SURVIVAL

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HI Vivian:

I hope you can meet those of us from the list who are going to the OCSDA in

May. ALso please bring your husband. It really helped my husband to go to

the OCF conference in St. Louis. He did not want to read any OCD books, I

only had one video about OCD at that time so the sessions were a real

education for him. Ir really helped us get our OCD processing in synch and

cut down on the misunderstandings even more.

If your husband likes to read you might want to get him started on some of

the good OCD informational materials that exist and explain how best to

respond to bizarre OCD behaviors. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H)

kathyh@...

Vivian wrote:

>From: ruth2b4@...

>

>well folks today was too tough. My son almost didn't make it out of the

>house. He has trouble being ready on time and today I couldn't wait

>for him...so I left and instructed him to ride his bike. (he is 15) Well

>his Dad was out in the driveway washing the car and guess what....my son

>couldn't go out to the garage to get his bike because his Dad was there. I

>know one other person on this list who said her son had Dad issues. Well

>when I got home at noon things had started to really deteriorate. My

>husband was fed up, my son was stressed out, and I was in the middle. It

>is so hard to understand what is going on.....we are trying to maintain

>here, but it is hard for my husband to be supportive when our sons

>behavior seems so bizarre. I feel like we lost some ground here. Once my

>son did get out of the house it was 1:00 and he had missed school. Luckily

>he was able to participate in the first track meet of the year. Well

>thanks for letting me vent. I am trying to get to the conf. in May. My

>hope is to get good info. to help with our family and the ocd and related

>issues. I changed my mail address recently...used to be bridport but got

>too much mail now you can reach me at ruth2b4@... Vivian from Wa.

>St.

[Guest guest]

What is the difference between the conf.in May in Ca. and the conf in July

in Wa.?

survival

>From: ruth2b4@...

>

>well folks today was too tough. My son almost didn't make it out of the

house. He has trouble being ready on time and today I couldn't wait for

him...so I left and instructed him to ride his bike. (he is 15) Well his Dad

was out in the driveway washing the car and guess what....my son couldn't go

out to the garage to get his bike because his Dad was there. I know one

other person on this list who said her son had Dad issues. Well when I got

home at noon things had started to really deteriorate. My husband was fed

up, my son was stressed out, and I was in the middle. It is so hard to

understand what is going on.....we are trying to maintain here, but it is

hard for my husband to be supportive when our sons behavior seems so

bizarre. I feel like we lost some ground here. Once my son did get out of

the house it was 1:00 and he had missed school. Luckily he was able to

participate in the first track meet of the year. Well thanks for letting me

vent. I am trying to get to the conf. in May. My hope is to get good info.

to help with our family and the ocd and related issues. I changed my mail

address recently...used to be bridport but got too much mail now you can

reach me at ruth2b4@... Vivian from Wa. St.

>

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Hi Vivian from Wa. St,

I'm really sorry that your husband does not understand the OCD problem. I

thought my husband was the only one! I always contributed that to his very

conservative and traditional family background. SOmetimes, when I talk with

my husband about Chris's OCD problems, I often could not carry too long.

His comments often shows he does not understand the problem and upsets me.

He thinks that is just self-pity with his problem, or this is just

some problem invented by this new modern age and you should work hard to

correct it, etc. Therefore, I just monitor myself most of the time.

Most of my time is to monitor him not to fall into sleep (sedation from the

drug) or distracted. I didn't have to care about his homeworks two years

ago. Now, I'm very much involved (a junior high student). It's very

tiring. Gitting to the school many times is a big task. My mornings often

is stressful, because might not want to go to school and I always try

to make him go. Because of the 504, his first two periods are study halls

and does not go to school until 9am. That's why I'm always late to my

work, my work is one hour away! Whew!

I hope your days are now better, good luck!

TC

ruth2b4@... on 04/22/99 01:08:21 AM

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Subject: survival

From: ruth2b4@...

well folks today was too tough. My son almost didn't make it out of the

house. He has trouble being ready on time and today I couldn't wait

for him...so I left and instructed him to ride his bike. (he is 15) Well

his Dad was out in the driveway washing the car and guess what....my son

couldn't go out to the garage to get his bike because his Dad was there. I

know one other person on this list who said her son had Dad issues. Well

when I got home at noon things had started to really deteriorate. My

husband was fed up, my son was stressed out, and I was in the middle. It is

so hard to understand what is going on.....we are trying to maintain here,

but it is hard for my husband to be supportive when our sons behavior seems

so bizarre. I feel like we lost some ground here. Once my son did get out

of the house it was 1:00 and he had missed school. Luckily he was able to

participate in the first track meet of the year. Well thanks for letting me

vent. I am trying to get to the !

conf. in May. My hope is to get good info. to help with our family and the

ocd and related issues. I changed my mail address recently...used to be

bridport but got too much mail now you can reach me at ruth2b4@...

Vivian from Wa. St.

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[Guest guest]

Hi. Have you looked at the Laetrile/B17 sites on the web? If not, do so.

Good luck,

Ciro291

[Guest guest]

Reading your message makes me realize my cancer is nothing compared to

you. I will pray for you but wish I could do more.

Have a good day.

Star Rider wrote:

I am a single female age 45. DX extremely

aggresive form of breast cancer stage 1 on Nov. 1999. Although a

tumor was partially removed under my arm, was advised that I immediately

needed chemo or would die in less than a year. After much research

and finding all of you wonderful people on this list, I declined the chemo

to the dismay of all my doctors. Then I began a daily regimine of

organic foods, vitamins, ABM mushrooms, Essaic tea, green teas, Ellagic

Acid (past month) and CC/Flax oil. The tumor shrank significantly

down to the size of just a bit larger than a marble by June of this year.

I had tremendous energy and a strong desire to survive. Then the company

I worked for went out of business so my disability ended as well as my

insurance benefits, although I was able to receive unemployment compensation

for awhile. Needless to say, stress began to take it's toll on me,

and soon the bills were unable to be paid and the phone calls came from

banks etc.. I also lost 2 very dear friends during this time.

I tried to remain stress-less.. (yeah, right... how does one do that?)

continued taking my daily "good stuff" that I learned about from this list,

and did a lot of praying. In just 6 weeks, despite all the work I've

done, the tumor has grown to the size of a baseball. Saturday night

and all day yesterday, I was in extreme pain. To the point

of having to drug myself with leftover percocet from last years surgery.

I've called the Cancer clinic in Columbus to see what I need to do

to get in there, but I know they will do what they always do, which is

cut it out once again, and beat me over the head with their chemo beliefs.

I am so dead set against it.. but I don't know how much longer I can go

with this pain. I wanted to go to Mexico for treatment, but got all

confused with the different places available and different treatments offered.

I feel the chemo will certainly push my death as they even told me

the success rate was only 20% with the form of cancer I have. Does

anyone on this list know of or have a recommendation of which clinic to

try? As a firm believer of the dangers of chemo, I want to avoid

that for as long as possible, but it doesn't look like I have much time

left to decide. One more thing that I would like to add here.

Although I've been a quiet "bystander" of this list for the past 7 months,

I feel as though some of you have become my friends. I have very

much enjoyed the information and research that so many of you have shared.

Even the petty disagreements and name "flinging" that has gone on, has

caused me to stop and reflect or even do more research. I look forward

to reading your emails everyday and want to thank all of you for your input

even though I've not corresponded with any of you. Thank you.

Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws,

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At 01:01 PM 10/16/00 -0400, you wrote:

>I am a single female age 45. DX extremely aggresive form of breast cancer

>stage 1 on Nov. 1999. Although a tumor was partially removed under my

>arm, was advised that I immediately needed chemo or would die in less than

>a year. After much research and finding all of you wonderful people on

>this list, I declined the chemo to the dismay of all my doctors. Then I

>began a daily regimine of organic foods, vitamins, ABM mushrooms, Essaic

>tea, green teas, Ellagic Acid (past month) and CC/Flax oil. The tumor

>shrank significantly down to the size of just a bit larger than a marble

>by June of this year. I had tremendous energy and a strong desire to

>survive.

>

>Then the company I worked for went out of business so my disability ended

>as well as my insurance benefits, although I was able to receive

>unemployment compensation for awhile. Needless to say, stress began to

>take it's toll on me, and soon the bills were unable to be paid and the

>phone calls came from banks etc.. I also lost 2 very dear friends during

>this time. I tried to remain stress-less.. (yeah, right... how does one

>do that?) continued taking my daily " good stuff " that I learned about

>from this list, and did a lot of praying.

>

>In just 6 weeks, despite all the work I've done, the tumor has grown to

>the size of a baseball. Saturday night and all day yesterday, I was in

>extreme pain. To the point of having to drug myself with leftover

>percocet from last years surgery. I've called the Cancer clinic in

>Columbus to see what I need to do to get in there, but I know they will do

>what they always do, which is cut it out once again, and beat me over the

>head with their chemo beliefs. I am so dead set against it.. but I don't

>know how much longer I can go with this pain.

>

>I wanted to go to Mexico for treatment, but got all confused with the

>different places available and different treatments offered. I feel the

>chemo will certainly push my death as they even told me the success rate

>was only 20% with the form of cancer I have. Does anyone on this list

>know of or have a recommendation of which clinic to try? As a firm

>believer of the dangers of chemo, I want to avoid that for as long as

>possible, but it doesn't look like I have much time left to decide.

>

>One more thing that I would like to add here. Although I've been a quiet

> " bystander " of this list for the past 7 months, I feel as though some of

>you have become my friends. I have very much enjoyed the information and

>research that so many of you have shared. Even the petty disagreements

>and name " flinging " that has gone on, has caused me to stop and reflect or

>even do more research. I look forward to reading your emails everyday and

>want to thank all of you for your input even though I've not corresponded

>with any of you. Thank you.

>One of the best clinics in Tijuana,Mexico is called the San Diego Clinic,

directed by Dr Munos. Dr Munos trains in Germany and returns regularly for

upgrades. He uses the latest alternatives available with a very high

success rate. He may have room for you but like all other private clinics,

he is expensive. Several thousand $ per week for a minimum 3-4 weeks.

You can e-mail me directly at ben@... and I will give you his

phone number. My best wishes, Ben

http://www.uniserve.com/life/life.htm

PS: There is a NEW non toxic (herbal) cancer drug on the market and I'm

beta testing a natural INEXPENSIVE clone of this new miracle called

ANVIRZEL. You will find info on this on my FORUM below:

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Ph: (604) 856-0171 Fax: (604) 856-3108 CANADA

ANVIRZEL FORUM:

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At 12:36 AM 10/17/00 -0400, you wrote:

>Hi. Have you looked at the Laetrile/B17 sites on the web? If not, do

>so. Good luck, Ciro291

YOu can find Laetrile research on my URL at:

http://www.uniserve.com/life/life.htm click on LAETRILE - Mexico

[Guest guest]

Your story really made me think. But as I re-read it, it leaps out at me underlining the mental-emotional component of cancer and probably all diseases. Your mental state and attitude can override the best of nutrition and diet. Harnessing the same power of thought and realization of your own body's capacity to overcome this invading cancer is the solution. How you bring it about is another question. Guided visualization of your white blood cells surrounding the cancer cells and destroyng it like a pac-man is one way. Using Carrot and Green vegetable juices from spinach, swiss chard, collards etc. will help supply the necessari caroteinoids fo help your body in its fight which you can energize with the visualization techniques. You can and will be able to do it because of the sensible strong person you are.

Good luck,

Arnold

Survival

I am a single female age 45. DX extremely aggresive form of breast cancer stage 1 on Nov. 1999. Although a tumor was partially removed under my arm, was advised that I immediately needed chemo or would die in less than a year. After much research and finding all of you wonderful people on this list, I declined the chemo to the dismay of all my doctors. Then I began a daily regimine of organic foods, vitamins, ABM mushrooms, Essaic tea, green teas, Ellagic Acid (past month) and CC/Flax oil. The tumor shrank significantly down to the size of just a bit larger than a marble by June of this year. I had tremendous energy and a strong desire to survive.

Then the company I worked for went out of business so my disability ended as well as my insurance benefits, although I was able to receive unemployment compensation for awhile. Needless to say, stress began to take it's toll on me, and soon the bills were unable to be paid and the phone calls came from banks etc.. I also lost 2 very dear friends during this time. I tried to remain stress-less.. (yeah, right... how does one do that?) continued taking my daily "good stuff" that I learned about from this list, and did a lot of praying.

In just 6 weeks, despite all the work I've done, the tumor has grown to the size of a baseball. Saturday night and all day yesterday, I was in extreme pain. To the point of having to drug myself with leftover percocet from last years surgery. I've called the Cancer clinic in Columbus to see what I need to do to get in there, but I know they will do what they always do, which is cut it out once again, and beat me over the head with their chemo beliefs. I am so dead set against it.. but I don't know how much longer I can go with this pain.

I wanted to go to Mexico for treatment, but got all confused with the different places available and different treatments offered. I feel the chemo will certainly push my death as they even told me the success rate was only 20% with the form of cancer I have. Does anyone on this list know of or have a recommendation of which clinic to try? As a firm believer of the dangers of chemo, I want to avoid that for as long as possible, but it doesn't look like I have much time left to decide.

One more thing that I would like to add here. Although I've been a quiet "bystander" of this list for the past 7 months, I feel as though some of you have become my friends. I have very much enjoyed the information and research that so many of you have shared. Even the petty disagreements and name "flinging" that has gone on, has caused me to stop and reflect or even do more research. I look forward to reading your emails everyday and want to thank all of you for your input even though I've not corresponded with any of you. Thank you.

Get HUGE info at http://www.cures for cancer.ws, and post your own links there. Unsubscribe by sending email to cures for cancer-unsubscribeegroups or by visiting http://www.bobhurt.com/subunsub.mv

[Guest guest]

Ozone works because it delivers more oxygen to the cells, but it can be

dangerous and costly. A simpler, safer and possibly more effective form of

oxygen therapy is something called rebounding. It changed my life. I thought

it was the cure for AIDS when I still believed in the virus. For more info

check out sobehealthy.com.

Won't get into the urine here. Might piss too many people off.

[Guest guest]

Rebound'g requires one to be healthy enough to jump. I am not. Besides,

Ozone does more than deliver oxygen. That is its secondary function.

primaryly it introduces O3 into the body. For some reason O3 recognises

foreign cells in the body, cozy ups to them and explodes, destroy'g them and

leave'g behind O2 which inhibits the rest of them from reproduce'g.

Shur it costs some to obtain the equipment but after that the unit cost for

each treatment is mere pennies. Pool money amongst friends and everybody

heals from everything forever!

kevin

Re: survival

> Ozone works because it delivers more oxygen to the cells, but it can be

dangerous and costly. A simpler, safer and possibly more effective form of

oxygen therapy is something called rebounding. It changed my life. I

thought it was the cure for AIDS when I still believed in the virus. For

more info check out sobehealthy.com.

>

> Won't get into the urine here. Might piss too many people off.

>

>

>

> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

You needn't be healthy enough to jump in order to benefit from a rebounder. If

you can stand, with some assistance, you can hold on to the stabilizer bar on

good rebounder and just let your body jiggle gently up and down. The body

changes direction about 120 times per minute. Although this isn't strenuous, it

pumps the lymphatic-immune system up to 20 times it's normal rate of flow,

producing remarkable health benefits.

There are even documented cases of people who were unable to stand, who sat on

the rebounder, or rested their legs on the rebounder, while someone else stood

and did the exercise. Even this passive rebounding produces results.

Eventually the patient is able to rebound on his own.

If you're saying you're too weak to stand with some assistance,it hardly sounds

like your ozone therapy is doing much for your health.

In all the decades I've been promoting rebounding and selling them with a

money-back guarantee, I've only had one returned by a fat lady who was too lazy

to even open the box it was shipped in. Everyone who has used my rebounders for

health problems has seen dramatic results in less than 3 weeks.

for more info see sobehealthy.com

In a message dated Fri, 10 May 2002  5:04:23 PM Eastern Daylight Time, "

Murtha " <kevin2s@...> writes:

>Rebound'g requires one to be healthy enough to jump. I am not.  Besides,

>Ozone does more than deliver oxygen.  That is its secondary function.

>primaryly it introduces O3 into the body.  For some reason O3 recognises

>foreign cells in the body, cozy ups to them and explodes, destroy'g them and

>leave'g behind O2 which inhibits the rest of them from reproduce'g.

>Shur it costs some to obtain the equipment but after that the unit cost for

>each treatment is mere pennies.  Pool money amongst friends and everybody

>heals from everything forever!

>kevin

> Re: survival

>

>

>> Ozone works because it delivers more oxygen to the cells, but it can be

>dangerous and costly.  A simpler, safer and possibly more effective form of

>oxygen therapy is something called rebounding.  It changed my life.  I

>thought it was the cure for AIDS when I still believed in the virus.  For

>more info check out sobehealthy.com.

>>

>> Won't get into the urine here.  Might piss too many people off.

>>

>>

>>

>> Read AIDS-Cured

[Guest guest]

Sharon Heddles <smheddles@...> wrote:

Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2005 17:42:58 -0700 (PDT)From: Sharon Heddles <smheddles@...>Subject: Fwd: SURVIVALBarbara Knight <kk92@...>, Diane Myers <dlmyers1960@...>,Barbara Shaub <bshaub@...>,JT Tesareski <resqfog@...>,a <paulawilliams@...>,Marie Zapalac <mzapa51844@...>

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[Guest guest]

Hey Group. . .

, I shall be saying Xtra Prayer for U and your hubby during this stage of

your pregnancy & survival. I have to agree with Tracey, you are with some of the

best H/O for our Survival and they should be able to give you Answers to ALL

questions and concerns that you and your husband have during this time regarding

your Survival & Pregnancy. . .

 

Terry, loved your rant; reminded me of when I told my PCP I would like to have

sleeping pills refilled that H/O had prescribed after diagnosis; he suggested

that I enroll in a 'sleep clinic'. Also, when I had Ortho Surgery, the

OS~~Orthopedic Surgeon had a 1/4 Million dollar X-ray machine and 1/2 Million

dollar blood clot machine employed after I asked for $12.00 surgical hose. His

comment to me. . . " the hose don't stop blood clots from developing after

surgery " . My retort. . .  " the only thing the machines did was bill my insurance

company exorbitant $$$$$ " .

Gay, I agree with your post to Sharon; Imodium was the only medication that

worked for my diarrhea and all the other gastric issues: bloating/bubbling,noisy

tummy/etc. For nausea, after trying Compazine and 4 other medications; Zofran,

which is formulated for Cancer patient nausea; was the only medication that

calmed my tummy. Except for the Marijuana, which allowed me and other Survivors

to eat, retain our nutritious food, and gain the needed pounds that we lost

after becoming Survivors.

We are the Pioneers for Survivors in the future and We didn't have 2nd & 3

generation medications to take for a 'side-effect'; it was our Gold~~Gleevec!

Now H/O~~Hematologists/Oncologists are determining that a Survivor has failed or

became intolerant to Gleevec due to a side effect; placing the Survivor on

Sprycel/other 2nd or 3 generation medication within weeks/months. The Survivors

are having Lung/Heart issues

.. . .PE/CHF. The H/O are also using these medications as initial~~1st line

treatment after diagnosis. Like my Hero, I am glad there weren't ALL these

medications available when I was diagnosed. . . less is best. Especially when

one line of treatment may make it impossible for a Survivor to be treated by the

#1 chemo therapy medication.

This is FYI/my 2 cents only. I am not a Doctor, never portrayed one on TV; nor

do I aspire to be a Physician in another life. , ,Take care, I have All in my

prayers.

" K "

" I AIN'T FINISHED YET " !!!