Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 Noah, I am scared to death to say the wrong thing to my son, I never mention that I am sick , or someone is sick, or throwing up wihich are all fears of his. I am afraid that if he reads something that someone else does, that he might start to do it, so I know how you feel. My husband and I have to catch ourselves all the time when we talk, if he heres us say sick, he'll say what did you say and we will say something totally diffirent. Sometimes we feel like we are walking on pins and needles. My son is also 12yo Pat ---------- > From: noah@... > egroups > Subject: The Wave > Date: Monday, July 03, 2000 10:47 PM > > All- My 12 year old son has had noticeable OCD for 5 years. > > Since my wife and I are presently separated, I hadn't been around him > and a TV set for a month or so until this weekend. And lo and behold > he was using the remote controller with his hands! He had stopped > this behavior a year ago when he became aware that there was a > battery in the controller and batteries were correlated to acid. > > Anyhow, I got to thinking about how his OCD moves him from one set of > fixations to the next. Of course we have the old-standby's like hand- > washing and shoes-must-be-lined-up-in-the-closet. > > My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- on the part of a > parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about someone who is > stuck in the shower or scared of something that my son isn't afraid > of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop myself, I don't want > to add fuel to the fire. > > Does anyone else have children who's fears move and do we add to them? > > -Noah > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and find your ancestors now. > Search over 550 million names and trace your family tree today. Click here: > 1/6254/7/_/531051/_/962678873/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2000 Report Share Posted July 3, 2000 Hi Noah, Over the years as I have read posts to the OCD-L I have read this question asked numerous times. If my memory serves me correctly, I believe the general consensus is that people with OCD do not adopt symptoms that they hear or read about. I believe that this is possible and have seen posts that specifically stated that this had happened, but it is fair to state that most of the people posting stated that they did not adopt symptoms that they heard or read about in others. Many OCD'ers have written about how funny or absurd they found the symptoms of other OCD'ers to be, while admitting that they had their own set of symptoms that would most probably seem funny or absurd to others. I think that it is best not to worry about what we say to our children because I believe that concern just builds walls that make open communication difficult. Take care. Louis harkins@... The Wave All- My 12 year old son has had noticeable OCD for 5 years. Since my wife and I are presently separated, I hadn't been around him and a TV set for a month or so until this weekend. And lo and behold he was using the remote controller with his hands! He had stopped this behavior a year ago when he became aware that there was a battery in the controller and batteries were correlated to acid.Anyhow, I got to thinking about how his OCD moves him from one set of fixations to the next. Of course we have the old-standby's like hand-washing and shoes-must-be-lined-up-in-the-closet.My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- on the part of a parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about someone who is stuck in the shower or scared of something that my son isn't afraid of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop myself, I don't want to add fuel to the fire.Does anyone else have children who's fears move and do we add to them?-Noah You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Hi Noah, I think I hold a minority view on this issue, because I have noticed that my daughter often " borrows " others' worries and compulsions, both from OCDers (read about in a book, for ex.) and " regular " people. Others I very much respect believe that OCDers don't " catch " obsessions and compulsions and that these are highly specific to the individual. Even so I don't do much to edit my conversation or otherwise avoid OCD hot topics. I admit to cringing inside when someone decides to discuss the details of their recent surgery, break-in, or something similar in front of my daughter :-) I've also noticed that by modeling a scary behavior (jumping into a " shark infested " lake) or remaining unruffled in an OCDish situation (the dog eats off my plate), this sometimes helps to diminish my child's obsession or compulsion. This may be related her age, perhaps at six years old Mom still can have almost as much influence as OCD in some situations. Often, the compulsions or obsessions my daughter " catches " from others seem to fizzle out more quickly than ones her own OCD comes up with--but not always. She has some obsessions that have been with her from onset, and some fairly long-running compulsions, but many others that come and go, sometimes in a matter of days. FWIW, Kathy R. in Indiana The Wave > All- My 12 year old son has had noticeable OCD for 5 years. > > Since my wife and I are presently separated, I hadn't been around him > and a TV set for a month or so until this weekend. And lo and behold > he was using the remote controller with his hands! He had stopped > this behavior a year ago when he became aware that there was a > battery in the controller and batteries were correlated to acid. > > Anyhow, I got to thinking about how his OCD moves him from one set of > fixations to the next. Of course we have the old-standby's like hand- > washing and shoes-must-be-lined-up-in-the-closet. > > My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- on the part of a > parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about someone who is > stuck in the shower or scared of something that my son isn't afraid > of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop myself, I don't want > to add fuel to the fire. > > Does anyone else have children who's fears move and do we add to them? > > -Noah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Noah, Pat, You raise 2 questions here. First of all, by not exposing your son to things that cause him anxiety, as this happens in a normal day (not in extreme situations) you are allowing his ocd to control you. It is perfectly normal to sneeze and then wash your hands - in fact, its curtesy if you've missed the Kleenex!! Two of my three kids with ocd have contamination concerns. My third child does not have contamination issues. The older kids call her to kill spiders on the wall, move the worms off the walk, clean the dogs eyes.... she isnt the least bit worried about it! All my kids hoard objects. Fortunatly, each one hoards a different thing (candles, labels, pens/pencils), but then so does their father = so I'm not sure about this one being example!! jk - if they didnt want to, they wouldnt. I talk about anything I want to - including subjects that may or may not make someones anxiety level change. I will not change my way of talking to accomodate OCD. Ocd lives in my household, not the other way around. It does mean that I have to be prepared for meltdowns, but that is when we use humour and work together to fight the obsession or compulsion.... Yes, the symptoms do shift. Sometimes they are counting, or checking... other times contamination of specific objects... but so far, most are under control. Only one has extreme OCD, but that's a separate issue. I hope this helps.... wendy in canada wb4@... ============================= > > My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- on the part of a > > parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about someone who is > > stuck in the shower or scared of something that my son isn't afraid > > of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop myself, I don't want > > to add fuel to the fire. > > > > Does anyone else have children who's fears move and do we add to them? > > > > -Noah ________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Hi!I can really relate to your situation with your son. My 10yr old daughter has the same problems.She has some fears like going to hell that are her main obsessions and then there are others that come and go and change to something different. Just as we figure out how to deal with one its time for another one to surface. My daughter is pretty much symptom free (for the most part) right now. She is taking Luvox and Wellbutrin and doing very well. Is your son on meds or in couns. (CBT)? I wish you the best and will keep you and your son in my prayers. Happy 4th of July. Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 I almost forgot to mention that I go through the same fears about not wanting to mention anyone elses symptoms because I dont want to add fuel to the fire. But I did have her watch a talk show with me about ocd and tics she handled it well and did not seem to have any new o's or c's from it. I think that it helped her to seethat she is not the only one with this. My daughter desperatley wants to have a friend with OCD. She has lots of friends and she is very well liked but she still feels different becaudse she does not personally know anyone with her problems. I hope this helps a little, take care. Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Hi Noah: How wonderful that your son is able to use the remote controller with his hands. OCD is a very protean disorder and it can trick us into participating in a lot of avoidance by making us worry that we will trigger their OCD by something said, heard or seen. As your son learns to do CBT to boss back his OCD you will see him have his OCD purposefully triggered. Strangely enough the very thing you are worrying about, encouraging his OCD to morph to new symptoms, is what starts to happen often when our kids start getting some of their OCD symptoms under control. As your son starts to recover you will learn to encourage him to face any potential trigger and " spit in the eye " of OCD. Our Steve still has his " old-standby's " like hippies, drugs, the beach, the ocean, but it is his job to trigger himself and keep bossing back so he can control his OCD. When we live in constant fear that what we do or say or see will trigger an OCD meltdown we are letting OCD boss us around. It is impossible to predict 100% what will or won't trigger OCD and you can drive yourself crazy worrying about it. I know this because I did this. It is more helpful to develop a plan to encourage your son to face his fears when his OCD is triggered. As he learns to do this successfully he will learn to address any new symptoms early on when they are easiest to boss back. Pretty soon they even learn to incorporate this into getting what they want. When the movie " The Blair Witch Project " came out, Steve, who has lots of violent obsessions, told me he wanted a copy for E & RP. When he was very sick with OCD there is no way he could even have looked at the cover on the DVD. He has watched it a couple of times. I actually think it is helpful for OCDers to hear about the symptoms of others that they don't have. They usually think the symptoms of others are pretty strange and unnecessary and this gives them more insight into the excessiveness of their OCD symptoms. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 02:47 AM 07/04/2000 -0000, you wrote: >All- My 12 year old son has had noticeable OCD for 5 years. > >Since my wife and I are presently separated, I hadn't been around him >and a TV set for a month or so until this weekend. And lo and behold >he was using the remote controller with his hands! He had stopped >this behavior a year ago when he became aware that there was a >battery in the controller and batteries were correlated to acid. > >Anyhow, I got to thinking about how his OCD moves him from one set of >fixations to the next. Of course we have the old-standby's like hand- >washing and shoes-must-be-lined-up-in-the-closet. > >My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- on the part of a >parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about someone who is >stuck in the shower or scared of something that my son isn't afraid >of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop myself, I don't want >to add fuel to the fire. > >Does anyone else have children who's fears move and do we add to them? > >-Noah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 4, 2000 Report Share Posted July 4, 2000 Nikki - My son sounds a lot like your daughter. His main obsessions revolve around scrupulosity. He is very bothered by thoughts of the devil and going to hell. Have you had your daughter in CBT as yet? Has it been successful? I have found the E & RP quite difficult because his own bad behavior or that of others is what triggers his obsessions ( He is obsessively good). It is hard to plan homework assignments because of this. Any suggestions? Eliza in Wi Re: The Wave > Hi!I can really relate to your situation with your son. My 10yr old daughter > has the same problems.She has some fears like going to hell that are her main > obsessions and then there are others that come and go and change to something > different. Just as we figure out how to deal with one its time for another > one to surface. My daughter is pretty much symptom free (for the most part) > right now. She is taking Luvox and Wellbutrin and doing very well. Is your > son on meds or in couns. (CBT)? I wish you the best and will keep you and > your son in my prayers. Happy 4th of July. Nikki > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and find your ancestors now. > Search over 550 million names and trace your family tree today. Click here: > 1/6254/7/_/531051/_/962721853/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 Noah, What I've seen happen with Eleena (17) is not exactly as you've described, but I can certainly sympathize. If we discuss something in her presence that is related to one of her obsessions, then she will almost definitely pick up on it, even if she didn't have an obsession specifically related to what we were discussing, just somewhat of a relationship. For example, we can't discuss chronic illnesses around her because she'll be convinced that she's going to develop the the new illness that she hears about, even if she never had any reason to believe this. On the other hand, if she doesn't have any obsessions about a subject, she won't suddenly develop them just by hearing about them. What she might do is actually open up about an obsession when I discuss something that I've read or heard about another person with OCD doing or thinking. This is not the same as developing a new obsession. This is just getting over the embarassment of having this obsession because suddenly she's not the only one and she doesn't feel that I'll look at her like she's crazy when she admits to an obsession (I never have, but this is a concern of hers). I don't have to worry about mentioning that some other kids have OC's related to what they eat, because she's never had a problem in this general area. Trudy in KC, MO _______________________________________________________ > From: noah@... > > All- My 12 year old son has had noticeable OCD for 5 > years. > > Since my wife and I are presently separated, I > hadn't been around him > and a TV set for a month or so until this weekend. > And lo and behold > he was using the remote controller with his hands! > He had stopped > this behavior a year ago when he became aware that > there was a > battery in the controller and batteries were > correlated to acid. > > Anyhow, I got to thinking about how his OCD moves > him from one set of > fixations to the next. Of course we have the > old-standby's like hand- > washing and shoes-must-be-lined-up-in-the-closet. > > My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- > on the part of a > parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about > someone who is > stuck in the shower or scared of something that my > son isn't afraid > of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop > myself, I don't want > to add fuel to the fire. > > Does anyone else have children who's fears move and > do we add to them? > > -Noah __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 One other note. brought up a great point that avoiding topics is not necessarily helping our kids to deal with their OCs. Since Eleena is still fairly early on in her therapy, there are still several topics that we try to avoid, but we're doing that less and less when it comes to topics that she's dealing with through therapy. We no longer avoid watching the news when she's around. Actually, she will sit with us and watch it, then we'll discuss anything that she feels is triggering an OC attack. I think that when she's working on exposure for an OC, such as not going out with friends for fear of attack by some lunatic out there, this is extremely helpful. When it comes to things that she's not ready to deal with yet, too high on her hierarchy, we still avoid the topic. I'm not sure if this is the best thing to do, but so far it seems to be working for us. FYI, she goes out with friends all the time now. She's still afraid and has added rituals before going out, but at least she's going out. One step at a time. Trudy in KC, MO _______________________________________________________ <clanmcculloch@...> wrote: > Noah, > > What I've seen happen with Eleena (17) is not > exactly > as you've described, but I can certainly sympathize. > > If we discuss something in her presence that is > related to one of her obsessions, then she will > almost > definitely pick up on it, even if she didn't have an > obsession specifically related to what we were > discussing, just somewhat of a relationship. For > example, we can't discuss chronic illnesses around > her > because she'll be convinced that she's going to > develop the the new illness that she hears about, > even > if she never had any reason to believe this. On the > other hand, if she doesn't have any obsessions about > a > subject, she won't suddenly develop them just by > hearing about them. What she might do is actually > open up about an obsession when I discuss something > that I've read or heard about another person with > OCD > doing or thinking. This is not the same as > developing > a new obsession. This is just getting over the > embarassment of having this obsession because > suddenly > she's not the only one and she doesn't feel that > I'll > look at her like she's crazy when she admits to an > obsession (I never have, but this is a concern of > hers). I don't have to worry about mentioning that > some other kids have OC's related to what they eat, > because she's never had a problem in this general > area. > > Trudy in KC, MO _______________________________________________________ > > From: noah@... > > > > All- My 12 year old son has had noticeable OCD for > > 5 > > years. > > > > Since my wife and I are presently separated, I > > hadn't been around him > > and a TV set for a month or so until this weekend. > > And lo and behold > > he was using the remote controller with his hands! > > He had stopped > > this behavior a year ago when he became aware that > > there was a > > battery in the controller and batteries were > > correlated to acid. > > > > Anyhow, I got to thinking about how his OCD moves > > him from one set of > > fixations to the next. Of course we have the > > old-standby's like hand- > > washing and shoes-must-be-lined-up-in-the-closet. > > > > My question is regarding the power of suggestion -- > > on the part of a > > parent to a child with OCD. Sometimes I read about > > someone who is > > stuck in the shower or scared of something that my > > son isn't afraid > > of and I almost mention it --- and then I stop > > myself, I don't want > > to add fuel to the fire. > > > > Does anyone else have children who's fears move and > > do we add to them? > > > > -Noah __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2000 Report Share Posted July 5, 2000 Everyone thanks for your thoughts and stories. It is important for us (humans with and without OCD) to face our fears from time to time -- one at a time. Sometimes, though when Simon (my 12yr old son) asks me if I just cleaned out the bathroom with Ajax -- and I recall that when he saw me clean the bathroom with Ajax last time he would not go in there for 6 weeks --- I am forced to lie and say " no " (and make sure the room gets aired out quickly). Another time we were watching a movie and there was a reference to leprosy and Simon quickly says " There's no way I can get that and the leper colonies are gone " --- I start to answer honestly (I used to study leprosy and I usually field biology/disease questions) and I get the look from my wife --- And she's right we don't want to spend 2-3 hours discussing leprosy until the wee hours. I quess I feel we have to pick the issues to face. --Noah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2000 Report Share Posted July 6, 2000 HI Noah: You are right you have to pick the issues you are going to deal with. To get recovery from OCD, the issues need to be ordered in a hierarchy from the easiest to manage to the toughest and eventually the toughest need to be confronted too. Usually therapy starts with intermediate symptoms and after a while generalization occurs so that all symptoms may not need to be addressed. Not addressing the toughest ones only encourages avoidance and once you give OCD an inch it takes a mile and then a million miles and so on. Sometimes the symptoms to be addressed are the ones which cause the most disruption to all concerned. re: Ajax, we have learned not to hide the truth as you can be caught out and this interferes with the trust that it is so important to maintain with our beloved OCDers. We have also taken the opportunity not to use harsh cleaners and now use borax or baking soda or live with things a little less clean. Also a bit of paradoxical therapy works wonders, we would just grab onto our throats and overact as if we are dying on the spot from fumes and beg Steve to start making funeral arrangements so we can have a say in them before dying. Sounds macabre but it works. Of course I have a rep at home for having the least funny jokes, but I think it is well earned <VBG>. IN the context you describe, discussing leprosy for hours would be providing reassurance and participating in Simon's compulsion so it is excellent you didn't do this. I would probably just tell Steve in a similar situation, that is OCD that you are reassuring yourself and let him deal with it. We have started to say " Hello OCD " quite a bit with a loving smile. He tells me " Hello OC " when he thinks I have to lighten up. It works pretty well and we have fun with it. Another parent on this list recommended the " Hello OCD " approach and I am sorry but I don't remember who. Thanks because it has worked well for us. Take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 04:22 AM 07/06/2000 +0000, you wrote: > >Everyone thanks for your thoughts and stories. > >It is important for us (humans with and without OCD) to face our >fears from time to time -- one at a time. > >Sometimes, though when Simon (my 12yr old son) asks me if I just >cleaned out the bathroom with Ajax -- and I recall that when he saw >me clean the bathroom with Ajax last time he would not go in there >for 6 weeks --- I am forced to lie and say " no " (and make sure the >room gets aired out quickly). > >Another time we were watching a movie and there was a reference to >leprosy and Simon quickly says " There's no way I can get that and >the >leper colonies are gone " --- I start to answer honestly (I used to >study leprosy and I usually field biology/disease questions) and I >get the look from my wife --- And she's right we don't want to spend >2-3 hours discussing leprosy until the wee hours. > >I quess I feel we have to pick the issues to face. > >--Noah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 7, 2000 Report Share Posted July 7, 2000 Hi Eliza! Im sorry it took me so long to reply, we have been on vacation. My daughter is in " CBT " , I dont think her counselor is aggressive enough with E & RP I have read Dr. March's book and practice a bit at home with certain things like she was very scared of using her middle finger as she thought that she would go to hell. We talked alot about this and started using it for lots of things and she did this willingly with very little anxiety she said. This helped alot. The hardest thing that I have found about this particular obsession is that I cant prove to her that her fear isnt going to happen because she doesnt fear shes going to hell now, its when she dies. So if anyone reading this has any suggestions please let me know. My daughter is doing really well right now because she is on Luvox and Wellbutrin. She is almost symptom free.Feel free to write back if you like. Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 8, 2000 Report Share Posted July 8, 2000 Hi Nikki: To recover your daughter has to learn to live with uncertainty. She cannot know and be 100% sure whether she is going to go to hell or to heaven when she dies. This is hard thing for our beloved OCDers to do but trying to assure her she will go to heaven when she dies will only make her sicker. I would try some paradoxical stuff with Steve in a similar situation and joke that it is a good thing he is going to hell so that he will be there with me and anyway after living in Hawaii we have learned to take the heat. I apologize if what I have written is offensive to others, but you can see there is almost nowhere I won't go to boss OCD. It is great to hear how well your daughter is and great job with the middle finger exposure. She is very lucky to have you supporting her so well in learning to boss back. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H) kathyh@... At 10:28 PM 07/07/2000 EDT, you wrote: >Hi Eliza! Im sorry it took me so long to reply, we have been on vacation. My >daughter is in " CBT " , I dont think her counselor is aggressive enough with >E & RP I have read Dr. March's book and practice a bit at home with certain >things like she was very scared of using her middle finger as she thought >that she would go to hell. We talked alot about this and started using it for >lots of things and she did this willingly with very little anxiety she said. >This helped alot. The hardest thing that I have found about this particular >obsession is that I cant prove to her that her fear isnt going to happen >because she doesnt fear shes going to hell now, its when she dies. So if >anyone reading this has any suggestions please let me know. My daughter is >doing really well right now because she is on Luvox and Wellbutrin. She is >almost symptom free.Feel free to write back if you like. Nikki > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 9, 2000 Report Share Posted July 9, 2000 I can assure you that my daughter knows she IS going straight to Heaven when she dies. And that doesn't make her any sicker but brings her peace......and me too..... Re: The Wave >Hi Nikki: > >To recover your daughter has to learn to live with uncertainty. She cannot >know and be 100% sure whether she is going to go to hell or to heaven when >she dies. This is hard thing for our beloved OCDers to do but trying to >assure her she will go to heaven when she dies will only make her sicker. > >I would try some paradoxical stuff with Steve in a similar situation and >joke that it is a good thing he is going to hell so that he will be there >with me and anyway after living in Hawaii we have learned to take the heat. > I apologize if what I have written is offensive to others, but you can see >there is almost nowhere I won't go to boss OCD. > >It is great to hear how well your daughter is and great job with the middle >finger exposure. She is very lucky to have you supporting her so well in >learning to boss back. Good luck, take care, aloha, Kathy (H) >kathyh@... > >At 10:28 PM 07/07/2000 EDT, you wrote: >>Hi Eliza! Im sorry it took me so long to reply, we have been on vacation. My >>daughter is in " CBT " , I dont think her counselor is aggressive enough with >>E & RP I have read Dr. March's book and practice a bit at home with certain >>things like she was very scared of using her middle finger as she thought >>that she would go to hell. We talked alot about this and started using it >for >>lots of things and she did this willingly with very little anxiety she said. >>This helped alot. The hardest thing that I have found about this particular >>obsession is that I cant prove to her that her fear isnt going to happen >>because she doesnt fear shes going to hell now, its when she dies. So if >>anyone reading this has any suggestions please let me know. My daughter is >>doing really well right now because she is on Luvox and Wellbutrin. She is >>almost symptom free.Feel free to write back if you like. Nikki >> > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Visit Ancestry.com for a FREE 14-Day Trial and find your ancestors now. >Search over 550 million names and trace your family tree today. Click here: >1/6254/7/_/531051/_/963096977/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >You may subscribe to the OCD-L by emailing listserv@... . In the body of your message write: subscribe OCD-L your name. The Archives, Files, and Features List for the may be accessed by going to , enter your email address and password, then point and click. Subscription issues, problems, or suggestions may be addressed to Louis Harkins, list owner, at harkins@... . > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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