Re: Fw: Response to MSO attack

[Guest guest]

Dear Ronen,

I think that he is selling salt water.

Best of Health!

Dr. Saul Pressman, DCh

Response to MSO attack

> >

> >

> > > Dear ,

> > >

> > > As RJ has written you, part of the compositional element in the MSO is

> > > sodium chloride (NaCl) or simple salt, not sodium chlorite (NaClO2)

> > > which is a strong oxidizing agent and is an irritant to skin and

tissue

> > > - there is a vast difference. Sodium Chloride is part of the

> > > catalyst/carrier mechanism of the MSO and certainly adding drops of it

> > > to a glass of water is neither dangerous to one's health nor an

irritant

> > > to tissue.

> > >

> > > There is in addition a proprietary process of adding Activated Oxygen

TM

> > > molecules which deliver nascent oxygen to the body. This product has

> > > gone through extensive laboratory tests which show increased oxygen

> > > saturation levels through penetration of the cellular membranes

entering

> > > onto the blood plasma. These tests can be provided at any time. The

> > > product is a safe and efficient oral oxygen delivery system and is not

> > > an oxidative reagent, but an active stable oxygen. It is processed and

> > > strictly regulated under U.S.F.D.A. and U.S. O.S.H.A. sanitary

standards

> > > established for the manufacturing of nutrients, supplements and food

> > > products for human consumption.

> > >

> > > There is little doubt that USP H2O2 is another efficient oral oxygen

> > > delivery system. However, one must take it under specific protocols so

> > > that there is a complete absence of any iron in the digestive system

as

> > > the O2 is a highly reactive oxidizing agent. Studies show that Super

> > > Free Radicals, which are extremely dangerous, occur when an oral

dilute

> > > of H2O2 comes in contact with any iron. For this reason, H2O2 is not a

> > > safe, easy to use oxygen delivery system - instead it must be taken

> > > under the strictest protocol of an empty stomach - like first thing in

> > > the morning and one cannot eat for a while afterwards or a couple

hours

> > > after eating - not necesarilly the easiest regimine to follow - one

> > > that limits the individual, especially in a possible emergency need.

> > >

> > > MSO is safe to take at any time.

> > >

> > > Respectfully submitted,

> > > Kulish, Magnetizer

> > >

>

> Please tell me what you think now.

> Ronen.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

MS0 and DMSO as wel as DMPS and DMSA can be quite toxic, especially for people

with impaired liver function. These people are not able to deal with sulfer

containing foods, especially concentrated intake of sulfer can cause H2S

gassing, which is a very poisonous reaction in the body

Here one of the several documents I have on this:

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Gentle People,

This letter could have links to many prior letters, which, if followed as

written, might result in the accidental formation of an extremely poisonous

nerve gas, DMSO4, especially if one of Ray's warnings was ignored, about not

using DMSO to " carry " other compounds into the body. If mixing DMSO with

H2O2 (hydrogen peroxide) could oxygenate the DMSO to make a tiny amount of

DMSO4, death could result.

The Discovery Channel (cable) recently featured a program called, THE NEW

DETECTIVES: CASE STUDIES IN FORENSIC SCIENCE, subtitled " Lethal Dosage " .

This program examined the events surrounding a case in which emergency room

personnel collapsed, having breathing problems, while trying to treat a

woman. The affected doctor and nurses had to be evacuated to other

hospitals. The original patient died. The employing hospital declared it

was " Mass hysteria " , which infuriated the affected staff. A deeper analysis

was attempted.

The original patient was a cancer patient who came in by ambulance with

critical respiratory problems. She had been given oxygen by paramedics, and

this was being continued. She had been using DMSO, had an oily sheen on her

skin from DMSO, and a smell similar to garlic, which is associated with

DMSO. She had DMSO in her blood, as well as DMSO2, which is regarded as

non-toxic. The investigator theorized that the only way she could have

gotten DMSO2 was by oxygenating DMSO when she was given oxygen. He further

theorized that similar oxygenation of DMSO2 could form DMSO4, which is

extremely poisonous

nerve gas. However, he was unable to duplicate that in the laboratory, and

further suspected that some catalytic process was missing. He was using O2

in his experiment, however.

Prasado's comment quoted above, brings to mind the question of whether the

original patient had tried to treat her cancer (she had been previously

diagnosed as terminal) by mixing DMSO with H202. Certainly, as H2O2 loses

an oxygen atom, a single oxygen atom is much more eager to combine with

other chemicals than O2 is. The NEW DETECTIVES did not examine this

possibility.

The moral to the story is, other people could be endangered as well as the

original patient, as a result of unwary chemistry experiments.

I sincerely hope that this helps keep someone from getting killed.

earl

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Be carefull

Regards

Doedens

Ronen wrote:

> Hello, List People...

>

> Here is the response I got from Magnetizer - perhaps not only I can learn

> new things.

>

> > Ronen,

> > Here is 's answer. The person has mistaken sodium chloride for sodium

> > chlorite. Please read on.

>

> > Subject: Response to MSO attack

> >

> >

> > > Dear ,

> > >

> > > As RJ has written you, part of the compositional element in the MSO is

> > > sodium chloride (NaCl) or simple salt, not sodium chlorite (NaClO2)

> > > which is a strong oxidizing agent and is an irritant to skin and tissue

> > > - there is a vast difference. Sodium Chloride is part of the

> > > catalyst/carrier mechanism of the MSO and certainly adding drops of it

> > > to a glass of water is neither dangerous to one's health nor an irritant

> > > to tissue.

> > >

> > > There is in addition a proprietary process of adding Activated Oxygen TM

> > > molecules which deliver nascent oxygen to the body. This product has

> > > gone through extensive laboratory tests which show increased oxygen

> > > saturation levels through penetration of the cellular membranes entering

> > > onto the blood plasma. These tests can be provided at any time. The

> > > product is a safe and efficient oral oxygen delivery system and is not

> > > an oxidative reagent, but an active stable oxygen. It is processed and

> > > strictly regulated under U.S.F.D.A. and U.S. O.S.H.A. sanitary standards

> > > established for the manufacturing of nutrients, supplements and food

> > > products for human consumption.

> > >

> > > There is little doubt that USP H2O2 is another efficient oral oxygen

> > > delivery system. However, one must take it under specific protocols so

> > > that there is a complete absence of any iron in the digestive system as

> > > the O2 is a highly reactive oxidizing agent. Studies show that Super

> > > Free Radicals, which are extremely dangerous, occur when an oral dilute

> > > of H2O2 comes in contact with any iron. For this reason, H2O2 is not a

> > > safe, easy to use oxygen delivery system - instead it must be taken

> > > under the strictest protocol of an empty stomach - like first thing in

> > > the morning and one cannot eat for a while afterwards or a couple hours

> > > after eating - not necesarilly the easiest regimine to follow - one

> > > that limits the individual, especially in a possible emergency need.

> > >

> > > MSO is safe to take at any time.

> > >

> > > Respectfully submitted,

> > > Kulish, Magnetizer

> > >

>

> Please tell me what you think now.

> Ronen.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Nice peace of condescension, Dear Jim... If nothing more than that...

> Ronen,

>

> In the first place, regarding your subject line, there has been no

> attack. If you feel you were attacked, take a few slow, deep breaths and

> think of something that gives you a bellylaugh! You are taking small

> matters much too seriously. ;-)

So, what may constitute an attack? I mean, except in expressing

un-established opinions and presenting them as facts? Please tell me, so I

won't ever make that mistake again...

>

> And, " we " did not mistake NaCl for NaClO2. You began by calling it

> sodium chlorite, and that is why several of us responded as we did. If

> you had said sodium chloride originally, I would have responded thusly:

>

Dear Jim - it is not I that said that, but your guru, Dr. Pressman...

Better address that sentence to him...

> Of all the liquid oxygen supplement products on the market the only kind

> I find suspicious as to efficacy are the ones that contain, essentially,

> just sodium chloride. They claim some " proprietary process " that will

> oxygenate the bloodstream but don't explain how, and all they contain is

> table salt.

Well, did you happen to notice their claim to having FDA approval, or lab

reports? Why not ask for them, and study them, just as you suggested to me

to learn from your archives...

>

> IMO, the government is not always wrong. Several companies making this

> kind of product were shut down & kicked off the net, I believe by the

> FTC, because they couldn't show their product did what they claimed.

> Mind, this is not the government disagreeing with an alternative

> therapy, this is the government saying they are essentailly just selling

> salt water while making claims they can't support!

>

Well, I thought you saw they have an FDA approval...

> None of the companies making this kind of product has yet given the

> public anything but a promise that their product works. They don't tell

> us how it works, just " trust them, it does. " Well, I don't trust them! I

> have wasted enough time trying to run down what/how/why their product is

> supposed to work. If someone wants to tell me this stuff works I want

> them to begin by saying how.

Nice opinions. I'm not talking about all these companies, only on one,

whose research, procedures and products had proven themselves... So...

>

> I do not know that this MSO product is like the ones I described, but in

> liquid oxidizers I feel they are suspect until proven good. MSO may have

> other stuff in it besides salt. With all due respect, unless you have

> something from this company that explains what MSO contains or how salt

> water will oxygenate us, you have to understand that on this subject you

> are in a position similar to someone selling snake oil to a group of

> people who happen to be pretty darn savvy about that particular snake.

> ;-)

It is obvious you do not know that. Well, as for myself, I DO try to learn

what I don't know... Write them, ask their reports, just as I did. I did

not respond untill I got theirs, didn't I???

>

> jim

>

Ronen.

> Ronen wrote:

> >

> > Hello, List People...

> >

> > Here is the response I got from Magnetizer - perhaps not only I can

learn

> > new things.

> >

> > > Ronen,

> > > Here is 's answer. The person has mistaken sodium chloride for

sodium

> > > chlorite. Please read on.

> >

> > > Subject: Response to MSO attack

> > >

> > >

> > > > Dear ,

> > > >

> > > > As RJ has written you, part of the compositional element in the MSO

is

> > > > sodium chloride (NaCl) or simple salt, not sodium chlorite (NaClO2)

>

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>

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>

>

> OxyPLUS is an unmoderated e-ring dealing with oxidative therapies, and

other alternative self-help subjects.

>

> THERE IS NO MEDICAL ADVICE HERE!

>

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are for information and research purposes only. We are people sharing

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[Guest guest]

Ronen,

Sorry, you picked the wrong day. I don't feel like changing emotional

diapers today, so I'll be blunt.

It is necessary to condescend when talking to someone with a

disputational style such as yours, because you are too juvenile to treat

as an adult. You seem to have convinced yourself. Be satisfied with

that.

You affinity for snide insinuation is too tiresome to deal with, so I

won't. Please get an education on the subject before you try to educate

this list on oxidative therapies.

jim

Ronen wrote:

>

> Nice peace of condescension, Dear Jim... If nothing more than that...

>

> > Ronen,

> >

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