Guest guest Posted February 21, 2001 Report Share Posted February 21, 2001 Donna Maybe the cfs was caused by the non-meat diet? If your heart responded well to meat, could it be that there are nutritional factors in meat that we require that aren't available elsewhere? I was a vegetarian of the various permutations for about 8 years. My health slowly deteriorated. A mostly raw meat, cultured dairy, fruits and veggies diet for several recent years has changed things dramatically for me. Lowest and strongest heart rate for years. Consider going to raw meat. It is much more nutritious and more easliy digested than cooked. And, the scare stories we've heard about bacteria in raw meat are nonsense. I recently read a book: " Scalp Dance. " About the epic battles between the Plains Indians and the US Cavalry. The soldiers reported on how the Indians ate their killed buffalo. They would gorge themselves on the spot with the raw liver and tongue of the beast. Most of the muscle meat would be dried and also eaten raw. The Plains Indians were very fierce, nasty and formidable warriors. The soldiers had to summon their courage to fight them. Probably because they cooked their meat. Corny ************************************************************************* ******** From: " Donna " Just want to add my two cents. I was a vegetarian for about 20 years and was rarely ill. Never had a cold. (two in my whole life) I did not enjoy meat and did not miss it. And then I became critically ill with cfs and meat protein was the only thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest. I have to have meat everyday even now, when I am almost well, or I still get major stress in chest. And I enjoy meat now. I see a buffalo and my mouth waters. Never the less. I would love to go back to vegetarianism because I just don't like the whole slaughter house thing; I think it is so not done in an honorable fashion and I can't do my own slaughtering, but my body just won't go for it. So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very well without meat and others would perish. I think it is best to allow people the grace to decide for themselves and not get militant about it. Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Corny, While I'm not planning on any immediate need for energy to fight off the US Cavalry, I would like to know more about eating raw meat. Do you have any sources that deal with the potential health risks/benefits? Eating a wild animal (who managed to survive without the " benefit " of manufactured feed and antibiotics) it far different from the average meat available to us today. I assume you are referring to Organically raised meat. I personally eat a fair amount of Sushi (I also " Zap " and run parasite frequencies on my Rife machine quite frequently, as well as eating my share of raw pumpkin seeds, to address the possible parasite challenges). With a little more information I might give " slurping " up some raw meat a try, although I must admit it doesn't sound too appetizing. Thanks Dave Perkins " enjoy being " email: dperkins@... web site: www.betterwayhealth.com meat and cfs > Donna > Maybe the cfs was caused by the non-meat diet? If your heart responded > well to meat, could it be that there are nutritional factors in meat that > we require that aren't available elsewhere? I was a vegetarian of the > various permutations for about 8 years. My health slowly deteriorated. > A mostly raw meat, cultured dairy, fruits and veggies diet for several > recent years has changed things dramatically for me. Lowest and > strongest heart rate for years. > > Consider going to raw meat. It is much more nutritious and more easliy > digested than cooked. And, the scare stories we've heard about bacteria > in raw meat are nonsense. I recently read a book: " Scalp Dance. " About > the epic battles between the Plains Indians and the US Cavalry. The > soldiers reported on how the Indians ate their killed buffalo. They > would gorge themselves on the spot with the raw liver and tongue of the > beast. Most of the muscle meat would be dried and also eaten raw. The > Plains Indians were very fierce, nasty and formidable warriors. The > soldiers had to summon their courage to fight them. Probably because > they cooked their meat. > > Corny > > > ***************************************************************** ******** > ******** > From: " Donna " > > Just want to add my two cents. > > I was a vegetarian for about 20 years and was rarely ill. Never had a > cold. (two in my whole life) I did not enjoy meat and did not miss it. > > And then I became critically ill with cfs and meat protein was the only > thing that would keep my heart from pounding out of my chest. I have to > have meat everyday even now, when I am almost well, or I still get major > stress in chest. And I enjoy meat now. I see a buffalo and my mouth > waters. > > Never the less. I would love to go back to vegetarianism because I just > don't like the whole slaughter house thing; I think it is so not done in > an honorable fashion and I can't do my own slaughtering, but my body > just won't go for it. > > So, I think it is a personal body issue. Some people do seem to do very > well without meat and others would perish. > > I think it is best to allow people the grace to decide for themselves and > not get militant about it. > > Donna > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 >> The Plains Indians were very fierce, nasty and formidable warriors. Maybe this is from eating raw meat?! Maybe if they were all vegetarians they would be more peaceable! J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 J I think you are right, if some of those Plains tribes had stopped eating that raw meat, started dining more on the roots, berries and veggies, then they would probably have become less aggressive and more docile (much like the veges we see around us today). They would then have been immediately annihilated by the neighboring tribes that still consumed the raw meat. This is what the Plains Indians had always done: raid the neighbors for scalps, livestock, and slaves. The more robust and aggressive the tribal members, the better chances for survival. I think we should all take a lesson from that. Corny On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 12:26:54 -0800 <jackson@...> writes: > >> The Plains Indians were very fierce, nasty and formidable > warriors. > > Maybe this is from eating raw meat?! Maybe if they were all > vegetarians > they would be more peaceable! J. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2001 Report Share Posted February 22, 2001 Corny, They didn't eat their neighbors. The just scalped them, which was really an ego thing, to show how many people they killed. ANytime you get down to skinheads there is something wrong going on, no matter how it manifests!?! Somebody provin' he be a badass, nothin' more! What did they really eat & why? Was it meat that made them bad? No! They ate what they could find. Period! Nothing more and nothing less. That is what made them both fierce -- and fed! And, for the vegetarians, warlike. Let vegetarians starve for a while, then judge them! ;-) jim Mike E Cornwall wrote: > This is what the Plains Indians had always done: > raid the neighbors for scalps, livestock, and slaves. > Corny > ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2001 Report Share Posted February 23, 2001 Dave, Not only is " slurping " up some raw meat appetizing, I'm about to go have my breakfast: raw hamburger with lemon/garlic/cayenne sauce. YUM! Words simply do not express the appetite I have for raw meat compared to eating cooked breakfast in the past. his is the first food I have eaten that really FEELS LIKE IT IS NOURISHING me! jim Dave Perkins wrote: > > Corny, > With a little more information I might > give " slurping " up some raw meat a try, although I must admit it > doesn't sound too appetizing. > > Thanks > > Dave Perkins ----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 25, 2001 Report Share Posted February 25, 2001 Jim Well, yes, the Plains Indian warriors scalped the members of the opposing tribe for ego, but also for other important reasons: status within their own tribe (the more scalps, the higher the likely ranking), and just as important, to reduce the number of warriors in the rival tribe, so their would be less likelihood of a successful retaliation. Being scalped was almost always enough to kill a man. But, the warriors almost always made sure of the kill with a " hatchet job. " If they had the time and opportunity, they would usually precede the killing with some prolonged torture of the most devilish kind, mostly for amusement. I agree that raw meat-eating didn't make them " bad. " It just gave them the opportunity to be at their peak, physically and mentally, which is where they needed to be to survive in that environment. Corny On Thu, 22 Feb 2001 23:36:06 -0500 Jim Lambert <jlambert@...> writes: > Corny, > > They didn't eat their neighbors. The just scalped them, which was > really > an ego thing, to show how many people they killed. ANytime you get > down > to skinheads there is something wrong going on, no matter how it > manifests!?! Somebody provin' he be a badass, nothin' more! > > What did they really eat & why? Was it meat that made them bad? No! > They > ate what they could find. Period! Nothing more and nothing less. > That is > what made them both fierce -- and fed! And, for the vegetarians, > warlike. > > Let vegetarians starve for a while, then judge them! ;-) > > jim > > Mike E Cornwall wrote: > > > This is what the Plains Indians had always done: > > raid the neighbors for scalps, livestock, and slaves. > > Corny > > > ----- > carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert > > jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience > http://www.entrance.to/poetry > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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