Guest guest Posted June 19, 2003 Report Share Posted June 19, 2003 > I see so much written about giving zinc to our autistic children. > What would indicate that my son needs more zinc? Having deranged mineral transport, being mercury toxic, having poor growth or development. > What is the dosage for a 6yr old 46 lbs.? 25 mg 3 or 4 times a day. You can just try it for a few weeks and see if it helps. Even if he is high it takes a few weeks to really change body levels much so there is little risk if you do check and adjust what you are doing based on whether he has a mercury problem. > Thanks, Rh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 Yes!! He will need zinc. But do this wisely. 75 - 100mg of zinc daily may be indicated for your son, but you should do 2 things first. 1) Start slowly at 25mg daily and advance over a period of 4-6 weeks (maybe longer) to full dose. Zinc will cause copper to come out of your system and help with detox. If this process is done rapidly you may get adverse reactions. You don't want to go too fast and discourage yourself. 2) Have your copper and zinc levels checked. Do this prior to supplementing and then check in 6 months. If copper levels remain normal, it's ok to check yearly. If you suppress copper too much, you will cause a problem with hemoglobin synthesis and can induce anemia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2003 Report Share Posted June 20, 2003 These are not problems for mercury toxic people. And seldom for others, either. Andy. . . . . . > Yes!! He will need zinc. But do this wisely. > > 75 - 100mg of zinc daily may be indicated for your son, but you should do 2 > things first. > > 1) Start slowly at 25mg daily and advance over a period of 4-6 weeks (maybe > longer) to full dose. Zinc will cause copper to come out of your system and > help with detox. If this process is done rapidly you may get adverse > reactions. You don't want to go too fast and discourage yourself. > > 2) Have your copper and zinc levels checked. Do this prior to supplementing > and then check in 6 months. If copper levels remain normal, it's ok to check > yearly. If you suppress copper too much, you will cause a problem with > hemoglobin synthesis and can induce anemia. > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2003 Report Share Posted July 6, 2003 We use the Water Oz Zinc, Calcium, Magnesium and Water of Life formulas. It is clear, mixes in great with regular water or juice. My just turned 4 year old son takes it with no problem. Our doctor recommended it. One way to save money is to order it directly from Water Oz online. You can get a gallon for around $54 which holds 8 of the $16 dollar bottles. Quite the savings that way. Find a friend and share a gallon! Robin --- In , " mbrookh " <mbrookh@y...> wrote: > > " I have no idea why it works, but we tried WaterOz zinc " > > We, too, have recently tried this. Looks like water but seems to > work - and with the added benefits of no fillers, bad taste, or > hastles getting it down. We're also using the magnesium, calcium and > potassium. The white nail bed problem our daughter has been dealing > with is almost resolved. The nails are growing and stronger by far. > BTW, I've read where white nailbeds can be due to a selenuim > deficiency - we haven't tried the wateroz selen -have used a couple > of other brands through the years. B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 No, in 'normal' people it shoudl be given the the correct ratios, I have heard of 10:1 but I would suspect different sources say different things (mine is Willis Langford I think), so as not to cause an inbalance........... Mandi > Why would any company sell zinc and copper together? Are they just > plain stupid? Don't they cancel each other out? > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2003 Report Share Posted July 18, 2003 Why would any company sell zinc and copper together? Are they just plain stupid? Don't they cancel each other out? > >okay i went to health food store today and got >30mg zinc from zinc picolinate with 2 mg of >copper (from copper gluconate, citrate). to >be effective does anything need to go along <with that. > > My son has high copper so I just have the zinc alone. > Prue > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 20, 2003 Report Share Posted July 20, 2003 I believe you need some form of B-6 for absorption of the zinc. Either P5P or Pyrithione (?) spelling. They can't be given together. Give B-6 in the morning. Zinc at night. May want to consider Vit. C, Magnesium, Vit. E, Manganese, Calcium for supports. Good for you anyway. Carla zinc >okay i went to health food store today and got >30mg zinc from zinc picolinate with 2 mg of >copper (from copper gluconate, citrate). to >be effective does anything need to go along <with that. My son has high copper so I just have the zinc alone. Prue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2003 Report Share Posted July 23, 2003 low copper makes my arm tendons a bit sore, like rsi................ chopping wood makes the tendons sore ............ stop the zinc and things are ok in a day or two. took about four weeks of zinc to do that. interesting about the difference between night and day. will try zinc agian in the morning, interestingly took the zinc picolinate in the morning when i was successfully loading zinc before the migraines got to me. it just may be more efficently absorbed or not interefere with the absorbtion of other minerals so much with the increased stomach motility in the morning compared to night and sleeping. > >i don't understand your comment >about zinc picolinate? take >enough zinc over a while and you >will necessarily become short of >copper > > What I meant was when he was taking it in the morning many of the symptoms of pyroluria lessened/disappeared, including sensory issues and aggression. When I gave it at night the 'stitches' after sport came back and all the sensory stuff. It worked much better for those things when given in the morning. > > Oh I asked him about lowering copper levels. He said it would take on three years to lower his copper to where it was a problem. > Prue > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 My son uses a towel to wipe the tongue. He says it is gritty. He swallows and the residual must bug him. My son that does this isn't autistic but my other son is. He says he needs to wipe the tongue. Maybe you can try a dry rag. He doesn't wipe the vitamin off just the tongue. It's probably a small amount so maybe add a little extra just in case, but it seems to get him to drink it. He use to throw it up for weeks until this worked for him. Carla [ ] Zinc My son has been taking zinc for the last 5 nights - 1 teaspoon and we should be working our way to 2 teaspoons per night. I have been giving it to him in water. When he finishes, he gags and coughs a bit and trys to wipe his tongue with his fingers. I have read that if you taste zinc you don't need it and if you don't taste zinc you do need it. Any thoughts? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Some of the zinc sulphates taste bad. Zinc citrate seems pretty neutral, and then there is the wateroz zinc that tastes like nothing much at all. I don't believe that taste thing, but I wouldn't want my son gagging. How does the zinc taste to you? marti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 In a message dated 12/08/2003 09:47:40 GMT Daylight Time, MarthaRolfe@... writes: > Some of the zinc sulphates taste bad. Zinc citrate seems pretty neutral, > and then there is the wateroz zinc that tastes like nothing much at all. > Hi Marti It sure tastes in this house the Water Oz I mean. YUK! but we are getting some in.............does this mean we need it more or less??? All the family can taste it, I can understand the lad who wipes his tongue I read about recently. Mandi in UK PS We have double strength Zinc, the Calcium tastes bad also - Sam spat that out and this is a kid who can handle GSE and Biocidin herbal no probs.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2003 Report Share Posted August 11, 2003 Really, that tastes bad to you? Even if you dilute the zinc in water? I don't think it's so bad compared with, say, the biocare zinc sulphate. Okay, what if you just dropped it in a little lukewarm soup? m. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2003 Report Share Posted August 12, 2003 In a message dated 12/08/2003 09:57:42 GMT Daylight Time, MarthaRolfe@... writes: > Really, that tastes bad to you? Even if you dilute the zinc in water? I > > don't think it's so bad compared with, say, the biocare zinc sulphate. > >>Yep, all 5 of us very noticable in water too although the calcium is worse than the zinc. Sam does take them in his juice but I was hoping to do these of the spoon. Still waiting for the magnesium, I'd made an error and ordered Boron instead. I put that in the cupboard, not sure about that one LOL I agree the Biocare is yuk too, even a 2 drops in water. > Okay, what if you just dropped it in a little lukewarm soup? > >>Nah, don;t like lukewarm soup although with all the supps, Sam's juice does resemble it sometimes Will stick with it, getting more BCN minerals in these days so that helps but he still hates the vits Mandi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2003 Report Share Posted August 31, 2003 theres seems to be a magnesium chelate and zinc chelate that is some mix of chelates you can never find out what they are. i find the 'natures way' magnesium chelate ok but the zinc chelate not and i don't know what either of them is. actually rainwater from a heavily zinc galvanised tank seems to give a reasonable zinc loading but i have seen test reults for zinc methionine on a pfeiffer post that just blew me out of the water, if the pfeiffer docs had read it they wouldn't be using zinc picolinate. > What does zinc chelate mean? What amino acids would it be chelated to or are they all different? Anyone an expert? > TIA > Prue > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2003 Report Share Posted October 8, 2003 Hi Haya, giving zinc without food can be problematic as it can cause vomiting. I think it's OK to give it with drink or food. Margaret --- In , " Lottner " <Lottner@b...> wrote: > My question with zinc is . . . > > According to the package insert, it needs to be given separate from other supplements. How far apart? My son's supplement concoction (almond milk and potato milk based) contains calcium and magnesium and a whole host of other stuff including enzymes and probiotics. He drinks it first thing in the morning and last thing before bed and at any time in between (it's what I put in his bottle). When should I give the zinc? And in relation to DMSA and ALA? I can't seem to find a time when we are awake that he hasn't just had or is about to have a bottle. Are there any other supplements that need to be given alone? > > Thanks. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/03 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 Do you give enzymes and probiotics together? I thought it should be given at separate times. > My question with zinc is . . . > > According to the package insert, it needs to be given separate from other supplements. How far apart? My son's supplement concoction (almond milk and potato milk based) contains calcium and magnesium and a whole host of other stuff including enzymes and probiotics. He drinks it first thing in the morning and last thing before bed and at any time in between (it's what I put in his bottle). When should I give the zinc? And in relation to DMSA and ALA? I can't seem to find a time when we are awake that he hasn't just had or is about to have a bottle. Are there any other supplements that need to be given alone? > > Thanks. > > > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/03 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2003 Report Share Posted October 9, 2003 THANK YOU. So that's what caused the unexplainable vomiting a while back. I couldn't figure it out. [ ] Re: Zinc > Hi Haya, > giving zinc without food can be problematic as it can cause > vomiting. I think it's OK to give it with drink or food. > Margaret > > > My question with zinc is . . . > > > > According to the package insert, it needs to be given separate > from other supplements. How far apart? My son's supplement > concoction (almond milk and potato milk based) contains calcium and > magnesium and a whole host of other stuff including enzymes and > probiotics. He drinks it first thing in the morning and last thing > before bed and at any time in between (it's what I put in his > bottle). When should I give the zinc? And in relation to DMSA and > ALA? I can't seem to find a time when we are awake that he hasn't > just had or is about to have a bottle. Are there any other > supplements that need to be given alone? > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.522 / Virus Database: 320 - Release Date: 29/09/03 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 , Do you think Ionic Zinc (Metabolics)would have an anti yeast effect? Haven't checked out optizinc--try to give my very sensitive daughter the least number of ingredients. Thanks, > > > its a testimony to the anti yeast effect of this source natural > optizinc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 if you take a supplement and it works then she should be noticably less sensitive so you are already saying it doesn't work. amino acid chelates like optizinc are really what brough mineral supplementation out of the dark adges into the light. ionic minerals are garden fertiliser. have you taken it yourself? if you don't do the supplements yourself you might as well drift forever in the eternal half light of one step forward one step back > > > > > > its a testimony to the anti yeast effect of this source natural > > optizinc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2004 Report Share Posted May 14, 2004 It did for my son Mandi in UK Do you think Ionic Zinc (Metabolics)would have an anti yeast effect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Mandi, Thanks for your reply. I'm trying the Ionic Mag. Seeing benefits but she has a bottom rash which means she might not be tolerating it. So frustrated she isn't tolerating supps she seems to need. > It did for my son > Mandi in UK > > Do you think Ionic Zinc (Metabolics)would have an anti yeast > effect? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2004 Report Share Posted May 15, 2004 Mandi, Thanks for your reply. I'm trying the Ionic Mag. Seeing benefits but she has a bottom rash which means she might not be tolerating it. So frustrated she isn't tolerating supps she seems to need. > It did for my son > Mandi in UK > > Do you think Ionic Zinc (Metabolics)would have an anti yeast > effect? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 Hi , We trialed several zincs as well -- they were disastrous -- but have had marvelous results with the LiquiZinc. Sorry, we've never tried the WaterOz. I think andrew likes it? Maybe he'll post. > Before we begin WaterOz, was wondering what the general consensus was with regards to WaterOz vs. Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 water oz zinc is zinc chloride, proably not suitable as a bulk zinc source but may the occaisaonl use as a stomach anti viral. it would be helpful for epople to say what zincs they had trialed without good results or were a disaster, i'm not that keen on the liquizinc becuse of the citrate in it howver my disaster with zinc was the effetivness of the suplementation with molybdenum removing to much copper ............................. copper is actually more essential than zinc imo. have written up on copper sebacate in 'minerals i take' in http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html i suspect that high copper kids actually have copper in the wrong form. > > Before we begin WaterOz, was wondering what the general consensus > was with regards to WaterOz vs. Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 > it would be helpful for epople to say what zincs they had trialed > without good results or were a disaster, Now brand zinc picolinate was a disaster. I also tried upping the minerals portion of our Spectrum II to increase the zinc -- YIKES. Pfeiffer thought he was responding badly to the MSM, though he does very well on the lower dose. There was one more type of zinc but I'm spacing now. i'm not that keen on the > liquizinc becuse of the citrate in it Yes, I remember now -- you think it feeds yeast? You might remember I checked with Terri about this on this board awhile back. She said they're not finding that, but I've been watching closely since I started the LiquiZinc for signs of yeast. > http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html > > i suspect that high copper kids actually have copper in the wrong > form. Did you follow a chain on abmd awhile back -- someone posting their own thoughts that what looked like high copper was actually low copper. I know I'm butchering that but it's always stayed in the back of my mind as we monitor progress on the zinc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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