find where I told a woman about Dr. Melvin who is in

Washington near where she is. I did not recommend him but I directed

her to a place where she could find more information about her. If I

had led her to believe that they ONLY place she could find a competent

surgeon is in Dallas, the travel expense and inconvenience involved

might have prohibited her in getting the surgery. It's more important

to me that women get help from one of the MANY qualified surgeons than

that they go to " MY DOCTOR " .

One reason I feel strongly about this is because, when I first decided

that I needed explant surgery, I was getting sick, I didn't have a

job, I had no money, I had no insurance and my husband had just left

me on a broken down farm way out in the country with a special needs

child and no one to help. Every where I turned, people were telling

me that the ONLY doctor who could get all the silicone out and leave

me with a pleasing result was VERY FAR from where I live. I just felt

the situation was completely hopeless! Finally, I found a skilled,

experienced doctor that was actually near me! If I hadn't found a

doctor near my I certainly wouldn't have been able to have explant

surgery for a very long time.

, I know that you speak from your heart I just don't think you

should be so aggresive with your OWN agenda.

Jade

[Guest guest]

I agree, its hard to drop when it keeps coming up again with lengthy posts. ! I have heard many sad things and bad experiences with all the ps's (LM was the first time though I heard anything of Huang, not to say I don't believe her) and great outcomes, more so-as well. Yes, Even Dr Feng. I went to her for consult, and also had a negative experience in which I chose not to go to her based on several issues. Glad I didn’t. But Im not going to go on about why I feel Dr Kolb "is the best." She was in my situation, and I couldn’t be happier. Isnt this why we have this group, to have access to all the recommended doctors that we can choose from to suit and tailor to our individual needs? They are all good, and not perfect. Ever. No doctor is above the other. Who says? How can that statement ever be. Its based on one experience. Please.

I think that we are lucky to have such a grand group of Ps's here that in most situation do a great job. Period.

Re: Patti - Recommending Doctors

> Jade why don't you let it go. I thought I had let it go until you decided to open it up again! Mylast post was a reasonable suggestion that might ensure peace on thislist and for an even better way to help women in need by giving themfacts. > WE ALL HAVE OUR OPINIONS, Of course! It's when you give your opinion in the guise of a factthat deception, intentional or accidental, occurs. IMO givingopinions that sound like facts is reckless especially when women whoare scared, stressed and feeling desperate might make a vital decisionbased on an opinion that is disguised as a fact.> I have to say that in my opinion > I feel Dr Feng is one of the best, to me the best because she is the > one I went to. PERFECT! That statement is very clearly based on your feelings andnot scientific fact or studies. "Dr. Feng is the best doctor for..." Is an opinion disguised as fact. There is a HUGE difference.> She may not be the best to you, because you did not go > to her, and for you your Dr is the best, that is fine, we all have a > right to our own opinions. See, I can't say that my doctor is the best because I don't know ofany study that supports that claim. I CAN say that I like him verymuch and he did a good job for me. I CAN say that many of the nursesat the hospital use him for their surgery and that seems to bepositive. I CAN say that he has done ### explant surgeries. BUT Ican't say he is the BEST because I have no basis for comparison andnothing with which to back up that claim. The bottom line for me is not that every woman go to the same doctor Iwent to. Rather, it's trying to ease the way for women to find adoctor that makes this surgery doable. If you go back through myposts, you will find where I told a woman about Dr. Melvin who is inWashington near where she is. I did not recommend him but I directedher to a place where she could find more information about her. If Ihad led her to believe that they ONLY place she could find a competentsurgeon is in Dallas, the travel expense and inconvenience involvedmight have prohibited her in getting the surgery. It's more importantto me that women get help from one of the MANY qualified surgeons thanthat they go to "MY DOCTOR".One reason I feel strongly about this is because, when I first decidedthat I needed explant surgery, I was getting sick, I didn't have ajob, I had no money, I had no insurance and my husband had just leftme on a broken down farm way out in the country with a special needschild and no one to help. Every where I turned, people were tellingme that the ONLY doctor who could get all the silicone out and leaveme with a pleasing result was VERY FAR from where I live. I just feltthe situation was completely hopeless! Finally, I found a skilled,experienced doctor that was actually near me! If I hadn't found adoctor near my I certainly wouldn't have been able to have explantsurgery for a very long time., I know that you speak from your heart I just don't think youshould be so aggresive with your OWN agenda.Jade