Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 At 08:11 PM 11/20/01 +0000, you wrote: >I'm curious about the patchouli, though. Did you >add it for just the fragrance or does it have >medicinal qualities I'm not aware of? >Heidi it's one of the recommendations for very dry/cracked/chapped skin. Your source for superb Essential Oils, Aromatherapy Accessories, Information, Books and more! Visit us at: <http://www.naturesgift.com> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 Dear perfumers, My fiance ran into a rather peculiar situation that I thought you'd all find interesting and perhaps can provide a few pointers. He went to work at a new job the other day and was wearing a patchouli/vetiver mix under his armpits. He received a phone call from " Human Resources " stating that his cologne made someone get a headache and a sinus infection. Patchouli and vetiver under someones armpits gave someone a sinus infection? Does this sound probable? Is it possible to show any data stated that a synergy of Patchouli and Vetiver under someones armpits would not give another individual a sinus infection? -R- Roxana Villa Visual and Aromatic Artist http://www.roxanavilla.com/ NEW PAINTINS here: http://web.showcase.com/workinshowcase.asp?person=47989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2004 Report Share Posted August 11, 2004 On Wed, 11 Aug 2004 17:04:05 -0700, you wrote: > He went to work at a new job the other day and was wearing > a patchouli/vetiver mix under his armpits. He received a phone > call from " Human Resources " stating that his cologne made > someone get a headache and a sinus infection <g>. My 2 cents. Just use a greater dilution. Patchouli and Vetiver are very strong and noticeable. Also very substantive on the skin. The wearer gets used to it, yet the fragrance is still there - and diffusive. Furthermore the warmth and moisture of the armpit promotes its diffusion. Maybe a 0.5 to 1% max solution would be more appropriate. If worn daily, maybe even less due to the cumulative effect of daily application . . . AND don't forget that the clothing will also carry the odor.... particularly patchouli, even after washing. The other issue, is that both patchouli and vetiver could be very " rooty " in odor (poor quality). These " rooty " notes are very omni present, and could affect the concentration of a worker. Particularly if that person has other problems. As far as headache???? I would say just awareness by the " smeller " , like a dog barking in a quiet neighborhood. A nuisance to some, oblivious to others. Sinus infection! If I was HR, I would make a note of the " someone " . This person is a liability to the corporation. <vbg> -= ß =- _______________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 On Aug 12, 2004, at 10:20 AM, R. Klanott wrote: > Some people have reactions to certain scents because they are allergic > to > them. The reactions can be pretty nasty. I would think if a person > had a > reaction to the scent, causing the olfactory glands to swell, or cause > irritation, inflammation, and other events, and the signs of the > allergy > went unnoticed, then it could result in a sinus infection. i am wondering about this too. molds, tree pollens and animal dander can cause negative reactions in humans, such as allergies, etc. thus, could, a pure essential oil do the same thing? perhaps aggravate a persons sinuses? even though the eo's are under a persons armpits...as opposed to diffused in a room. it seems a bit ludicrous to me...but, before presenting a case to them i'd like to be real clear. i also believe this is important to all of us working with these materials. now, the other scenario here is that this person just flat out doesn't like patchouli and manifested a reaction all on his own! thank you for all the responses. if any of you can recommend where i can get some scientific backing for my case i'd appreciate it. with gratitude, -R- Roxana Villa Visual and Aromatic Artist http://www.roxanavilla.com NEW PAINTINGS at http://web.showcase.com/workinshowcase.asp?person=47989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 At 10:53 AM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >On Aug 12, 2004, at 10:20 AM, R. Klanott wrote: > >> Some people have reactions to certain scents because they are allergic >> to them. The reactions can be pretty nasty. I would think if a person >> had a reaction to the scent, causing the olfactory glands to swell, or cause >> irritation, inflammation, and other events, and the signs of the >> allergy went unnoticed, then it could result in a sinus infection. Roxana wrote: >i am wondering about this too. molds, tree pollens and animal >dander can cause negative reactions in humans, such as allergies, >etc. thus, could, a pure essential oil do the same thing? >perhaps aggravate a persons sinuses? even though the eo's >are under a persons armpits...as opposed to diffused in a room. > >it seems a bit ludicrous to me...but, before presenting a case to >them i'd like to be real clear. i also believe this is important to all >of us working with these materials. > >now, the other scenario here is that this person just flat out doesn't >like patchouli and manifested a reaction all on his own! >thank you for all the responses. if any of you can recommend where >i can get some scientific backing for my case i'd appreciate it.* Roxana, Robin, Salaam and others who replied to this thread: I think the telling part of the original post by Roxana is that the person who complained suffered a sinus infection " immediately " , that is, within hours of being exposed to the scent: >He went to work at a new job the other day and was wearing >a patchouli/vetiver mix under his armpits. He received a phone >call from " Human Resources " stating that his cologne made >someone get a headache and a sinus infection. The headache may be explained in Salaam's psychological profile of patchouli's effect on the hormones and psyche. Thank you for that post, it is a new perspective on how oils effect us at a very basic level. Now if the complainer had an existing sinus infection, yes, it may have been aggravated, although I think patchouli and vetiver are not the type of oils to irritate nasal passages or sinus cavaties, but there are always exceptions to the rule. I rather like Chris' funny take on it all, and I heartily agree. >As far as headache???? I would say just awareness by the " smeller " , like a dog >barking in a quiet neighborhood. A nuisance to some, oblivious to others. > >Sinus infection! If I was HR, I would make a note of the " someone " . This person >is a liability to the corporation. <vbg> I hope your fiance, who must be a bit nervous (a new job and all, I wish him well), is able to fix the situation. I have been in situations where a synthetic, popular perfume greatly aggravated my nasal passages, causing sneezing and swelling, which is one of the reasons I have turned to natural perfumery. That said, it is a far leap from an allergic reaction to an infection, esp. since the bacteria need a time to grow, etc. Yeah, HR should be put on notice, LOL (for those group members not from the US, " HR " is for Human Resources, the department in a company that manages personnel, hiring, firing, complaints, etc. *Roxana, perhaps you could start by searching Pubmed.com. Focus on the oils in question. IFRA doesn't ban or restrict them, so that's a plus in your favor. I quickly checked Watts book Plant Aromatics, which is my bible for oil safety. His book only focuses on dermal reactions, but that can be a gross indicator, no? Some Indonesian patchouli caused a bit of a rash, but vetiver, even at 8%, caused no reaction. Think of the infinitesimal amount the complainer actually had his sinuses come in contact with. I think the answer is somewhere between and Salaam's theories, and a bit of an existing sinus infection being blamed on the new scent. Anya http://anyamccoy.com " Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night; God said " Let Tesla Be " and all was light. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 At 10:53 AM 8/12/2004 -0700, you wrote: >On Aug 12, 2004, at 10:20 AM, R. Klanott wrote: > >> Some people have reactions to certain scents because they are allergic >> to them. The reactions can be pretty nasty. I would think if a person >> had a reaction to the scent, causing the olfactory glands to swell, or cause >> irritation, inflammation, and other events, and the signs of the >> allergy went unnoticed, then it could result in a sinus infection. Roxana wrote: >i am wondering about this too. molds, tree pollens and animal >dander can cause negative reactions in humans, such as allergies, >etc. thus, could, a pure essential oil do the same thing? >perhaps aggravate a persons sinuses? even though the eo's >are under a persons armpits...as opposed to diffused in a room. > >it seems a bit ludicrous to me...but, before presenting a case to >them i'd like to be real clear. i also believe this is important to all >of us working with these materials. > >now, the other scenario here is that this person just flat out doesn't >like patchouli and manifested a reaction all on his own! >thank you for all the responses. if any of you can recommend where >i can get some scientific backing for my case i'd appreciate it.* Roxana, Robin, Salaam and others who replied to this thread: I think the telling part of the original post by Roxana is that the person who complained suffered a sinus infection " immediately " , that is, within hours of being exposed to the scent: >He went to work at a new job the other day and was wearing >a patchouli/vetiver mix under his armpits. He received a phone >call from " Human Resources " stating that his cologne made >someone get a headache and a sinus infection. The headache may be explained in Salaam's psychological profile of patchouli's effect on the hormones and psyche. Thank you for that post, it is a new perspective on how oils effect us at a very basic level. Now if the complainer had an existing sinus infection, yes, it may have been aggravated, although I think patchouli and vetiver are not the type of oils to irritate nasal passages or sinus cavaties, but there are always exceptions to the rule. I rather like Chris' funny take on it all, and I heartily agree. >As far as headache???? I would say just awareness by the " smeller " , like a dog >barking in a quiet neighborhood. A nuisance to some, oblivious to others. > >Sinus infection! If I was HR, I would make a note of the " someone " . This person >is a liability to the corporation. <vbg> I hope your fiance, who must be a bit nervous (a new job and all, I wish him well), is able to fix the situation. I have been in situations where a synthetic, popular perfume greatly aggravated my nasal passages, causing sneezing and swelling, which is one of the reasons I have turned to natural perfumery. That said, it is a far leap from an allergic reaction to an infection, esp. since the bacteria need a time to grow, etc. Yeah, HR should be put on notice, LOL (for those group members not from the US, " HR " is for Human Resources, the department in a company that manages personnel, hiring, firing, complaints, etc. *Roxana, perhaps you could start by searching Pubmed.com. Focus on the oils in question. IFRA doesn't ban or restrict them, so that's a plus in your favor. I quickly checked Watts book Plant Aromatics, which is my bible for oil safety. His book only focuses on dermal reactions, but that can be a gross indicator, no? Some Indonesian patchouli caused a bit of a rash, but vetiver, even at 8%, caused no reaction. Think of the infinitesimal amount the complainer actually had his sinuses come in contact with. I think the answer is somewhere between and Salaam's theories, and a bit of an existing sinus infection being blamed on the new scent. Anya http://anyamccoy.com " Nature and Nature's law lay hid in night; God said " Let Tesla Be " and all was light. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 > Robin, as a second though I see that you are right, the odour itself could > be the indirect cause of sinus irritation, specially in regard to people > suffering from multiple sensitivity. > > The subject is thoroughly treated in these sites: > > http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~aair/perfume_corr.htm > > http://www.fpinva.org/ > > Salaam Unfortunately, I feel that some of these individuals go too far. I keep trying to tell myself I'm being insensitive and need to understand that some people do have reactions. If this society ever banned perfume, scent etc, well...don't want to think about it. On the other hand, I did not receive the first post explaining this person had a sinus infection the next day. Well, it takes time for a sinus infection to develop. Now, it's possible the person has allergies to the scent and had the infection brewing anway. It's possible scent allergy caused swelling and inflammations increasing the effects of what was already there. As far as the scent causing the bacteria no. Roxanne, Call a couple of nose, throat and ear specialists and find out if it is even possible to develop a full blown sinus infection within a 24 hour period. That may be your answer. If the answer is no, you can point out that this person more than likely had a pre-existing condition. It could have been their air in their work place, the air pollution that day, heavy exhaust, you name it that could have triggered the irritations to the preexisting condition. It might just as easily been completely coincidental and it was time for the bacteria to burst into major action and was going to no matter what. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 IFRA doesn't ban or restrict them Anya, I have noted that these letters have been mixed up several times. I can only assume you do not mean IFRA but RIFM. Please note that IFRA stands for International Furniture Rental Association http://www.rifm.org/ is the Research Institute for Fragrance Materials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 This is just another way of looking at this. > A sinus infection can be caused by irritations, an indirect result of a > reaction to the essential oil. An irritation can cause a sinus inflammation. An infection is caused by an infective agent such as bacteria. Indigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2004 Report Share Posted August 12, 2004 > This is just another way of looking at this. > > A sinus infection can be caused by irritations, an indirect result of a > > reaction to the essential oil. > > An irritation can cause a sinus inflammation. An infection is caused > by an infective agent such as bacteria. > > Indigo > Irritations and inflammations can cause the activity of bacteria. Although a scent cannot directly cause the bacteria (unless it has bacteria), but it can cause inflammations and irritations of sinus passageways. In turn this can cause a sinus infection. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 > > I hope that you are both saying that the bacteria or virii have to exist for an infection to exist. Irritation and inflammation *alone* do not cause infection. > > > > Donna Hi Donna, That's what I was trying to get across.:-) I don't want to go back and forth about it though so I'm dropping out of the conversation. I just think it's really important not to just toss science out the window when trying to connect the dots. Indigo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 Thank You Indigo, Donna, , Robin, Salaam, and Anya, for all you wisdoms and contributions regarding E.O's in the workplace triggering headaches and sinus infections. We put together quite a compelling document which was successful. All your contributions were very beneficial! With enormous gratitude, -R- Roxana Villa Visual and Aromatic Artist http://www.roxanavilla.com NEW PAINTINGS at http://web.showcase.com/workinshowcase.asp?person=47989 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 > Thank You Indigo, Donna, , Robin, Salaam, and Anya, > for all you wisdoms and contributions regarding E.O's in the workplace > triggering headaches and sinus infections. We put together quite a > compelling document which was successful. All your contributions > were very beneficial! > > With enormous gratitude, > > -R- > Roxana Villa Roxana, Is there any chance you can tell us what is in the document you created in case any of us have this problem in the future? I ask because I have a friend who had this same thing happen in the college office area. We're a small town so an appology and the promise never to wear perfume to her job was all it took. But being the second time I have heard of this for the same reasons, it would be nice to know how to prepare for this. Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2004 Report Share Posted August 13, 2004 On Aug 13, 2004, at 6:22 PM, RKlanott wrote: > Is there any chance you can tell us what is in the document you > created in > case any of us have this problem in the future? I can e-mail a copy to whoever would like to have one. E-mail me off list ;-) -R Roxana Villa Visual and Aromatic Artist http://www.roxanavilla.com NEW PAINTINGS at http://web.showcase.com/workinshowcase.asp?person=47989- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2004 Report Share Posted December 4, 2004 Patchouli is what began my working with combinations of scents. I was hitch hiking up and down the West Coast in the late 60's and everyone wore it. I absolutely loved the scent and its quality of naturalness. However, it did not smell on me ever like anyone else. In my quest to find that same softness, I must have purchased and smelled thousands of patchoulies. While Patchouli has never smelled round on me, it has afforded me years of perfume education in the process of experientially understanding how scents evolve on the skin. Well, Gail, this has been one of the chief mysteries of this most mysterious of oils. Out of the bottle it NEVER smells to me the way it does when someone is wearing it. And to complicate things further, if I am wearing it I can't usually smell it or only very little, though I have to assume that others can. These peculiarities complicate blending. My first encounters with patchouli - also in the late 60's - were as much mystical encounters as olfactory ones. The entire mystical allure of the East (India especially) and the new consciousness emerging in the 60's were all carried by this scent. I remember being surprised when I discovered that the fragrance came out of bottle. That was my first introduction to essential oils, followed by sandalwood (remember in those days it was quite readily available and as I remember, also of quite decent quality). Dorian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 On Jun 22, 2007, at 5:13 PM, fragrantdreams wrote: > Can anyone recommend patchouli? I > appreciate the suggestions. After many years on the left coast (born and raised in NYC), I too loathe the overuse of patchouli (particularly by the hippie crowd, even back east). I did by a bottle of Antique Patchouli from Aftelier and, while I can tell it's patchouli, it's nothing like the cheap stuff most folks who do wear it wear. Aging it makes it delightfully more complex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2007 Report Share Posted June 22, 2007 > > > Can anyone recommend patchouli? I > > appreciate the suggestions. > I did by a bottle of Antique Patchouli from Aftelier > and, while I can tell it's patchouli, it's nothing like the cheap > stuff most folks who do wear it wear. Aging it makes it delightfully > more complex. Thanks Adam. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 fragrantdreams <Maraeexotics@...> wrote: .Patchouli and I have a history together. I spent many years >>>>>>>>>>>>>> But I am now ready to make nice. Currently I am obsessing about rose and I keep reading about how >>>>>>>>>>>>But back to patchouli. I have a bottle that has been hidden in the back of my cabinet for about 6 years now. I opened it up last night and this ummm.. medicinal smell floated up from the bottle. I don't think that is what it is supposed to smell like… right? I did purchase this from New Season a health food market and the brand is Oshadhi and it's organic. I thought that patchouli was supposed to be sweet, herbaceous, and woody. Can anyone recommend patchouli? I appreciate the suggestions. HI When I first started reading your post I thought oooh lucky girl 6 year old patchouli.... just get better with age...... but that is odd.... medicinal? hmmmmm does it give the origin ie was it pogostemon cablin or var Suavis hooker patchouli as there is an inferior oil obtained from Microtaena cymosa, Prain, a herb cultivated in Assam that has been offered as the genuine article. to obtain a patchouli for you to ascertain go to the files and suppliers in the group and order from groups recommended source and then see. I will be very interested in your findings..... hope this helps and yes..... patchouli with rose be careful with dosage :-) ..... I have a note about this which I wrote down years ago.... can't find it at present but if I do I'll post up...... with all good wishes Janita haan perfumer Janita Haan perfume http://www.janitahaan.com coming Janita's Attar meanderings of a Natural Perfumer http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com Flowers of Myddfai Embroidrery and Natural Perfume Project http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.blogspot.com --------------------------------- The all-new goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 > ... I thought that patchouli was supposed to be sweet, herbaceous, and woody. Can anyone recommend patchouli? I appreciate the suggestions. ********** , I never liked it AT ALL untill I got some of the herb itself. It has a clean earthy scent and I love how my Patchoulli soap smells. All I had ever emelled before were the colognes/incense... that apparently were artificially scented because they were " tinny " or smelled hollow and harsh. I never thought I liked Patchoulli until I smelled the real thing. Keep searching and trying until you get the right one. It is worth it. 's in Hubbard, Ohio http://www.scraft-antiqueshop.4t.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 > > .Patchouli and I have a history together. I spent many years > suffocating in his presence. In Ashland Oregon there are many who > believe that the more patchouli the better. I tried the " subtle is > sexy " argument but you know how that goes... I have at all costs tried > to abstain from patchouli as much as I can. But I am now ready to make > nice. Currently I am obsessing about rose and I keep reading about how > patchouli opens the petals of a rose for an incredible smell. I must > smell this. I need to understand what that smells like. I see this > beautiful burgundy rose slowly peeling backs its petals to reveal its > inner scent. But back to patchouli. I have a bottle that has been > hidden in the back of my cabinet for about 6 years now. I opened it up > last night and this ummm.. medicinal smell floated up from the bottle. > I don't think that is what it is supposed to smell like… right? > Hi ! Mmmmm...patchouli does get better with age! I have a small bottle that I bought a few years ago and its even better now! One of my favorite patchouli partners is red mandarin (the red part is important.) Usually one part patchouli and two or three parts mandarin. iel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 Patchouli blends very nicely with eucalyptus. (\__/) (='.'=) ( " )_( " ) a Serrano Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 I thought that patchouli was supposed to be > sweet, herbaceous, and woody. Can anyone recommend patchouli? I > appreciate the suggestions. > , Patchouli to me sounds like a big sneeze... people who were around me when I was testing some on my skin remarked that I smelled like a wet dog. Only I thought it was more like a wet towel that had sat in the corner for 3 days mildewing. So if you find that it works with rose let me know! I'd hate to think I would smell like a mildewed rose Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 --- > > HI > > > does it give the origin ie was it pogostemon cablin or var Suavis hooker patchouli as there is an inferior oil obtained from Microtaena cymosa, Prain, a herb cultivated in Assam that has been offered as the genuine article. > > > Janita haan perfumer > > -------------------------- The patchouli is Pogostem patch Indonesia. I have been looking through my books and have narrowed the medicinal word down to antiseptic-like. That kinda twinge your nose gets when you used bactine from childhood. I am on a search now... never thought that I would search out a patchouli.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 patchouli with rose be careful with dosage :-) .... I have a note about this which I wrote down years ago.... can't find it at present but if I do I'll post up...... with all good wishes Janita haan perfumer Hi found it.... This is going back to 98 when I was researching " check in books what to add to rose oil for it to smell white " " Patchouli with rose oil used in minute amounts gives the fragrance of white roses! " now reading the above notes...... I think you could try by diluting way down the patchouli first........ and then (to save on precious oils) add rose to a glass vial then little by little drop by drop add the patchouli tincture until you are happy with result ..... HTH Janita Janita Haan Perfume http://www.janitahaan.com coming Janita's Attar Blogspot http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com Flowers of Myddfai http://www.flowersofmyddfaiproject.com --------------------------------- New is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2007 Report Share Posted June 23, 2007 > > > > Hi ! > Mmmmm...patchouli does get better with age! I have a small bottle > that I bought a few years ago and its even better now! One of my > favorite patchouli partners is red mandarin (the red part is > important.) Usually one part patchouli and two or three parts > mandarin. > iel Thanks for the blend idea iel > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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