Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 now brand zinc picolinate is the capsule and zinc picolinate and rice flour only. they don't say what the capsule is, i have been taking it, it appears to be ok so far. > Can anyone refer me to a good zinc supplement without any additives etc.? > > Thank you, > Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 should mention i find the rice fillers fairely indigestible so i tip the contents out of the capsule into my mouth to mix it with the starch splitting amylase in silvia > > Can anyone refer me to a good zinc supplement without any additives > etc.? > > > > Thank you, > > Michele Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2003 Report Share Posted January 4, 2003 If it doesn't specifically say vegicaps then it's gelatin (cow toenails) SFrom: andrew [mailto: alevin@...] @...: Sat, 04 Jan 2003 23:08:26 -0000Subject: [ ] Re: Zincnow brand zinc picolinate is the capsule and zinc picolinate andrice flour only. they don't say what the capsule is, i have been taking it, it appears to be ok so far. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 5, 2003 Report Share Posted January 5, 2003 I always open the capsules & mix in liquid with other supps. Thanks, Michele In a message dated 1/4/03 7:32:25 PM Eastern Standard Time, alevin@... writes: << should mention i find the rice fillers fairely indigestible so i tip the contents out of the capsule into my mouth to mix it with the starch splitting amylase in silvia >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 Hi Barbara, I'm not very good with supplement questions, but it looks like no one answered this, so I'll give it a shot. > would adding a zinc suppliment, this one I'm using has: > vit. A 333iu > vit. C 33mg > elemental zinc 5mg > slippery elm 5mg > could this cause sleep problems? --um--there is not a reason I know of that it would. but that doesn't mean it couldn't, for someone, or for some reason I don't know of. Andy recommends zinc and C 4 times a day. (Also magnesium and milk thistle and B's 4 times a day.) > I have not started cleating yet ( waiting for shipment to arrive) he is also taking SNT, multi vit. w/iron, and papya enzymes with every meals.. also is their anything else I can do to prep his body for cleation? I don't know what's in SNT and your multi. vitamin E, mixed carotenes, vitamin A, and B vitamins are recommended by Andy. (some may be already covered?) Also milk thistle, good for liver, 4 times a day. (unlikely to be in any multi-vitamin product) > > Would flax oil be beneficial during cleation? yes, and before too. mercury and other stresses will use up EFAs (which is what flax oil provides) and B's and probably lots of other nutrients. You can give the flax oil once a day or less often. > I am scared about this but I know this is my last resort. I have been all over the posts and andy's site but nothing directly addressed this, that I found anyways.. if you want to read more about supplements you can go here: /files/ANDY_INDEX and look at the section on supplements and food. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 23, 2003 Report Share Posted January 23, 2003 Thank you! [ ] Re: zinc Hi Barbara, I'm not very good with supplement questions, but it looks like no one answered this, so I'll give it a shot. > would adding a zinc suppliment, this one I'm using has: > vit. A 333iu > vit. C 33mg > elemental zinc 5mg > slippery elm 5mg > could this cause sleep problems? --um--there is not a reason I know of that it would. but that doesn't mean it couldn't, for someone, or for some reason I don't know of. Andy recommends zinc and C 4 times a day. (Also magnesium and milk thistle and B's 4 times a day.) > I have not started cleating yet ( waiting for shipment to arrive) he is also taking SNT, multi vit. w/iron, and papya enzymes with every meals.. also is their anything else I can do to prep his body for cleation? I don't know what's in SNT and your multi. vitamin E, mixed carotenes, vitamin A, and B vitamins are recommended by Andy. (some may be already covered?) Also milk thistle, good for liver, 4 times a day. (unlikely to be in any multi-vitamin product) > > Would flax oil be beneficial during cleation? yes, and before too. mercury and other stresses will use up EFAs (which is what flax oil provides) and B's and probably lots of other nutrients. You can give the flax oil once a day or less often. > I am scared about this but I know this is my last resort. I have been all over the posts and andy's site but nothing directly addressed this, that I found anyways.. if you want to read more about supplements you can go here: /files/ANDY_INDEX and look at the section on supplements and food. best wishes, Moria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:04:03 AM Central Standard Time, aprokofiew@... writes: > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small > amount of zinc. > > > >> > this is Jon, anyone know why??? > My son is like this. One possible reason might be that his copper, in ratio to his zinc, was high. I have been giving him transdermal zinc for several months, and he is now able to get 7.5 mg zinc orally and about 10 mg zinc transdermally just about every day. If he starts getting hyper, usually if I stop the transdermal zinc for a day or two then he's OK again. Overall he seems better about zinc now, though I'm never going to try for the high amounts of zinc that some people are able to use. I'm guessing that maybe his copper level is more normal now and that's why he can handle more zinc, but honestly, this is all just a guess on my part. I really don't know. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 >> Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small amount of zinc. >> this is Jon, anyone know why??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 --- In , barb and tode <bvan227@c...> wrote: > would adding a zinc suppliment, this one I'm using has: > vit. A 333iu > vit. C 33mg > elemental zinc 5mg > slippery elm 5mg > could this cause sleep problems? Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small amount of zinc. >> I have not started cleating yet ( waiting for shipment to arrive) he is also taking SNT, multi vit. w/iron, and papya enzymes with every meals.. All of these things can cause sleep problems for many children, especially the SNT http://www.danasview.net/phenol.htm Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small > amount of zinc. > >> > this is Jon, anyone know why??? Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid action, so more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is hyperthyroid.... problems. Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure what's the connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to supplement zinc you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I am not sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection between zinc and B6. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 Also I have read that zinc's flushing effect on copper can cause behavioural problems if kids with high copper levels get too much flushed out too fast. Getting excess copper out is good, but it can cause irritability and behavioural problems. If you suspect this is happening could be a sign you should cut back zinc and molybdenum a little until things settle down. --- In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...> wrote: > > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small > > amount of zinc. > > >> > > this is Jon, anyone know why??? > > Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid action, so > more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is > hyperthyroid.... problems. > > Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure what's the > connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to supplement zinc > you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I am not > sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection between zinc > and B6. > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 thats interesting about zinc and b6 i though it was higher copper that got dumped when zinc was used that made for kids going wild i am a tad hyperthyroid and zinc if anything makes for slower. --- In , Valentina Scharpf <val@t...> wrote: > > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small > > amount of zinc. > > >> > > this is Jon, anyone know why??? > > Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid action, so > more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is > hyperthyroid.... problems. > > Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure what's the > connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to supplement zinc > you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I am not > sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection between zinc > and B6. > > > Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 I'm not 100% on this, but I think she was refering to the fact that high levels of zinc have been known to remove copper, now it is a metal but it is needed in the body..I have been giving my son liquid chlorophyll which is Sodium copper chlorophyllin, which I hope is leveling him off, I don't give too much extra zinc, but since I know he is absorbing very little due to toxisity. I do think this is working for us at the moment. I havn't seen any wild behavior yet. When I do I'll take that as a sign to stop the extra zinc. Thanks for all the input from everyone. Always appreciated! Highly!!!!! Barbara Re: [ ] Re: zinc In a message dated 1/24/2003 11:04:03 AM Central Standard Time, aprokofiew@... writes: > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small > amount of zinc. > > > >> > this is Jon, anyone know why??? > My son is like this. One possible reason might be that his copper, in ratio to his zinc, was high. I have been giving him transdermal zinc for several months, and he is now able to get 7.5 mg zinc orally and about 10 mg zinc transdermally just about every day. If he starts getting hyper, usually if I stop the transdermal zinc for a day or two then he's OK again. Overall he seems better about zinc now, though I'm never going to try for the high amounts of zinc that some people are able to use. I'm guessing that maybe his copper level is more normal now and that's why he can handle more zinc, but honestly, this is all just a guess on my part. I really don't know. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2003 Report Share Posted January 24, 2003 It says here " Low levels of B6 have been found to reduce zinc absorption " Barbara Re: [ ] Re: zinc > Some kids go wild/manic/hyper when adding more than just a small > amount of zinc. > >> > this is Jon, anyone know why??? Possible thyroid problems (as in hyper). Zinc increases thyroid action, so more zinc means the thyroid might work faster. If he already is hyperthyroid.... problems. Also, something else that influences zinc... B6. I am not sure what's the connection, but I was reading somewhere that if you want to supplement zinc you have to give B6 also because somehow zinc depletes it (??)... I am not sure if this is what I read, but I remember it was a connection between zinc and B6. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2003 Report Share Posted February 1, 2003 speaking of , haven't seen any posts from him lately. How goes the battle, ? Also, about the vitamin A palmitate, spelled wrong I " m sure, I notice this in Olivia's rice milk. Is it bad for everyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 I have one of the Kirkman ones, but it has Vit C in it. Then someone posted how you have to give the C separate from the Zinc (othes feel free to comment on this, as I still don't know) so advised on one of the Kirkman products that does not have C with the Zinc.... marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 hey, I might be wrong! Anyway, Kirkman does give one without the C in it. I still don't know exactly if given separate is important. Someone told me so but I didn't look it up !!!! Marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 you have to give the C separate from the Zinc GOod grief lol. If I had already read that tidbit I'd forgotten. How do we ever get all these supplements in and apart? lol. NOw I know why some people are up in the middle of the night giving supplements (and I don't mean chelation!) Jeez!! Thanks for the tip-glad I haven't ordered anything yet! --- In , Martharolfe@a... wrote: > I have one of the Kirkman ones, but it has Vit C in it. Then someone posted > how you have to give the C separate from the Zinc (othes feel free to > comment on this, as I still don't know) so advised on one of the Kirkman > products that does not have C with the Zinc.... > marti > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2003 Report Share Posted February 2, 2003 > I have one of the Kirkman ones, but it has Vit C in it. Then someone posted > how you have to give the C separate from the Zinc (othes feel free to > comment on this, as I still don't know) I give vitamin C in the same supplement as zinc and cal/mag. I have never had a problem giving it this way, and I see the benefits of both, so I don't know that it would be *required* to give them separately. This is just my family's experience tho. Dana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 Where can I get a good hypallergenic zinc picolinate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2003 Report Share Posted April 28, 2003 In a message dated 4/28/2003 7:17:50 PM US Mountain Standard Time, pmrskizner@... writes: > Where can I get a good hypallergenic zinc picolinate? > Allergy Research Group has a good one. <A HREF= " www.allergyresearchgroup.com " >www.allergyresearchgroup.com</A> Jane Mama to 5 3/4 (ASD) and 3 (NT-although does have sensory and gut issues) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2003 Report Share Posted April 30, 2003 --- In , " nz_mummy " <chrissiburg@h...> wrote: > My son has been on Metagenics Zinc Drink for over a year. He began > on one ml per day and now takes 2mls/day. 1ml contains 50 mg of zinc > sulphate and 11.25mgs of equiv. elemental zinc. > His latest zinc/copper test showed copper at 19.3umol/L and zinc ar > 10.9 umol/L. > I am not entirely sure what this means or what we are aiming for. > Can anyone enlighten me? > Also do you think 2 mls/per day is an adequate dosage or should I > increase? (2mls=100mg of zinc sulphate and 22.5mg elemental zinc). > > Thanks, > Chris Hello this is my attempt to keep your question alive so some can answer it. I have been learning alot about zinc myself I beleave it is the key in this whole problem we call Autism or mercury poisioning. I saw Walsh PhD talk at the end of March and he explained about the function of Metallothionein(MT) and its deficiency. MT is driven by zinc - Walsh like Zinc Picolinate the best and he has come up with a MT promotion I listed the items in this in a post several weeks ago #79228 - my son is really doing well now that I am supplementing all the amino acids and other supplements to prmote the MT function ( I also had been supplementing zinc for a long time) your son might bennifet from this too. MY 2 cents Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2003 Report Share Posted May 1, 2003 I am NOT the expert. Also, I dont know if you are giving him ALA or something that would increase his tendency to retain copper. I ran across something that said that zinc sulphate was not as easily absorbed as, say, zinc picolinate. But if you use the latter, be careful not to give too much because it is VERy absorbable according to this one source. Willis Langford reported a mother who could not get her child's zinc levels up until she used the zinc from wateroz. So there may be something about the dosage/the type/the source/the size to think about. marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 zinc methionine and zinc picolinate are the best ways to get zinc up, but i don't think you can continue with zinc picolinate too long because it preserves harmful vlcf'as or something like that. but zinc picloinate is brilliant for loading zinc to the brain zinc is synergistic with selenium and iodine so you need to look at those minerals as well. > Dear Friends > We have been striving to get my son's zinc levels up exclusively using > Kirkman's zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate). He gets 4.5 tsp a day > which is enough raspberry flavoring to gag a maggot. I'm wondering what > balance between one or all of the following is the best, in general: > > 1. Zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate) > 2. Zinc sulfate cream (Kirkman's) > 3. Zinc picrolate (Pfeiffer build up to MT Promoter) > > Thanks for letting me borrow your collective brains. > God Bless! > > > S. Hooker, Ph.D., P.E. > Staff Engineer > Pacific Northwest National Laboratory > MSIN K6-96 > 902 Battelle Blvd. > Richland, WA 99352 > Ph. (509) 376-4451 > Fx. (509) 372-1704 > Mo. (509) 366-2269 > Email: brian.hooker@p... > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2003 Report Share Posted May 3, 2003 , I don't like the sorbitol and all the other junk in Kirkman's zinc. It may be useful for it's useful ingredients, however. Picolinate apparently makes it harder to burn very long chain fatty acids -- Levin posted this but I don't have a source. So maybe you have to check out his fatty acid status if you want to use it longer term. Zinc sulphate is not hugely absorbable but someone else might know about the cream. I have zinc citrate and zinc sulphate from Elyte. Some people have said that only the wateroz zinc got rid of the problem of high copper in their child. marti In a message dated 2/5/03 11:07:18 pm, brian.hooker@... writes: > Dear Friends > We have been striving to get my son's zinc levels up exclusively using > Kirkman's zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate). He gets 4.5 tsp a day > which is enough raspberry flavoring to gag a maggot. I'm wondering what > balance between one or all of the following is the best, in general: > > 1. Zinc drink (zinc alpha ketoglutarate) > 2. Zinc sulfate cream (Kirkman's) > 3. Zinc picrolate (Pfeiffer build up to MT Promoter) > > Thanks for letting me borrow your collective brains. > God Bless! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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