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Thanks Tracey, I am panicking a little, but better now!!! Eva ( I go back

next Wednesday to check my counts .)

From: Tracey

Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:23 PM

Subject: [ ] Neutropenia-Eva

Hi Eva,

Don't panic, this is very common in the early months of Gleevec

treatment. Your neutrophils aren't really that low, many members

have had lower than that.

Ideally they want your count to be 1 or above so you see, you're just

barely below that. Many of the top CML doctors will let the counts

drop below the 1 without doing anything because they've found that

it's not such a big deal afterall. It's a bigger problem when your

count gets around 0.5.

In the early days of treatment, the Gleevec is killing off many

leukemic cells (which are mostly neutrophils) and it takes some time

to generate a new population of good healthy cells so that's why your

count is low. Give it some time and your count should bounce back up

nicely.

For a few patients who have problems with chronically low counts,

there's a drug called Neupogen which can grow neutrophils so there

are other options besides Sprycel if you happen to have an ongoing

problem with low neutrophils but you're not even close to crossing

that bridge yet so please try not to worry.

Take care,

Tracey

>

> Hi gang; I just got home from the doctors and my Gleevec is working

too well or something. My wbc is 2.8 . The doctor says my Neutrophils

are too low 0.9. She said this leaves me vulnerable to infection so

just when I was settling in quite nicely I have to go off Gleevec for

a week and if my counts don't improve I may have to switch to

Sprycel. I know nothing about Sprycel and now I am very nervous about

what will happen next. Anyone that has experienced the same thing ,

could you please help me understand what this is all about. My doc

just kept on saying , I think it will be ok, or it should come back

up!! Thanks Eva B

>

>

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Eva-

Is your doc a CML specialist? I agree with Tracey- I

dropped to 1- my doc wouldn't move me to 400 mg up

from the 3 I started with until I reached 5. I told

him 400 was the therapeutic dosage and that was where

I wanted to be- so I chanted 5 everday and put a sign

up at work " 5 " . I didn't even get a cold - I went to

5 and he increased to 400mg.. But everyone is

different. Non- cml docs may not understand how our

little gold works. We are not your average bears.

Hang in there and I am sure soon Zavie will be

assigning you your own number. I think I'm 1137 but

then with Chemo brain---who knows-smile.

Chi

--- Tracey <traceyincanada@...> wrote:

> Hi Eva,

>

> Don't panic, this is very common in the early months

> of Gleevec

> treatment. Your neutrophils aren't really that low,

> many members

> have had lower than that.

>

> Ideally they want your count to be 1 or above so you

> see, you're just

> barely below that. Many of the top CML doctors will

> let the counts

> drop below the 1 without doing anything because

> they've found that

> it's not such a big deal afterall. It's a bigger

> problem when your

> count gets around 0.5.

>

> In the early days of treatment, the Gleevec is

> killing off many

> leukemic cells (which are mostly neutrophils) and it

> takes some time

> to generate a new population of good healthy cells

> so that's why your

> count is low. Give it some time and your count

> should bounce back up

> nicely.

>

> For a few patients who have problems with

> chronically low counts,

> there's a drug called Neupogen which can grow

> neutrophils so there

> are other options besides Sprycel if you happen to

> have an ongoing

> problem with low neutrophils but you're not even

> close to crossing

> that bridge yet so please try not to worry.

>

> Take care,

> Tracey

>

>

> >

> > Hi gang; I just got home from the doctors and my

> Gleevec is working

> too well or something. My wbc is 2.8 . The doctor

> says my Neutrophils

> are too low 0.9. She said this leaves me

> vulnerable to infection so

> just when I was settling in quite nicely I have to

> go off Gleevec for

> a week and if my counts don't improve I may have to

> switch to

> Sprycel. I know nothing about Sprycel and now I am

> very nervous about

> what will happen next. Anyone that has experienced

> the same thing ,

> could you please help me understand what this is all

> about. My doc

> just kept on saying , I think it will be ok, or it

> should come back

> up!! Thanks Eva B

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

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Just to make things clear, what really counts for infections is the absolute

neutrophil count (ANC), that you obtain by multiplying the total white cell

count (WBC) by the percentage of neutrophils (divided by 100). So if the WBC

is 3 and the neutrophils 60%, the ANC is 3*60/100=1.8

So you can have your WBC at 3 (or even 2) and still have the ANC above 1,

what is the number the dr look for.

Tracey is right, low WBC counts are common at the beginning of the

remission, gleevec wipe out quickly pretty much any mature cml cell, and it

take some time for the normal blood stem cells to recolonize the bone marrow

and start producing enough normal mature white cells.

Marcos.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:11 PM, china neal <chimera46@...> wrote:

> Eva-

>

> Is your doc a CML specialist? I agree with Tracey- I

> dropped to 1- my doc wouldn't move me to 400 mg up

> from the 3 I started with until I reached 5. I told

> him 400 was the therapeutic dosage and that was where

> I wanted to be- so I chanted 5 everday and put a sign

> up at work " 5 " . I didn't even get a cold - I went to

> 5 and he increased to 400mg.. But everyone is

> different. Non- cml docs may not understand how our

> little gold works. We are not your average bears.

>

> Hang in there and I am sure soon Zavie will be

> assigning you your own number. I think I'm 1137 but

> then with Chemo brain---who knows-smile.

>

> Chi

>

>

> --- Tracey <traceyincanada@... <traceyincanada%40>> wrote:

>

> > Hi Eva,

> >

> > Don't panic, this is very common in the early months

> > of Gleevec

> > treatment. Your neutrophils aren't really that low,

> > many members

> > have had lower than that.

> >

> > Ideally they want your count to be 1 or above so you

> > see, you're just

> > barely below that. Many of the top CML doctors will

> > let the counts

> > drop below the 1 without doing anything because

> > they've found that

> > it's not such a big deal afterall. It's a bigger

> > problem when your

> > count gets around 0.5.

> >

> > In the early days of treatment, the Gleevec is

> > killing off many

> > leukemic cells (which are mostly neutrophils) and it

> > takes some time

> > to generate a new population of good healthy cells

> > so that's why your

> > count is low. Give it some time and your count

> > should bounce back up

> > nicely.

> >

> > For a few patients who have problems with

> > chronically low counts,

> > there's a drug called Neupogen which can grow

> > neutrophils so there

> > are other options besides Sprycel if you happen to

> > have an ongoing

> > problem with low neutrophils but you're not even

> > close to crossing

> > that bridge yet so please try not to worry.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Tracey

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi gang; I just got home from the doctors and my

> > Gleevec is working

> > too well or something. My wbc is 2.8 . The doctor

> > says my Neutrophils

> > are too low 0.9. She said this leaves me

> > vulnerable to infection so

> > just when I was settling in quite nicely I have to

> > go off Gleevec for

> > a week and if my counts don't improve I may have to

> > switch to

> > Sprycel. I know nothing about Sprycel and now I am

> > very nervous about

> > what will happen next. Anyone that has experienced

> > the same thing ,

> > could you please help me understand what this is all

> > about. My doc

> > just kept on saying , I think it will be ok, or it

> > should come back

> > up!! Thanks Eva B

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

--

Marcos Perreau Guimaraes

Suppes Brain Lab

Ventura Hall - CSLI

Stanford University

220 Panama street

Stanford CA 94305-4101

650 614 2305

650 630 5015 (cell)

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Thanks Marcos. My WBC is 2.8 and my Neutrophils are 0.9. I was never good at

math. I just was starting to have only a little bone pain. My weight loss had

slowed down ( 104) . I was foolish enough to think I was on my way to feeling

better. This has just kind of scared me. I am still getting used to all this .

I will keep you posted how things are going. Thank you sooo much. God Bless you

all. Eva B

From: Marcos Perreau Guimaraes

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:00 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Neutropenia-Eva

Just to make things clear, what really counts for infections is the absolute

neutrophil count (ANC), that you obtain by multiplying the total white cell

count (WBC) by the percentage of neutrophils (divided by 100). So if the WBC

is 3 and the neutrophils 60%, the ANC is 3*60/100=1.8

So you can have your WBC at 3 (or even 2) and still have the ANC above 1,

what is the number the dr look for.

Tracey is right, low WBC counts are common at the beginning of the

remission, gleevec wipe out quickly pretty much any mature cml cell, and it

take some time for the normal blood stem cells to recolonize the bone marrow

and start producing enough normal mature white cells.

Marcos.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:11 PM, china neal <chimera46@...> wrote:

> Eva-

>

> Is your doc a CML specialist? I agree with Tracey- I

> dropped to 1- my doc wouldn't move me to 400 mg up

> from the 3 I started with until I reached 5. I told

> him 400 was the therapeutic dosage and that was where

> I wanted to be- so I chanted 5 everday and put a sign

> up at work " 5 " . I didn't even get a cold - I went to

> 5 and he increased to 400mg.. But everyone is

> different. Non- cml docs may not understand how our

> little gold works. We are not your average bears.

>

> Hang in there and I am sure soon Zavie will be

> assigning you your own number. I think I'm 1137 but

> then with Chemo brain---who knows-smile.

>

> Chi

>

>

> --- Tracey <traceyincanada@... <traceyincanada%40>> wrote:

>

> > Hi Eva,

> >

> > Don't panic, this is very common in the early months

> > of Gleevec

> > treatment. Your neutrophils aren't really that low,

> > many members

> > have had lower than that.

> >

> > Ideally they want your count to be 1 or above so you

> > see, you're just

> > barely below that. Many of the top CML doctors will

> > let the counts

> > drop below the 1 without doing anything because

> > they've found that

> > it's not such a big deal afterall. It's a bigger

> > problem when your

> > count gets around 0.5.

> >

> > In the early days of treatment, the Gleevec is

> > killing off many

> > leukemic cells (which are mostly neutrophils) and it

> > takes some time

> > to generate a new population of good healthy cells

> > so that's why your

> > count is low. Give it some time and your count

> > should bounce back up

> > nicely.

> >

> > For a few patients who have problems with

> > chronically low counts,

> > there's a drug called Neupogen which can grow

> > neutrophils so there

> > are other options besides Sprycel if you happen to

> > have an ongoing

> > problem with low neutrophils but you're not even

> > close to crossing

> > that bridge yet so please try not to worry.

> >

> > Take care,

> > Tracey

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi gang; I just got home from the doctors and my

> > Gleevec is working

> > too well or something. My wbc is 2.8 . The doctor

> > says my Neutrophils

> > are too low 0.9. She said this leaves me

> > vulnerable to infection so

> > just when I was settling in quite nicely I have to

> > go off Gleevec for

> > a week and if my counts don't improve I may have to

> > switch to

> > Sprycel. I know nothing about Sprycel and now I am

> > very nervous about

> > what will happen next. Anyone that has experienced

> > the same thing ,

> > could you please help me understand what this is all

> > about. My doc

> > just kept on saying , I think it will be ok, or it

> > should come back

> > up!! Thanks Eva B

> > >

> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > removed]

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

--

Marcos Perreau Guimaraes

Suppes Brain Lab

Ventura Hall - CSLI

Stanford University

220 Panama street

Stanford CA 94305-4101

650 614 2305

650 630 5015 (cell)

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montereyunderwater@...

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Thanks Chi, My doctor is a hematological oncologist. She says to stay off the

Gleevec for a week and see what happens , I just thought I was doing really

well. It is just strange being told not to miss a pill and now it is ok to take

nothing for a week. God Bless Eva B

From: china neal

Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 9:11 PM

Subject: Re: [ ] Neutropenia-Eva

Eva-

Is your doc a CML specialist? I agree with Tracey- I

dropped to 1- my doc wouldn't move me to 400 mg up

from the 3 I started with until I reached 5. I told

him 400 was the therapeutic dosage and that was where

I wanted to be- so I chanted 5 everday and put a sign

up at work " 5 " . I didn't even get a cold - I went to

5 and he increased to 400mg.. But everyone is

different. Non- cml docs may not understand how our

little gold works. We are not your average bears.

Hang in there and I am sure soon Zavie will be

assigning you your own number. I think I'm 1137 but

then with Chemo brain---who knows-smile.

Chi

--- Tracey <traceyincanada@...> wrote:

> Hi Eva,

>

> Don't panic, this is very common in the early months

> of Gleevec

> treatment. Your neutrophils aren't really that low,

> many members

> have had lower than that.

>

> Ideally they want your count to be 1 or above so you

> see, you're just

> barely below that. Many of the top CML doctors will

> let the counts

> drop below the 1 without doing anything because

> they've found that

> it's not such a big deal afterall. It's a bigger

> problem when your

> count gets around 0.5.

>

> In the early days of treatment, the Gleevec is

> killing off many

> leukemic cells (which are mostly neutrophils) and it

> takes some time

> to generate a new population of good healthy cells

> so that's why your

> count is low. Give it some time and your count

> should bounce back up

> nicely.

>

> For a few patients who have problems with

> chronically low counts,

> there's a drug called Neupogen which can grow

> neutrophils so there

> are other options besides Sprycel if you happen to

> have an ongoing

> problem with low neutrophils but you're not even

> close to crossing

> that bridge yet so please try not to worry.

>

> Take care,

> Tracey

>

>

> >

> > Hi gang; I just got home from the doctors and my

> Gleevec is working

> too well or something. My wbc is 2.8 . The doctor

> says my Neutrophils

> are too low 0.9. She said this leaves me

> vulnerable to infection so

> just when I was settling in quite nicely I have to

> go off Gleevec for

> a week and if my counts don't improve I may have to

> switch to

> Sprycel. I know nothing about Sprycel and now I am

> very nervous about

> what will happen next. Anyone that has experienced

> the same thing ,

> could you please help me understand what this is all

> about. My doc

> just kept on saying , I think it will be ok, or it

> should come back

> up!! Thanks Eva B

> >

> > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

> >

>

>

>

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I also lost a lot of weight at the beginning. It actually started a while

before dx, I wasn't doing so good for at least a year. My health had been

going up and down since I left the army in 93, so I didn't pay that much

attention to it until the side pain and I started melting away. I kept

loosing weight until 3-4 weeks after dx, I got down to about 135lbs (I am

6'2, my normal weight is 185, and I am pretty lean at that weight). It was

really spooky. But as soon as I was in blood remission I got very quickly

back to 170-180lbs. Now 3 1/2 after I am 180. I am trying to keep light as I

am climbing quite a bit this last year (I am just back from the wall). Now I

am not 25 any more but I am in the best shape I have been in the last 15

years. Keep you spirits, it will get better.

Cheers,

Marcos.

On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:48 PM, Eva <evaob365@...> wrote:

> Thanks Marcos. My WBC is 2.8 and my Neutrophils are 0.9. I was never

> good at math. I just was starting to have only a little bone pain. My weight

> loss had slowed down ( 104) . I was foolish enough to think I was on my way

> to feeling better. This has just kind of scared me. I am still getting used

> to all this . I will keep you posted how things are going. Thank you sooo

> much. God Bless you all. Eva B

>

> From: Marcos Perreau Guimaraes

> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2008 10:00 PM

> <%40>

> Subject: Re: [ ] Neutropenia-Eva

>

>

> Just to make things clear, what really counts for infections is the

> absolute

> neutrophil count (ANC), that you obtain by multiplying the total white cell

> count (WBC) by the percentage of neutrophils (divided by 100). So if the

> WBC

> is 3 and the neutrophils 60%, the ANC is 3*60/100=1.8

> So you can have your WBC at 3 (or even 2) and still have the ANC above 1,

> what is the number the dr look for.

> Tracey is right, low WBC counts are common at the beginning of the

> remission, gleevec wipe out quickly pretty much any mature cml cell, and it

> take some time for the normal blood stem cells to recolonize the bone

> marrow

> and start producing enough normal mature white cells.

> Marcos.

>

> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:11 PM, china neal

<chimera46@...<chimera46%40>>

> wrote:

>

> > Eva-

> >

> > Is your doc a CML specialist? I agree with Tracey- I

> > dropped to 1- my doc wouldn't move me to 400 mg up

> > from the 3 I started with until I reached 5. I told

> > him 400 was the therapeutic dosage and that was where

> > I wanted to be- so I chanted 5 everday and put a sign

> > up at work " 5 " . I didn't even get a cold - I went to

> > 5 and he increased to 400mg.. But everyone is

> > different. Non- cml docs may not understand how our

> > little gold works. We are not your average bears.

> >

> > Hang in there and I am sure soon Zavie will be

> > assigning you your own number. I think I'm 1137 but

> > then with Chemo brain---who knows-smile.

> >

> > Chi

> >

> >

> > --- Tracey <traceyincanada@...

<traceyincanada%40><traceyincanada%

> 40>> wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Eva,

> > >

> > > Don't panic, this is very common in the early months

> > > of Gleevec

> > > treatment. Your neutrophils aren't really that low,

> > > many members

> > > have had lower than that.

> > >

> > > Ideally they want your count to be 1 or above so you

> > > see, you're just

> > > barely below that. Many of the top CML doctors will

> > > let the counts

> > > drop below the 1 without doing anything because

> > > they've found that

> > > it's not such a big deal afterall. It's a bigger

> > > problem when your

> > > count gets around 0.5.

> > >

> > > In the early days of treatment, the Gleevec is

> > > killing off many

> > > leukemic cells (which are mostly neutrophils) and it

> > > takes some time

> > > to generate a new population of good healthy cells

> > > so that's why your

> > > count is low. Give it some time and your count

> > > should bounce back up

> > > nicely.

> > >

> > > For a few patients who have problems with

> > > chronically low counts,

> > > there's a drug called Neupogen which can grow

> > > neutrophils so there

> > > are other options besides Sprycel if you happen to

> > > have an ongoing

> > > problem with low neutrophils but you're not even

> > > close to crossing

> > > that bridge yet so please try not to worry.

> > >

> > > Take care,

> > > Tracey

> > >

> > >

> > > >

> > > > Hi gang; I just got home from the doctors and my

> > > Gleevec is working

> > > too well or something. My wbc is 2.8 . The doctor

> > > says my Neutrophils

> > > are too low 0.9. She said this leaves me

> > > vulnerable to infection so

> > > just when I was settling in quite nicely I have to

> > > go off Gleevec for

> > > a week and if my counts don't improve I may have to

> > > switch to

> > > Sprycel. I know nothing about Sprycel and now I am

> > > very nervous about

> > > what will happen next. Anyone that has experienced

> > > the same thing ,

> > > could you please help me understand what this is all

> > > about. My doc

> > > just kept on saying , I think it will be ok, or it

> > > should come back

> > > up!! Thanks Eva B

> > > >

> > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been

> > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

> --

> Marcos Perreau Guimaraes

> Suppes Brain Lab

> Ventura Hall - CSLI

> Stanford University

> 220 Panama street

> Stanford CA 94305-4101

> 650 614 2305

> 650 630 5015 (cell)

> marcospg@... <marcospg%40csli.stanford.edu>

> montereyunderwater@... <montereyunderwater%40gmail.com>

> www.stanford.edu/~marcospg/

>

>

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Marcos,

My labs don't have the Nuetrophils or ANC listed.Is it listed as

something else or do i need some other test than the ones I posted

about 10 days ago? I would like to calculate like you just did but

don't have either of those listed on my labs..

Thanks

for the help(my labs say WBC is 19.8

SharonS

In , " Marcos Perreau Guimaraes "

<montereyunderwater@...> wrote:

>

> Just to make things clear, what really counts for infections is the

absolute

> neutrophil count (ANC), that you obtain by multiplying the total

white cell

> count (WBC) by the percentage of neutrophils (divided by 100). So

if the WBC

> is 3 and the neutrophils 60%, the ANC is 3*60/100=1.8

> So you can have your WBC at 3 (or even 2) and still have the ANC

above 1,

> what is the number the dr look for.

> Tracey is right, low WBC counts are common at the beginning of the

> remission, gleevec wipe out quickly pretty much any mature cml

cell, and it

> take some time for the normal blood stem cells to recolonize the

bone marrow

> and start producing enough normal mature white cells.

> Marcos.

>

>

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There's two automated blood count tests (CBC) : non differential and

differential. More counting manual tests but those are not routine.

The neutrophil count is in my CBC differential test (with % monocytes,

lymphocytes, eisonophils, basophils, etc). The CBC non differential has the

total WBC, RBC, hemoglobin, RDW, platelets, etc.

I have both test every month.

Marcos.

On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 4:52 PM, serenitywon <serenitywon@...> wrote:

> Marcos,

> My labs don't have the Nuetrophils or ANC listed.Is it listed as

> something else or do i need some other test than the ones I posted

> about 10 days ago? I would like to calculate like you just did but

> don't have either of those listed on my labs..

> Thanks

> for the help(my labs say WBC is 19.8

> SharonS

>

> In <%40>, " Marcos Perreau

> Guimaraes "

> <montereyunderwater@...> wrote:

> >

> > Just to make things clear, what really counts for infections is the

> absolute

> > neutrophil count (ANC), that you obtain by multiplying the total

> white cell

> > count (WBC) by the percentage of neutrophils (divided by 100). So

> if the WBC

> > is 3 and the neutrophils 60%, the ANC is 3*60/100=1.8

> > So you can have your WBC at 3 (or even 2) and still have the ANC

> above 1,

> > what is the number the dr look for.

> > Tracey is right, low WBC counts are common at the beginning of the

> > remission, gleevec wipe out quickly pretty much any mature cml

> cell, and it

> > take some time for the normal blood stem cells to recolonize the

> bone marrow

> > and start producing enough normal mature white cells.

> > Marcos.

> >

> >

>

>

>

--

Marcos Perreau Guimaraes

Suppes Brain Lab

Ventura Hall - CSLI

Stanford University

220 Panama street

Stanford CA 94305-4101

650 614 2305

650 630 5015 (cell)

marcospg@...

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www.stanford.edu/~marcospg/

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Marcos,

Thanks for explaining that to me..My labs don't have it listed in

the Differential or the non-differential.I will ask for that to be

added next time.

Thanks

SharonS

In , " Marcos Perreau Guimaraes "

<montereyunderwater@...> wrote:

>

> There's two automated blood count tests (CBC) : non differential and

> differential. More counting manual tests but those are not routine.

> The neutrophil count is in my CBC differential test (with %

monocytes,

> lymphocytes, eisonophils, basophils, etc). The CBC non differential

has the

> total WBC, RBC, hemoglobin, RDW, platelets, etc.

> I have both test every month.

> Marcos.

>

>

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