Re: c diff

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I've had major problems with diarrhea for as long as I've had all

the other symptoms. It's possible I had C diff the whole time. I

had numerous ear infections as a child. Perhaps those antibiotics

set me up for the C diff. But I had the worst episodes (shedding my

intestinal lining along with what might as well have been motor oil)

since my mino/tini/azithro combo in February. Tini, like Flagyl,

works against C diff, but the funny thing is they don't reach

notable concentrations in the colon (where C diff lives) unless you

have diarrhea. I.e., C diff creates the diarrhea that allows

tini/flagyl to reach the C diff itself. So just because I was on

tini (which you might think would've protected me) in february

doesn't mean the combo wasn't responsible. I didn't have diarrhea

at the time, so it may have been that only the azithro/mino were

actively decimating my colonic commensals. But this is just

guessing.

Like most every other condition it seems, scratch the surface of the

C diff literature and you find medical incompetence underneath.

Here's an exerpt from an email I sent someone on C diff:

The commonly used test (ELISA) for C diff toxins is quite

insensitive (as low as 64%). Unlike the Lyme wars, the GI

researchers don't seem to even dispute how insensitive the test is,

but it's much cheaper than the sensitive tests so it continues to be

used clinically:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=15673515

But perhaps the most interesting thing about C diff is that a lot of

people are asymptomatic carriers and that it is the people who don't

seroconvert adequately to the toxins that have the most problems:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?

db=pubmed & cmd=Retrieve & dopt=AbstractPlus & list_uids=8300199

It's also interesting that many Cdiffers complain of fatigue.

Here's some quotes. You can find a lot more by using the search

function.

The worst part is a persistent achiness and fatigue.

http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?

t=1775 & highlight=fatigue

It started after being off of vanco for abt 10 days, the " gearing

up " symptoms prior to the major D were nausea, stomach cramps,

fatigue, dizziness, and low grade fever(these are " typcial " signs

for me).

http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?

t=2325 & highlight=fatigue

I found out I have C-diff a few weeks ago, was treated once and now

the C-diff is back. My glands below my ears are so swollen I though

I had mumps. Is this normal for C-diff? Also, the fatigue is

terrible.

http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?

t=2193 & highlight=fatigue

I was going to the bathroom about twice a day, weak and fatigued. I

called my primary care doctor, deciding to deal with the cost of the

appointment. I saw her a few days later. She explained that my

fatigue was indeed due to the Bacterial Colitis

http://www.cdiffsupport.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?

t=436 & highlight=fatigue

Unfortunately for me, getting rid of C diff did not alleviate my

fatigue/brainfog, as would be implied by the above testimonials.

Matt

>

> Wow. You really did have c. diff.! That's really dangerous. So

glad they gave you vanco and it cleared up. Was it from taking a

particular abx?

>

> Thanks for your thoughts on the chiari and csf, spinal taps,

etc.

Keep us apprised of what you learn. Good to hear from you.

>

> penny

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> Tini, like Flagyl,

> works against C diff, but the funny thing is they don't reach

> notable concentrations in the colon (where C diff lives) unless you

> have diarrhea. I.e., C diff creates the diarrhea that allows

> tini/flagyl to reach the C diff itself. So just because I was on

> tini (which you might think would've protected me) in february

> doesn't mean the combo wasn't responsible.

Wheldon has said on cpnhelp that the nitroimidazoles actually

can paradoxically bring on C diff. Perhaps even (I forget, or else he

just didn't say) when used alone.

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From what I understand -shedding the intestinal lining - as I did 5

years ago at the end of a bout with Salmonella - is pretty serious.

But not totally a bad thing. (assuming you haven't had to be

hospitalized for severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalance)

It took me 6 or 8 months just to be able to eat normally again.

I assume this was repopulation (that's how I treated it).

And I saw the intestinal lining - oh my god- was bright orange

and very gelatinous (sorry you guys with a queezy stomach).

The only good thing about this- if you can call it good- is that

everything- including the bad bugs usually come out with that lining.

Matt.. are you severely underweight.?

Do you think your intestines are now healthy?

Barb

>

> I've had major problems with diarrhea for as long as I've had all

> the other symptoms. It's possible I had C diff the whole time. I

> had numerous ear infections as a child. Perhaps those antibiotics

> set me up for the C diff. But I had the worst episodes (shedding

my

> intestinal lining along with what might as well have been motor

oil)

[Guest guest]

Hey Barb

I haven't studied the mechanics of this for different pathogens, but

I think Salmonella and C diff may do it differently. Here's a brief

description for C diff:

" With advanced disease, the pseudomembranes may coalesce and

eventually slough, leaving large denuded areas. "

http://www.emedmag.com/html/pre/gic/consults/061503.asp

C diff operates only in the colon. I'm guessing that Salmonella

covers much more real estate.

I only lost about 5 pounds. I sloughed off lining multiple times.

They were reminiscent of jelly fish, though exceptionally fragile.

I tried to save one to show the doc (who didn't believe me; I had to

refer myself to a GI specialist and pay out of pocket) but color

(brownish yellow, not the orange you saw; the tissue itself was

mostly white) would leach out of it over time and I changed the

water it was suspended in. Each time the water caused vortexing and

would shred the sample into smaller pieces. I'm sure it was just a

single, exceptionally thin monolayer of cells and couldn't hold

together in large sheets when disturbed.

I think my intestines have long healed from the C diff toxins, but I

think chronically ill folk have problems with their intestines

independent of C diff.

Matt

>

> From what I understand -shedding the intestinal lining - as I did

5

> years ago at the end of a bout with Salmonella - is pretty serious.

> But not totally a bad thing. (assuming you haven't had to be

> hospitalized for severe dehydration and electrolyte imbalance)

>

> It took me 6 or 8 months just to be able to eat normally again.

> I assume this was repopulation (that's how I treated it).

>

> And I saw the intestinal lining - oh my god- was bright orange

> and very gelatinous (sorry you guys with a queezy stomach).

>

> The only good thing about this- if you can call it good- is that

> everything- including the bad bugs usually come out with that

lining.

>

> Matt.. are you severely underweight.?

> Do you think your intestines are now healthy?

>

> Barb

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for sharing your thoughts, experiences with c diff. The 2

antibiotics are really messing up my tummy...have 6 days to go for 1 and 5 for

the other.

Sue, it is always sweet that you remember me. I do still write occasionally,

but this year has required my attention mostly for my daughter's struggle with

MS and other serious struggles she has had. I think of us 'old timers' : ) who

have been here, at least off and on, for many years. Any of you, I would

welcome personal email at mercycove at comcast.net.I think of a, Heidi

Steppe Horeau, Kathy in Ok, Judy Indiana/Georgia, Pat in Oregon, yikes my dear

sweet friend in Florida whom I am completely spacing her name I am sorry...she

had an amputation, oh my gosh I apologize if I have 'brain cloud' with any of

your names. : ( There are so many more! But I absolutely carry you in my

heart. We all went through so much with each other.

Always..

Cheryle aka Tess

--

" The path before all of us sometimes is strewn with shards of glass and this

world does not always provide strong, protective shoes. So as the poem

" Footprints " says, God will carry me, when I cannot carry myself. He loves me

enough to do that for me...I surrender this struggle and am crawling up into His

arms. " ~ cjb, 1/14/2008

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LOL, Hi Sherry,

Today is my MTX day, I get really confused on these days.

Heidi

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explanation is possible

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Thanks Marcia,

That does not work for me, I can't even take 4 at once....to take 8 at once

just spells disaster...FOR ME. I have a comfortable method for me, and

yesterday just was compounded by a painful session of PT....today I am back to

being me, got my brain back (whatever that is) and I feel better pain

wise....yay!!!!!! I envy you guys who can take it all at once and just go to

bed. Have

a great weekend everyone! Try and get out and suck up a little vitamin D!!!

Heidi

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marciastoyle@... writes:

Hello, Heidi! Try taking the MTX at bedtime. gentle hugs! Marcia

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> Today is my MTX day, I get really confused on these days.

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Heidi taught me how to take my metho too. I take three in the afternoon, and

the other two at night.

I do not get sick at all. No side effects besides loosing my brain and

tiredness.

Jolene

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sposy@... writes:

Thanks Marcia,

That does not work for me, I can't even take 4 at once....to take 8 at once

just spells disaster...FOR ME. I have a comfortable method for me, and

yesterday just was compounded by a painful session of PT....today I am back

to

being me, got my brain back (whatever that is) and I feel better pain

wise....yay!wise....yay!<WBR>!!!!! I envy you guys who can take it all at

once and just

a great weekend everyone! Try and get out and suck up a little vitamin D!!!

Heidi

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In a message dated 6/13/2008 10:00:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

_marciastoyle@marciasto_ (mailto:marciastoyle@...) writes:

Hello, Heidi! Try taking the MTX at bedtime. gentle hugs! Marcia

>

> LOL, Hi Sherry,

>

> Today is my MTX day, I get really confused on these days.

>

> Heidi

>

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LOL Jolene....love the brain part..I am so happy how the MTX has helped you.

Thanks for your support....MTX is just an overall evil drug that helps!!!

.....all we can do is offer suggestions, but ultimately it is what works best

for that individual. I had talked to someone who tried the all at once before

bed and spent hours throwing up , nauseous, etc....but was fine the next

day....so I guess it's all about experimenting, knowing what you can and can't

take, and taking something from the many suggestions presented to you on this

list. The reason I do mine the way I do, is that my stomach is a mess ,

bleeding ulcer, half a colon, etc. I don't want nausea, vomiting, or anything

to

upset that volcano in any way!

Heidi

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In a message dated 6/13/2008 10:09:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

Jolenefive@... writes:

Heidi taught me how to take my metho too. I take three in the afternoon, and

the other two at night.

I do not get sick at all. No side effects besides loosing my brain and

tiredness.

Jolene

In a message dated 6/13/2008 10:06:30 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

_sposy@..._ (mailto:sposy@...) writes:

Thanks Marcia,

That does not work for me, I can't even take 4 at once....to take 8 at once

just spells disaster...FOR ME. I have a comfortable method for me, and

yesterday just was compounded by a painful session of PT....today I am back

to

being me, got my brain back (whatever that is) and I feel better pain

wise....yay!wise....yay!<WBR>!!!!!!!!<WBR>! I envy you guys who can take i

once and just

a great weekend everyone! Try and get out and suck up a little vitamin D!!!

Heidi

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Hello, Heidi! Try taking the MTX at bedtime. gentle hugs! Marcia

>

> LOL, Hi Sherry,

>

> Today is my MTX day, I get really confused on these days.

>

> Heidi

>

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Hello, Heidi! Try taking the MTX at bedtime. gentle hugs! Marcia

>

> LOL, Hi Sherry,

>

> Today is my MTX day, I get really confused on these days.

>

> Heidi

>

> To those who believe, no explanation is necessary; to those who

dont, no

> explanation is possible

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> se54summers@... writes:

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Lottie,

Thank you for the information about c diff. It is becoming very common to

catch c diff during a visit or stay in a hospital. I saw a segment on abc

news about this last week. Unfortunately, I caught c diff last year when I was

in the hospital for an infection following outpatient surgery. It was awful!

It took me two rounds of flagyl to get rid of it. I think that was about

20 days. I lost so much weight and was so sick for a long time.

I'll try to include a link to the abc news site here. If it doesn't work

you can google abc news c diff.

_ABC News: Intestinal Infections on the Rise_

(http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6223223 & page=1)

I hope everyone else is able to avoid this problem.

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Potentially Colloidal Silver........

[ ] C Diff

Any experience here with C Diff?

I'm unsure whether I'm dealing with C Diff...

But just out of curiosity is there a non-abx treatment for C Diff?

[Guest guest]

In response to: " Any experience here with C Diff?... is there a non-abx treatment

for C Diff? "

I have experience with it-was-not-C-Diff, thinking I had it while on Ceftin.

Got checked, didn't. Backed off antibiotics and upped probiotics and got

better.

I understand that taking probiotics helps prevent and fight it, but don't know

if it is enough or not for treatment.

Hope this helps! BTW it's an easy, quick test.

[Guest guest]

I would get some kefir grains, and start making your own kefir. Find somebody to

share grains with you. http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

Also Vitamin D plays a role in mediating immune function via the release of

anti-microbial peptides in the skin.

Scandinavian Journal of Infectious Diseases March 8, 2010 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20210515

Also the lowly cranberry protects at the molecular level.

Cranberry juice fights infections at molecular levelPerch

 

 

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From: <canefan18@...>

Subject: [ ] C Diff

Date: Wednesday, September 15, 2010, 3:20 PM

 

Any experience here with C Diff?

I'm unsure whether I'm dealing with C Diff...

But just out of curiosity is there a non-abx treatment for C Diff?

[Guest guest]

I see I should have used the actual URL.

http://www.naturalnews.com/029241_cranberries_infections.html

<http://www.naturalnews.com/029241_cranberries_infections.html>

Perch

>

> I would get some kefir grains, and start making your own kefir. Find

somebody to share grains with you.

http://users.sa.chariot.net.au/~dna/kefirpage.html

> Also Vitamin D plays a role in mediating immune function via the

release of anti-microbial peptides in the skin.

> Scandinavian Journal of Infectious Diseases March 8, 2010Â

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20210515

> Also the lowly cranberry protects at the molecular level.

> Cranberry juice fights infections at molecular levelPerch

>

[Guest guest]

Ya... I haven't really had diarrhea.

just some bloating, left side pain, inflammation, constipation

^^ That can be from sooo many things. I'm just trying to rule most stuff out.

What is C Diff's most common symptoms?

>

>

> In response to: " Any experience here with C Diff?... is there a non-abx

treatment for C Diff? "

> I have experience with it-was-not-C-Diff, thinking I had it while on Ceftin.

Got checked, didn't. Backed off antibiotics and upped probiotics and got

better.

> I understand that taking probiotics helps prevent and fight it, but don't know

if it is enough or not for treatment.

> Hope this helps! BTW it's an easy, quick test.

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

I did not get a chance to see the original post, but I have a lot of

experience with Cdiff. Both of my elderly parents have passed this

nasty infection back and forth several times. It is very aggressive

and can be life threatening.

Diarrhea, stomach pain, weight loss, and nausea are all big symptoms.

Antibiotic use is usually a precursor although not if you contracted it

from someone else.

For my mom the diarrhea was profuse. She had several in the span of an

hour. She got dehydrated and weak.

There are several things that do help. Allimed( a powerful garlic

extract) is good for cdiff. Culturelle(2 per day) and florastor( up

to 6 per day) show effectiveness against cdiff. Personally I would

combine the 2 because my parents did not clear the cdiff with just

florastor as their probiotic. My mom is doing significantly better on

the culturelle/florastor combo,

Cholestyramine is also good for cdiff. It helps to bind the toxins out

of your system. It is a script, but it is non antibiotic.

I agree with the kefir suggestion as well. Kefir is very powerful and

great against many gut infections. Be careful with the probotics and

kefir though. You can get die off and diarrhea form them when you first

start building up. It can be a catch twenty two.

Hope that this helps. If you are really ill, do not try to avoid the

ER or antibiotics. I have seen cdiff almost kill my parents. It is not

something to be taken lightly.

Peggy

P.S. Spores can live on surfaces for weeks. Alcohol based cleaners to

not touch it. Although I am not a fan of bleach. It is necessary to

scour all hard surfaces to prevent reinfection.

[Guest guest]

Never heard of C Diff. What is it? I have a guess, but need to make sure.

Thanks

Jeannie

[ ] Re: C Diff

Hi,

I did not get a chance to see the original post, but I have a lot of

experience with Cdiff. Both of my elderly parents have passed this

nasty infection back and forth several times. It is very aggressive

and can be life threatening.

Diarrhea, stomach pain, weight loss, and nausea are all big symptoms.

Antibiotic use is usually a precursor although not if you contracted it

from someone else.

For my mom the diarrhea was profuse. She had several in the span of an

hour. She got dehydrated and weak.

There are several things that do help. Allimed( a powerful garlic

extract) is good for cdiff. Culturelle(2 per day) and florastor( up

to 6 per day) show effectiveness against cdiff. Personally I would

combine the 2 because my parents did not clear the cdiff with just

florastor as their probiotic. My mom is doing significantly better on

the culturelle/florastor combo,

Cholestyramine is also good for cdiff. It helps to bind the toxins out

of your system. It is a script, but it is non antibiotic.

I agree with the kefir suggestion as well. Kefir is very powerful and

great against many gut infections. Be careful with the probotics and

kefir though. You can get die off and diarrhea form them when you first

start building up. It can be a catch twenty two.

Hope that this helps. If you are really ill, do not try to avoid the

ER or antibiotics. I have seen cdiff almost kill my parents. It is not

something to be taken lightly.

Peggy

P.S. Spores can live on surfaces for weeks. Alcohol based cleaners to

not touch it. Although I am not a fan of bleach. It is necessary to

scour all hard surfaces to prevent reinfection.

[Guest guest]

In response to:

" Never heard of C Diff. What is it? I have a guess, but need to make sure.

"

Jeannie - it is an infection (I think bacterial) that people get when they are

on certain types of antibiotics, especially if for a long time or at high doses.

I believe it is common in hospitals, esp. when people are on IV antibiotics. It

can be somewhat prevented I believe with probiotics. It causes major diarrhea,

and can be life threatening if not caught, diagnosed, and treated properly -

usually done with (yes you guessed it) more antibiotics

- Jen

[Guest guest]

Wow, thanks for the info. I had no idea. And, that the answer is more

antibiotics. I'm on probiotics now.

Thanks Jen

RE: [ ] Re: C Diff

In response to:

" Never heard of C Diff. What is it? I have a guess, but need to make sure.

"

Jeannie - it is an infection (I think bacterial) that people get when they are

on certain types of antibiotics, especially if for a long time or at high doses.

I believe it is common in hospitals, esp. when people are on IV antibiotics. It

can be somewhat prevented I believe with probiotics. It causes major diarrhea,

and can be life threatening if not caught, diagnosed, and treated properly -

usually done with (yes you guessed it) more antibiotics

- Jen

[Guest guest]

The full name is clostridium difficile.

Per Mayo's site:

Clostridium difficile, often called C. difficile or " C. diff, " is a bacterium

that can cause symptoms ranging from diarrhea to life-threatening inflammation

of the colon. Illness from C. difficile most commonly affects older adults in

hospitals or in long term care facilities and typically occurs after use of

antibiotic medications.

deb

>

> Never heard of C Diff. What is it? I have a guess, but need to make sure.

> Thanks

> Jeannie

> [ ] Re: C Diff

>

> Hi,

> I did not get a chance to see the original post, but I have a lot of

> experience with Cdiff. Both of my elderly parents have passed this

> nasty infection back and forth several times. It is very aggressive

> and can be life threatening.

>

> Diarrhea, stomach pain, weight loss, and nausea are all big symptoms.

> Antibiotic use is usually a precursor although not if you contracted it

> from someone else.

>

> For my mom the diarrhea was profuse. She had several in the span of an

> hour. She got dehydrated and weak.

>

> There are several things that do help. Allimed( a powerful garlic

> extract) is good for cdiff. Culturelle(2 per day) and florastor( up

> to 6 per day) show effectiveness against cdiff. Personally I would

> combine the 2 because my parents did not clear the cdiff with just

> florastor as their probiotic. My mom is doing significantly better on

> the culturelle/florastor combo,

>

> Cholestyramine is also good for cdiff. It helps to bind the toxins out

> of your system. It is a script, but it is non antibiotic.

>

> I agree with the kefir suggestion as well. Kefir is very powerful and

> great against many gut infections. Be careful with the probotics and

> kefir though. You can get die off and diarrhea form them when you first

> start building up. It can be a catch twenty two.

>

> Hope that this helps. If you are really ill, do not try to avoid the

> ER or antibiotics. I have seen cdiff almost kill my parents. It is not

> something to be taken lightly.

> Peggy

> P.S. Spores can live on surfaces for weeks. Alcohol based cleaners to

> not touch it. Although I am not a fan of bleach. It is necessary to

> scour all hard surfaces to prevent reinfection.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I had no idea that there was such serious stuff to be aware of. I'm starting a

binder (book person) and writing all that I'm learning in that. It amazes me

what this illness entails with all the other illness you can get some serious.

....then you have the medications, the supplements to learn about, the herbs, on

and on it goes.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge, it's appreciated.

Jeannie

[Guest guest]

Jeannie I did the same thing this week! I was getting so confused because there

is so much. Thank you everyone so much for all of the shared knowledge. Hugs

From: Jeannie <gemstar727@...>

Subject: Re: [ ] Re: C Diff

Date: Thursday, September 16, 2010, 3:50 PM

 

I had no idea that there was such serious stuff to be aware of. I'm starting a

binder (book person) and writing all that I'm learning in that. It amazes me

what this illness entails with all the other illness you can get some serious.

....then you have the medications, the supplements to learn about, the herbs, on

and on it goes.

Thank you for sharing your knowledge, it's appreciated.

Jeannie

[Guest guest]

clostridium difficile

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> What is C Diff?

> Namaste,

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