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[Guest guest]

Cliff, What are the warnings against the use of fo/cc for cancer. I am not

aware of them. Is this somethint that is a waste of time and money?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

A lot of doctors will warn that Flaxseed Oil will cause Prostate Cancer to

grow several times faster than normal.

This is the result of the statements by an outstanding standard treatement

Prostate Cancer Oncologist. His views are pushed on another list to which I

belong and anytime I post they are put forth.

I have seen no evidence of that and those reports certainly lack validity in

studies as far as I am concerned.

Those views are very important because if they are true I have been dead for

a fair number of years and if they are not true a lot of men may die for

fear of using this material because of those warnings.

Cliff

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Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 9:56 AM

Subject: Re: latest update

> Cliff, What are the warnings against the use of fo/cc for cancer. I am

not

> aware of them. Is this somethint that is a waste of time and money?

> Thanks

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Cliff,

What is a Lupron shot and PCA? ALso what is FO/CC approach? Have you had

surgery or a byopsy at any time during the course of your illness? I have

aggressive breast cancer stage 3-B. THey want to do kemo, radiation than surgery

to remove all the limp nodes and the right breast. I am so very confused and

scared, Hope to hear from you. GOd bless. Sincerely, B.

Cliff Beckwith wrote:HI,

To those interested I will put in the latest info on my situation.

A PSA done on September 3 showed an increase of 1.7 to 14.4.

I am continuing with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day with 3000 mgs of Beta

Glucan and 9000 mgs plus or minus of beet vitamin C. After the last PSA I

started a two months supply of Artemisinin. That is about a third through.

I am now adding Ellagic acid to see what effect it may have.

I am now 80 years and 8 months along after being dxd with Advanced PCa with

a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes in January of 1991, or eleven

years and 8 months ago.

The Gleason was not done then but evidence indicates around a 7-8 at that

time. The Oncologist feels that it is likely more aggressive than that by

this time but it isn't worth a biopsy to find out. It wouldn't change

anything that we are doing.

Dr. Borman indicated to me a couple of years ago that it is important to get

plenty of rest with this kind of approach. I haven't done that. I have

stayed with the bee business and have again this summer attempted to keep it

going and the stress of trying to do too much may have taken its toll on the

immune system, which seems to be important in fighting cancer. The bee

business is being terminated as soon as possible. I may be stubborn, but I

am not completely stupid.

A statement from a prominent member of the advanced list a couple of years

ago stays with me. " I am fighting a battle I know I cannot win. "

I don't feel that way. If my count gets to around 20, and it has been there

a number of times before, I would perhaps do another monthly Lupron shot.

It may not come to that.

There is no evidence of metastasis and one does not die of cancer in the

Prostate but in an area to which it spreads. The Alternatives seem to be

controlling that.

I am extremely well aware of the warnings on this list concerning the use of

Flaxseed Oil but have seen no evidence of that personally and there have

been no studies of men using the FO/CC approach to confirm them.

I continue to get reports [some hate " unscientific stories " but with no

attempt to do scientific studies that is all there is] of success. Four

days ago in a phone conversation with a contact in Montana he casually

mentioned that his grandfather had PCa but had cleared it with FO/CC in

three months. That was some time ago and had other health problems and had

since passed on.

With 30 or more strains of PCa, most of which are not aggressive, the less

aggressive ones are more easily controlled. I understand by now that the

intermittent program espoused by Dr. Lieberman has not been as effective

with more aggressive cancers.

I am urging no one to do what I have been doing. I only present things as I

know them and have experienced them. They are anecdotal. Do with them what

you will. We hope to learn more before going on. Of course, eventually

that is a hundred percent probability for us all.

I am still alive and in no immediate danger. The Oncologist believes that I

may have trouble living beyond a hundred. Beyond the weaknesses of being 80

and low on Testosterone I feel quite normal.

Cliff

[Guest guest]

Cliff..I guess that the doctor you are refering to

is Dr. Myers, a PC patient himself. I have asked him several times if

he has investigated

the use of flax oil W/LOW FAT COTTAGE CHEESE and he never

responded...probably

because he doesn't know...after all how many

doctors will admit they don't know something?.

His opinion is based on test results from 6

studies...5 of which linked flax oil with PC...

but none of the studies included the cottage

cheese. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Hi Cliff :

Do you have a personal e-mail address ? I would like to talk to you about

the bees.

I am an old beekeeper myself, in my 80th year. After 02 I have decided I

would hang up my hive tool and put out my smoker. When I first started

commercial beekeeping in 1948 I used to hear that beekeepers didn't get

cancer. My brother who kept bees too, came up with PC about 8 years ago. He

took radiation, and about 5 years later his PSA began to rise again. So now

he is on some hormone, and doing well. ( so far )

So far my PSA and digital, is holding well - 1.7 last September. I will get

my yearly check in about 3 weeks.

Lunch is ready so I have to go. But give me a call on your private e-mail if

you have one. There is no problam talking to all the group but I see they

shorten messages, if they are too long.

Best Wishes

eboswell@...

From: " Cliff Beckwith " <spinner@...>

" cures for cancer " <cures for cancer >

Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 6:51 AM

Subject: latest update

> HI,

>

> To those interested I will put in the latest info on my situation.

>

> A PSA done on September 3 showed an increase of 1.7 to 14.4.

>

> I am continuing with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day with 3000 mgs of Beta

> Glucan and 9000 mgs plus or minus of beet vitamin C. After the last PSA I

> started a two months supply of Artemisinin. That is about a third

through.

> I am now adding Ellagic acid to see what effect it may have.

>

> I am now 80 years and 8 months along after being dxd with Advanced PCa

with

> a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes in January of 1991, or

eleven

> years and 8 months ago.

>

> The Gleason was not done then but evidence indicates around a 7-8 at that

> time. The Oncologist feels that it is likely more aggressive than that by

> this time but it isn't worth a biopsy to find out. It wouldn't change

> anything that we are doing.

>

> Dr. Borman indicated to me a couple of years ago that it is important to

get

> plenty of rest with this kind of approach. I haven't done that. I have

> stayed with the bee business and have again this summer attempted to keep

it

> going and the stress of trying to do too much may have taken its toll on

the

> immune system, which seems to be important in fighting cancer. The bee

> business is being terminated as soon as possible. I may be stubborn, but

I

> am not completely stupid.

>

> A statement from a prominent member of the advanced list a couple of years

> ago stays with me. " I am fighting a battle I know I cannot win. "

> I don't feel that way. If my count gets to around 20, and it has been

there

> a number of times before, I would perhaps do another monthly Lupron shot.

> It may not come to that.

>

> There is no evidence of metastasis and one does not die of cancer in the

> Prostate but in an area to which it spreads. The Alternatives seem to be

> controlling that.

>

> I am extremely well aware of the warnings on this list concerning the use

of

> Flaxseed Oil but have seen no evidence of that personally and there have

> been no studies of men using the FO/CC approach to confirm them.

>

> I continue to get reports [some hate " unscientific stories " but with no

> attempt to do scientific studies that is all there is] of success. Four

> days ago in a phone conversation with a contact in Montana he casually

> mentioned that his grandfather had PCa but had cleared it with FO/CC in

> three months. That was some time ago and had other health problems and

had

> since passed on.

>

> With 30 or more strains of PCa, most of which are not aggressive, the less

> aggressive ones are more easily controlled. I understand by now that the

> intermittent program espoused by Dr. Lieberman has not been as effective

> with more aggressive cancers.

>

> I am urging no one to do what I have been doing. I only present things as

I

> know them and have experienced them. They are anecdotal. Do with them

what

> you will. We hope to learn more before going on. Of course, eventually

> that is a hundred percent probability for us all.

>

> I am still alive and in no immediate danger. The Oncologist believes that

I

> may have trouble living beyond a hundred. Beyond the weaknesses of being

80

> and low on Testosterone I feel quite normal.

>

> Cliff

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

thank you for your email...i am interested in supernatural and natural means

in dealing with cancer and other diseases...such as aloe vera and white

willow bark plus others..i am intersrted about the bees...please keep me

posted ...jerry

latest update

>

>

> > HI,

> >

> > To those interested I will put in the latest info on my situation.

> >

> > A PSA done on September 3 showed an increase of 1.7 to 14.4.

> >

> > I am continuing with 4 tablespoons of FO/CC per day with 3000 mgs of

Beta

> > Glucan and 9000 mgs plus or minus of beet vitamin C. After the last PSA

I

> > started a two months supply of Artemisinin. That is about a third

> through.

> > I am now adding Ellagic acid to see what effect it may have.

> >

> > I am now 80 years and 8 months along after being dxd with Advanced PCa

> with

> > a PSA of 75 and metastasis to the lymph nodes in January of 1991, or

> eleven

> > years and 8 months ago.

> >

> > The Gleason was not done then but evidence indicates around a 7-8 at

that

> > time. The Oncologist feels that it is likely more aggressive than that

by

> > this time but it isn't worth a biopsy to find out. It wouldn't change

> > anything that we are doing.

> >

> > Dr. Borman indicated to me a couple of years ago that it is important to

> get

> > plenty of rest with this kind of approach. I haven't done that. I have

> > stayed with the bee business and have again this summer attempted to

keep

> it

> > going and the stress of trying to do too much may have taken its toll on

> the

> > immune system, which seems to be important in fighting cancer. The bee

> > business is being terminated as soon as possible. I may be stubborn,

but

> I

> > am not completely stupid.

> >

> > A statement from a prominent member of the advanced list a couple of

years

> > ago stays with me. " I am fighting a battle I know I cannot win. "

> > I don't feel that way. If my count gets to around 20, and it has been

> there

> > a number of times before, I would perhaps do another monthly Lupron

shot.

> > It may not come to that.

> >

> > There is no evidence of metastasis and one does not die of cancer in the

> > Prostate but in an area to which it spreads. The Alternatives seem to

be

> > controlling that.

> >

> > I am extremely well aware of the warnings on this list concerning the

use

> of

> > Flaxseed Oil but have seen no evidence of that personally and there have

> > been no studies of men using the FO/CC approach to confirm them.

> >

> > I continue to get reports [some hate " unscientific stories " but with no

> > attempt to do scientific studies that is all there is] of success. Four

> > days ago in a phone conversation with a contact in Montana he casually

> > mentioned that his grandfather had PCa but had cleared it with FO/CC in

> > three months. That was some time ago and had other health problems and

> had

> > since passed on.

> >

> > With 30 or more strains of PCa, most of which are not aggressive, the

less

> > aggressive ones are more easily controlled. I understand by now that

the

> > intermittent program espoused by Dr. Lieberman has not been as effective

> > with more aggressive cancers.

> >

> > I am urging no one to do what I have been doing. I only present things

as

> I

> > know them and have experienced them. They are anecdotal. Do with them

> what

> > you will. We hope to learn more before going on. Of course, eventually

> > that is a hundred percent probability for us all.

> >

> > I am still alive and in no immediate danger. The Oncologist believes

that

> I

> > may have trouble living beyond a hundred. Beyond the weaknesses of

being

> 80

> > and low on Testosterone I feel quite normal.

> >

> > Cliff

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links

there.

> Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by

> visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Can I interject that I asked my oncologist about using flaxseed oil and cc along

with Iressa and he said he didn't know if it would have any affect on the Iressa

but that since it was a natural food form, to go ahead and use it. I found

myself lactose intolerant and had to give it up for awhile and chest pains

ensued. I then found and tried lactaid cottage cheese and since taking it, no

more chest pains. Imagination??? Maybe. But if it works, who cares? Besides

it's delicious when mixed with fresh peaches and a bit of sugar free, chemical

free jam. Bev.

Re: latest update

Cliff..I guess that the doctor you are refering to

is Dr. Myers, a PC patient himself. I have asked him several times if

he has investigated

the use of flax oil W/LOW FAT COTTAGE CHEESE and he never

responded...probably

because he doesn't know...after all how many

doctors will admit they don't know something?.

His opinion is based on test results from 6

studies...5 of which linked flax oil with PC...

but none of the studies included the cottage

cheese. Best, JR

[Guest guest]

Hi all:

My ND gave me the homeopathic Pleo Mueck shots on both sides of my neck in

the thyroid last Monday, Dec. 9th. I have noticed lowering of my heart rate

to around 90 to 100 beats per minute instead of the normal 120-130 beats per

minute. I am not as jumpy, irritable, and feel greatly calmed down.

Hopefully my labs that I will go in for next Monday, Dec. 23rd will show

that my levels are dropping.

[Guest guest]

Dear hurts4real

My husband had many contributing factors

to his cardiomyopathy including Sleep Apnea. He has been on Bi-Pap for almost 4

years now- Got his ICD 4/04 so he already had his machine x 2 yrs. He had his arrhythmia

quite suddenly while we were in New York (live in Indy, IN) he had SVT –286bmp when

paramedics arrived & was dx’d w/ SCD in the work-up. & had the

ICD implanted. His other contributing factors were poorly controlled

hypertension (would love to sue his PCP) , alcohol (a case a week of beer),

WPW, an undetected virus never dx’d , & morbid obesity.

When he had his sleep study he stopped

almost every few seconds—40-50x a minute! & his SATS (oxygen

measurement) dropped to 80-85% oxygen—not good. & he was an OTR

truck driver at the time he was dx’d!! The doc said since he was dx it

probably helped some compensation & therefore it extended the time before

we finally came to the need for the ICD.

There may be several contributing factors

to his arrhythmia. & unfortunately it can take awhile to get meds & ICD

adjusted right. Is his just an ICD or will it pace as well? Ed’s AICD paces

usually at night when his HR drops to 40’s—about 15% of the time.

They don’t know why he drops that low only sometimes & not always.

But so far no more kicks since his storm after implantation in the hospital. He

has a Guidant-not on the recall list---yet. They reset his settings down

to start pacing instead of being hit , & raised the HR limits before it

would kick to slow the rate. I think he is 40 for lowest & 170’s

for highest but he paces at less than 60.

Our issue was that the EP doc could care

less about the cardiac issues & questions we had, (especially meds) his

usual cardio doc didn’t want him either since he was “heart failure”

now. So luckily the practice has a heart failure clinic with an excellent SW

& we now have an excellent cardiologist who has helped us work through the

fears & issues both together & separately. They also have started a

support group that meets quarterly. All the docs & nurses as well as SW

attends the group meeting. It has been hard at times for me because I am

a nurse practitioner & although cardio isn’t my specialty (hepatology

is ) it is/was hard to separate the personal feelings from the professional

feelings, & treat Ed as spouse & not a patient—as a pt I can turn

off or hide my attachment to him---does that make sense??---But I digress.

Things will get better—remember it

does save his life & we just have to hang onto that thought everyday.

Janet

Janet's

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Latest update

Thanks to everyone who has responded to my message. We are

dealing day

by day with the help of therapy and each

other. WE just received a new

possible contributor to my husbands early morning arrhythmias.

He has

been diagnosed with sever sleep apnea.

During a sleep study, he

actually stopped breathing a few times. The

DR. thinks this could be

putting strain on his heart (makes sense to

us). The cardiologist and

the EP, both rolled their eyes and said no

way. Does anyone else have

sleep apnea out there that may contribute to their

heart condition. We

are so desperate to find a cause (which we may

never know), but every

shock storm and pass out episode has always occurred

upon wakening in

the morning. Needless to say, the AM in our

house is very stressful.

Our 10 year old has also witnessed every episode

because she has been

with him for each one. How scary for her when

the alarm goes off.

None of us wants to get up for fear something will

happen. The

positive is we all agree. . . if not the ICD, he

would not be here with

us. BUT still VERY scary. Look forward

to hearing from you soon.

Thanks for the support!

[Guest guest]

I think if Jimmy had known the surgery would have entailed all of this, he would

have kept his blockages and taken his chances. Still no word on when he will be

discharged. They are about to transfuse him again and they are having a hard

time controlling his anemia and arrhythmia. Until that is resolved, I don't

suppose he will be coming home. He says he can't sleep because someone is

always there fussing over him to get up and walk, physical therapy and

inhalation therapy. As the bags of heparin are emptied, the machines start

beeping and it takes them about 10 or 15 min. for someone to come and change the

bags. He's calling for me, so duty calls and I will go. Just between us, I'm

tired of the hospital and the food, too. LOL.

Blessings and watch your diet and quit smoking so you won't have to endure this

type of treatment and surgery,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

Dear Lotti,

I understand how you feel about the hospital. For three months with a 12

year old and a 6 year old I drove 50 miles a day(after dropping them off at

school) to be with my first husband while he was in the hospital. I was so

tired of the food, the smell, the stupidity of some of the nurses. I felt I

had to be there to watch over him and be sure they gave him the right

medications. I know he wanted me there. It was very rough. But I am so glad

that I did it.

Hang in there and God gives you strength.

My mom always told me " god only gives you as much as he knows you can

handle " But sometimes I think that God has me mixed up with someone

else.?????

Love to Jimmy and be tough.

Aloha

Sharon

_____

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Lottie

Duthu

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 9:14 AM

CML

Subject: [ ] Latest update

I think if Jimmy had known the surgery would have entailed all of this, he

would have kept his blockages and taken his chances. Still no word on when

he will be discharged. They are about to transfuse him again and they are

having a hard time controlling his anemia and arrhythmia. Until that is

resolved, I don't suppose he will be coming home. He says he can't sleep

because someone is always there fussing over him to get up and walk,

physical therapy and inhalation therapy. As the bags of heparin are emptied,

the machines start beeping and it takes them about 10 or 15 min. for someone

to come and change the bags. He's calling for me, so duty calls and I will

go. Just between us, I'm tired of the hospital and the food, too. LOL.

Blessings and watch your diet and quit smoking so you won't have to endure

this type of treatment and surgery,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

Lottie, both you and your husband are in my prayers every night. God Bless. Eva

From: Lottie Duthu

Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2008 12:13 PM

CML

Subject: [ ] Latest update

I think if Jimmy had known the surgery would have entailed all of this, he would

have kept his blockages and taken his chances. Still no word on when he will be

discharged. They are about to transfuse him again and they are having a hard

time controlling his anemia and arrhythmia. Until that is resolved, I don't

suppose he will be coming home. He says he can't sleep because someone is always

there fussing over him to get up and walk, physical therapy and inhalation

therapy. As the bags of heparin are emptied, the machines start beeping and it

takes them about 10 or 15 min. for someone to come and change the bags. He's

calling for me, so duty calls and I will go. Just between us, I'm tired of the

hospital and the food, too. LOL.

Blessings and watch your diet and quit smoking so you won't have to endure this

type of treatment and surgery,

Lottie