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I've read all the postings that went through my e-mail for more than a month now... And i'm pretty upset that i never saw you advertisement before....Maybe I missed it but i doubt it.... It sure contains a lot of info i had a hard time finding on internet. It's funny that your site never came up in the search for AIH. It should be advertise somewhere in the postings. It's really great for a person that is looking for info specially when you have just being dx...and your looking for a site with everything at the same place.... Congradulation and thanks.... By the way the joke idea is great.... from Canada

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Hi Matt,

I hope you do not take this personal, I am someone you have met.

I travel the world with my son to give him the ultimate care and

treatments. The entire month of June in Poland, home for 7 days, and

off to Miracle Mountain, for another 3 1/2 weeks. Cody always gets

the placebo effect from all the therapy we do, hey, that is okay...I

call it motivation. However, carrying over is a different story.

Yes, I may see some things briefly and he may not continue to do them

so willingly. Like walking 60 steps in the 2nd week of HBOT, totally

unassisted! He is still walking, started HS football w/my assist.

We will see his show again tonight at the game! The more he is

stimulated, the better the healing.

I missed all my other son's BB games in June, this isn't fun, but I

make the best of everything I do. After July HBOT; Cody is tracking

better, speech and swallowing improved, and his reading (thank God)

has jumped almost a full level (documented at school). I almost wish

I could say these therapies don't work, Cody did PT at home for 3

months between visits to Poland...no improvement. Poland in July

were his first steps after knee problems for 18 months. The changes

are remarkable in my eyes, I don't expect Cody to jump out of the

chamber. Perhaps your expectations are too high. Perhaps after 7 or

8 years with your daughter, your idea of " significant gains " will

change. Surround yourself with positive people and thoughts, it

works.

=====

Prayers of Healing,

Lynette LaScala (Cody's Mom)

" Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the world.

Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. " ~ Margaret Mead

And we will...thanks for caring.

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Hi Lynette,

Do not ever lower your hopes or expectations for the future for they are

what set the limits for our children. Don't fall prey to lowering your

expectations in the disguise of positive thought and positive people.

HBOT does do something, but our kids need so much more. My argument,

very simply, is that we need to take HBOT and EuroMed for what they are

and move on to more fertile opportunities as a community. This is the

only way to ensure that our kids get what they deserve - outcomes that

are radically improved. Unequivocal improvement, not improvement at the

margin which is what I feel you are seeing with Cody today.

Lynette, you may say that this is impractical and wishful thinking. I

disagree. Dr. Kowalczyk realized that I was different than anyone he

had talked to yet. As a society we have so much more to offer to our

kids than what is available today.

Keep doing everything you are doing for Cody... but hold yourself

accountable to finding the solution that will allow him to one day jump

to the moon.

The answer, I assure you, is closer than you think.

[ ] Re: Matt

Hi Matt,

I hope you do not take this personal, I am someone you have met.

I travel the world with my son to give him the ultimate care and

treatments. The entire month of June in Poland, home for 7 days, and

off to Miracle Mountain, for another 3 1/2 weeks. Cody always gets

the placebo effect from all the therapy we do, hey, that is okay...I

call it motivation. However, carrying over is a different story.

Yes, I may see some things briefly and he may not continue to do them

so willingly. Like walking 60 steps in the 2nd week of HBOT, totally

unassisted! He is still walking, started HS football w/my assist.

We will see his show again tonight at the game! The more he is

stimulated, the better the healing.

I missed all my other son's BB games in June, this isn't fun, but I

make the best of everything I do. After July HBOT; Cody is tracking

better, speech and swallowing improved, and his reading (thank God)

has jumped almost a full level (documented at school). I almost wish

I could say these therapies don't work, Cody did PT at home for 3

months between visits to Poland...no improvement. Poland in July

were his first steps after knee problems for 18 months. The changes

are remarkable in my eyes, I don't expect Cody to jump out of the

chamber. Perhaps your expectations are too high. Perhaps after 7 or

8 years with your daughter, your idea of " significant gains " will

change. Surround yourself with positive people and thoughts, it

works.

=====

Prayers of Healing,

Lynette LaScala (Cody's Mom)

" Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the

world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. " ~ Margaret Mead

And we will...thanks for caring.

__________________________________________________

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Matt,

RE: " we need to take HBOT and EuroMed for what they are

and move on to more fertile opportunities as a community. "

I agree with you in one point, there is more that can be done for our

children. But, there are multiple challenges with this assessment. And,

what are these " more fertile opportunities " ?

If we cannot even get physical therapy paid for (which is guaranteed by

most third party contracts) and they cannot get HBOT paid for (which is

guaranteed under Medicaid law... how do you propose to get these new

" therapies " (that have been yet to be dreamed up) paid for? For really

effective therapies like Anat Baniel - I wouldn't even think of trying to

challenge my INs/HMO. And, you know how much I support her work.

Not everyone can afford to pay for all the costs associated for their

children, regardless of how phenomenal these therapies are. The economics

for most families is devastating.

And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough TODAY, it

would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general medical

field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children. The most

difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to achieve.

Also, what basis do you think this technology will come from? You are not

happy with stem cells, you don't support HBOT, and you find many physical

therapies less than adequate. Yet, each of these follows solid scientific

knowledge and practices.

If there is a fully distinct scientific and neurological paradigm out

there, it will take even longer that ten years ... possibly 20 years for

most parents / patients to gain access to it. Further, very few of us will

take a tremendous risk of something that could have adverse effects on our

children.

Therefore, while we all support the hope of full recovery for our children,

most of us parents are dealing with the reality that, that hope is only

that - hope. Reality is that we have to move forward with what is known

and proven today with realistic measurements and results.

Thus, if you have something that is fully restorative of a CP / TBI child's

abilities, then please share it with us. But, I have said that it will be

50 years before this is possible. And, I think I am optimistic.

At 11:16 AM 9/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>Hi Lynette,

>

>Do not ever lower your hopes or expectations for the future for they are

>what set the limits for our children. Don't fall prey to lowering your

>expectations in the disguise of positive thought and positive people.

>

>HBOT does do something, but our kids need so much more. My argument,

>very simply, is that we need to take HBOT and EuroMed for what they are

>and move on to more fertile opportunities as a community. This is the

>only way to ensure that our kids get what they deserve - outcomes that

>are radically improved. Unequivocal improvement, not improvement at the

>margin which is what I feel you are seeing with Cody today.

>

>Lynette, you may say that this is impractical and wishful thinking. I

>disagree. Dr. Kowalczyk realized that I was different than anyone he

>had talked to yet. As a society we have so much more to offer to our

>kids than what is available today.

>

>Keep doing everything you are doing for Cody... but hold yourself

>accountable to finding the solution that will allow him to one day jump

>to the moon.

>

>The answer, I assure you, is closer than you think.

>

> [ ] Re: Matt

>

>

>

>Hi Matt,

>

>I hope you do not take this personal, I am someone you have met.

>I travel the world with my son to give him the ultimate care and

>treatments. The entire month of June in Poland, home for 7 days, and

>off to Miracle Mountain, for another 3 1/2 weeks. Cody always gets

>the placebo effect from all the therapy we do, hey, that is okay...I

>call it motivation. However, carrying over is a different story.

>Yes, I may see some things briefly and he may not continue to do them

>so willingly. Like walking 60 steps in the 2nd week of HBOT, totally

>unassisted! He is still walking, started HS football w/my assist.

>We will see his show again tonight at the game! The more he is

>stimulated, the better the healing.

>I missed all my other son's BB games in June, this isn't fun, but I

>make the best of everything I do. After July HBOT; Cody is tracking

>better, speech and swallowing improved, and his reading (thank God)

>has jumped almost a full level (documented at school). I almost wish

>I could say these therapies don't work, Cody did PT at home for 3

>months between visits to Poland...no improvement. Poland in July

>were his first steps after knee problems for 18 months. The changes

>are remarkable in my eyes, I don't expect Cody to jump out of the

>chamber. Perhaps your expectations are too high. Perhaps after 7 or

>8 years with your daughter, your idea of " significant gains " will

>change. Surround yourself with positive people and thoughts, it

>works.

>

>

>

>=====

>Prayers of Healing,

>Lynette LaScala (Cody's Mom)

>

>

> " Never doubt that a small group of committed people can change the

>world. Indeed, it is the only thing that ever has. " ~ Margaret Mead

>

>And we will...thanks for caring.

>

>__________________________________________________

>

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>And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough TODAY, it

>would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general medical

>field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

>devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children. The most

>difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to achieve.

Ed,

You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically Paragraph

5--was created.

However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America. For

Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will or will

not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the faster

every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll see

legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

legislature.

Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy for

brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences improvements,

this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability onto

the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric neurologist.

These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've universally

panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

incontinent.

What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure for

brain-injury.

Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up the ball

and run with it. It's in our court.

While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow in other

places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had some public

exposure.

It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent. There

are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient children

must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following this

policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are, other

states can resolve this issue quickly.

But it won't happen if we don't ask.

So ask.

Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state are you in?

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understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

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***You know, I just saw one yesterday, a hypocritical pedi neuro, and he

was. As I proceded to tell him all that had happened to my child and that

she had gone for HBOT with tremendous improvements, he interrupts and say

" Famous Florida! " and tells me that " they are really getting hammered down

there " , that this is raising the cost of medical care for everyone, then he

brought up the Canada study, and that's when I nailed him. I told him there

was no double blind and the control group received 1.3 ATA, that both groups

showed improvement and that my child does best at 1.25 ATA. Then he backed

off to the usual arguments of no studies in animal models, etc, they just

don't know...and THEN started talking about VNS and all the new drugs that

we could try. It was very apparent from his tirade that some of the neuros,

anyway, are running scared. Ellen

>

> Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy for

> brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences improvements,

> this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability onto

> the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric neurologist.

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At 03:34 PM 9/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:

Then he backed off to the usual arguments of no studies in animal models, etc

Ellen,

I sounds like you did well in holding your ground with the Ped. Neurologist.

FYI: You may already know this:

there have been animal studies completed. In fact Dr. Harch just completed

a study with rats giving them a " head-bonk " injury then treating it with

HBOT.

It clearly demonstrated the efficacy of quickly treating brain injuries

with HBOT.

Further, Dr.'s Harch and Van Meter conducted several experiments with pigs

by stopping their hearts for 30 minutes, and given half the group HBOT and

not the other half.. the results were exactly as you would think. the HBOt

group did well, the control group died from brain injuries. Further, if

you can get a copy of KKJains. Hyperbaric Oxygen Textbook, there are dozens

of animal experiments listed in there.

Unfortunately, HBOT is not taught in Med Schools and these docs never get

to look at this info.

Ed Nemeth

J. Nemeth

President, CEO

Spectrum Events

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>Further, if

>you can get a copy of KKJains. Hyperbaric Oxygen Textbook, there are dozens

>of animal experiments listed in there.

Ellen, those animal studies are listed in Chapter 18, which you can

download from

medicaid/files/HBOT%20for%20brain-injury.PD

F

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understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

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and Ed,

There is another very real possibility to the course of events that

might follow if HBOT's insurance reimbursement is forced through the

legislative process as you guys are promoting.

It might be that insurance companies and state Medicaid agencies will

not be happy with the same level of improvement that we parents are

happy with. They will demand extremely high functional improvement to

be achieved or they will cut reimbursement. HBOT might not be able to

deliver on those expectations. Have you ever taken your child to a

distant relative's house once a year for some holiday celebration and

been all pumped up about the improvements that your child has made, only

to be disappointed to have the relative half heartily make the comment,

oh yea, little ny seems to be doing real well. You know in their

heart they just do not understand, they do not understand the importance

of any gains that HBOT brings. They will understand even less if the

millions, maybe billions of dollars of HBOT reimbursements get passed

back to their insurance premiums in the short run.

I have spoke to Ed about this, the assumption that widespread use of

HBOT will lower overall medical and therefore insurance cost for brain

injured kids is a huge leap of faith. You may all feel this in your

hearts but no one know what the numbers will really turn out to be.

There simply is no reliable data today. If you are correct, wonderful.

However, if you have miscalculated, this will in effect cripple the HBOT

community, not to mention cripple any proposed brain injury treatment

that comes down the pike in the next 50 years.

I am willing to call a truce on this list. I will fully support fast

and efficient research to help quantify the impact of HBOT. It does not

need to come from double blind studies, just some good record keeping on

the part of many of the professional centers that monitor this group.

Then at least you have your own numbers to fall back on. We can use the

BRIGHT Foundation's limited resources to help accomplish this.

This is the way that I have always done business. Get the numbers

first. Any other way just seems irresponsible to me for the sake of our

kids and the next generation of kids.

Heck, I think if you look back at history the reason that HBOT has a bad

name today was because of some overzealous claims of a few in the early

1900's. Let not fall into the same trap.

Ed, I understand your argument that the problem is a difficult problem,

but quite frankly you sound like the medical establishment when you make

that argument. Just because a problem is difficult does not mean it

should not be attacked. Also, you are in no better position to argue

that the answer is 50 years away than I am to argue that is 5 years

away. All I know is that if we rely on existing modalities to treat our

kids and spend time arguing amounts ourselves, we will get nothing

better than the status quo. I want more for Alissa, and asking for more

than the status quo is the only thing that I am willing to goto

Washington and ask for.

RE: [ ] Re: Matt

>And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough TODAY,

it

>would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general medical

>field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

>devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children. The

most

>difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to

achieve.

Ed,

You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically Paragraph

5--was created.

However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America. For

Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will or

will

not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the

faster

every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll see

legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

legislature.

Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy for

brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences improvements,

this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability onto

the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric neurologist.

These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've

universally

panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

incontinent.

What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure for

brain-injury.

Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up the

ball

and run with it. It's in our court.

While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow in

other

places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had some

public

exposure.

It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent.

There

are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient children

must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following this

policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are,

other

states can resolve this issue quickly.

But it won't happen if we don't ask.

So ask.

Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state are

you in?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

" Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own

understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

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Guys,

This chapter makes a strong argument for exploring HBOT in acute

treatment but it is pretty weak on evidence for chronic injury which

99.9% of the people on this list are interested in. I would have

expected more references to the hundreds of children that Neubauer has

treated. He references four and then only vaguely. I don't recall

Harch referencing any of the children he has treated. You thoughts?

Re: [ ] Re: Matt

>Further, if

>you can get a copy of KKJains. Hyperbaric Oxygen Textbook, there are

dozens

>of animal experiments listed in there.

Ellen, those animal studies are listed in Chapter 18, which you can

download from

medicaid/files/HBOT%20for%20brain-i

njury.PD

<medicaid/files/HBOT%20for%20brain-

injury.PD>

F

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

mailto:dfreels@...

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Matt,

RE: I have spoke to Ed about this, the assumption that widespread use of

HBOT will lower overall medical and therefore insurance cost for brain

injured kids is a huge leap of faith.

Please note that we have pursued ONLY the economics of HBOT. None of these

third party or legislative groups gives a rats ass about our kids unless

the money can speak for itself. I do understand that reality. And, truly

the medical savings are there under the most conservative of estimates.

Unfortunately, there are two serious problems:

First, the last economic study completed by the CDC was in 1995 using only

Californai 1992 data. No one has bothered to review this since then, and

the cost drivers for our kids has increased significantly for health care,

respite, transportation and school and public services. This study showed

a lifetime cost of $503,000 per child.

Whenever I spoke to a governmental person with this study in my hand and

said the the costs are now probably closer to $2 million lifetime costs,

they always said " at least that and increasing every year. "

Second, third party payers do not have good information on costs for htese

kids because their strategy is simply not to pay. ... for anything.... no

matter what it is..... they simply say that you can take you child to the

government (Medicaid) or to the school, they have to pay. Of course this

is a lie.

So if they actually have to pay for something... anything... (other than

direct hospitalization) it will increase their direct costs for the patients.

But, they cannot say that. Because they cannot go to the government and

demonstrate that they are systematically denying guaranteed coverages. So,

they use excuses like " experimental " . Read the Blue Cross report on HBOT

on this website. read the two studies that they used, and what they said

about the studies. There is no way anyone would use those protocols and

expect anything! And, if they had minimal competence they would know

that. Of course they have minimal competence. So, why would they print this?

That, my friend, is why we have so many challenging problems. It has

nothing to do with the science. There is literally more science and

supportive evidence for HBOT than for anything else for our kids. and for

any other HBTO application.

Finally, forget the " costs " If a 75 year old medicaid recipient needs a

heart transplant they get it. IF a 80 year old man needs a kidney

transplant he gets it. These are each $100,000 propositions. Tell me the

economics of that as compared giving a baby $15,000 to $25,000 of

treatments and making them able to become independent and able to earn a

living, while saving and estimated $2 milllion in life time costs. That is

only three months interest costs on a life time a savings and a productive

tax paying citizen.

The cost savings are there for helping kids. There is no economic argument

that can get around this.

The only problem is that the people that loud moths like me are speaking

for are broke, and struggle 24/7 to care for their children and they can't

quite get the energy up to fight a full court press by a non-compliant HMO.

You and I are very unique in our resources, and abilities to fight for our

kids. And, third party payers have preyed on that situation. Stealing

money from handicapped kids. That's all that it is.

You really need to do a little more HBOT homework. You are missing a great

deal here.

re: Ed, I understand your argument that the problem is a difficult problem,

but quite frankly you sound like the medical establishment when you make

that argument. Just because a problem is difficult does not mean it

should not be attacked. Also, you are in no better position to argue

that the answer is 50 years away than I am to argue that is 5 years

away.

I am right on because I am considering the various avenues that break

thoughs will come from, as well as testing and optimization of these

breakthroughs. I have yet to hear of some modality or paradigm that

supports your vision! And, I have to be honest, it tries my patients. If

you have something, share it. If not, don't slam the accomplishments of

others.

Remember, the brain IS the final frontier. Forget other solar systems and

the center of the earth, or neural computers. Here is nothing that exists

in all of creating that matches the brain. And, we still know almost

nothing about it. It is a black box, within a black box.

Take child with a brain injury and put them in a HBOT chamber and they come

out better. That is as straight forward as any drug study ever completed.

Best wishes, Ed

Ed

At 06:29 PM 9/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> and Ed,

>

>There is another very real possibility to the course of events that

>might follow if HBOT's insurance reimbursement is forced through the

>legislative process as you guys are promoting.

>

>It might be that insurance companies and state Medicaid agencies will

>not be happy with the same level of improvement that we parents are

>happy with. They will demand extremely high functional improvement to

>be achieved or they will cut reimbursement. HBOT might not be able to

>deliver on those expectations. Have you ever taken your child to a

>distant relative's house once a year for some holiday celebration and

>been all pumped up about the improvements that your child has made, only

>to be disappointed to have the relative half heartily make the comment,

>oh yea, little ny seems to be doing real well. You know in their

>heart they just do not understand, they do not understand the importance

>of any gains that HBOT brings. They will understand even less if the

>millions, maybe billions of dollars of HBOT reimbursements get passed

>back to their insurance premiums in the short run.

>

>I have spoke to Ed about this, the assumption that widespread use of

>HBOT will lower overall medical and therefore insurance cost for brain

>injured kids is a huge leap of faith. You may all feel this in your

>hearts but no one know what the numbers will really turn out to be.

>There simply is no reliable data today. If you are correct, wonderful.

>However, if you have miscalculated, this will in effect cripple the HBOT

>community, not to mention cripple any proposed brain injury treatment

>that comes down the pike in the next 50 years.

>

>I am willing to call a truce on this list. I will fully support fast

>and efficient research to help quantify the impact of HBOT. It does not

>need to come from double blind studies, just some good record keeping on

>the part of many of the professional centers that monitor this group.

>Then at least you have your own numbers to fall back on. We can use the

>BRIGHT Foundation's limited resources to help accomplish this.

>

>This is the way that I have always done business. Get the numbers

>first. Any other way just seems irresponsible to me for the sake of our

>kids and the next generation of kids.

>

>Heck, I think if you look back at history the reason that HBOT has a bad

>name today was because of some overzealous claims of a few in the early

>1900's. Let not fall into the same trap.

>

>Ed, I understand your argument that the problem is a difficult problem,

>but quite frankly you sound like the medical establishment when you make

>that argument. Just because a problem is difficult does not mean it

>should not be attacked. Also, you are in no better position to argue

>that the answer is 50 years away than I am to argue that is 5 years

>away. All I know is that if we rely on existing modalities to treat our

>kids and spend time arguing amounts ourselves, we will get nothing

>better than the status quo. I want more for Alissa, and asking for more

>than the status quo is the only thing that I am willing to goto

>Washington and ask for.

>

> RE: [ ] Re: Matt

>

>

>

> >And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough TODAY,

>it

> >would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general medical

> >field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

> >devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children. The

>most

> >difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to

>achieve.

>

>Ed,

>

>You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

>*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically Paragraph

>5--was created.

>

>However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America. For

>Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will or

>will

>not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

>

>That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the

>faster

>every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll see

>legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

>legislature.

>

>Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy for

>brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences improvements,

>this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability onto

>the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric neurologist.

>

>These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've

>universally

>panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

>incontinent.

>

>What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure for

>brain-injury.

>

>Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up the

>ball

>and run with it. It's in our court.

>

>While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow in

>other

>places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had some

>public

>exposure.

>

>It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent.

>There

>are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient children

>must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following this

>policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are,

>other

>states can resolve this issue quickly.

>

>But it won't happen if we don't ask.

>

>So ask.

>

>Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state are

>you in?

>

>

>

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>understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

>paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

>evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

>

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Thanks Ed, no, I didn't know about these studies. Its interesting, as I

wasn't even pushing HBOT (not yet, LOL) I was just mentioning that she'd

been, and he was excessively defensive in my opinion. But then again, long,

irrelevant story, but I've caught him in a lie before, so I kinda knew what

to expect. He was our first neuro 11 yrs ago. Ellen

Re: [ ] Re: Matt

> At 03:34 PM 9/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> Then he backed off to the usual arguments of no studies in animal models,

etc

>

>

> Ellen,

>

> I sounds like you did well in holding your ground with the Ped.

Neurologist.

>

> FYI: You may already know this:

>

> there have been animal studies completed. In fact Dr. Harch just

completed

> a study with rats giving them a " head-bonk " injury then treating it with

> HBOT.

>

> It clearly demonstrated the efficacy of quickly treating brain injuries

> with HBOT.

>

> Further, Dr.'s Harch and Van Meter conducted several experiments with pigs

> by stopping their hearts for 30 minutes, and given half the group HBOT and

> not the other half.. the results were exactly as you would think. the HBOt

> group did well, the control group died from brain injuries. Further, if

> you can get a copy of KKJains. Hyperbaric Oxygen Textbook, there are

dozens

> of animal experiments listed in there.

>

> Unfortunately, HBOT is not taught in Med Schools and these docs never get

> to look at this info.

>

> Ed Nemeth

>

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Greetings Matt!

Have you even ever looked at Dr. Harch's elaborate web site? His first

thought about treating brain injured children was based on an emergent

situation. For a real smart guy, I'm afraid that you might not be

looking in the right places. If you want to contact parents to get

their input as if they are the scientists gathering info for a study,

you're barking up the wrong tree, and wasting you're time. If you're

serious about learning, then you'll have to spend some time actually

downloading info from website after website. I've been at it for almost

2 years now, and aside from the general knowledge of Medicine that Dr.'s

have, I feel like I'm more informed about hyperbarics than they are.

Not that they could never be, but they only know what they know and are

taught and are motifvated to learn. This same thing applies to you.

You have to want to know. Whether or not you accept what you see, is up

to you. How do you know that your kiddo wasn't helped? From what I

understand your kiddo is quite young, and the possibility is that if you

hadn't done HBOT for her that she would end up like my daughter, a 13

y/o spastic quad. Who can tell how my daughter benefitted from HBOT?

She can't talk to me about it, yet, but given time, my hope is that she

will. Your baby couldn't tell you either.

I'm not trying to be insensitive, but frankly, my take on you is that

you are trying to talk people out of trying something that can make a

real difference in their childs life. If there is any question in their

minds, you are trying to sway them in another direction or not try at

all, just because you don't " see " how HBOT benefitted your loved one.

Now, your discourse is important, but what it is doing for me is

solidifying my belief in HBOT for brain injury.

I remember a mother sometime ago relate their story about their first

visit back to their Ped's neuro after their child made some significant

strides because of their getting HBOT . Of course, the story went as

usual. The Dr. was questioning the efficacy and the mother just said,

well maybe I should tell my that she's supposed to stop talking

because she's not supposed to be able to, because the Dr. said so. Or,

I should tell her to stop walking, because she couldn't do it before,

and because the Dr. said she couldn't do it, that she should just stop?

NOT!

Get real. I'm not interested in this debate anymore. You need to see

more change in your daughter before you believe something works. Well,

to me minute changes can be like giant leaps, when your child hasn't

done anything, and for me and huge amounts of other parents, that is

like the olive branch in the beak of the dove after the flood. Noah and

his family knew that it was just a matter of time that the water would

recede and there would be more and more dry land. Receding waters take

time. We are not talking about instant coffee or microwave cookery.

These are disease ridden children whose bodies have been eroding without

oxygen, many for years. I'm proud to say that there is nothing you can

say to me that will make me stop working toward getting this therapy

into emergency rooms, EMT Ambulances, and delivery rooms so that it is

the first therapy that is done for our loved ones not the last.

With Respect,

Marlena Orndorff

Matt Palaszynski wrote:

> Guys,

>

> This chapter makes a strong argument for exploring HBOT in acute

> treatment but it is pretty weak on evidence for chronic injury which

> 99.9% of the people on this list are interested in. I would have

> expected more references to the hundreds of children that Neubauer has

>

> treated. He references four and then only vaguely. I don't recall

> Harch referencing any of the children he has treated. You thoughts?

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Matt

>

>

> >Further, if

> >you can get a copy of KKJains. Hyperbaric Oxygen Textbook, there are

> dozens

> >of animal experiments listed in there.

>

> Ellen, those animal studies are listed in Chapter 18, which you can

> download from

>

> ttp:///group/medicaid/files/HBOT%20for%20brain-i

>

> njury.PD

>

> medicaid/files/HBOT%20for%20brain-

>

> injury.PD>

> F

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Slam dunk, ED!!!

Marlena Orndorff

Ed Nemeth wrote:

> Matt,

>

> RE: I have spoke to Ed about this, the assumption that widespread

> use of

> HBOT will lower overall medical and therefore insurance cost for brain

>

> injured kids is a huge leap of faith.

>

>

> Please note that we have pursued ONLY the economics of HBOT. None of

> these

> third party or legislative groups gives a rats ass about our kids

> unless

> the money can speak for itself. I do understand that reality. And,

> truly

> the medical savings are there under the most conservative of

> estimates.

>

> Unfortunately, there are two serious problems:

>

> First, the last economic study completed by the CDC was in 1995 using

> only

> Californai 1992 data. No one has bothered to review this since then,

> and

> the cost drivers for our kids has increased significantly for health

> care,

> respite, transportation and school and public services. This study

> showed

> a lifetime cost of $503,000 per child.

>

> Whenever I spoke to a governmental person with this study in my hand

> and

> said the the costs are now probably closer to $2 million lifetime

> costs,

> they always said " at least that and increasing every year. "

>

> Second, third party payers do not have good information on costs for

> htese

> kids because their strategy is simply not to pay. ... for

> anything.... no

> matter what it is..... they simply say that you can take you child to

> the

> government (Medicaid) or to the school, they have to pay. Of course

> this

> is a lie.

>

> So if they actually have to pay for something... anything... (other

> than

> direct hospitalization) it will increase their direct costs for the

> patients.

>

> But, they cannot say that. Because they cannot go to the government

> and

> demonstrate that they are systematically denying guaranteed

> coverages. So,

> they use excuses like " experimental " . Read the Blue Cross report on

> HBOT

> on this website. read the two studies that they used, and what they

> said

> about the studies. There is no way anyone would use those protocols

> and

> expect anything! And, if they had minimal competence they would know

> that. Of course they have minimal competence. So, why would they

> print this?

>

> That, my friend, is why we have so many challenging problems. It has

> nothing to do with the science. There is literally more science and

> supportive evidence for HBOT than for anything else for our kids. and

> for

> any other HBTO application.

>

> Finally, forget the " costs " If a 75 year old medicaid recipient needs

> a

> heart transplant they get it. IF a 80 year old man needs a kidney

> transplant he gets it. These are each $100,000 propositions. Tell me

> the

> economics of that as compared giving a baby $15,000 to $25,000 of

> treatments and making them able to become independent and able to earn

> a

> living, while saving and estimated $2 milllion in life time costs.

> That is

> only three months interest costs on a life time a savings and a

> productive

> tax paying citizen.

>

> The cost savings are there for helping kids. There is no economic

> argument

> that can get around this.

>

> The only problem is that the people that loud moths like me are

> speaking

> for are broke, and struggle 24/7 to care for their children and they

> can't

> quite get the energy up to fight a full court press by a non-compliant

> HMO.

>

> You and I are very unique in our resources, and abilities to fight for

> our

> kids. And, third party payers have preyed on that situation. Stealing

>

> money from handicapped kids. That's all that it is.

>

> You really need to do a little more HBOT homework. You are missing a

> great

> deal here.

>

>

> re: Ed, I understand your argument that the problem is a difficult

> problem,

> but quite frankly you sound like the medical establishment when you

> make

> that argument. Just because a problem is difficult does not mean it

> should not be attacked. Also, you are in no better position to argue

> that the answer is 50 years away than I am to argue that is 5 years

> away.

>

> I am right on because I am considering the various avenues that break

> thoughs will come from, as well as testing and optimization of these

> breakthroughs. I have yet to hear of some modality or paradigm that

> supports your vision! And, I have to be honest, it tries my

> patients. If

> you have something, share it. If not, don't slam the accomplishments

> of

> others.

>

> Remember, the brain IS the final frontier. Forget other solar systems

> and

> the center of the earth, or neural computers. Here is nothing that

> exists

> in all of creating that matches the brain. And, we still know almost

> nothing about it. It is a black box, within a black box.

>

> Take child with a brain injury and put them in a HBOT chamber and they

> come

> out better. That is as straight forward as any drug study ever

> completed.

>

> Best wishes, Ed

>

>

>

>

> Ed

>

> At 06:29 PM 9/6/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> > and Ed,

> >

> >There is another very real possibility to the course of events that

> >might follow if HBOT's insurance reimbursement is forced through the

> >legislative process as you guys are promoting.

> >

> >It might be that insurance companies and state Medicaid agencies will

>

> >not be happy with the same level of improvement that we parents are

> >happy with. They will demand extremely high functional improvement

> to

> >be achieved or they will cut reimbursement. HBOT might not be able

> to

> >deliver on those expectations. Have you ever taken your child to a

> >distant relative's house once a year for some holiday celebration and

>

> >been all pumped up about the improvements that your child has made,

> only

> >to be disappointed to have the relative half heartily make the

> comment,

> >oh yea, little ny seems to be doing real well. You know in their

>

> >heart they just do not understand, they do not understand the

> importance

> >of any gains that HBOT brings. They will understand even less if the

>

> >millions, maybe billions of dollars of HBOT reimbursements get passed

>

> >back to their insurance premiums in the short run.

> >

> >I have spoke to Ed about this, the assumption that widespread use of

> >HBOT will lower overall medical and therefore insurance cost for

> brain

> >injured kids is a huge leap of faith. You may all feel this in your

> >hearts but no one know what the numbers will really turn out to be.

> >There simply is no reliable data today. If you are correct,

> wonderful.

> >However, if you have miscalculated, this will in effect cripple the

> HBOT

> >community, not to mention cripple any proposed brain injury treatment

>

> >that comes down the pike in the next 50 years.

> >

> >I am willing to call a truce on this list. I will fully support fast

>

> >and efficient research to help quantify the impact of HBOT. It does

> not

> >need to come from double blind studies, just some good record keeping

> on

> >the part of many of the professional centers that monitor this group.

>

> >Then at least you have your own numbers to fall back on. We can use

> the

> >BRIGHT Foundation's limited resources to help accomplish this.

> >

> >This is the way that I have always done business. Get the numbers

> >first. Any other way just seems irresponsible to me for the sake of

> our

> >kids and the next generation of kids.

> >

> >Heck, I think if you look back at history the reason that HBOT has a

> bad

> >name today was because of some overzealous claims of a few in the

> early

> >1900's. Let not fall into the same trap.

> >

> >Ed, I understand your argument that the problem is a difficult

> problem,

> >but quite frankly you sound like the medical establishment when you

> make

> >that argument. Just because a problem is difficult does not mean it

> >should not be attacked. Also, you are in no better position to argue

>

> >that the answer is 50 years away than I am to argue that is 5 years

> >away. All I know is that if we rely on existing modalities to treat

> our

> >kids and spend time arguing amounts ourselves, we will get nothing

> >better than the status quo. I want more for Alissa, and asking for

> more

> >than the status quo is the only thing that I am willing to goto

> >Washington and ask for.

> >

> > RE: [ ] Re: Matt

> >

> >

> >

> > >And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough

> TODAY,

> >it

> > >would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general

> medical

> > >field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

>

> > >devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children.

> The

> >most

> > >difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to

> >achieve.

> >

> >Ed,

> >

> >You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

> >*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically Paragraph

>

> >5--was created.

> >

> >However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America.

> For

> >Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will or

> >will

> >not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

> >

> >That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the

> >faster

> >every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll

> see

> >legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

> >legislature.

> >

> >Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy

> for

> >brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences

> improvements,

> >this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability

> onto

> >the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric

> neurologist.

> >

> >These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've

> >universally

> >panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

> >incontinent.

> >

> >What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure for

>

> >brain-injury.

> >

> >Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up the

> >ball

> >and run with it. It's in our court.

> >

> >While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow in

> >other

> >places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had some

> >public

> >exposure.

> >

> >It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent.

> >There

> >are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient

> children

> >must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following this

>

> >policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are,

> >other

> >states can resolve this issue quickly.

> >

> >But it won't happen if we don't ask.

> >

> >So ask.

> >

> >Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state

> are

> >you in?

> >

> >

> >

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> >understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make

> your

> >paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and

> shun

> >evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

> >

> >

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Hi everyone,

I feel like I am in an argument with my wife and we are each struggling

to get the last word in. So I guess I want to get a few more words in

because I think a few of my thoughts have been missed as this discussion

progressed:

1.) I am not against HBOT - I am not, and would never, try to talk a

potential parent out of doing HBOT. I am only trying to provide them

with another perspective.

2.) I am not looking to place blame - I do not have sour grapes because

Alissa is not progressing and looking to blame it on HBOT. Quite the

contrary, Alissa is doing fantastic! Sitting at 14 months, sitting-up

on her own at 16 months, combat crawling at 17 months, transitioning to

four point at 19, transitioning to standing at 21 months. Alert,

bright, engaged, huge understood vocabulary, strong personality.

3.) My expectations are high - To me, Alissa's progress is to be

expected. Why? Well because we are on top of every aspect of Alissa's

development and we can make sure that she maximizes her abilities

with-in the bounds of her injury by using a combination of the existing

treatment modalities. To me this is simply the status quo that every

parent should be able to achieve. If not on their own then with the

assistance of support groups, early intervention, their church, their

family, whatever it takes. Parents are extremely resourceful and

hardworking, and almost all parents actually achieve it. Lynnette's

post was a good example of that. I am simply saying, lets not stop

there and slap each others back and say what a great job we have done.

Why... because our kids are still very very hurt. I say when we achieve

the status quo, give yourself a night off, get the round of

congratulations from your support group, then come back the next morning

ready to take on the real challenge... how do we get beyond what is

already available today. This is where I would like to see the energy

focused by the talented people on this group.

4.) I know how hard it is - I know what I am asking is like winning the

triple crown, getting four gold medals, winning the Superbowl five

times. But people, if we don't do it for our kids, no one will. You

have got your kids this far. Why stop now? I am not looking to create

guilt... but the future is in our hands.

5.) Looking at HBOT from 40,000 feet - I am here not because I am

against HBOT but because I convinced that for all practical arguments

that the brain injured community already has HBOT.... and it has not

dramatically changed outcomes. I know that at least the UK, Russia and

Chinese communities have HBOT as a governmental sponsored treatment for

brain injury but they still have terribly hurt children. I know that

many, many of the parents on the list serves that I have monitored have

done HBOT. Their kids are all still very hurt.

6.) This discussion is beyond facts - Unfortunately, answering the

question of whether you want to devote your passion to HBOT or to

advancing beyond that status quo can is often not based on fact any

more. Marlena said it " I'm proud to say that there is nothing you can

say to me that will make me stop " . For many, it is now a question of

almost ideology. Historically, this is a dangerous situation.

7.) I am concerned about legislative precedent - I laid out my concerns

that if we force HBOT through the legislative process it may in fact

backfire and we may lose more than just HBOT. We may lose credibility

for all future treatments options.

8.) I am concerned that we are willing to settle for less than our kids

deserve - As a community, I am concerned that we are not fighting for a

CURE. Society is completely ready to look for and except a cure for

Alzheimer's, they are ready to find a cure for cancer and AIDS. But

somehow, our society, and even some of ourselves, are convinced that it

is not worth looking for a cure for our children.

9.) We have got to start sometime, it might as well be today - I will be

the first to admit that it is a tough challenge, but we have to start in

order to make progress. If we spend all of our passion on one piece of

the puzzle, like HBOT, then we will have cheated our kids and our kid's

kids.

My final words for a while. Lets give our kids HBOT, but please...

lets not stop there. Lets join together with a Vision to making this

the last generation of children to suffer from Brain injury.

RE: [ ] Re: Matt

> >

> >

> >

> > >And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough

> TODAY,

> >it

> > >would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general

> medical

> > >field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

>

> > >devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children.

> The

> >most

> > >difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to

> >achieve.

> >

> >Ed,

> >

> >You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

> >*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically Paragraph

>

> >5--was created.

> >

> >However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America.

> For

> >Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will or

> >will

> >not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

> >

> >That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the

> >faster

> >every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll

> see

> >legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

> >legislature.

> >

> >Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy

> for

> >brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences

> improvements,

> >this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability

> onto

> >the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric

> neurologist.

> >

> >These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've

> >universally

> >panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

> >incontinent.

> >

> >What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure for

>

> >brain-injury.

> >

> >Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up the

> >ball

> >and run with it. It's in our court.

> >

> >While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow in

> >other

> >places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had some

> >public

> >exposure.

> >

> >It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent.

> >There

> >are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient

> children

> >must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following this

>

> >policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are,

> >other

> >states can resolve this issue quickly.

> >

> >But it won't happen if we don't ask.

> >

> >So ask.

> >

> >Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state

> are

> >you in?

> >

> >

> >

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > " Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own

> >understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make

> your

> >paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and

> shun

> >evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

> >

> >

> > Freels

> >2948 Windfield Circle

> >Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> >770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> >509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

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> >

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Dear Matt:

I told several that I would not respond to your email......yet, now I feel

compelled to do so. I also have seen the PLACEBO effect of hbot. My

husband, Bill, suffered a massive brain aneurysm and then hemorrhagic bleed.

Totally neurologically devasted. Most know Bill's story - so I will not

repeat. But, after being a 24-hour care person for 3 years - we put him into

a chamber (me in there, also) and on the 8th hbot, Bill literally woke up.

Started initiating conversation (non-verbal for 3 years), walking unassisted,

eyes came into focus, stopped drooling, urges to go to the bathroom again,

stood more erect and stopped dragging his rt. leg. I am sure that Hyper-tec

could testify as to the wonderful PLACEBO effect he got. Now, with

additional hbot, Bill continues to improve further. And, talk about

additional therapies, drugs, alternative therapies, even hypnosis, aura

cleansing, you name it - if it was out there - conventional medicine/therapy

or not, he got it. Still very little response. Until the wonderful PLACEBO

effect of hbot. And, this was a man who doctors asked me to donate his

organs - this was a man who Texas Rehabilitation Commission ordered a

complete neurological work-up on one year before hbot, and the report stated

that Bill would be a VEGETABLE (per se)_ the rest of his life, never able to

interact - do for himself, would need constant 24 hour care for as long as he

lived. Talk to Ed Nementh. Bill was tired and wore out from the plane ride

from Texas to Calif., but he lobbied Assemblymen with me all day long and sat

next to me while we testified for AB 2763. Bill even said a few words to

the legislature - although, he talks continually these days. This PLACEBO

effect has given my husband back a life with quality. Will he ever work

again - probably not. But, who cares. He plays with his grandchildren,

pretty much does what he wants to do, is able to be left now alone for

several hours at a time and is trying to drive my crazy with his intense

desire to be independent again. And, because of our involvement with

hyperbaric medicine, I have met and witnessed hundreds of others, adults and

children alike who have been written off or suffering who also have received

miraculous benefits from Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy. Do they all get the same

results? No. Some are more, some are less. Very few see little results.

But, the odds of SOME good results are on our side. And, I know I speak for

everyone on this list when I say " I will take ANY good results we get -

PLACEBO or not - and thank God daily for the opportunity to have been able to

place Bill in a hyperbaric chamber. And, I will continue to do so for as

long as he lives.

" The answer, I assure you, is closer that you think. " Do you know of a

miracle cure or treatment on the horizon that we do not? Please share if you

do.

e Creacy

Wife of Bill Creacy

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Matt:

RE: My final words for a while. Lets give our kids HBOT, but

please...

lets not stop there. Lets join together with a Vision to making this

the last generation of children to suffer from Brain injury.

I am still waiting for this alternative, or new paradigm. Until something

is on the table, this is what we have to work with, and 98% of the people

that need this cannot pay for HBOT. Further, they cannot get reimbursement

for any of their guaranteed treatments.

RE: Other countries:

Come on Matt, the countries you named are seriously flawed economic

systems! You argument that many people didn't get HBOT is inane because

very few people get anything! Russia has gone through a cataclismic

econmic change 10 years ago. China, Cuba well their current problems speak

for themselves. UK Physicians readily accept the restorative powers of

HBOT. (I had a discussion with the Gloabl Product manager of Excelon after

DR. Harch restored an Alzhiemers patient to independent living and

function. He (a UK MD) immediately credited the patients improvement ot

HBOT and specifically NOT Excelon. And, he has a really strong economic

interest to push Excelon.

But, when you speak with a Russian, Chinese, UK or other

physician RE: HBOT, they will fight you tooth and nail if you discount

the effects of HBOT. Go read the second symposium research presentations

from Best Publ.

One Russian physician was quoted as saying, " What is the controversy, it

works! " . SO, where is the question.

RE: At 10:09 AM 9/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>and we can make sure that she maximizes her abilities

>with-in the bounds of her injury by using a combination of the existing

>treatment modalities. To me this is simply the status quo that every

>parent should be able to achieve.

This is the real issue. Approx. 90% of families with handicapped children

end in divorce.

And, that single Mom has several severe challenges in becoming involved

with another person. First, she has to spend 24/7 caring for her

child. Second, she needs to find someone she can trust with her child's

care and welfare; Third, she must find someone who has the (fill in the

blank) to love someone knowing that he will be forever second to a

handicapped child, and as well as be god enough to love that child (as

their own) and all the baggage that goes with it.

This person is obviously economically challenged if not only from her

situation as a single Mom, but also because of the extra uncovered expenses

required for their child. Also, by definition, she cannot enter the work

force.

Finally, she has to do all the things to investigate the care for her

child, learn all about medicine, as well as fight the insurance company

that is actively preying on their situation.

And, if she is not a single Mom, the family probably is broke and exhausted

anyhow. I know that I was never more worn out and exhausted of money, time

and energy as when I I was spending all my time fighting to get 's

contractually guaranteed therapies. When she turned three years old, I

fgured out that I could spend less time going out and earning the extra

money to pay for her care, and get better care,, guaranteed to be given

her, and with less destruction to my own health.

Not everyone has that option. In fact very few have it. And, you know the

support groups cannot deliver what is needed.

RE: Legislation: You do not understand the bigger fight required. Read

my last letter. This isn't only about HBOT. It is about ALL the other

therapies that are beneficial and economically effective, but not

delivered. HBOT is the focal point because it has more scientific research

and directly measurable benefits than anything else out there. These are

all in the gunsight. But, we have to go after a single target.

RE: Your praise for your daughter's improvements..... ever wonder what is

different about your daughter? She had HBOT at 4 months of age (which you

deserve exceptional credit for). Compare her to any other child that has

the same ancillary therapies.

I understand your position to " heal " the child. It isn't happening. WE

cannot even heal a badly torn cartilage. A very simple tissue system that

we have great comparative depth of knowledge. And great economic incentives.

I go back to my earlier statement - 50 years we will be getting

someplace. And that is only because we are fighting so hard for this

today. 50 years. We have yet to understand the teleologic impetus of

regenerating neurons - even though this has been delineated at the

subcellular, electron microspcopic level in 1980. It is known that

vertebrate regenerating neurons return to the same neurons that they were

ablated from. 20 years ago. We still don't know what to do with this.

And, you believe we are going to fully restore damaged brains in 5-10

years? we cannot even measure all the growth hormones released by HBOT, or

even know what they all are!

And, stem cells are 10 years away from any practical application,

forgetting the brain. That is the time that a solid isolated compound can

go from the lab to FDA approval and medical prescription.... forgetting

whether it will be paid for.

Sorry, Matt, you are a phenomenally great Dad. But, you are missing many

issues on TBI recovery. Re-look at the HBOT you gave Alyssa at 4 months of

age in a different light. You can only teach a broken brain (plasticity) so

much. IT needs more help. That help IS HBOT.

Also, please note that while I ardently support this medical niche, I

cannot wait for the day that your dream is fulfilled. IT is also my

dream. More than anyone will ever understand. I don;t ever want another

parent to go through what I did with . And, I don't want to see

her " friends " suffer anymore.

So, it you really have a new medical treatment paradigm for us to got

forward with, share it. Every parent on this list will do anything for

their child.

And, please understand that no matter what, I consider you on our " team "

and wish the best for Alyssa and you and your family. Dont;' ever think

otherwise.

Warm Regards,

Ed Nemeth

J. Nemeth

President, CEO

Spectrum Events

916-856-7044 x 339 Phone

916-856-7040 Fax

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Dear Ed,

Thank you for your well written response to Matt.

Mike and Betsy Tyler

RE: [ ] Re: Matt

> Matt:

>

> RE: My final words for a while. Lets give our kids HBOT, but

> please...

> lets not stop there. Lets join together with a Vision to making this

> the last generation of children to suffer from Brain injury.

>

> I am still waiting for this alternative, or new paradigm. Until something

> is on the table, this is what we have to work with, and 98% of the people

> that need this cannot pay for HBOT. Further, they cannot get

reimbursement

> for any of their guaranteed treatments.

>

>

> RE: Other countries:

>

> Come on Matt, the countries you named are seriously flawed economic

> systems! You argument that many people didn't get HBOT is inane because

> very few people get anything! Russia has gone through a cataclismic

> econmic change 10 years ago. China, Cuba well their current problems

speak

> for themselves. UK Physicians readily accept the restorative powers of

> HBOT. (I had a discussion with the Gloabl Product manager of Excelon after

> DR. Harch restored an Alzhiemers patient to independent living and

> function. He (a UK MD) immediately credited the patients improvement ot

> HBOT and specifically NOT Excelon. And, he has a really strong economic

> interest to push Excelon.

>

> But, when you speak with a Russian, Chinese, UK or other

> physician RE: HBOT, they will fight you tooth and nail if you discount

> the effects of HBOT. Go read the second symposium research presentations

> from Best Publ.

>

> One Russian physician was quoted as saying, " What is the controversy, it

> works! " . SO, where is the question.

>

> RE: At 10:09 AM 9/7/2002 -0500, you wrote:

> >and we can make sure that she maximizes her abilities

> >with-in the bounds of her injury by using a combination of the existing

> >treatment modalities. To me this is simply the status quo that every

> >parent should be able to achieve.

>

>

> This is the real issue. Approx. 90% of families with handicapped children

> end in divorce.

>

> And, that single Mom has several severe challenges in becoming involved

> with another person. First, she has to spend 24/7 caring for her

> child. Second, she needs to find someone she can trust with her child's

> care and welfare; Third, she must find someone who has the (fill in the

> blank) to love someone knowing that he will be forever second to a

> handicapped child, and as well as be god enough to love that child (as

> their own) and all the baggage that goes with it.

>

> This person is obviously economically challenged if not only from her

> situation as a single Mom, but also because of the extra uncovered

expenses

> required for their child. Also, by definition, she cannot enter the work

> force.

>

> Finally, she has to do all the things to investigate the care for her

> child, learn all about medicine, as well as fight the insurance company

> that is actively preying on their situation.

>

> And, if she is not a single Mom, the family probably is broke and

exhausted

> anyhow. I know that I was never more worn out and exhausted of money,

time

> and energy as when I I was spending all my time fighting to get 's

> contractually guaranteed therapies. When she turned three years old, I

> fgured out that I could spend less time going out and earning the extra

> money to pay for her care, and get better care,, guaranteed to be given

> her, and with less destruction to my own health.

>

> Not everyone has that option. In fact very few have it. And, you know

the

> support groups cannot deliver what is needed.

>

>

> RE: Legislation: You do not understand the bigger fight required. Read

> my last letter. This isn't only about HBOT. It is about ALL the other

> therapies that are beneficial and economically effective, but not

> delivered. HBOT is the focal point because it has more scientific

research

> and directly measurable benefits than anything else out there. These are

> all in the gunsight. But, we have to go after a single target.

>

>

> RE: Your praise for your daughter's improvements..... ever wonder what is

> different about your daughter? She had HBOT at 4 months of age (which you

> deserve exceptional credit for). Compare her to any other child that has

> the same ancillary therapies.

>

> I understand your position to " heal " the child. It isn't happening. WE

> cannot even heal a badly torn cartilage. A very simple tissue system that

> we have great comparative depth of knowledge. And great economic

incentives.

>

>

> I go back to my earlier statement - 50 years we will be getting

> someplace. And that is only because we are fighting so hard for this

> today. 50 years. We have yet to understand the teleologic impetus of

> regenerating neurons - even though this has been delineated at the

> subcellular, electron microspcopic level in 1980. It is known that

> vertebrate regenerating neurons return to the same neurons that they were

> ablated from. 20 years ago. We still don't know what to do with this.

> And, you believe we are going to fully restore damaged brains in 5-10

> years? we cannot even measure all the growth hormones released by HBOT,

or

> even know what they all are!

>

> And, stem cells are 10 years away from any practical application,

> forgetting the brain. That is the time that a solid isolated compound can

> go from the lab to FDA approval and medical prescription.... forgetting

> whether it will be paid for.

>

> Sorry, Matt, you are a phenomenally great Dad. But, you are missing many

> issues on TBI recovery. Re-look at the HBOT you gave Alyssa at 4 months

of

> age in a different light. You can only teach a broken brain (plasticity)

so

> much. IT needs more help. That help IS HBOT.

>

> Also, please note that while I ardently support this medical niche, I

> cannot wait for the day that your dream is fulfilled. IT is also my

> dream. More than anyone will ever understand. I don;t ever want another

> parent to go through what I did with . And, I don't want to see

> her " friends " suffer anymore.

>

> So, it you really have a new medical treatment paradigm for us to got

> forward with, share it. Every parent on this list will do anything for

> their child.

>

> And, please understand that no matter what, I consider you on our " team "

> and wish the best for Alyssa and you and your family. Dont;' ever think

> otherwise.

>

> Warm Regards,

> Ed Nemeth

>

> J. Nemeth

> President, CEO

> Spectrum Events

> 916-856-7044 x 339 Phone

> 916-856-7040 Fax

>

>

>

>

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Matt,

As a parent who has a child with CP and whose child had 62 HBO treatments so

far, my has not had the jump-out-at-your-face improvements with HBO,

such as talking, walking or even sitting up on her own. However, after the

treatments she was looser, louder with her sounds, ate and slept better, and

appeared more aware of things going on around her. This noticed by me and

family members at home who were not told of the improvements, but recognized

them...that was our own test so to speak. Even though she continues not to

talk, walk, or sit by herself, she knows the direction she is traveling in a

car as evidenced by turning a certain way leads to Walmart, and another way

not, crying when not stopping at church on the way somewhere else because

she had such a wonderful time at Vacation Bible School this summer. By the

way, when the car turns in the direction of Walmart, the screams and

laughing begin!!! She also knows directions from landmarks as evidenced by

strolling. She is now playing some games with us, simple little game

playing but that is a stage itself.

And as a parent, I will appreciate these gains, as simple as they may seem

to you or others, and I thank God every day for these gains. And some of

these gains will not have a produced by HBO tag on them, but the

improvements were there.

And for the magical CURE for cp and other brain injuries, the stem cell

therapy is at least 10 years away, and if you think that they will be

offering this readily to our little babies think again. Much will probably

be done on the adult level first with spill over later for the little ones.

By that time our little ones will be teenagers. Of course I hope and pray

that we do not have to wait that long. And I have also considered going to

Europe if and when they should start providing this to little ones if they

beat us in the time line.

And Matt, you may not ever realize how lucky your daughter and your family

are that you were able to provide her with treatments at so young an age,

but I hope you listen to Ed's advice and do a lot of research, then

hopefully you will.

Sincerely,

Betsy A. Tyler RN BSN CCRN MOMMIE

RE: [ ] Re: Matt

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough

> > TODAY,

> > >it

> > > >would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general

> > medical

> > > >field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for measuring

> >

> > > >devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children.

> > The

> > >most

> > > >difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to

> > >achieve.

> > >

> > >Ed,

> > >

> > >You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

> > >*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically Paragraph

> >

> > >5--was created.

> > >

> > >However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America.

> > For

> > >Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will or

> > >will

> > >not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

> > >

> > >That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the

> > >faster

> > >every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll

> > see

> > >legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

> > >legislature.

> > >

> > >Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy

> > for

> > >brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences

> > improvements,

> > >this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability

> > onto

> > >the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric

> > neurologist.

> > >

> > >These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've

> > >universally

> > >panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

> > >incontinent.

> > >

> > >What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure for

> >

> > >brain-injury.

> > >

> > >Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up the

> > >ball

> > >and run with it. It's in our court.

> > >

> > >While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow in

> > >other

> > >places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had some

> > >public

> > >exposure.

> > >

> > >It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent.

> > >There

> > >are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient

> > children

> > >must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following this

> >

> > >policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are,

> > >other

> > >states can resolve this issue quickly.

> > >

> > >But it won't happen if we don't ask.

> > >

> > >So ask.

> > >

> > >Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state

> > are

> > >you in?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > " Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own

> > >understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make

> > your

> > >paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and

> > shun

> > >evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

> > >

> > >

> > > Freels

> > >2948 Windfield Circle

> > >Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> > >770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> > >509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

> > >mailto:dfreels@...

> > >

> > > http://www.freelanceforum.org/content/portfolio.asp?ID=195

> <http://www.freelanceforum.org/content/portfolio.asp?ID=195>

> > >< http://www.freelanceforum.org/content/portfolio.asp?ID=195

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Hi Betsy and Ed,

I don't have the time to do it this weekend, however I do feel the need

to lay out were I think the hope lies beyond HBOT.

One thing that I would like to make clear is that I do not feel that

Stem Cells are the answer. Actually for the very same reason that I

don't feel that HBOT is the answer.

Betsy, thanks for the e-mail and I am happy for your improvements. I

fully understand that many parents see these types of improvements when

they do HBOT. We saw them in Alissa as well. I think that HBOT is

possibly acting on one of the key body systems responsible for producing

CP issues, and I don't think it is the brain. We have be able to

reproduce and even surpass these same results with a combination of

other therapies directed at the same body system. This is one of the

reasons I am convinced that HBOT is one of several therapy's that need

to be investigated with equal vigor.

This to me is the exciting aspect of HBOT... what can we learn from it.

Re: [ ] Re: Matt

Matt,

As a parent who has a child with CP and whose child had 62 HBO

treatments so

far, my has not had the jump-out-at-your-face improvements with

HBO,

such as talking, walking or even sitting up on her own. However, after

the

treatments she was looser, louder with her sounds, ate and slept better,

and

appeared more aware of things going on around her. This noticed by me

and

family members at home who were not told of the improvements, but

recognized

them...that was our own test so to speak. Even though she continues not

to

talk, walk, or sit by herself, she knows the direction she is traveling

in a

car as evidenced by turning a certain way leads to Walmart, and another

way

not, crying when not stopping at church on the way somewhere else

because

she had such a wonderful time at Vacation Bible School this summer. By

the

way, when the car turns in the direction of Walmart, the screams and

laughing begin!!! She also knows directions from landmarks as evidenced

by

strolling. She is now playing some games with us, simple little game

playing but that is a stage itself.

And as a parent, I will appreciate these gains, as simple as they may

seem

to you or others, and I thank God every day for these gains. And some

of

these gains will not have a produced by HBO tag on them, but the

improvements were there.

And for the magical CURE for cp and other brain injuries, the stem cell

therapy is at least 10 years away, and if you think that they will be

offering this readily to our little babies think again. Much will

probably

be done on the adult level first with spill over later for the little

ones.

By that time our little ones will be teenagers. Of course I hope and

pray

that we do not have to wait that long. And I have also considered going

to

Europe if and when they should start providing this to little ones if

they

beat us in the time line.

And Matt, you may not ever realize how lucky your daughter and your

family

are that you were able to provide her with treatments at so young an

age,

but I hope you listen to Ed's advice and do a lot of research, then

hopefully you will.

Sincerely,

Betsy A. Tyler RN BSN CCRN MOMMIE

RE: [ ] Re: Matt

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > >And, if someone were to come up with a tremendous breakthrough

> > TODAY,

> > >it

> > > >would be 10 years before it would be accepted by the general

> > medical

> > > >field. We are not talking about getting FDA approval for

measuring

> >

> > > >devices... we are talking about medical treatments for children.

> > The

> > >most

> > > >difficult and time consuming FDA and medical industry standard to

> > >achieve.

> > >

> > >Ed,

> > >

> > >You've hit the nail on the head. You are exactly right, and this is

> > >*precisely* why the Medicaid law for children--specifically

Paragraph

> >

> > >5--was created.

> > >

> > >However, we live in a country called The United STATES of America.

> > For

> > >Medicaid services, each state is free to determine what they will

or

> > >will

> > >not pay for--no matter what the federal law states.

> > >

> > >That's why some states pay for this and some states don't, but the

> > >faster

> > >every state Medicaid program *has* to pay for it, the faster you'll

> > see

> > >legislation like Ed's passed almost instantaneously by every state

> > >legislature.

> > >

> > >Once every 3rd party payor is paying for hyperbaric oxygen therapy

> > for

> > >brain-injured children and 95+% of every child experiences

> > improvements,

> > >this will force immediate public scrutiny and public accountability

> > onto

> > >the most hypocritical medical professional: the pediatric

> > neurologist.

> > >

> > >These clowns will have to explain this phenomena when they've

> > >universally

> > >panned HBOT. Suddenly, our children won't be the only ones who are

> > >incontinent.

> > >

> > >What will follow next will be a massive investment to find a cure

for

> >

> > >brain-injury.

> > >

> > >Unfortunately none of this will happen unless we parents pick up

the

> > >ball

> > >and run with it. It's in our court.

> > >

> > >While things move slow here in Georgia, they don't move that slow

in

> > >other

> > >places. Texas is prime for this since hyperbaric oxygen has had

some

> > >public

> > >exposure.

> > >

> > >It's quite possible our case won't be the one to set the precedent.

> > >There

> > >are laws on the books that say requests for Medicaid-recipient

> > children

> > >must be resolved within 6 months or so. Georgia is not following

this

> >

> > >policy, obviously, but with 49 other states out there, chances are,

> > >other

> > >states can resolve this issue quickly.

> > >

> > >But it won't happen if we don't ask.

> > >

> > >So ask.

> > >

> > >Matt, you're a smart guy. Lead the charge in your state. What state

> > are

> > >you in?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

> > > " Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own

> > >understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make

> > your

> > >paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and

> > shun

> > >evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

> > >

> > >

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> > >2948 Windfield Circle

> > >Tucker, GA 30084-6714

> > >770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

> > >509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

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> > >

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Betsy- I can relate to what you said about your

daughter recognizing sites when riding in the car. My

daughter has had over 80 treatments and when we're in

the car, she points out familiar sites and tells me

when she thinks I'm not going the right way to a

location. She has a better sense of direction in the

car also. There is better balance and she has had no

seizures- that I'm not sure if it is from changing to

keppra or from the hyperbarics. Sue

--- Matt Palaszynski <maplg@...> wrote:

> Hi Betsy and Ed,

>

> I don't have the time to do it this weekend, however

> I do feel the need

> to lay out were I think the hope lies beyond HBOT.

>

> One thing that I would like to make clear is that I

> do not feel that

> Stem Cells are the answer. Actually for the very

> same reason that I

> don't feel that HBOT is the answer.

>

> Betsy, thanks for the e-mail and I am happy for your

> improvements. I

> fully understand that many parents see these types

> of improvements when

> they do HBOT. We saw them in Alissa as well. I

> think that HBOT is

> possibly acting on one of the key body systems

> responsible for producing

> CP issues, and I don't think it is the brain. We

> have be able to

> reproduce and even surpass these same results with a

> combination of

> other therapies directed at the same body system.

> This is one of the

> reasons I am convinced that HBOT is one of several

> therapy's that need

> to be investigated with equal vigor.

>

> This to me is the exciting aspect of HBOT... what

> can we learn from it.

>

>

>

> Re: [ ] Re: Matt

>

>

> Matt,

> As a parent who has a child with CP and whose child

> had 62 HBO

> treatments so

> far, my has not had the jump-out-at-your-face

> improvements with

> HBO,

> such as talking, walking or even sitting up on her

> own. However, after

> the

> treatments she was looser, louder with her sounds,

> ate and slept better,

> and

> appeared more aware of things going on around her.

> This noticed by me

> and

> family members at home who were not told of the

> improvements, but

> recognized

> them...that was our own test so to speak. Even

> though she continues not

> to

> talk, walk, or sit by herself, she knows the

> direction she is traveling

> in a

> car as evidenced by turning a certain way leads to

> Walmart, and another

> way

> not, crying when not stopping at church on the way

> somewhere else

> because

> she had such a wonderful time at Vacation Bible

> School this summer. By

> the

> way, when the car turns in the direction of Walmart,

> the screams and

> laughing begin!!! She also knows directions from

> landmarks as evidenced

> by

> strolling. She is now playing some games with us,

> simple little game

> playing but that is a stage itself.

> And as a parent, I will appreciate these gains, as

> simple as they may

> seem

> to you or others, and I thank God every day for

> these gains. And some

> of

> these gains will not have a produced by HBO tag on

> them, but the

> improvements were there.

> And for the magical CURE for cp and other brain

> injuries, the stem cell

> therapy is at least 10 years away, and if you think

> that they will be

> offering this readily to our little babies think

> again. Much will

> probably

> be done on the adult level first with spill over

> later for the little

> ones.

> By that time our little ones will be teenagers. Of

> course I hope and

> pray

> that we do not have to wait that long. And I have

> also considered going

> to

> Europe if and when they should start providing this

> to little ones if

> they

> beat us in the time line.

> And Matt, you may not ever realize how lucky your

> daughter and your

> family

> are that you were able to provide her with

> treatments at so young an

> age,

> but I hope you listen to Ed's advice and do a lot of

> research, then

> hopefully you will.

> Sincerely,

> Betsy A. Tyler RN BSN CCRN MOMMIE

> RE: [ ] Re: Matt

>

>

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > I feel like I am in an argument with my wife and

> we are each

> struggling

> > to get the last word in. So I guess I want to get

> a few more words in

> > because I think a few of my thoughts have been

> missed as this

> discussion

> > progressed:

> >

> > 1.) I am not against HBOT - I am not, and would

> never, try to talk a

> > potential parent out of doing HBOT. I am only

> trying to provide

> them

> > with another perspective.

> >

> > 2.) I am not looking to place blame - I do not

> have sour grapes

> because

> > Alissa is not progressing and looking to blame it

> on HBOT. Quite the

> > contrary, Alissa is doing fantastic! Sitting at

> 14 months, sitting-up

> > on her own at 16 months, combat crawling at 17

> months, transitioning

> to

> > four point at 19, transitioning to standing at 21

> months. Alert,

> > bright, engaged, huge understood vocabulary,

> strong personality.

> >

> > 3.) My expectations are high - To me, Alissa's

> progress is to be

> > expected. Why? Well because we are on top of

> every aspect of Alissa's

> > development and we can make sure that she

> maximizes her abilities

> > with-in the bounds of her injury by using a

> combination of the

> existing

> > treatment modalities. To me this is simply the

> status quo that every

> > parent should be able to achieve. If not on their

> own then with the

> > assistance of support groups, early intervention,

> their church, their

> > family, whatever it takes. Parents are extremely

> resourceful and

> > hardworking, and almost all parents actually

> achieve it. Lynnette's

> > post was a good example of that. I am simply

> saying, lets not stop

> > there and slap each others back and say what a

> great job we have done.

> > Why... because our kids are still very very hurt.

> I say when we

> achieve

> > the status quo, give yourself a night off, get the

> round of

> > congratulations from your support group, then come

> back the next

> morning

> > ready to take on the real challenge... how do we

> get beyond what is

> > already available today. This is where I would

> like to see the energy

>

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Matt Palasznski I agree with you both Katy can't talk per say but when we are

rideing in the car going someplace familuar it ia as if she know's she get's

real excited when we go to grandma's house. She also had a reduction in

sezuires and requires no medication for sezuire control. She used to have

five to ten a day grandma sezuires included. HBOT is what helped her sezuires

for she is on ne meds for sezuire control.

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$127.50 sent for griffith card. I do not have aol. I can speak with you by

phone if you wish. Allan

RE: [ ] Re: Matt

> >

> >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > I feel like I am in an argument with my wife and

> > we are each

> > struggling

> > > to get the last word in. So I guess I want to get

> > a few more words in

> > > because I think a few of my thoughts have been

> > missed as this

> > discussion

> > > progressed:

> > >

> > > 1.) I am not against HBOT - I am not, and would

> > never, try to talk a

> > > potential parent out of doing HBOT. I am only

> > trying to provide

> > them

> > > with another perspective.

> > >

> > > 2.) I am not looking to place blame - I do not

> > have sour grapes

> > because

> > > Alissa is not progressing and looking to blame it

> > on HBOT. Quite the

> > > contrary, Alissa is doing fantastic! Sitting at

> > 14 months, sitting-up

> > > on her own at 16 months, combat crawling at 17

> > months, transitioning

> > to

> > > four point at 19, transitioning to standing at 21

> > months. Alert,

> > > bright, engaged, huge understood vocabulary,

> > strong personality.

> > >

> > > 3.) My expectations are high - To me, Alissa's

> > progress is to be

> > > expected. Why? Well because we are on top of

> > every aspect of Alissa's

> > > development and we can make sure that she

> > maximizes her abilities

> > > with-in the bounds of her injury by using a

> > combination of the

> > existing

> > > treatment modalities. To me this is simply the

> > status quo that every

> > > parent should be able to achieve. If not on their

> > own then with the

> > > assistance of support groups, early intervention,

> > their church, their

> > > family, whatever it takes. Parents are extremely

> > resourceful and

> > > hardworking, and almost all parents actually

> > achieve it. Lynnette's

> > > post was a good example of that. I am simply

> > saying, lets not stop

> > > there and slap each others back and say what a

> > great job we have done.

> > > Why... because our kids are still very very hurt.

> > I say when we

> > achieve

> > > the status quo, give yourself a night off, get the

> > round of

> > > congratulations from your support group, then come

> > back the next

> > morning

> > > ready to take on the real challenge... how do we

> > get beyond what is

> > > already available today. This is where I would

> > like to see the energy

> >

> === message truncated ===

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

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A very excellent movie. I own Lorenzo's oil. Another good one is " First do no

harm. " About a mother who has an epileptic son, whom doctors wish to give a

drug where the bottom of a Styrofoam cup just drops out onto the ICU floor.

They want to give this highly corrosive drug to the child to try to stop his

seizures, and the Mom is flabbergasted that something that potent is given to

humans. She goes on a quest, even just showing up on the door step of

Hopkins to get her son evaluated for the Ketogenic diet to help control his

seizures. (Again an instance where the doctors knew about the Keto diet, and

NEVER even offered the information to the Mom.) She found it through doing

her own research at the library.

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Tammy & Nate

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>Thanks Ed, no, I didn't know about these studies. Its interesting, as I

>wasn't even pushing HBOT (not yet, LOL) I was just mentioning that she'd

>been, and he was excessively defensive in my opinion. But then again, long,

>irrelevant story, but I've caught him in a lie before, so I kinda knew what

>to expect. He was our first neuro 11 yrs ago. Ellen

>

>long,

>irrelevant story,

Ellen,

It's not irrelevant if you caught a pediatric neurologist in deceit. They

are much of the problem, not the answer.

15 years ago a movie was released called " Lorenzo's Oil " (every parent of a

brain-injured child should watch it). It was the story of how a mom and dad

never stopped asking questions and never stopped looking for answer.

Finally they discovered a way to process olive oil (not a pharmaceutical)

that would halt the progression of their child's neurodegenerative disorder.

Today, pediatric neurologists rarely even mention it--let alone prescribe

it. In fact, two or three subsequent studies have been done that " disprove "

the benefits of Lorenzo's oil.

Yet the disease causes death in early adolesence (sp?)--and now Lorenzo is

25. Yeah, right, it doesn't work.

I would be interested in hearing your

>long,

>irrelevant story

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" Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own

understanding; in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your

paths straight. Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the LORD and shun

evil. " [Prov. 3:5-7]

Freels

2948 Windfield Circle

Tucker, GA 30084-6714

770/491-6776 (phone and fax)

509/275-1618 (efax, sends fax as email attachment)

mailto:dfreels@...

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