Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 Jim--I thought the info. about the heart nerves and stopping a heart attack was pertinent. I will have to learn more about that. Yesterday a bus driver in the SF Bay Area had a heart attack while driving a bus with a team from Florida. He shouldn't have been driving commercially with a past history of heart problems. The team coaches managed to get the bus off the road without a wreck, but the driver didn't survive. I was wondering if such a thing could have kept the bus driver alive? J. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 10, 2001 Report Share Posted February 10, 2001 , Yes, it can save lives, though not all lives can be saved. Some heart attacks are too massive for this, but one is never without it. The Chinese have used it for thousands of years. jim wrote: I was wondering if such a thing could have kept the bus driver alive? > J. >----- carpe diem, carpe pecunia, carpe femina. -- Jim Lambert jlambert@... http://www.entrance.to/madscience http://www.entrance.to/poetry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 I had the same problem so I researched it and wrote this: http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not-bad-thing-we-thi\ nk-it.html Hello, I was talking with a friend who is very concerned about her high cholesterol of over 300. I guess the good cholesterol is higher then the bad, but her doctor wants her on medicine right away. I don't know the exact numbers. She told me this news because we normally split a grass fed beef each spring and she is not sure about eating so much beef now. I have shared my Nourishing Traditions book with her, but she's not fully convinced about saturated fats. She was wondering what causes a heart attack if it's not caused by high cholesterol and I have no idea. Can someone explain to me in very simple language (I'm educated, but apparently not as well as most of you!) why people get heart attacks and why doctors think high cholesterol causes it? Thank you so much! Judy ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 If you go on the WAPF website and go to ask the doctor, Dr. Cowan explains when you should be concerned about the number. I think she would feel better if she read that as it is all in the numbers. Allyn _____ From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of webriter Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:59 AM Subject: Re: heart attacks I had the same problem so I researched it and wrote this: http://to-reverse- <http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not-bad-thing-w e-think-it.html> diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not-bad-thing-we-think-it.html Hello, I was talking with a friend who is very concerned about her high cholesterol of over 300. I guess the good cholesterol is higher then the bad, but her doctor wants her on medicine right away. I don't know the exact numbers. She told me this news because we normally split a grass fed beef each spring and she is not sure about eating so much beef now. I have shared my Nourishing Traditions book with her, but she's not fully convinced about saturated fats. She was wondering what causes a heart attack if it's not caused by high cholesterol and I have no idea. Can someone explain to me in very simple language (I'm educated, but apparently not as well as most of you!) why people get heart attacks and why doctors think high cholesterol causes it? Thank you so much! Judy ---------------------------------------------------------- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Thank you Katy. Understanding this cholesterol business is a very complicated thing isn't it? That's why I don't think I will bother getting mine tested, then I don't have to worry about it. Judy --- In , " webriter " <webriter@...> wrote: > > > I had the same problem so I researched it and wrote this: > http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not-bad- thing-we-think-it.html > > > Hello, > I was talking with a friend who is very concerned about her high > cholesterol of over 300. I guess the good cholesterol is higher then > the bad, but her doctor wants her on medicine right away. I don't know > the exact numbers. > > She told me this news because we normally split a grass fed beef each > spring and she is not sure about eating so much beef now. I have > shared my Nourishing Traditions book with her, but she's not fully > convinced about saturated fats. > > She was wondering what causes a heart attack if it's not caused by high > cholesterol and I have no idea. Can someone explain to me in very > simple language (I'm educated, but apparently not as well as most of > you!) why people get heart attacks and why doctors think high > cholesterol causes it? > Thank you so much! > Judy > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Thank you Allyn. I'll send this on to my friend, see if the numbers come out well for her. Thanks, Judy > > If you go on the WAPF website and go to ask the doctor, Dr. Cowan explains > when you should be concerned about the number. I think she would feel > better if she read that as it is all in the numbers. > Allyn > > > _____ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of webriter > Sent: Monday, February 04, 2008 11:59 AM > > Subject: Re: heart attacks > > > > > I had the same problem so I researched it and wrote this: > http://to-reverse- > <http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not- bad-thing-w > e-think-it.html> > diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not-bad-thing-we-think- it.html > > Hello, > I was talking with a friend who is very concerned about her high > cholesterol of over 300. I guess the good cholesterol is higher then > the bad, but her doctor wants her on medicine right away. I don't know > the exact numbers. > > She told me this news because we normally split a grass fed beef each > spring and she is not sure about eating so much beef now. I have > shared my Nourishing Traditions book with her, but she's not fully > convinced about saturated fats. > > She was wondering what causes a heart attack if it's not caused by high > cholesterol and I have no idea. Can someone explain to me in very > simple language (I'm educated, but apparently not as well as most of > you!) why people get heart attacks and why doctors think high > cholesterol causes it? > Thank you so much! > Judy > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 > 1:50 PM > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Actually I hear the HDL levels should be over 150 to keep from getting cancer, I don't understand the connection, but I was told that by a researcher. You know how they get to talking about mitochondrial stuff and your eyes glaze over and your brain starts looking for escape???? Well, anyway,that's what I remember from what she said. Thank you Katy. Understanding this cholesterol business is a very complicated thing isn't it? That's why I don't think I will bother getting mine tested, then I don't have to worry about it. Judy > > > I had the same problem so I researched it and wrote this: > http://to-reverse-diabetes.blogspot.com/2008/01/cholesterol-not-bad- thing-we-think-it.html > > > Hello, > I was talking with a friend who is very concerned about her high > cholesterol of over 300. I guess the good cholesterol is higher then > the bad, but her doctor wants her on medicine right away. I don't know > the exact numbers. > > She told me this news because we normally split a grass fed beef each > spring and she is not sure about eating so much beef now. I have > shared my Nourishing Traditions book with her, but she's not fully > convinced about saturated fats. > > She was wondering what causes a heart attack if it's not caused by high > cholesterol and I have no idea. Can someone explain to me in very > simple language (I'm educated, but apparently not as well as most of > you!) why people get heart attacks and why doctors think high > cholesterol causes it? > Thank you so much! > Judy > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------- ---------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.19.19/1256 - Release Date: 2/2/2008 1:50 PM > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2008 Report Share Posted February 4, 2008 Hi Judy, > She was wondering what causes a heart attack if it's not caused by high > cholesterol and I have no idea. Can someone explain to me in very > simple language (I'm educated, but apparently not as well as most of > you!) why people get heart attacks and why doctors think high > cholesterol causes it? There are probably a number of things that contribute to heart attacks, like arrhythmia and spasms, but the main cause according to mainstream theory is atherosclerosis. Plaques build up on the arterial walls, and then this plaque becomes complex, calcified and fibrous lesions in some places. Then a piece of the lesion breaks off, causing a clot to form in the area, and the clot causes the heart attack. One of the causes is soft tissues calcification. This may be partly driven by magnesium deficiency but seems to be especially driven by a deficiency of vitamin K2, which is responsible for soft tissue calcification. Also, cell death in the arterial wall and the accumulation of debris from dead cells results in centers of calcified plaque being formed around the debris. Both cell survival and the ability to rapidly clean up the debris are supported by vitamin K2. The accumulation of oxidized LDL into white blood cells called macrophages is a major culprit in the inflammatory process and causally contributes to the disease process, including the formation of fibrous plaques and the weakening of the fibrous caps that leads to clotting. Also, and perhaps more importantly, oxidized LDL inhibits nitric oxide synthesis, and nitric oxidie inhibits the formation of atherosclerotic plaques at nearly every point. When LDL oxidizes, it is the polyunsaturated fatty acids (PUFAs) in its membrane that are the first target. Oxidation of PUFAs then leads to oxidation of the rest of the particle. Inflammation also interferes with nitric oxide functioning. Inflammation is correlated with cholesterol, so part of the correlation with cholesterol reflects the role of inflammation. The other part of the correlation reflects the causal participation of oxidized LDL. Red meat when it is not overcooked contains carnosine, a powerful anti-glycating agent. Glycation is when LDL (or other substances) gets sugars attached to it. High blood sugar leads to glycation of LDL which has a similar effect as oxidation of LDL. I would think quality red meat cooked medium or medium rare would be helpful. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2008 Report Share Posted February 5, 2008 Chris... thank you so much for this information! I'll pass it on to my friend and see if it helps her out in her decision to take cholesterol medicine or not. I really appreciate your time. Thank you, Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Dear Bob, We are all glad you made it back then 22 years ago. Like you, I didn't go to a doctor right away, but I did have an appointment with my ENT. He asked how I felt and I told him. He didn't know what to make of it. I white knuckled it and drove home. Pretty soon, I lost my vision and when I told Jimmy, he thought I was kidding. Would I kid about something like that. I had cataract surgery prior to that and called my Opthamologist. He begged me to go to the hospital. I did and they put me in ICU. I had an 800# gorilla on my chest, but both of my arms all the way down to my fingertips were hurting since 8:00 a.m. that morning. I didn't to go the hospital until 8:00 p.m. I almost blew my chances. I have no blockages and the pictures of my heart are all clean. I asked how then, did they know I was having a heart attack and they said each organ puts out it's own enzymes and that was my red flag. We are glad you are still here to ward off the blues for all of us. I should think congratulations are in order. One of your CML buddies, Lottie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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