Re: Re: hot and cold packs (fibromyalgia)

[Guest guest]

> Are you using either pulsed or static magnets for the pain of

fibromyalgia??

> I've read about 76%-82% statistical relief rate (with sometimes optimal

> results) using magnet therapy alone...

I don't do magnet therapy. I figure if a person wants to

use magnets, they can use it on themselves and they

don't need me.

I have looked into them from time to time, and even

bought a magnet bed, but the results are not predictable

as far as I can see. I need to do things that I know

work on my patients and leave the experimentation

up to them.

I question those results simply because they are so high.

[Guest guest]

I too, suffer with a form of fibromyalgia, along with CFIDS. I sleep on a

magnetic mattress pad I got from Dr. Whitaker. It has done nothing to help

my pain. I thought the magnets would help me, but so far, they haven't.

Maybe his pad isn't strong enough, I just don't know.

KAT

Angelkat

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Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: hot and cold packs (fibromyalgia)

Hi ;

Are you using either pulsed or static magnets for the pain of fibromyalgia??

I've read about 76%-82% statistical relief rate (with sometimes optimal

results) using magnet therapy alone...

ciao

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Kat,

Keep using the magnetic pad. It is doing other good things even if it

doesn't affect the symptoms you are focusing on. My mom & I swapp it

back & forth every 2 weeks for a rest. I think the body needs a rest

from it occasionally. It feels that way to me, that's all.

jim

Angelkat wrote:

>

> I too, suffer with a form of fibromyalgia, along with CFIDS. I sleep on a

> magnetic mattress pad I got from Dr. Whitaker. It has done nothing to help

> my pain. I thought the magnets would help me, but so far, they haven't.

> Maybe his pad isn't strong enough, I just don't know.

> KAT

>

> Angelkat

> " What you do speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you are saying..... "

[Guest guest]

Dear Duncan,

Yes, a permanent magnet (cost $20) will stop a muscle from

spasming. However, it is a temporary relief (although welcome).

We have had better longterm success with FM using the ozone sauna

three - four times per week for 3 - 4 months. Then it is permanent.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

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Re: hot and cold packs (fibromyalgia)

> Hi ;

>

> Are you using either pulsed or static magnets for the pain of

fibromyalgia??

> I've read about 76%-82% statistical relief rate (with sometimes optimal

> results) using magnet therapy alone...

>

> ciao

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Jim and Kat;

I gave some though to that statement about perhaps the magnetic pad was not

strong enough to kill pain.. Jim's absolutely correct, it will help in other

areas, but normally a magnetic pad is used for wellness and you likely Do

need a couple of stronger magnets or fairly strong magnetic wraps closer to

the a) pain source referred pain or c) the acupuncture point associated

with the pain.

Sometimes you must move the treatment around a bit to find which combination

of points works best. And many times it takes a few weeks to take effect.

With Very Few people near-immediate relief is obtained.

You can build your own magnetic wraps using decent magnets a lot cheaper

than using some commercial ones that have minimal power/effect.

www.wondermagnet.com sells neodymium magnets. They're boss when used close

to the skin and 10x more powerful than the larger ceramic ones commonly

found in wraps. The 3/8 inch NIB (Neodymium Iron Boron) disk size 1/16 "

thick is strong enough for wraps.

Everyone: the next bit has nothing to do with pain; it's more for effective

wellness pursuits...:

In the mattress you would need large ceramic magnets, which penetrate a

farther distance at lower (the correct) gauss rating. Some mattresses have

very minimal effect. the magnet size should be close 2 " x3 " x 1 " thick if

possible. Again, if you buy 4 " x6 " ceramic magnets 1 " thick and place them

4 " apart under your top mattress with the north pole up, it's a lot cheaper

and more effective than most brands of commercial magnetic mattress pads.

And they're portable...you can remove them for local treatment of large

areas.

Last thing - don't let them snow you about concentric circle, triangle or

other proprietary designs. The designs do work but are of very low gauss

rating. The manufacturers gauss rating is about 3 TIMES the measured gauss

rating. You need 700-950 gauss (at point of treatment, not at the magnet's

surface). And the magnet strength falls off with the inverse of the square

root of the distance from point of treatment. The mattress that was tested

and scientifically proven was the only one proven because it was the only

one supplied to the testers. Alternating poles do work, and so do unipolar

mattresses. There's weath of material on the web and in the library...

on the web look up the British Institute of Magnet Therapy.

ciao

[Guest guest]

> for optimal results...I believe in hitting problems with multiple energy

and

> nutritional therapies and I was curious as to whether professionals often

> use a similar approach.

>

> ciao

I do personally, but I don't use magnets or

anything out of the ordinary.