Calcium

April 14, 1999

Where? What's the name? Do they want my first born child? I'll give her to

them!!!!

OK, maybe not, but close!

In a message dated 4/14/99 1:52:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,

jkirsten@... writes:

<< Actually folks, I just recently tried the new calcium that is a nice and

yummy

chewy, chocolate candy. Has no sugar and only 20 calories and is 500 mg per

" candy " .

Am switching to it for good. Beats the heck out of swallowing horse pills.

It has

all the extra goodies that are needed for assimilation as well.

Best - Jan K >>

January 23, 2000

,

As I understand it, don't take calcium rich foods or supplements within 2

hrs of the Mino

Take care,

Ute

January 23, 2000

From what I understand you need to avoid calcium 2 hours either side of

Minocin because it interferes with its absorption. Taking it away from

Minocin is fine, I believe.

rheumatic Calcium

>From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

>Dear Group,. It is a cold, snowy day and I am laying back rereading The

>New Arthritis Breakthrough. I just read where calcium takes away from

>the effects of the treatment. I would have sworn I have ready some of

>your notes about your taking a calcium supplement. Maybe I am wrong,

>could easily be. I just wanted to pass this on. Fain, Montana

>

>---------------------------

April 28, 2000

I recently started taking Calcium with Vit. D supplements again and had an

interesting discussion with the pharmacist last week. The ones I take have

500 mg on the front of the bottle but say on the side 1200 mg. I wasn't

sure how many to take to get the RDA. The pharmacist said the 500 mg on the

front is how much is actually absorbed per tablet. I think I recall my gp

years ago saying to take one tablet a day.

I also take son's Multivitamins with chelated minerals which was

recommended by my RD when I was first diagnosed. I had gone off them too,

but have resumed taking them also.

Bev

What kind of Calcium supplements have people had good success with? I just

bought a Ca supplement that has vit D, boron, calcium citrate, zinc, copper,

and manganese. I got it at Kroger--nothing special, but wondering what is

absorbed the best because I am getting osteoporosis.

<< Bev: a supplement containing Calcium & Magnesium citrate...both together

-

relieved the muscle spasms--which after time became more of a trigger point

than a tender point, after the first DAY! Some people I have spoken with

on

a fibro forum I'm on, cannot find the liquid - which is lemon flavored. It

can be gotten in tablet/pill form, I believe. I am going today to my local

vitamin store to replace the 16 oz bottle I've gone thru. Good luck to

you.

>>

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April 28, 2000

, my naturopath recommends Osteo Prime which has lots of vitamins and

minerals to help the absorption of calcium. The book PREVENTING AND

REVERSING OSTEOPOROSIS explains what you need to build bones. Also, they

say calcium citrate is more easily absorbed. I have osteopenia, so bone

density is a concern to me too.

(RA 23+ years, AP since Nov. 97)

rheumatic Calcium

> What kind of Calcium supplements have people had good success with? I just

> bought a Ca supplement that has vit D, boron, calcium citrate, zinc,

copper,

> and manganese. I got it at Kroger--nothing special, but wondering what is

> absorbed the best because I am getting osteoporosis.

>

> << Bev: a supplement containing Calcium & Magnesium citrate...both

together

> -

> relieved the muscle spasms--which after time became more of a trigger

point

> than a tender point, after the first DAY! Some people I have spoken with

on

> a fibro forum I'm on, cannot find the liquid - which is lemon flavored.

It

> can be gotten in tablet/pill form, I believe. I am going today to my

local

> vitamin store to replace the 16 oz bottle I've gone thru. Good luck to

you.

>

> >>

>

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April 28, 2000

I would agree except I am on Coumadin blood thinner and you have to avoid

green and leafy vegs in much quantities due to they're high in vitamin K.

I'd rather go that route, but " D'd if you do D'd if you don't " I guess--I

really hate being on a drug that you HAVE to take for the rest of your life.

So I am open to any alternatives that are blood thinners too. (Also, the

veg's would really need to be organic to get much good out of them re

calcium.)

Same thing goes for your sea weed suggestion--vitamin K is probably real

high...good idea for other folks tho.

I also am worried about bone buildup where I don't want it, like joints or

nodules. Already I have some frozen finger joints just from RA, a couple have

started movement again--wish I knew what I did to reverse it.

<< Im suspect of calcium suppliments being real effective. The thing to do is

minimize loss by eating a low protein diet (no dairy or meat), and adding

calcium by eating calcium rich foods like broccoli, romaine, and raw spinach

ect.

>>

April 28, 2000

Im suspect of calcium suppliments being real effective. The thing to do is

minimize loss by eating a low protein diet (no dairy or meat), and adding

calcium by eating calcium rich foods like broccoli, romaine, and raw spinach

ect.

rheumatic Calcium

> What kind of Calcium supplements have people had good success with? I just

> bought a Ca supplement that has vit D, boron, calcium citrate, zinc,

copper,

> and manganese. I got it at Kroger--nothing special, but wondering what is

> absorbed the best because I am getting osteoporosis.

>

> << Bev: a supplement containing Calcium & Magnesium citrate...both

together

> -

> relieved the muscle spasms--which after time became more of a trigger

point

> than a tender point, after the first DAY! Some people I have spoken with

on

> a fibro forum I'm on, cannot find the liquid - which is lemon flavored.

It

> can be gotten in tablet/pill form, I believe. I am going today to my

local

> vitamin store to replace the 16 oz bottle I've gone thru. Good luck to

you.

>

> >>

>

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June 9, 2001

Do you mean I should supplement with calcium or eat particular foods

high in calcium or both ? .

***********

I understand that the best sources of calcium are vegetable

sources like dark green leafy veges. If you can get enough with

supplements so much the better, but if you take supplements make sure it

doesn't have heavy metals like lead, which a lot of calcium supplements

do.

Bernie

November 24, 2002

Carla,

That's interesting. I started using this for my son also about a

week ago and am seeing more tantrums since. I have to admit I

started several supplements at the same time (I know not a good idea)

and have been trying to figure out if one of them is the culprit. I

had been giving him calcium previously (not this brand or form) so I

didn't really think it might be the problem. Know I wonder.

('s Mom)

> Can calcium cause worse behaviors? I've added calcium powder

w/Vit. D from Kirkman's and my son's behaviors seem worse. Would

calcium have anything to do w/it?

>

> Carla

>

November 24, 2002

Hi Carla and ,

I stopped giving to my son any calcium supplements because I already

tried cytrate, malate, carbonate with D and with all them he had just

terrible tantrums. Usually he behaves very well, but even afer such a

small dose as 60mg he starts biting and hitting, does it with

terrible anger and it is impossible to stop him. Before we stared

chelation I did not notice such reaction to calcium supplements.

Somebody on enzymes group said that inorganic calcium may feed

yeast... This may be an explanation. He does not seem to have this

reaction to calcium caprylate. Because I worry about calcium

depletion, I stopped the diet recently and started giving him cheese,

and it seems that he does not have problem with it. I also feed him

broccoli, because I know that green vegetables have some calcium in

them. I do not see any bad reaction to those calcium-containing

foods. I would appreciate if somebody could explain to me what

happens...I already asked several doctors, and nobody knows.

Margaret

> > Can calcium cause worse behaviors? I've added calcium powder

> w/Vit. D from Kirkman's and my son's behaviors seem worse. Would

> calcium have anything to do w/it?

> >

> > Carla

> >

September 24, 2003

Hi,

We don't drink milk but I have found that I can tolerate small amounts of

sheep dairy. We do use raw cow butter without a problem.

I also make broth about once a week and that gets used daily in cooking. And

we eat a lot (massive quantities) of hard leafy green vegetables.

Elainie

September 25, 2003

>Are there non-milk drinkers on this list who can give advice? I've

>yet to try kefir and so would be interested to hear from anyone who

>finds they can tolerate that even if you don't get on with uncultured

>raw milk.

>

>Grazie,

>

>Kate

Seems like the traditional peoples did things like use

juniper ash as a flavoring (high in calcium) or eat clay

as a flavoring agent. Or make fermented bone balls.

Or eat lots of greens. Or put ground up anchovies in

their kimchi.

However, I take calcium supplements, because I haven't

come up with a reliable source of calcium that I'll

remember. It works ...

-- Heidi

September 25, 2003

On Wed, 24 Sep 2003 22:18:05 -0000

" blackhearts_battersea " <blackheartsinbattersea@...> wrote:

>This is to ask for some advice: I am wondering on and off if I would

>be better without milk products - i tested as sensitive to them a few

>years ago, and have sometimes stopped eating them for long periods -

>but with bad results for my teeth. I am wondering how to both stay

>clear of the stuff and get enough calcium from my diet, especially as

>I loathe sardines.

>

>Are there non-milk drinkers on this list who can give advice? I've

>yet to try kefir and so would be interested to hear from anyone who

>finds they can tolerate that even if you don't get on with uncultured

>raw milk.

>

>Grazie,

>

>Kate

>who has been lurking for a while.

>

Hi Kate,

Several suggestions:

1. Nourishing Traditions considers raw uncultured milk a compromise food.

I would tend to agree with Sally on this one. Unless you are using very

fresh milk for therapeutic purposes, I would culture it.

2. I would also consider the source. Unless you know beyond the shadow

of a doubt that you can obtain high quality cow's milk, I would switch

to milk from another animal. Now sometimes you can get away with low

quality cows milk if you culture it, but that is the only way I would

consume such milk. And just because a supply of milk is organic and or

pastured doesn't mean its high quality, but if you had to choose between

the two choose pastured.

3. I seem to recall Weston Price being high on the butter oil/cod liver

oil combo for the health of the teeth.

4. I don't know how accurate it is, but here is a calcium chart I

plucked off the web (and yes they gave permission at the bottom to copy

and distribute).

Food

Serving Size

Calcium per Serving

Dairy

Milk 1 cup 296 mg

Yogurt 1 cup 294 mg

Pudding 1 cup 250 mg

Ice cream 1 cup 236 mg

Cottage cheese 1 cup 230 mg

Cheddar cheese 1 ounce 213 mg

American cheese 1 ounce 198 mg

Vegetables

Collard greens 1 cup (cooked) 350 mg

Turnip greens 1 cup (cooked) 200 mg

White beans 1 cup (cooked) 200 mg

Chinese cabbage 1 cup (cooked) 150 mg

Mustard greens 1 cup (cooked) 125 mg

Kale 1 cup (cooked) 100 mg

Broccoli 1 cup (cooked) 75 mg

Other Other Other Other Other Other Other Other

Sardines 3 ounces (+ bones) 275 mg

Tofu 4 ounces 215 mg

Salmon 3 ounces (+ bones) 180 mg

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October 19, 2004

I am not sure what the best for is, mainly a form that you

can absorb. I tried coral calcium and didn't feel any change

taking it. I feel a little better taking this calcium/mag tablets

from Nature's Plus called Dyno-Mins. Read up on Phytavail

Minerals, it might interest you.

Got mine at the health food store. And I went to the Nature's

Plus web site and they seem to have a vitamin C that is from

many kinds of fruits and not citrus. Citrus bothers me so I

am looking on trying that out.

Liz D.

> [Original Message]

> From: tinalunabean <lolabryn@...>

> < >

> Date: 10/19/2004 6:08:16 AM

> Subject: [ ] calcium

>

> Hello all. What is the best form of calcium? There seems to be a lot

> of conflict about it. My family has a history of osteoporosis, my

> kids do not get enough calcium in their food, and they need to be

> supplemented with it. Thanks. Tina

>

> =======================================================

>

March 10, 2005

Hi Angie:

My rheumy recently put me on Calcium Citrate - I don't

have any fractures or signs of osteoporosis and my

bone density was good, but he wants added calcium

because of the RA. I take it in pill form, 500 mg.

twice a day. I know that adding yet another pill is

not very appealing, but, like you, I don't drink milk

or eat a lot of dairy, so this is my option.

Kathe in CA

--- along302003 <along3@...> wrote:

>

> I was told by the ortho that I need to make sure I

> have plenty of

> calcium since I am already having stress fractures.

> Does anyone

> know of ways to get calcium without drinking milk.

> I do not like

> milk and can just have limited amounts of cheese,

> ice cream cause I

> am lactose intolerant Any help would be greatly

> appreciated as I

> would like to not have to experience this again.

> Because of the

> brace I am now having problems with arthritis pains

> in my hip and

> knee oh well I have to deal with it till after

> April5 hopefully it

> fixes the fracture Thanks for any input

> Thanks

> Angie

>

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March 10, 2005

Hi Angie:

My rheumy recently put me on Calcium Citrate - I don't

have any fractures or signs of osteoporosis and my

bone density was good, but he wants added calcium

because of the RA. I take it in pill form, 500 mg.

twice a day. I know that adding yet another pill is

not very appealing, but, like you, I don't drink milk

or eat a lot of dairy, so this is my option.

Kathe in CA

--- along302003 <along3@...> wrote:

>

> I was told by the ortho that I need to make sure I

> have plenty of

> calcium since I am already having stress fractures.

> Does anyone

> know of ways to get calcium without drinking milk.

> I do not like

> milk and can just have limited amounts of cheese,

> ice cream cause I

> am lactose intolerant Any help would be greatly

> appreciated as I

> would like to not have to experience this again.

> Because of the

> brace I am now having problems with arthritis pains

> in my hip and

> knee oh well I have to deal with it till after

> April5 hopefully it

> fixes the fracture Thanks for any input

> Thanks

> Angie

>

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March 10, 2005

There has been a major battle going on regarding calcium, the best

sources, and how much we actually need. When I decided to give up

dairy to see if it helped my RA, I started reading about calcium, and

what I found surprised me. Other countries do not have the same

recommended daily allowances that we have. These countries don't

have OP in spite of the lower calcium intake. Here's an article

about it:

Milk, Calcium, and Bone Density-European Vegetarian Union News

http://www.european-vegetarian.org/evu/english/news/news964/milk.html

I've added blackstrap molasses to my diet for the calcium, iron and

other minerals. It's a very healthy sweetener that I add to my

oatmeal.

Blackstrap molasses is low in salt, and very low in saturated fat and

cholesterol. It is also a good source of Vitamin B6 and Selenium, and

a very good source of Calcium, Iron, Magnesium, Potassium, Copper and

Manganese.

http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice & dbid=118

Veggies, figs and all kinds of beans are also a good source of

calcium. But another very important thing often overlooked is getting

enough vitamin D. Calcium needs vitamin D for absorption. 15-20

minutes in the sunshine 3-4 times a week is adequate to get enough

vitamin D.

Many people don't eat dairy, my husband included. I don't want to get

my calcium from supplements, so we get it with our diet which is high

in veggies, nuts and seeds such as almonds, Brazil nuts, pistachios,

sesame, sunflower & flax seeds.

a

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:20:30 -0000, along302003 <along3@...> wrote:

>

> I was told by the ortho that I need to make sure I have plenty of

> calcium since I am already having stress fractures. Does anyone

> know of ways to get calcium without drinking milk. I do not like

> milk and can just have limited amounts of cheese, ice cream cause I

> am lactose intolerant Any help would be greatly appreciated as I

> would like to not have to experience this again. Because of the

> brace I am now having problems with arthritis pains in my hip and

> knee oh well I have to deal with it till after April5 hopefully it

> fixes the fracture Thanks for any input

> Thanks

> Angie

>

March 10, 2005