Calcium

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Hi again Kristy -- I'll try the Evolution. I've seen it in my local

Vons (Safeway). Although I don't know how it will go over with my

son. He's pretty specific about his juice. :-)

All of the rice milks available in stores, including Whole Foods,

Trader Joe's, Pacific, etc., are made with " Organic Brown Rice " , so

they are not allowed.

Dr. G needs to update his " Do's and Don't's of the Diet " guidelines,

because the very first product he recommends is Rice Dream.

Donna

>

> Donna,

>

> I, too, worry about enough calcium for my little guy. Will your son

drink

> juice? I recently found a juice by Evolution, called Organic V which

is just

> 5 organic veggies: carrot, parsley, beets, celery and I think

broccoli and

> it tastes a little sweet, not veggie at all. I mix it 2/3 with 1/3

organic

> grape and my 4 y.o. son loves it (he won't go near a veggie).

>

> Can you get another type of rice milk? I have heard that the Whole Foods

> brand is better than Rice Dream. We're not doing rice milk right now

to help

> control yeast.

>

> Can you give him calcium-fortified juices? I've never asked Dr. G about

> that.

>

> Kristy

> Calcium

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've got a question regarding getting enough calcium into my

little guy.

>

> is 8. From the time he started on the protocol, until about 2

> months ago, he drank Rice Dream with most meals. Dr. G recently told

> me to eliminate Rice Dream because it is made from brown rice.

> Okay...so, soy milk is completely out (because he hates it, and also

> because he has always been borderline sensitive to soy), and he

> recently decided he doesn't like goat milk gouda and cheddar (used to

> be great for grilled cheese and pizza...).

>

> I started buying Vance's Dairifree powder on the internet. He'll have

> it on cereal, and will drink it if I mix it with chocolate syrup. But

> if I try to give it to him plain he gags. Today I was distressed to

> learn that chocolate can interfere with the absorption of calcium. He

> won't eat anything green, and most of the other major

> calcium-containing foods that I read about are either not allowed

> (calcium-fortified OJ) or seriously hated. So...(sigh...)

>

> Appreciate any ideas you guys have. Anyone have any recipes using

> Dairifree?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

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> opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent

Coalition.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Trader Joes and

> Whole Foods all sell a GFCF organic chocolate syrup that tastes

pretty good.

>

The one from Trader Joe's is not CF.

[Guest guest]

A super wonderful solution to the calcium problem is

bone broths - made from chicken w/ bones, or made from

beef marrow bones and something else like short-ribs

or oxtails.

*** Homemade is the only way to get this benefit, but

it's really easy.

Chicken broth can be used in soooo much, and both

broths also contain gelatin - which is a superior

digestive aid (not OTC supplements 'cause MSG is made

during processing) and has major gut-healing

properties. You can also boil it down to make sauces,

or use it in soups, or clarify it, flavor it, and

drink it straight. The calcium is more absorbable

than most, too. Think about it - straight out of the

bones.

I could post recipes, as well as " nutritional

benefits " later...

--- princesspeach <donnaaron@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> I've got a question regarding getting enough calcium

> into my little guy.

>

> is 8. From the time he started on the

> protocol, until about 2

> months ago, he drank Rice Dream with most meals.

> Dr. G recently told

> me to eliminate Rice Dream because it is made from

> brown rice.

> Okay...so, soy milk is completely out (because he

> hates it, and also

> because he has always been borderline sensitive to

> soy), and he

> recently decided he doesn't like goat milk gouda and

> cheddar (used to

> be great for grilled cheese and pizza...).

>

> I started buying Vance's Dairifree powder on the

> internet. He'll have

> it on cereal, and will drink it if I mix it with

> chocolate syrup. But

> if I try to give it to him plain he gags. Today I

> was distressed to

> learn that chocolate can interfere with the

> absorption of calcium. He

> won't eat anything green, and most of the other

> major

> calcium-containing foods that I read about are

> either not allowed

> (calcium-fortified OJ) or seriously hated.

> So...(sigh...)

>

> Appreciate any ideas you guys have. Anyone have any

> recipes using

> Dairifree?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I'd be interested in knowing more about making

homemade broths & recipes to use it in... I'd like to

know the nutritional benefits too! Thanks-

--- <thecolemans4@...> wrote:

> A super wonderful solution to the calcium problem is

> bone broths - made from chicken w/ bones, or made

> from

> beef marrow bones and something else like short-ribs

> or oxtails.

>

> *** Homemade is the only way to get this benefit,

> but

> it's really easy.

>

> Chicken broth can be used in soooo much, and both

> broths also contain gelatin - which is a superior

> digestive aid (not OTC supplements 'cause MSG is

> made

> during processing) and has major gut-healing

> properties. You can also boil it down to make

> sauces,

> or use it in soups, or clarify it, flavor it, and

> drink it straight. The calcium is more absorbable

> than most, too. Think about it - straight out of

> the

> bones.

>

> I could post recipes, as well as " nutritional

> benefits " later...

>

>

> --- princesspeach <donnaaron@...> wrote:

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > I've got a question regarding getting enough

> calcium

> > into my little guy.

> >

> > is 8. From the time he started on the

> > protocol, until about 2

> > months ago, he drank Rice Dream with most meals.

> > Dr. G recently told

> > me to eliminate Rice Dream because it is made from

> > brown rice.

> > Okay...so, soy milk is completely out (because he

> > hates it, and also

> > because he has always been borderline sensitive to

> > soy), and he

> > recently decided he doesn't like goat milk gouda

> and

> > cheddar (used to

> > be great for grilled cheese and pizza...).

> >

> > I started buying Vance's Dairifree powder on the

> > internet. He'll have

> > it on cereal, and will drink it if I mix it with

> > chocolate syrup. But

> > if I try to give it to him plain he gags. Today I

> > was distressed to

> > learn that chocolate can interfere with the

> > absorption of calcium. He

> > won't eat anything green, and most of the other

> > major

> > calcium-containing foods that I read about are

> > either not allowed

> > (calcium-fortified OJ) or seriously hated.

> > So...(sigh...)

> >

> > Appreciate any ideas you guys have. Anyone have

> any

> > recipes using

> > Dairifree?

> >

> > Thanks in advance,

> >

> > Donna

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

Would making it from scratch and white rice be best? Probably, huh?

I'll just put it on my " to do " list ;-)

Kristy

Calcium

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've got a question regarding getting enough calcium into my

little guy.

>

> is 8. From the time he started on the protocol, until about 2

> months ago, he drank Rice Dream with most meals. Dr. G recently told

> me to eliminate Rice Dream because it is made from brown rice.

> Okay...so, soy milk is completely out (because he hates it, and also

> because he has always been borderline sensitive to soy), and he

> recently decided he doesn't like goat milk gouda and cheddar (used to

> be great for grilled cheese and pizza...).

>

> I started buying Vance's Dairifree powder on the internet. He'll have

> it on cereal, and will drink it if I mix it with chocolate syrup. But

> if I try to give it to him plain he gags. Today I was distressed to

> learn that chocolate can interfere with the absorption of calcium. He

> won't eat anything green, and most of the other major

> calcium-containing foods that I read about are either not allowed

> (calcium-fortified OJ) or seriously hated. So...(sigh...)

>

> Appreciate any ideas you guys have. Anyone have any recipes using

> Dairifree?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent

Coalition.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I once asked about getting more calcium into my son and it turned out his

blood work indicated that he not need any addition calcium. So, you might

want to check with Dr. G before getting too worried about this.

On 5/24/06 2:01 PM, " Kristy Nardini " <krnardini@...> wrote:

> Donna,

>

> I, too, worry about enough calcium for my little guy. Will your son drink

> juice? I recently found a juice by Evolution, called Organic V which is just

> 5 organic veggies: carrot, parsley, beets, celery and I think broccoli and

> it tastes a little sweet, not veggie at all. I mix it 2/3 with 1/3 organic

> grape and my 4 y.o. son loves it (he won't go near a veggie).

>

> Can you get another type of rice milk? I have heard that the Whole Foods

> brand is better than Rice Dream. We're not doing rice milk right now to help

> control yeast.

>

> Can you give him calcium-fortified juices? I've never asked Dr. G about

> that.

>

> Kristy

> Calcium

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've got a question regarding getting enough calcium into my little guy.

>

> is 8. From the time he started on the protocol, until about 2

> months ago, he drank Rice Dream with most meals. Dr. G recently told

> me to eliminate Rice Dream because it is made from brown rice.

> Okay...so, soy milk is completely out (because he hates it, and also

> because he has always been borderline sensitive to soy), and he

> recently decided he doesn't like goat milk gouda and cheddar (used to

> be great for grilled cheese and pizza...).

>

> I started buying Vance's Dairifree powder on the internet. He'll have

> it on cereal, and will drink it if I mix it with chocolate syrup. But

> if I try to give it to him plain he gags. Today I was distressed to

> learn that chocolate can interfere with the absorption of calcium. He

> won't eat anything green, and most of the other major

> calcium-containing foods that I read about are either not allowed

> (calcium-fortified OJ) or seriously hated. So...(sigh...)

>

> Appreciate any ideas you guys have. Anyone have any recipes using

> Dairifree?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent Coalition.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Just wanted to update you all...

I mixed 1/2 c of Vanilla Nesquick into 2 liters of Vance's DairiFree.

DairiFree is already very low in sugar (2 grams per 8 oz. versus 10

grams in 8 oz. of Rice Dream), so this is not adding a lot of sugar.

It just added a little sweetness. Anyway...HE DRANK IT!! YAY!!!

I don't think the goat's milk will work well with ...my mom used

to give us fresh goat milk when I was a child because my sister was

allergic to cow's milk. She tried every trick and flavor in the book

to disguise that " goat " taste. Nothing could do it. Yecccch. ;-)

> >

> > Goat cheddar or goat mozerella make a great pizza. The tomato sauce

> on the

> > pizza is stronger than the goat taste. Also, if you have an

> icecream maker,

> > goat icecream is yummy (it really is more of a frozen custard--

> you've got

> > to use the eggs because goat milk is so lean). My brother has made a

> > cinnamon icecream with goat milk and the cinnamon camouflaged the goat

> > taste. To get my son to drink the milk, I add just a little vanilla

> > Nesquik. The whole recommended 3 tsp makes a very sweet drink, but

> I use

> > about half or a third of that and it helps downplay the goaty taste

> while

> > adding in the sweetness that you naturally find in cow's milk. The

> Nesquik

> > actually adds calcium too. Also, the fresher the milk the less goat

> taste

> > you'll notice. See if there is a local farm that goes to a farmers

> market

> > or maybe delivers. In central texas, there's White Egret Farm. The

> taste

> > of their milk is far superior to the goat milk you find at the grocery

> > store. It is also unpasteurized so it's got a probiotic benefit to

> top it

> > off. I think goat's milk is gaining popularity so I wouldn't be

> surprised

> > if you find some local farm that is selling fresh goat milk.

> >

> > Hope this helps.

> > April

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, . My son's tests show he does not need more calcium, but I

still worry about it.

Kristy

Calcium

>

>

> Hi all,

>

> I've got a question regarding getting enough calcium into my little

guy.

>

> is 8. From the time he started on the protocol, until about 2

> months ago, he drank Rice Dream with most meals. Dr. G recently told

> me to eliminate Rice Dream because it is made from brown rice.

> Okay...so, soy milk is completely out (because he hates it, and also

> because he has always been borderline sensitive to soy), and he

> recently decided he doesn't like goat milk gouda and cheddar (used to

> be great for grilled cheese and pizza...).

>

> I started buying Vance's Dairifree powder on the internet. He'll have

> it on cereal, and will drink it if I mix it with chocolate syrup. But

> if I try to give it to him plain he gags. Today I was distressed to

> learn that chocolate can interfere with the absorption of calcium. He

> won't eat anything green, and most of the other major

> calcium-containing foods that I read about are either not allowed

> (calcium-fortified OJ) or seriously hated. So...(sigh...)

>

> Appreciate any ideas you guys have. Anyone have any recipes using

> Dairifree?

>

> Thanks in advance,

>

> Donna

>

>

>

>

>

> Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with

> the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the

> opinion of the Research Institute and/or the Parent

Coalition.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's really important to get raw dairy from a good source. If it's from a

healthy farm with high standards, you probably have less to worry about than you

should with the pasturized stuff in the grocery carton!

-

Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote:

April,

Thanks for this... I just have one concern and it's about raw goat's milk...

I worry about viruses or bacteria in the unpasteurized milk. Has anyone

asked Dr. G about this? I have been dying to try a goat cheddar I can now

get locally but have been afraid to because it is made from raw goat milk...

maybe that is not something I need to worry about. It surely would be great

to have a gooey, cheesy slice of pizza again (although we do like it pretty

well with mayonnaise on top!). I have also wondered if I did use the raw

milk on pizza if the heat would kill any viruses or bacteria.

A local pediatrician has told me how much better the flavor of fresh goat

milk is than what we get at the store. He doesn't seem to be worried at all

about using raw milk.

Caroline

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[Guest guest]

Goats milk is closest to human milk in it's composition, and the taste is

actually similar. If you offer a breastfed child goats milk instead of cow's

milk, they will love it. Once they get hooked on the cow's milk, it's harder to

get them to appreciate the taste of the goat's milk.

-

Caroline Glover <sfglover@...> wrote:

Donna,

I wanted to throw in here that one of my boys drinks the goat milk, too (so

does our toddler). They love it. Personally, I find the flavor unpalatable

as a drink, but I love goat milk ice cream (actually it's a frozen custard).

The freezing seems to deaden my taste buds and I don't taste that " goaty "

flavor. We cook a little with it too... in pancakes and quiche I can just

barely taste it... because the quantity of goat milk added is so small, I

suppose.

The hotter the dish, the more I can taste the goat, but it's not all that

noticeable.

I wonder if there is a spice I could add that would " cancel out " the little

goat flavor there is left. If anyone has any ideas...

One funny thing happened recently... our oldest, who is not a patient of Dr.

G, drinks soy milk at home because we don't keep any cow's milk products in

our house. He went somewhere and had a glass of regular milk (he hadn't had

a glass of cow's milk for years). He hated it... he said it tasted " like

cow " . He was just grossed out. Kinda funny. I don't even remember what it

tastes like anymore.

Caroline

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5-20mg per pound per day.

I give my 45 pound kid 500 mg w/ D per day.

So 250-1000 mg a day would be in the range for your child's weight. IF

he is dairy free, probably go towards the middle or higher end.

>

> What would be a suitable dosage of calcium for a 6 yr. oldwho

weighs50

> lbs? Thanks for any info.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> What would be a suitable dosage of calcium for a 6 yr. oldwho weighs50

> lbs? Thanks for any info.

Unless he is deficient or toxic, I would give 500mg.

Dana

[Guest guest]

Well Rhonda, you challenged me, so here it is, from Web MD

" WebMD Health News

April 17, 2000 -- Got milk? New research suggests you should if you want to lose

weight. The study shows that calcium -- three or four daily servings of low-fat

dairy products -- can help adjust your body's fat-burning machinery. The key is

low-fat dairy sources, says lead author Hang Shi, a postdoctoral student in the

Nutrition Institute at the University of Tennessee at Knoxville. " High-fat

dietary calcium can establish obesity, but it's surprising that low-fat calcium

may help reduce body fat, " Shi tells WebMD. " The effect is very significant,

much more than we imagined it would be. " His paper on the effects of a

high-calcium diet in increasing body fat loss was presented at the Experimental

Biology 2000 meeting in San Diego. " The magnitude of the findings was

shocking, " says Zemel, PhD, director of the Nutrition Institute, who is

Shi's co-author and doctoral supervisor.

In their past studies, Zemel and colleagues have shown that calcium stored in

fat cells plays a crucial role in regulating how fat is stored and broken down

by the body. It's thought that the more calcium there is in a fat cell, the more

fat it will burn. The researchers used mice bred to be obese in their current

study. The mice were fed a special high-fat, high-sugar diet for six weeks. All

had a 27% increase in body fat. Some were then switched to a calorie-restricted

diet. Of those, one group was given calcium supplements (calcium carbonate

similar to Tums) and others were fed " medium " and " high " amounts of low-fat dry

milk. Body fat storage was markedly reduced by all three high-calcium diets,

say the authors. "

More here if you are interested:

http://irweb.swmed.edu/chn/naa/tipsheets/ca_wtloss.htm

http://www.weightlossresources.co.uk/weight_loss/weight_loss_tips/milk_calcium.h\

tm

And to think I stopped drinking milk because of flatulence. If I could just get

rid of this gut.

Here's something on calcium and your heartbeat, too.

http://www.healthandage.com/html/res/aging_of_you/content/7.htm#3

This one is from our neighbor, Canada:

http://ww2.heartandstroke.ca/Page.asp?PageID=806 & RecordID=2751 & Src=volunteer & Fro\

m=Category & CategoryID=15

There's lots more out there in cyberland, but this is a good start.

Blessings,

Lottie

[Guest guest]

Supplements. We use New Beginnings Calcium Citrate Chewable and Now Brand

Magnesium Citrate. OurKidsAsd is a good site to check out for supplements as

well as Kirkmans and New Beginnings.

Karla

> > >

> > > I am writing a general post and putting it out to the boards, searching

for answers. Perhaps someone out there has dealt successfully with this issue

where I have struggled.

> > >

> > > Mark is 15 and pretty much recovered. Actually, he just came home

> > > last night from a school trip to France for 12 days and did magnificently!

He didn't regress at all and while he was a bit tired from his travels, his eyes

were glowing and he was full of stories of his adventure.

> > >

> > > BUT, his handwriting, fine motor and paper management skills remain

> > > atrocious. He has come such a long way in this area but it really is not

> > > enough for higher level education. Mark begins high school next year

(grade

> > > 10) and I worry that his lack of handwriting fluency is going to be his

> > > doom. At one point, his hands and wrists were extremely weak and frail

> > > along with the rest of his body. We have spent years in improving his

tone.

> > > The body came in first and now his hands/wrists are nice and strong. I

thought

> > > that in achieving normal hand strength, his fluency would get better....

and it did, a little, but not very much.

> > >

> > > Today, his gross motor is pretty good. He runs regularly, plays on the

> > > football team, wrestles, is currently rowing on crew, skiis (both snow and

water), kneeboards and is extremely

> > > active. This is quite a difference from the young boy who used to fall out

> > > of a chair, his body was so weak!

> > >

> > > Pretty much everything associated with his condition has been overcome. We

> > > have great speech, auditory processing is now good, good attention, memory

and the body is nice and

> > > strong. BUT those hands!

> > >

> > > For him, it is not just with handwriting. It took him until he was 12 in

> > > order to tie his shoes. He struggles with things like chopping veggies,

> > > folding laundry, opening the Glad garbage bag to place it into the bin

> > > (tactility issue on this one), inserting keys in locks to open doors. He

> > > will often write on his loose leaf paper upside down or insert it into his

> > > binder or duo tang backwards or upside down. His handwriting is sloppy and

> > > pretty much illegible. I don't know how his teachers read it! His writing

> > > is slow and laborious. He brings home ZERO notes from class and writes

> > > notes from his textbook onto the computer each night rather then take

notes

> > > from the teacher. He does have a laptop to take to class but refuses to do

> > > so anymore finding it cumbersome and difficult to manage along with the

> > > myriad of textbooks he has to carry around.

> > >

> > > Mark is an excellent reader, always has been and his visual memory is

quite

> > > acute. He tested out at the college level of decoding and reading

> > > comprehension when languishing in special ed in grade 6! So.... I know he

> > > isn't having issues with dyslexia but does have problems sometimes with

> > > visual scanning for objects, ie. an object can be right in front of him

and

> > > he won't see it, he has hyper-peripheral vision which is probably the

'root'

> > > cause of all of this.... or is it visual motor? I just don't know anymore!

> > >

> > > I have done every handwriting program out there to no avail. The best,

> > > really, was Handwriting Without Tears and we did get some improvement with

> > > that program along with Form Drawing by Waldoff. We had repeated the HWT

> > > program a few times before Mark refused to do it anymore. He is DONE,

DONE,

> > > DONE with therapy and just wants to live a regular life now. And he is

> > > doing this but..... I recognize that his lack of handwriting fluency is

> > > about to catch up with him. Today, our therapy now consists in the form of

> > > 'chores' or within the realm of organized sport. While he struggles with

> > > it, I make sure that he participates in cooking dinner, folding laundry,

> > > shoveling the walk, taking out the garbage, making his bed, etc.

> > >

> > > I know that for him, it is a visual motor issue but it seems to be more

> > > concentrated with small items or small movements of the hands and fingers.

> > >

> > > I feel as though I have exhausted the 'list' of things to do for fine

motor,

> > > visual motor and handwriting. I have heard that fencing helps with fine

> > > motor control and know of a club that he could possibly join. Does anyone

out there have

> > > any suggestions of other things we could possibly try within your arsenal

of

> > > experience that I may have overlooked?

> > >

> > > Looking for therapy and/or biomedical suggestions here....

> > >

> > > We are still chelating and 'hoping' that the handwriting will improve but

while everything else has gotten better with chelation, alas, the hands remain a

big problem. It's our last holdout and we won't be DONE with this dreadful

condition until I have recovered his hands completely! I once promised Mark that

I would get 'everything' back for him that was once lost. I am trying very hard

to keep this promise but am getting frustrated in this area....

> > >

> > > Does ANYONE out there have an older child who conquered handwriting and

fine

> > > motor skills later in life? If so, I am ALL ears!!!

> > >

> > > Looking for suggestions,

> > >

> > > Janice

> > > Mother of Mark, severe global dyspraxia/apraxia/ dysarthria/ CAPD, now

'90%'

> > > recovered

> > >

> > >

> > >