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Hi, Michal again. Having read my copy, and realizing

I sound a little like a brat, I must add that though

my partner is willing to consider moving other places,

he is very unhappy about the idea, and though I

understand, it is something else I have to work

against. But he at least is willing consider it-I

just have to pull teeth, bless him.

--- Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

> Hi,

>

> I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> comfort

> because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have moved

> and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> renting now, as soon as the rains started, I started

> getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> bought

> an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and took

> mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar with

> mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and brilliant-he

> suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier on

> because he knows how hard it is for me to move, that

> I'm low-income living on disability and the choices

> that are out there for me in terms of rental, and it

> would tell us how well the purifier was

> working..with

> 4 colonies being considered normal, every room was

> ok

> except the bedroom-24+!

> The owner is a very kind man and just came by with

> the

> realty company reps and a mold tester guy who used

> radiowaves to test for moisture behind every wall,

> in

> every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> have

> to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner is

> willing to do all that. I showed the guy the plates

> and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> understanding it to the level we of course do. He

> is

> going to get the roof checked, as well as the crawl

> space. He is willing to pull up a piece of carpet

> and

> see what's under there. In short, he's willing to

> do

> whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable here

> and considers himself responsible.

> Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be the

> source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in the

> unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> firewall

> between us, that place had a mold problem..I have

> little hope this place can be safe for me without

> the

> owner having to spend more than he is able to...I

> have

> been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> here

> is my pain:

> I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> despairing about moving and getting into another

> mold

> situation (there seems to be no really effective

> way

> of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> point,

> but he is not as affected as I am, and is fighting

> cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading another

> move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to boot.

> With all the obstacles and so little resources, how

> am

> I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> going

> to take a miracle. I think about moving to Arizona,

> cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.) but

> my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> alone

> and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this who

> understands, but she has money to be able to just

> get

> out and find something else. Is anyone broke like

> me,

> having to get themselves out of this mess? It looks

> so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of my

> life

> and I wonder if it'll ever change..

>

>

>

>

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sorry your going through this,theres not anything to easy about

getting this illness,if you fell better when you are out aeay from

there thats a starting point for you to consider. washing your

sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm thinking right,

haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or have some of the

same effects, cant remember.

some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try to get rid of the

mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there while those repairs

are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > comfort

> > because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have moved

> > and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I started

> > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > bought

> > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and took

> > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar with

> > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and brilliant-he

> > suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier on

> > because he knows how hard it is for me to move, that

> > I'm low-income living on disability and the choices

> > that are out there for me in terms of rental, and it

> > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > working..with

> > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room was

> > ok

> > except the bedroom-24+!

> > The owner is a very kind man and just came by with

> > the

> > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who used

> > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every wall,

> > in

> > every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> > have

> > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner is

> > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the plates

> > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > understanding it to the level we of course do. He

> > is

> > going to get the roof checked, as well as the crawl

> > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of carpet

> > and

> > see what's under there. In short, he's willing to

> > do

> > whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> > ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable here

> > and considers himself responsible.

> > Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> > concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be the

> > source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in the

> > unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> > firewall

> > between us, that place had a mold problem..I have

> > little hope this place can be safe for me without

> > the

> > owner having to spend more than he is able to...I

> > have

> > been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> > here

> > is my pain:

> > I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> > despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> > despairing about moving and getting into another

> > mold

> > situation (there seems to be no really effective

> > way

> > of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> > point,

> > but he is not as affected as I am, and is fighting

> > cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading another

> > move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to boot.

> > With all the obstacles and so little resources, how

> > am

> > I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> > going

> > to take a miracle. I think about moving to Arizona,

> > cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.) but

> > my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> > willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> > alone

> > and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this who

> > understands, but she has money to be able to just

> > get

> > out and find something else. Is anyone broke like

> > me,

> > having to get themselves out of this mess? It looks

> > so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of my

> > life

> > and I wonder if it'll ever change..

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

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> >

> http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?

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oh, good point, about reacting even when the mold is

gone, and not being there during repairs. Didn't even

think of that, thank you!

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> sorry your going through this,theres not anything to

> easy about

> getting this illness,if you fell better when you are

> out aeay from

> there thats a starting point for you to consider.

> washing your

> sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm

> thinking right,

> haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or

> have some of the

> same effects, cant remember.

> some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try

> to get rid of the

> mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there

> while those repairs

> are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

>

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I can relate to family not understanding the need to move. My husband and I

moved into a apartment that we know was damaged by a roof leak. It was supposed

to be gutted and redone but looks can be decieving. I have been ill with

something, Bronchitis, sinus infections, respititory infections one right after

another without a break since we moved in 6 months ago. The previous 3 months we

were put into another apartment with the same situation by the company we at the

time worked for. So I have been exposed to potential molds for almost a year

now. It has been the last 6 months that really got me ill. Hospitalization,

shrinks, meds that don't work, you name it. I am so frustrated because I want to

move out and at least try to retain what health and energy I have, yet my

husband is not budging. He wants to remain until our lease is up because

otherwise we would have to use a buy out to break our lease. That is $2100 we do

not have. Even if we remain, I am not sure he will

leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the one who is NUTS! SO I can relate

to your frustrations. I am slowing trying to talk to him and I print out several

of these articles to show him that others like me are suffering. That this is a

valid reason to move.

I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am on a fixed income. We

struggle with this rent, and if I were to go to a " cheaper " rent, I risk older

homes and I am sure more mold. Not only dealing with this illness, but having to

deal with finding a safe environment is enough to cause anxiety up the yang

yang. Stay strong, have faith and pray alot. That is what I am doing each day.

who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

sorry your going through this,theres not anything to easy about

getting this illness,if you fell better when you are out aeay from

there thats a starting point for you to consider. washing your

sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm thinking right,

haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or have some of the

same effects, cant remember.

some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try to get rid of the

mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there while those repairs

are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > comfort

> > because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have moved

> > and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I started

> > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > bought

> > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and took

> > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar with

> > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and brilliant-he

> > suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier on

> > because he knows how hard it is for me to move, that

> > I'm low-income living on disability and the choices

> > that are out there for me in terms of rental, and it

> > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > working..with

> > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room was

> > ok

> > except the bedroom-24+!

> > The owner is a very kind man and just came by with

> > the

> > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who used

> > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every wall,

> > in

> > every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> > have

> > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner is

> > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the plates

> > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > understanding it to the level we of course do. He

> > is

> > going to get the roof checked, as well as the crawl

> > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of carpet

> > and

> > see what's under there. In short, he's willing to

> > do

> > whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> > ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable here

> > and considers himself responsible.

> > Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> > concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be the

> > source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in the

> > unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> > firewall

> > between us, that place had a mold problem..I have

> > little hope this place can be safe for me without

> > the

> > owner having to spend more than he is able to...I

> > have

> > been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> > here

> > is my pain:

> > I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> > despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> > despairing about moving and getting into another

> > mold

> > situation (there seems to be no really effective

> > way

> > of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> > point,

> > but he is not as affected as I am, and is fighting

> > cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading another

> > move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to boot.

> > With all the obstacles and so little resources, how

> > am

> > I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> > going

> > to take a miracle. I think about moving to Arizona,

> > cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.) but

> > my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> > willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> > alone

> > and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this who

> > understands, but she has money to be able to just

> > get

> > out and find something else. Is anyone broke like

> > me,

> > having to get themselves out of this mess? It looks

> > so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of my

> > life

> > and I wonder if it'll ever change..

> >

> >

> >

> >

>

__________________________________________________________

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> > Find them fast with Search.

> >

> http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?

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> >

>

>

>

>

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while being sick with exposure, maybe haveing windows open if it's

desent air outside, wash sinuses several times a day and eat as much

raw gsrlic that you can stand too. ? just things that might help.

lol's maybe if the husband get tired of smelling garlic he well

change his mind.

In , Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...>

wrote:

>

> I can relate to family not understanding the need to move. My

husband and I moved into a apartment that we know was damaged by a

roof leak. It was supposed to be gutted and redone but looks can be

decieving. I have been ill with something, Bronchitis, sinus

infections, respititory infections one right after another without a

break since we moved in 6 months ago. The previous 3 months we were

put into another apartment with the same situation by the company we

at the time worked for. So I have been exposed to potential molds for

almost a year now. It has been the last 6 months that really got me

ill. Hospitalization, shrinks, meds that don't work, you name it. I

am so frustrated because I want to move out and at least try to

retain what health and energy I have, yet my husband is not budging.

He wants to remain until our lease is up because otherwise we would

have to use a buy out to break our lease. That is $2100 we do not

have. Even if we remain, I am not sure he will

> leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the one who is NUTS! SO

I can relate to your frustrations. I am slowing trying to talk to him

and I print out several of these articles to show him that others

like me are suffering. That this is a valid reason to move.

>

> I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am on a fixed

income. We struggle with this rent, and if I were to go to

a " cheaper " rent, I risk older homes and I am sure more mold. Not

only dealing with this illness, but having to deal with finding a

safe environment is enough to cause anxiety up the yang yang. Stay

strong, have faith and pray alot. That is what I am doing each day.

>

> who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> sorry your going through this,theres not anything to easy

about

> getting this illness,if you fell better when you are out aeay from

> there thats a starting point for you to consider. washing your

> sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm thinking

right,

> haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or have some of

the

> same effects, cant remember.

> some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try to get rid of

the

> mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there while those repairs

> are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

>

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > > comfort

> > > because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> > > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have moved

> > > and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> > > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I started

> > > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > > bought

> > > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and took

> > > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar with

> > > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and brilliant-he

> > > suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier on

> > > because he knows how hard it is for me to move, that

> > > I'm low-income living on disability and the choices

> > > that are out there for me in terms of rental, and it

> > > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > > working..with

> > > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room was

> > > ok

> > > except the bedroom-24+!

> > > The owner is a very kind man and just came by with

> > > the

> > > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who used

> > > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every wall,

> > > in

> > > every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> > > have

> > > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner is

> > > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the plates

> > > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > > understanding it to the level we of course do. He

> > > is

> > > going to get the roof checked, as well as the crawl

> > > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of carpet

> > > and

> > > see what's under there. In short, he's willing to

> > > do

> > > whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> > > ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable here

> > > and considers himself responsible.

> > > Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> > > concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be the

> > > source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in the

> > > unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> > > firewall

> > > between us, that place had a mold problem..I have

> > > little hope this place can be safe for me without

> > > the

> > > owner having to spend more than he is able to...I

> > > have

> > > been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> > > here

> > > is my pain:

> > > I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> > > despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> > > despairing about moving and getting into another

> > > mold

> > > situation (there seems to be no really effective

> > > way

> > > of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> > > point,

> > > but he is not as affected as I am, and is fighting

> > > cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading another

> > > move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to boot.

> > > With all the obstacles and so little resources, how

> > > am

> > > I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> > > going

> > > to take a miracle. I think about moving to Arizona,

> > > cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.) but

> > > my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> > > willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> > > alone

> > > and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this who

> > > understands, but she has money to be able to just

> > > get

> > > out and find something else. Is anyone broke like

> > > me,

> > > having to get themselves out of this mess? It looks

> > > so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of my

> > > life

> > > and I wonder if it'll ever change..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

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> > > Looking for last minute shopping deals?

> > > Find them fast with Search.

> > >

> > http://tools.search./newsearch/category.php?

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> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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LOL!! He already has, gotten tired of the garlic,

that is!!!

--- who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> while being sick with exposure, maybe haveing

> windows open if it's

> desent air outside, wash sinuses several times a day

> and eat as much

> raw gsrlic that you can stand too. ? just things

> that might help.

> lol's maybe if the husband get tired of smelling

> garlic he well

> change his mind.

>

>

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Thanks, Deb, for sharing your story with me. I'm so

sorry this has been so hard on you, too. It helps me

to hear from others who are living on a fixed income

and have to go through this..

Since I last wrote, the owner of this place took the

situation very seriously. He doesn't totally get me,

but he is caring enough to want us to be comfortable

here..he actually ordered air samples to be done

here..they already had a tester in to detect moisture

behind the walls, and he's willing to get the roof,

attic and crawlspace looked at...thing is, he doesn't

quite understand that since the place is built on a

concrete slab and the only thing between the carpeting

is a carpet pad, that that might be the source.

However, as long as he's willing to work at it , I am

too...I now have to deal with putting all suspect

furniture in storage before they do the air sample,

and my partner (who has a back problem, fighting

cancer etc-admittedly) is already complaining.

I swear to god I love him to death and really he has

been for the most part supportive, but if this area is

just a wash, I hope I have the cohones to start

packing for Arizona, and if he wants to come with me,

great! Course that's usually when they mobilize!

LOL!

--- Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

> I can relate to family not understanding the need to

> move. My husband and I moved into a apartment that

> we know was damaged by a roof leak. It was supposed

> to be gutted and redone but looks can be decieving.

> I have been ill with something, Bronchitis, sinus

> infections, respititory infections one right after

> another without a break since we moved in 6 months

> ago. The previous 3 months we were put into another

> apartment with the same situation by the company we

> at the time worked for. So I have been exposed to

> potential molds for almost a year now. It has been

> the last 6 months that really got me ill.

> Hospitalization, shrinks, meds that don't work, you

> name it. I am so frustrated because I want to move

> out and at least try to retain what health and

> energy I have, yet my husband is not budging. He

> wants to remain until our lease is up because

> otherwise we would have to use a buy out to break

> our lease. That is $2100 we do not have. Even if we

> remain, I am not sure he will

> leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the one

> who is NUTS! SO I can relate to your frustrations. I

> am slowing trying to talk to him and I print out

> several of these articles to show him that others

> like me are suffering. That this is a valid reason

> to move.

>

> I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am

> on a fixed income. We struggle with this rent, and

> if I were to go to a " cheaper " rent, I risk older

> homes and I am sure more mold. Not only dealing with

> this illness, but having to deal with finding a safe

> environment is enough to cause anxiety up the yang

> yang. Stay strong, have faith and pray alot. That is

> what I am doing each day.

>

> who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> sorry your going through this,theres not

> anything to easy about

> getting this illness,if you fell better when you are

> out aeay from

> there thats a starting point for you to consider.

> washing your

> sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm

> thinking right,

> haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or

> have some of the

> same effects, cant remember.

> some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try

> to get rid of the

> mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there

> while those repairs

> are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

>

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > > comfort

> > > because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> > > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have

> moved

> > > and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> > > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I

> started

> > > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > > bought

> > > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and

> took

> > > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar

> with

> > > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and

> brilliant-he

> > > suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier

> on

> > > because he knows how hard it is for me to move,

> that

> > > I'm low-income living on disability and the

> choices

> > > that are out there for me in terms of rental,

> and it

> > > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > > working..with

> > > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room

> was

> > > ok

> > > except the bedroom-24+!

> > > The owner is a very kind man and just came by

> with

> > > the

> > > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who

> used

> > > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every

> wall,

> > > in

> > > every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> > > have

> > > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner

> is

> > > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the

> plates

> > > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > > understanding it to the level we of course do.

> He

> > > is

> > > going to get the roof checked, as well as the

> crawl

> > > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of

> carpet

> > > and

> > > see what's under there. In short, he's willing

> to

> > > do

> > > whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> > > ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable

> here

> > > and considers himself responsible.

> > > Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> > > concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be

> the

> > > source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in

> the

> > > unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> > > firewall

> > > between us, that place had a mold problem..I

> have

> > > little hope this place can be safe for me

> without

> > > the

> > > owner having to spend more than he is able

> to...I

> > > have

> > > been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> > > here

> > > is my pain:

> > > I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> > > despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> > > despairing about moving and getting into another

> > > mold

> > > situation (there seems to be no really effective

> > > way

> > > of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> > > point,

> > > but he is not as affected as I am, and is

> fighting

> > > cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading

> another

> > > move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to

> boot.

> > > With all the obstacles and so little resources,

> how

> > > am

> > > I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> > > going

> > > to take a miracle. I think about moving to

> Arizona,

> > > cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.)

> but

> > > my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> > > willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> > > alone

> > > and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this

> who

> > > understands, but she has money to be able to

> just

> > > get

> > > out and find something else. Is anyone broke

> like

> > > me,

> > > having to get themselves out of this mess? It

> looks

> > > so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of

> my

> > > life

> > > and I wonder if it'll ever change..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Hey we have to stick together in this you know. There is strength in numbers

they say. At least your landlord is willing to do that. Mine is not. It is

either move into another apartment of the same complex or move out. If we break

our lease now with 6 months to go, I would have to pay at least 3-4 months up

front of our rent. I think that is so unfair as I did not ask to have MY health

put in jeaporady, yet they are asking me to pay the penalty. Hubby will come

around I am sure if enough doctors tell him and I that what ever is the culprit

that is causing these health symptoms is not eliminated soon, I will be really

sick. I hope your situation gets better too.

Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote: Thanks, Deb, for

sharing your story with me. I'm so

sorry this has been so hard on you, too. It helps me

to hear from others who are living on a fixed income

and have to go through this..

Since I last wrote, the owner of this place took the

situation very seriously. He doesn't totally get me,

but he is caring enough to want us to be comfortable

here..he actually ordered air samples to be done

here..they already had a tester in to detect moisture

behind the walls, and he's willing to get the roof,

attic and crawlspace looked at...thing is, he doesn't

quite understand that since the place is built on a

concrete slab and the only thing between the carpeting

is a carpet pad, that that might be the source.

However, as long as he's willing to work at it , I am

too...I now have to deal with putting all suspect

furniture in storage before they do the air sample,

and my partner (who has a back problem, fighting

cancer etc-admittedly) is already complaining.

I swear to god I love him to death and really he has

been for the most part supportive, but if this area is

just a wash, I hope I have the cohones to start

packing for Arizona, and if he wants to come with me,

great! Course that's usually when they mobilize!

LOL!

--- Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

> I can relate to family not understanding the need to

> move. My husband and I moved into a apartment that

> we know was damaged by a roof leak. It was supposed

> to be gutted and redone but looks can be decieving.

> I have been ill with something, Bronchitis, sinus

> infections, respititory infections one right after

> another without a break since we moved in 6 months

> ago. The previous 3 months we were put into another

> apartment with the same situation by the company we

> at the time worked for. So I have been exposed to

> potential molds for almost a year now. It has been

> the last 6 months that really got me ill.

> Hospitalization, shrinks, meds that don't work, you

> name it. I am so frustrated because I want to move

> out and at least try to retain what health and

> energy I have, yet my husband is not budging. He

> wants to remain until our lease is up because

> otherwise we would have to use a buy out to break

> our lease. That is $2100 we do not have. Even if we

> remain, I am not sure he will

> leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the one

> who is NUTS! SO I can relate to your frustrations. I

> am slowing trying to talk to him and I print out

> several of these articles to show him that others

> like me are suffering. That this is a valid reason

> to move.

>

> I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am

> on a fixed income. We struggle with this rent, and

> if I were to go to a " cheaper " rent, I risk older

> homes and I am sure more mold. Not only dealing with

> this illness, but having to deal with finding a safe

> environment is enough to cause anxiety up the yang

> yang. Stay strong, have faith and pray alot. That is

> what I am doing each day.

>

> who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> sorry your going through this,theres not

> anything to easy about

> getting this illness,if you fell better when you are

> out aeay from

> there thats a starting point for you to consider.

> washing your

> sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm

> thinking right,

> haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or

> have some of the

> same effects, cant remember.

> some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try

> to get rid of the

> mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there

> while those repairs

> are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

>

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > > comfort

> > > because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> > > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have

> moved

> > > and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> > > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I

> started

> > > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > > bought

> > > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and

> took

> > > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar

> with

> > > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and

> brilliant-he

> > > suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier

> on

> > > because he knows how hard it is for me to move,

> that

> > > I'm low-income living on disability and the

> choices

> > > that are out there for me in terms of rental,

> and it

> > > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > > working..with

> > > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room

> was

> > > ok

> > > except the bedroom-24+!

> > > The owner is a very kind man and just came by

> with

> > > the

> > > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who

> used

> > > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every

> wall,

> > > in

> > > every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> > > have

> > > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner

> is

> > > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the

> plates

> > > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > > understanding it to the level we of course do.

> He

> > > is

> > > going to get the roof checked, as well as the

> crawl

> > > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of

> carpet

> > > and

> > > see what's under there. In short, he's willing

> to

> > > do

> > > whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> > > ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable

> here

> > > and considers himself responsible.

> > > Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> > > concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be

> the

> > > source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in

> the

> > > unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> > > firewall

> > > between us, that place had a mold problem..I

> have

> > > little hope this place can be safe for me

> without

> > > the

> > > owner having to spend more than he is able

> to...I

> > > have

> > > been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> > > here

> > > is my pain:

> > > I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> > > despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> > > despairing about moving and getting into another

> > > mold

> > > situation (there seems to be no really effective

> > > way

> > > of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> > > point,

> > > but he is not as affected as I am, and is

> fighting

> > > cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading

> another

> > > move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to

> boot.

> > > With all the obstacles and so little resources,

> how

> > > am

> > > I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> > > going

> > > to take a miracle. I think about moving to

> Arizona,

> > > cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.)

> but

> > > my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> > > willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> > > alone

> > > and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this

> who

> > > understands, but she has money to be able to

> just

> > > get

> > > out and find something else. Is anyone broke

> like

> > > me,

> > > having to get themselves out of this mess? It

> looks

> > > so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of

> my

> > > life

> > > and I wonder if it'll ever change..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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> ______________

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> > > Find them fast with Search.

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Michal,

Go to Lowes and get some mold plates. there 8 bucks.Set them out for 1 hr

follow the instructions. If there are more than 4 colonys growing its time to

move. Dr Marinkovich and Dr Gray say if you are sick from mold you can't get

better in living space with 4 or more colonys. It would also be good for you to

know for sure. Not all Mold tester are qualified.

Regards

a

Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote: Hey we

have to stick together in this you know. There is strength in numbers they say.

At least your landlord is willing to do that. Mine is not. It is either move

into another apartment of the same complex or move out. If we break our lease

now with 6 months to go, I would have to pay at least 3-4 months up front of our

rent. I think that is so unfair as I did not ask to have MY health put in

jeaporady, yet they are asking me to pay the penalty. Hubby will come around I

am sure if enough doctors tell him and I that what ever is the culprit that is

causing these health symptoms is not eliminated soon, I will be really sick. I

hope your situation gets better too.

Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote: Thanks, Deb, for

sharing your story with me. I'm so

sorry this has been so hard on you, too. It helps me

to hear from others who are living on a fixed income

and have to go through this..

Since I last wrote, the owner of this place took the

situation very seriously. He doesn't totally get me,

but he is caring enough to want us to be comfortable

here..he actually ordered air samples to be done

here..they already had a tester in to detect moisture

behind the walls, and he's willing to get the roof,

attic and crawlspace looked at...thing is, he doesn't

quite understand that since the place is built on a

concrete slab and the only thing between the carpeting

is a carpet pad, that that might be the source.

However, as long as he's willing to work at it , I am

too...I now have to deal with putting all suspect

furniture in storage before they do the air sample,

and my partner (who has a back problem, fighting

cancer etc-admittedly) is already complaining.

I swear to god I love him to death and really he has

been for the most part supportive, but if this area is

just a wash, I hope I have the cohones to start

packing for Arizona, and if he wants to come with me,

great! Course that's usually when they mobilize!

LOL!

--- Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

> I can relate to family not understanding the need to

> move. My husband and I moved into a apartment that

> we know was damaged by a roof leak. It was supposed

> to be gutted and redone but looks can be decieving.

> I have been ill with something, Bronchitis, sinus

> infections, respititory infections one right after

> another without a break since we moved in 6 months

> ago. The previous 3 months we were put into another

> apartment with the same situation by the company we

> at the time worked for. So I have been exposed to

> potential molds for almost a year now. It has been

> the last 6 months that really got me ill.

> Hospitalization, shrinks, meds that don't work, you

> name it. I am so frustrated because I want to move

> out and at least try to retain what health and

> energy I have, yet my husband is not budging. He

> wants to remain until our lease is up because

> otherwise we would have to use a buy out to break

> our lease. That is $2100 we do not have. Even if we

> remain, I am not sure he will

> leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the one

> who is NUTS! SO I can relate to your frustrations. I

> am slowing trying to talk to him and I print out

> several of these articles to show him that others

> like me are suffering. That this is a valid reason

> to move.

>

> I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am

> on a fixed income. We struggle with this rent, and

> if I were to go to a " cheaper " rent, I risk older

> homes and I am sure more mold. Not only dealing with

> this illness, but having to deal with finding a safe

> environment is enough to cause anxiety up the yang

> yang. Stay strong, have faith and pray alot. That is

> what I am doing each day.

>

> who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> sorry your going through this,theres not

> anything to easy about

> getting this illness,if you fell better when you are

> out aeay from

> there thats a starting point for you to consider.

> washing your

> sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if I'm

> thinking right,

> haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable or

> have some of the

> same effects, cant remember.

> some become so reactive it just doesn't help to try

> to get rid of the

> mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there

> while those repairs

> are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

>

> >

> > > Hi,

> > >

> > > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > > comfort

> > > because I am sitting here with sobs in my chest,

> > > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have

> moved

> > > and moved as many of you have and the place I'm

> > > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I

> started

> > > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > > bought

> > > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and

> took

> > > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar

> with

> > > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and

> brilliant-he

> > > suggested I do the mold plates with the purifier

> on

> > > because he knows how hard it is for me to move,

> that

> > > I'm low-income living on disability and the

> choices

> > > that are out there for me in terms of rental,

> and it

> > > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > > working..with

> > > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room

> was

> > > ok

> > > except the bedroom-24+!

> > > The owner is a very kind man and just came by

> with

> > > the

> > > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who

> used

> > > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every

> wall,

> > > in

> > > every room-also had other testing stuff that you

> > > have

> > > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner

> is

> > > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the

> plates

> > > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > > understanding it to the level we of course do.

> He

> > > is

> > > going to get the roof checked, as well as the

> crawl

> > > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of

> carpet

> > > and

> > > see what's under there. In short, he's willing

> to

> > > do

> > > whatever needs to be done, within his financial

> > > ability. He said he wants us to be comfortable

> here

> > > and considers himself responsible.

> > > Thing is, the rug was laid with a pad over

> > > concrete-my doctor has let me know that could be

> the

> > > source-no waterproof barrier..also, I lived in

> the

> > > unit adjoining and although there is a thick

> > > firewall

> > > between us, that place had a mold problem..I

> have

> > > little hope this place can be safe for me

> without

> > > the

> > > owner having to spend more than he is able

> to...I

> > > have

> > > been emotionally preparing for another move, but

> > > here

> > > is my pain:

> > > I feel because I have only Sec.8 money, very

> > > despairing about finding a " safe " rental, I feel

> > > despairing about moving and getting into another

> > > mold

> > > situation (there seems to be no really effective

> > > way

> > > of knowing), my loving partner understands to a

> > > point,

> > > but he is not as affected as I am, and is

> fighting

> > > cancer and diabetes and is 60 and dreading

> another

> > > move, and I am tired and have Lyme Disease to

> boot.

> > > With all the obstacles and so little resources,

> how

> > > am

> > > I going to get well? I know I have to but it's

> > > going

> > > to take a miracle. I think about moving to

> Arizona,

> > > cause it's drier there (I live in Northern Cal.)

> but

> > > my partner gets sick in the heat, though he is

> > > willing to consider even that. I still feel so

> > > alone

> > > and overwhelmed. I have one friend who has this

> who

> > > understands, but she has money to be able to

> just

> > > get

> > > out and find something else. Is anyone broke

> like

> > > me,

> > > having to get themselves out of this mess? It

> looks

> > > so bleak...I am 38 and I have been ill most of

> my

> > > life

> > > and I wonder if it'll ever change..

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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Whoa, thanks, I didn't know where to get the mold

plates myself!

I actually did get them from my doctor and did the

testing-that's what got the owner involved in the

first place. My doctor said to test with the air

purifier on so we could see how it was working. Most

rooms showed 3-4 colonies, one showed 5, but the

bedroom showed a whopping 24+! That's why the owner

is going to take air samples next. In the meanwhile,

I put an add in Craigslist, and I'm looking, but I

have to be careful not to go from the frying pan into

the fire..I'm on a fixed budget and my credit is

messed up from being sick..so I'm trying to do it all

with the resources I have..LOTS of prayer... I will

say I am much healthier now that the rains stopped and

the weather's been dry...

--- a Townsend <kmtown2003@...> wrote:

> Michal,

> Go to Lowes and get some mold plates. there 8

> bucks.Set them out for 1 hr follow the instructions.

> If there are more than 4 colonys growing its time to

> move. Dr Marinkovich and Dr Gray say if you are

> sick from mold you can't get better in living space

> with 4 or more colonys. It would also be good for

> you to know for sure. Not all Mold tester are

> qualified.

> Regards

> a

>

> Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

> Hey we have to stick together in

> this you know. There is strength in numbers they

> say. At least your landlord is willing to do that.

> Mine is not. It is either move into another

> apartment of the same complex or move out. If we

> break our lease now with 6 months to go, I would

> have to pay at least 3-4 months up front of our

> rent. I think that is so unfair as I did not ask to

> have MY health put in jeaporady, yet they are asking

> me to pay the penalty. Hubby will come around I am

> sure if enough doctors tell him and I that what ever

> is the culprit that is causing these health symptoms

> is not eliminated soon, I will be really sick. I

> hope your situation gets better too.

>

> Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

> Thanks, Deb, for sharing your story with me.

> I'm so

> sorry this has been so hard on you, too. It helps

> me

> to hear from others who are living on a fixed

> income

> and have to go through this..

>

> Since I last wrote, the owner of this place took

> the

> situation very seriously. He doesn't totally get

> me,

> but he is caring enough to want us to be

> comfortable

> here..he actually ordered air samples to be done

> here..they already had a tester in to detect

> moisture

> behind the walls, and he's willing to get the roof,

> attic and crawlspace looked at...thing is, he

> doesn't

> quite understand that since the place is built on a

> concrete slab and the only thing between the

> carpeting

> is a carpet pad, that that might be the source.

> However, as long as he's willing to work at it , I

> am

> too...I now have to deal with putting all suspect

> furniture in storage before they do the air sample,

> and my partner (who has a back problem, fighting

> cancer etc-admittedly) is already complaining.

>

> I swear to god I love him to death and really he

> has

> been for the most part supportive, but if this area

> is

> just a wash, I hope I have the cohones to start

> packing for Arizona, and if he wants to come with

> me,

> great! Course that's usually when they mobilize!

> LOL!

> --- Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

>

> > I can relate to family not understanding the need

> to

> > move. My husband and I moved into a apartment

> that

> > we know was damaged by a roof leak. It was

> supposed

> > to be gutted and redone but looks can be

> decieving.

> > I have been ill with something, Bronchitis, sinus

> > infections, respititory infections one right

> after

> > another without a break since we moved in 6

> months

> > ago. The previous 3 months we were put into

> another

> > apartment with the same situation by the company

> we

> > at the time worked for. So I have been exposed to

> > potential molds for almost a year now. It has

> been

> > the last 6 months that really got me ill.

> > Hospitalization, shrinks, meds that don't work,

> you

> > name it. I am so frustrated because I want to

> move

> > out and at least try to retain what health and

> > energy I have, yet my husband is not budging. He

> > wants to remain until our lease is up because

> > otherwise we would have to use a buy out to break

> > our lease. That is $2100 we do not have. Even if

> we

> > remain, I am not sure he will

> > leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the

> one

> > who is NUTS! SO I can relate to your

> frustrations. I

> > am slowing trying to talk to him and I print out

> > several of these articles to show him that others

> > like me are suffering. That this is a valid

> reason

> > to move.

> >

> > I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am

> > on a fixed income. We struggle with this rent,

> and

> > if I were to go to a " cheaper " rent, I risk older

> > homes and I am sure more mold. Not only dealing

> with

> > this illness, but having to deal with finding a

> safe

> > environment is enough to cause anxiety up the

> yang

> > yang. Stay strong, have faith and pray alot. That

> is

> > what I am doing each day.

> >

> > who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> > sorry your going through this,theres not

> > anything to easy about

> > getting this illness,if you fell better when you

> are

> > out aeay from

> > there thats a starting point for you to consider.

> > washing your

> > sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if

> I'm

> > thinking right,

> > haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable

> or

> > have some of the

> > same effects, cant remember.

> > some become so reactive it just doesn't help to

> try

> > to get rid of the

> > mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there

> > while those repairs

> > are takeing place as it gets stirred up even

> more.

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > > > comfort

> > > > because I am sitting here with sobs in my

> chest,

> > > > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I

> have

> > moved

> > > > and moved as many of you have and the place

> I'm

> > > > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I

> > started

> > > > getting those awful symptoms I know so well.

> I

> > > > bought

> > > > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier

> and

> > took

> > > > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar

> > with

> > > > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and

> > brilliant-he

> > > > suggested I do the mold plates with the

> purifier

> > on

> > > > because he knows how hard it is for me to

> move,

> > that

> > > > I'm low-income living on disability and the

> > choices

> > > > that are out there for me in terms of rental,

> > and it

> > > > would tell us how well the purifier was

>

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That can't be legal. Isn't your landlord breaking

some law by forcing you to pay when the apartment he

provided is putting your health in jeopardy. Would

doing mold plates and showing him the results, then

threatening him with legal action do anything? Maybe

consult a lawyer first...that is outrageous.

Yeah, hubby will come around. He's probably being

affected in ways he doesn't realize. I know my guy is

more irritable, and unable to sympathize with me

because he's defending himself all the time as his

nervous system is being attacked by mold-I recognize

that " I have just enough to get myself through the

day " pose-I get it myself. Just wondering..

You have my solidarity.

--- Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

> Hey we have to stick together in this you know.

> There is strength in numbers they say. At least your

> landlord is willing to do that. Mine is not. It is

> either move into another apartment of the same

> complex or move out. If we break our lease now with

> 6 months to go, I would have to pay at least 3-4

> months up front of our rent. I think that is so

> unfair as I did not ask to have MY health put in

> jeaporady, yet they are asking me to pay the

> penalty. Hubby will come around I am sure if enough

> doctors tell him and I that what ever is the culprit

> that is causing these health symptoms is not

> eliminated soon, I will be really sick. I hope your

> situation gets better too.

>

> Michal <michalvictoria@...> wrote:

> Thanks, Deb, for sharing your story with me.

> I'm so

> sorry this has been so hard on you, too. It helps me

> to hear from others who are living on a fixed income

> and have to go through this..

>

> Since I last wrote, the owner of this place took the

> situation very seriously. He doesn't totally get me,

> but he is caring enough to want us to be comfortable

> here..he actually ordered air samples to be done

> here..they already had a tester in to detect

> moisture

> behind the walls, and he's willing to get the roof,

> attic and crawlspace looked at...thing is, he

> doesn't

> quite understand that since the place is built on a

> concrete slab and the only thing between the

> carpeting

> is a carpet pad, that that might be the source.

> However, as long as he's willing to work at it , I

> am

> too...I now have to deal with putting all suspect

> furniture in storage before they do the air sample,

> and my partner (who has a back problem, fighting

> cancer etc-admittedly) is already complaining.

>

> I swear to god I love him to death and really he has

> been for the most part supportive, but if this area

> is

> just a wash, I hope I have the cohones to start

> packing for Arizona, and if he wants to come with

> me,

> great! Course that's usually when they mobilize!

> LOL!

> --- Deb Crum <pookiebear_44144@...> wrote:

>

> > I can relate to family not understanding the need

> to

> > move. My husband and I moved into a apartment that

> > we know was damaged by a roof leak. It was

> supposed

> > to be gutted and redone but looks can be

> decieving.

> > I have been ill with something, Bronchitis, sinus

> > infections, respititory infections one right after

> > another without a break since we moved in 6 months

> > ago. The previous 3 months we were put into

> another

> > apartment with the same situation by the company

> we

> > at the time worked for. So I have been exposed to

> > potential molds for almost a year now. It has been

> > the last 6 months that really got me ill.

> > Hospitalization, shrinks, meds that don't work,

> you

> > name it. I am so frustrated because I want to move

> > out and at least try to retain what health and

> > energy I have, yet my husband is not budging. He

> > wants to remain until our lease is up because

> > otherwise we would have to use a buy out to break

> > our lease. That is $2100 we do not have. Even if

> we

> > remain, I am not sure he will

> > leave. He has no issues so apparently I am the one

> > who is NUTS! SO I can relate to your frustrations.

> I

> > am slowing trying to talk to him and I print out

> > several of these articles to show him that others

> > like me are suffering. That this is a valid reason

> > to move.

> >

> > I am afraid to go to a new place because I too am

> > on a fixed income. We struggle with this rent, and

> > if I were to go to a " cheaper " rent, I risk older

> > homes and I am sure more mold. Not only dealing

> with

> > this illness, but having to deal with finding a

> safe

> > environment is enough to cause anxiety up the yang

> > yang. Stay strong, have faith and pray alot. That

> is

> > what I am doing each day.

> >

> > who <jeaninem660@...> wrote:

> > sorry your going through this,theres not

> > anything to easy about

> > getting this illness,if you fell better when you

> are

> > out aeay from

> > there thats a starting point for you to consider.

> > washing your

> > sinuses a few times daily may be a good idea. if

> I'm

> > thinking right,

> > haveing lyme disease may make you more suceptable

> or

> > have some of the

> > same effects, cant remember.

> > some become so reactive it just doesn't help to

> try

> > to get rid of the

> > mold. whatever you do, you need to not be there

> > while those repairs

> > are takeing place as it gets stirred up even more.

>

> >

> >

> > >

> > > > Hi,

> > > >

> > > > I'm just reaching out for some solidarity and

> > > > comfort

> > > > because I am sitting here with sobs in my

> chest,

> > > > feeling totally overwhelmed and alone...I have

> > moved

> > > > and moved as many of you have and the place

> I'm

> > > > renting now, as soon as the rains started, I

> > started

> > > > getting those awful symptoms I know so well. I

> > > > bought

> > > > an excellent air purifier and dehumidifier and

> > took

> > > > mold plate tests. My doctor is very familiar

> > with

> > > > mold illness etc-he is a naturopath and

> > brilliant-he

> > > > suggested I do the mold plates with the

> purifier

> > on

> > > > because he knows how hard it is for me to

> move,

> > that

> > > > I'm low-income living on disability and the

> > choices

> > > > that are out there for me in terms of rental,

> > and it

> > > > would tell us how well the purifier was

> > > > working..with

> > > > 4 colonies being considered normal, every room

> > was

> > > > ok

> > > > except the bedroom-24+!

> > > > The owner is a very kind man and just came by

> > with

> > > > the

> > > > realty company reps and a mold tester guy who

> > used

> > > > radiowaves to test for moisture behind every

> > wall,

> > > > in

> > > > every room-also had other testing stuff that

> you

> > > > have

> > > > to drill a hole in the wall to test. The owner

> > is

> > > > willing to do all that. I showed the guy the

> > plates

> > > > and I felt them take it seriously, but not

> > > > understanding it to the level we of course do.

> > He

> > > > is

> > > > going to get the roof checked, as well as the

> > crawl

> > > > space. He is willing to pull up a piece of

> > carpet

> > > > and

> > > > see what's under there. In short, he's willing

> > to

>

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Dear Jill,

I can appreciate your letter about having the reference material, but I have

to add that the responses of our fellow CMLers in reaching out has been even

more valuable to me. It's like saying, " Hey, look at me, I have CML and I've

made it thus far, and so can you. " The stories of those who came before us has

been invaluable. My CML buddies Bob, Bobby, Barb Stanley, Margot, are all

people I have relied upon to help me over the rough spots, they are part of my

earlier history. Now they are friends who just happen to have CML. Who can

forget Zavie with his Yipees and s and Tracey who can paraphrase something

faster than we can read it. Our longest living member with CML is Skip who I

would consider an icon in the CML world.

There are the special people I have met like Gay, who was the first person

to reach out to me online, or Rhonda who invited me to stay with she and her

daughter during Hurricane Gustav. There is no accounting for the acts of

kindness and thoughtfulness of people who call me regularly and send me " care

packages " .

I have to mention Annie, because she is not the patient, her son is, but she

and opened up their home to us when we passed through, and the sharing

goes on and on. I also met Anita Wristen and her family who were so gracious to

us. I am glad they are all safe, since they were affected by Ike and lost power

like the rest of us here. There are still others I am destined to meet in the

future. I met Genie in New Orleans last April and Barb Heathcote last year in

Houston. Actually meeting someone is like super glue that holds your friendship

together for a long time. If anyone is passing through New Orleans, we will

jump in the car to go and meet them.

While I send blessings to eveyone, I feel I am the one who is really blessed,

Lottie

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>

> please everyone,

> i am reaching out to everyone who has a kid with precocious puberty. what is

actually helping? can it be reversed?

--- One possibility, in a girl, is damage to the HPA axis causing adrenal

insufficiency, the adrenals work harder to put out more cortisol, and

testosterone is produced as a by product.

--- Have a hair test. Test for hormones. If the child has no amalgam fillings

do a trial of chelation with Andy's protocol and see what happens. If mercury

is the cause, removing the mercury with proper ALA chelation is the solution.

Adrenal support plus the usual supplement support will be needed during

chelation.

--- Or ask Andy.

--- J

please i am so new to this and so worried. having to deal with this in my

daughter as well my 3 year old with ASD is overwhelming

> catherine

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Hi ,

I've been through this with my daughter and was able to stop things with Andy's

help.

In her case, the cause was her overworked adrenals, which were causing the

productions of estrogens. We ran tests on her hormones and her levels were all

normal (except cortisol which has always been drastically low), which suggested

that she was having irregular bursts of sex hormones (as opposed to constant

levels I suppose).

The remedy for her included a substantial increase in adrenal support. I've

found it particularly important to give lots of Vit C steadily throughout the

day (she gets 4 g in 500 g doses daily), B5, adrenal cortext extract (she gets 5

caps daily), magnesium, licorice.

Also very key for my daughter was to take small physiological doses of

hydrocortisone. This is actually what seemed to stop the signs of precocious

puberty right in their tracks. But, cortisol is not recommended for children and

I would not have given this without Andy's guidance and that of a local doctor.

My DD also takes DIM and calcium-d-glucarate daily which help eliminate excess

estrogen.

The above treatment is something that I plan to continue until puberty.

Here is a post from Andy on this subject, look at others in the same thread for

more information: http://onibasu.com/archives/am/236512.html

From what I understand, treatments using Lupron also work, but you would need to

run tests first to see where the problem is to decide if Lupron is the right

treatment.

Feel free to write privately if you want more info.

>

> please everyone,

> i am reaching out to everyone who has a kid with precocious puberty. what is

actually helping? can it be reversed? please i am so new to this and so worried.

having to deal with this in my daughter as well my 3 year old with ASD is

overwhelming

> catherine

>

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> please everyone,

> i am reaching out to everyone who has a kid with precocious puberty. what is

actually helping? can it be reversed? please i am so new to this and so worried.

having to deal with this in my daughter as well my 3 year old with ASD is

overwhelming

> catherine

I just had a few more thoughts to share on this.

If you suspect that the adrenals are part of the problem for your daughter, then

you should start right away increasing the supplements that you have on hand

that can help. I've found that frequent dosing of supplements is so important

for adrenals to keep support available in the blood as much as possible and I've

seen this benefit in my children and experienced it firsthand. We all take

time-released vitamin C here and I give this to my children in the morning

before they leave for school and also at bedtime. Personally, I feel so much

better as a result of higher dosing of C.

If you have ACE on hand, you can also consider giving often, including in the

evenings or at bedtime. This doesn't seem to work for everyone, but here it is

useful. Perhaps it's a question of the degree of strain that is placed on the

adrenals for each person, but in a case where adrenal stress is contributing to

early puberty, I would guess that maximal support is desirable. (But if you

haven't tried ACE yet, start low & increase as needed.)

Also, stress and lack of sleep strain the adrenals a lot. I saw this clearly

with DD whose puberty symptoms started in late winter and continued through the

spring, then stopped over the summer (when we had a great, stress-free vacation

where she slept in every morning) and resumed again in the fall when school

started. It's no coincidence.

I've sent you a private message with more details. I would suggest talking to

Andy about this since he understands this area well.

I can understand your anxiety about this, but rest assured there is something

that can be done to help your daughter.

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feel free to email me off list on the subject. Our daughter had what

we thought was precocious puberty and it turned out to be an adrenal disorder

which is treatable. It is very important to get proper hormone saliva testing

done, among other things, so that you know exactly what you are dealing with.

Take care, olivia

> >

> > please everyone,

> > i am reaching out to everyone who has a kid with precocious puberty. what is

actually helping? can it be reversed? please i am so new to this and so worried.

having to deal with this in my daughter as well my 3 year old with ASD is

overwhelming

> > catherine

>

> I just had a few more thoughts to share on this.

>

> If you suspect that the adrenals are part of the problem for your daughter,

then you should start right away increasing the supplements that you have on

hand that can help. I've found that frequent dosing of supplements is so

important for adrenals to keep support available in the blood as much as

possible and I've seen this benefit in my children and experienced it firsthand.

We all take time-released vitamin C here and I give this to my children in the

morning before they leave for school and also at bedtime. Personally, I feel so

much better as a result of higher dosing of C.

>

> If you have ACE on hand, you can also consider giving often, including in the

evenings or at bedtime. This doesn't seem to work for everyone, but here it is

useful. Perhaps it's a question of the degree of strain that is placed on the

adrenals for each person, but in a case where adrenal stress is contributing to

early puberty, I would guess that maximal support is desirable. (But if you

haven't tried ACE yet, start low & increase as needed.)

>

> Also, stress and lack of sleep strain the adrenals a lot. I saw this clearly

with DD whose puberty symptoms started in late winter and continued through the

spring, then stopped over the summer (when we had a great, stress-free vacation

where she slept in every morning) and resumed again in the fall when school

started. It's no coincidence.

>

> I've sent you a private message with more details. I would suggest talking to

Andy about this since he understands this area well.

>

> I can understand your anxiety about this, but rest assured there is something

that can be done to help your daughter.

>

>

>

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The hormones in meat and dairy can contribute to this.

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Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:24 pm (PDT)

please everyone,

i am reaching out to everyone who has a kid with precocious puberty. what is

actually helping? can it be reversed? please i am so new to this and so worried.

having to deal with this in my daughter as well my 3 year old with ASD is

overwhelming

catherine

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