Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 the citrate is most likely feeding yeast. $6 for a bottle of 120 tablet source naturals copper sebacate, try say 1/8 of a tablet, i noticed an improveemnt in about four hours yeah julie of germany and one other i think posted but she hasn't posted recently. that thread got me thinking too. probably trying copper is the only way to tell, if a kid was high copper and reacted unfavourbly THAT tells you a lot too, zinc and molybdenum need to bring down the un-bioavailiable copper so you can step in with the bioavailiable copper sebacate at some point. copper is essential for the immune system after a while you cna see the difference with things like yeast as well as viral immunity. no doubt in a year or so it will beome acceptable after dan put it on thier bandwagon. > > it would be helpful for epople to say what zincs they had trialed > > without good results or were a disaster, > > Now brand zinc picolinate was a disaster. I also tried upping the > minerals portion of our Spectrum II to increase the zinc -- YIKES. > Pfeiffer thought he was responding badly to the MSM, though he does > very well on the lower dose. There was one more type of zinc but I'm > spacing now. > > i'm not that keen on the > > liquizinc becuse of the citrate in it > > Yes, I remember now -- you think it feeds yeast? You might remember > I checked with Terri about this on this board awhile back. She said > they're not finding that, but I've been watching closely since I > started the LiquiZinc for signs of yeast. > > > http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html > > > > i suspect that high copper kids actually have copper in the wrong > > form. > > Did you follow a chain on abmd awhile back -- someone posting their > own thoughts that what looked like high copper was actually low > copper. I know I'm butchering that but it's always stayed in the > back of my mind as we monitor progress on the zinc... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2004 Report Share Posted June 15, 2004 I used the Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc and their Minerals Only with good results. Also the TwinLabs brand Zinc caps which are zinc gluconate and picolate (sp?). For my older son it helped with his constant chewing (the chewies). My kids may not be as sensitive to zinc brands as others. We have never had yeast problems. You might want to ask Brainchilds what the difference is. They are usually good about saying if another brand has an advantage over theirs. It might be a certain form is used for a certain reason. Doesn't Brainchild's have trial sizes? Maybe the other company does too. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Excellent. Thanks much. Re: Zinc > Hi , > > We trialed several zincs as well -- they were disastrous -- but have > had marvelous results with the LiquiZinc. Sorry, we've never tried > the WaterOz. I think andrew likes it? Maybe he'll post. > > > > > > Before we begin WaterOz, was wondering what the general consensus > was with regards to WaterOz vs. Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc? > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2004 Report Share Posted June 17, 2004 Thank you much. Re: Zinc > I used the Brainchild Nutritionals Liquizinc and their Minerals Only > with good results. Also the TwinLabs brand Zinc caps which are zinc > gluconate and picolate (sp?). For my older son it helped with his > constant chewing (the chewies). My kids may not be as sensitive to > zinc brands as others. We have never had yeast problems. > > You might want to ask Brainchilds what the difference is. They are > usually good about saying if another brand has an advantage over > theirs. It might be a certain form is used for a certain reason. > Doesn't Brainchild's have trial sizes? Maybe the other company does > too. > > . > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2004 Report Share Posted June 19, 2004 source naturals optizinc and be careful at some point you will need copper 'minerals i take on' http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see most > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split them > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is the > best to look for.. > Thanks for your help > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 Hi , I dont see the zinc on this list..how much should be taken? and where do I find the source natural optizinc..What about eh copper.. Thanks -- In , " andrew " <alevin@i...> wrote: > > > source naturals optizinc and be careful at some point you will need > copper > > > 'minerals i take on' > > http://mueller_ranges.tripod.com/links/compendium/compendium.html > > > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see most > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split them > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is the > > best to look for.. > > Thanks for your help > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2004 Report Share Posted June 21, 2004 that list is an index, 'minerals i take' in that index has the minerals in i use betterlife.com in la because it is closest to me but other internet retailers or hfs may suit......... the amount taken depends on weight, how much is the weight?. source naturals do a good copper 'copepr sebacate' in pill form too but you really need to read that page to understand the issues. > > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see > most > > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split > them > > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is the > > > best to look for.. > > > Thanks for your help > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 Hi ok thanks Ill check it out..I guess I just missed it.. she weighs 65 pds.. julie > > > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see > > most > > > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split > > them > > > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is > the > > > > best to look for.. > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2004 Report Share Posted June 22, 2004 well i take 1/4 of a tablet of the source naturals optizinc about 1/2 an hour after a meal and between two and three 1/4s a day so at half the weight she would be 1/8th of a tablet i think i can't rave on enough about how optizinc and the copper sebacate work together for overall immune resistance esp the copper sebacate as a fantastic anti viral. am taking a 1/4 tablets of copper sebacate twice or even three times a day, seems ok or even preferred on an emptyish stoamch. > > > > > Hi, Im looking for a zinc supplement in a tablet form..I see > > > most > > > > > use the liquid but the capsules work well for us and I split > > > them > > > > > with a pill cutter..there are so many types of zinc which is > > the > > > > > best to look for.. > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 > > it would be helpful for epople to say what zincs they had trialed > > without good results or were a disaster, > > Now brand zinc picolinate was a disaster. I also tried upping the > minerals portion of our Spectrum II to increase the zinc -- YIKES. What happened with the Brainchild minerals? My son tolerates very well sup in general but reacted very strongly to the Brainchild minerals (rash on his body, stomachache..). Thanks, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, melmeighen@... writes: > Well, he basically went psycho. n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a miniscule dose. Nell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 In a message dated 6/23/2004 11:47:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, terri@... writes: > turns out it was the MSM in the regular > minerals causing the reaction Thanks, Terri, I wondered about that. I do give him NAC sometimes with no trouble, so it's not the extra sulfur. This week he's not tolerating something in his supps. So I'm going to start from scratch, one by one. I think for n any kind of multi is just doomed. (Yes, , I heard you....) Nel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Hi , > What happened with the Brainchild minerals? > My son tolerates very well sup in general but reacted very strongly > to the Brainchild minerals (rash on his body, stomachache..). > Thanks, > Well, he basically went psycho. Crying over TV shows (like the tank engine getting in a crash -- which, if you've ever seen , he does about five times per show), absolutely screaming and losing it if the tiniest thing didn't go his way, asking for one thing, then when we brought it, screaming for something completely different, etc. etc. Nothing physical like rashes or stomachache that I could see, just extreme behavioral issues. Which was also what happened when we trialed additional TwinLabs B6. And Zyme Prime. And zinc picolinate. It seems to be his standard reaction to supps he can't tolerate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Wow, this is pretty interesting to me. If all of you are describing reactions to the same product, Spectrum Support Minerals, I'm kind of surprised. Usually this is the one of our products that the large majority kids tolerate really well. I can only think of one other customer I've talked to whose child had this strong a reaction to the minerals. You all might want to give the Ultra-Sensitive minerals a try, by the way, because for this person I'm thinking about, turns out it was the MSM in the regular minerals causing the reaction, and now the child is doing great on Ultra Sensitive Minerals and one of our other vitamin formulas. Terri at Brainchild At 11:03 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, >melmeighen@... writes: > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a >miniscule dose. > >Nell > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Do you know why? It's funny, because does wonderfully on one tsp. of the Spectrum II Minerals, but when I tried to increase it (for his weight he could be at 1-1/2 tsp. now) he just didn't do well. Pfeiffer thought it might be the MSM, but obviously what's in that one tsp. is working for him. > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > melmeighen@y... writes: > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a > miniscule dose. > > Nell > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Oh hi Terri, I just responded to Nell. That's interesting you note the MSM in the other case. As I said in my post, that's what Pfeiffer suggested as well. For safety's sake I'm going to review the ingredients in the Ultra Sensitive Minerals, but I hate to change what seems to be working since does so well on the one tsp. of minerals. He's doing great on the vitamin portion, and we're just now starting to slowly increase that dose. Thanks for your feedback. > >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >melmeighen@y... writes: > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a > >miniscule dose. > > > >Nell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild liquizinc by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, and the flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So I think I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. My child is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say some prayers for us. Re: Re: Zinc > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > melmeighen@... writes: > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a > miniscule dose. > > Nell > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 What does MSM stand for again? Re: Re: Zinc > Wow, this is pretty interesting to me. If all of you are describing > reactions to the same product, Spectrum Support Minerals, I'm kind of > surprised. Usually this is the one of our products that the large majority > kids tolerate really well. I can only think of one other customer I've > talked to whose child had this strong a reaction to the minerals. You all > might want to give the Ultra-Sensitive minerals a try, by the way, because > for this person I'm thinking about, turns out it was the MSM in the regular > minerals causing the reaction, and now the child is doing great on Ultra > Sensitive Minerals and one of our other vitamin formulas. > > Terri at Brainchild > > > At 11:03 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: > >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > >melmeighen@... writes: > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a > >miniscule dose. > > > >Nell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Methyl sulfonyl methane On Wednesday, June 23, 2004, at 02:45 PM, Mattson wrote: > What does MSM stand for again? > Re: Re: Zinc > > > > Wow, this is pretty interesting to me. If all of you are describing > > reactions to the same product, Spectrum Support Minerals, I'm kind of > > surprised. Usually this is the one of our products that the large > majority > > kids tolerate really well. I can only think of one other customer > I've > > talked to whose child had this strong a reaction to the minerals. > You all > > might want to give the Ultra-Sensitive minerals a try, by the way, > because > > for this person I'm thinking about, turns out it was the MSM in the > regular > > minerals causing the reaction, and now the child is doing great on > Ultra > > Sensitive Minerals and one of our other vitamin formulas. > > > > Terri at Brainchild > > > > > > At 11:03 AM 6/23/2004 -0400, you wrote: > > >In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > >melmeighen@... writes: > > > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > > > >n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with > a > > >miniscule dose. > > > > > >Nell > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 Good luck . I hope he does well. > Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild liquizinc > by UPS today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 , Start at a low dose, with food. Once you know he's tolerating it well, you can increase dose and/or try on an empty stomach for optimum absorption. Zinc on empty stomach nauseates some kids. You probably know all of this, but I saw your post, so thought I'd mention it. Terri at Brainchild fingers crossed for you At 02:44 PM 6/23/2004 -0700, you wrote: >Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild liquizinc >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, and the >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So I think >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. My child >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say some >prayers for us. > Re: Re: Zinc > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > melmeighen@... writes: > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a > > miniscule dose. > > > > Nell > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 terri imo zinc needs supplementing with copper preferably copper sebacate at some point, there is a good scource naturals copper sebacate and it would make sesn for brainchild to advise customers that copper supplementation may be needed with long or even short term use with its zinc formulas. i think it makes sense to keep copper out of the formulas as brianchild has done but it needs adding in at some point and copper sebacate seems to work well. copper oxide is not acceptable as it very reactive. > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild liquizinc > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, and the > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So I think > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. My child > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say some > >prayers for us. > > Re: Re: Zinc > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > melmeighen@y... writes: > > > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started with a > > > miniscule dose. > > > > > > Nell > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 , I think you'd find many in the autism biomedical community who would disagree with you about needing to supplement copper in these kids, or say that it was a very rare exception, because so many of them are high in copper to start with and have such problems with metal metabolism. How do you propose figuring out when a child with autism would need copper supplementation? Terri At 02:54 AM 6/24/2004 +0000, you wrote: >terri imo zinc needs supplementing with copper preferably copper >sebacate at some point, > >there is a good scource naturals copper sebacate and it would make >sesn for brainchild to advise customers that copper supplementation >may be needed with long or even short term use with its zinc formulas. > >i think it makes sense to keep copper out of the formulas as >brianchild has done but it needs adding in at some point and copper >sebacate seems to work well. copper oxide is not acceptable as it >very reactive. > > > > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild >liquizinc > > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, >and the > > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So >I think > > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. >My child > > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say >some > > >prayers for us. > > > Re: Re: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > melmeighen@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > > > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started >with a > > > > miniscule dose. > > > > > > > > Nell > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2004 Report Share Posted June 23, 2004 i don't care a fig for the autism biomedical community > > > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the Brainchild > >liquizinc > > > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out fast, > >and the > > > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription correct. So > >I think > > > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow morning. > >My child > > > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. Say > >some > > > >prayers for us. > > > > Re: Re: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard Time, > > > > > melmeighen@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > > > > > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I started > >with a > > > > > miniscule dose. > > > > > > > > > > Nell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2004 Report Share Posted June 24, 2004 , Yeah, fine, we think for ourselves, too, I don't care about your figs. What I was actually saying to you is that my test data on my own son and I believe on many others, is that, despite 8 years of taking tons of zinc and no copper, he still shows high in copper and kind of low in zinc. So tell me, how would I determine whether this kid or any other kid with autism needs copper supplementation? Terri At 03:49 AM 6/24/2004 +0000, you wrote: >i don't care a fig for the autism biomedical community > > > > > > > > >Well this should be interesting. We just received the >Brainchild > > >liquizinc > > > > >by UPS today. They did an excellent job of shipping it out >fast, > > >and the > > > > >flagyl is presenting a problem in getting prescription >correct. So > > >I think > > > > >I'll trial the zinc first. I'll give first dose tomorrow >morning. > > >My child > > > > >is VERY sensitive to certain things, and zinc is one of them. >Say > > >some > > > > >prayers for us. > > > > > Re: Re: Zinc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 6/23/2004 9:47:23 AM Eastern Standard >Time, > > > > > > melmeighen@y... writes: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, he basically went psycho. > > > > > > > > > > > > n reacted to Brainchild the same way, even when I >started > > >with a > > > > > > miniscule dose. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nell > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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