Guest guest Posted February 5, 2006 Report Share Posted February 5, 2006 Thanks Cathe. No, I'm not on anti-inflammatories. I got my test results yesterday and it says all me levels are normal, which makes not sense to me because I am watching my joints grow daily. From what I've read on plaquenil, most of the vision problems are reversible, so that's good news. > > > Hi all. I saw my rheumy today for a check up. I've > > been on plaquenil > > for 10 weeks now and she took me off it. I'm having > > alot of symptoms > > that seem to be side effects and in the last 2 weeks > > the swelling and > > joint pain have resumed. She has ordered another > > eye exam because my > > vision has gotten really bad and an MRI and said we > > would decide what > > to do next when they are complete. What do I do > > now? I sure was > > hoping the plaquenil would take care of it since my > > inflammation is not > > extreme. > > Thanks for listening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Kathe > > " To ride a horse is to borrow freedom. " > > > > __________________________________________________ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 HI Pat I wouldn't even wait for the test - the symptoms you are showing definitely appear to be adrenal related and you could start to boost them now. You should not have to suffer and to be honest, the test at the hospital is just to test to see whether you have 's disease and does not tell you where your cortisol and DHEA are at the specific times of day when you need to know these. There are sET levels for these two hormones in your body first thing in the morning before breakfast, mid-day, late afternoon and again at midnight. The hospital will probably do the one test at around 9.00a.m. and that is that. The best test the hospital could do is the 24 hour urine test - would they do this for you. You have to get a big container from the pathlab and collect all your urine over 24 hours and then take it in for testing. Have they told you how long you will have to wait to be tested? You can buy Nutri Adrenal Extra to help meanwhile from www.yournutritionalshop.co.uk and take one with your breakfast for a couple of days, and then add another tablet with your lunch. After a couple of weeks you can add another one with your breakfast dose, and if this is still not quite getting you there, after 4 weeks you can add another tablet. You can also 'stress dose' which basically means that if you know you are going to have a day like you had on Thursday, you can take another tablet. You can take up to 6 daily without any problems. You may need something more potent, but if you do, you can then consider Isocort or Cortef, but don't worry about that right now. NAE will probably boost your adrenals sufficiently. Read the article written by Dr Peatfield in our Files called " The Adrenal Thyroid Connection " - that will help you understand . Luv - Sheila > > Seems like I'm a frequent contributor about my health woes at the=20 > moment.=20=20 > > > I exerted myself on Thursday night and over the weekend with=20 > voluntary work. Today I was a bit of a jittery mess and I couldn't=20 > think straight - felt happy that I was there, but felt REALLY DUMB=20 > when I fumbled when I met the 'identity' that I was helping out.=20=20 > Believe me, I am not fazed by 'fame' or 'identity'. I couldn't=20 > settle and felt a bit hyper. The rare meeting with this person was=20 > completely stuffed up. I was fortunate to meet with them, however I=20 > didn't even know it was happening until just before it did, and of=20 > course I was unprepared and in my opinion I totally blew the=20 > meeting. It usually takes me about 5hrs to prepare notes to talk to=20 > the doctor about my health, so can you imagine being plopped in=20 > front of a person and just doing it 'off the cuff'. Don't get me=20 > wrong, I'm not blaming anyone and I could have said no, but it was=20 > all so quick that I just went along with the flow. The person was=20 > kind and told me 'don't worry', which made me think that I must have=20 > appeared particularly worried!=20=20 > > Do you think this is because of stuffed adrenals? I've yet to have=20 > my blood tests done but I've got the path lab request ready and=20 > waiting to go. Does anyone have any idea about the BEST time to=20 > have a cortisol blood test (as far as when you are really tired?=20 > wired? etc). YES, I KNOW that cortisol blood tests are supposed to=20 > be a bit useless, but this is the 'first step' as far as the doc=20 > goes. The doc is also wanting to test for DHEA, etc. > > It seems that my anxiety levels rise at certain times and right now=20 > is one of those times. Is this a good time to get them tested or is=20 > it better for me to wait for my 'complete exhaustion' stage, which=20 > is likely to not be too far away. I dislike being anxious the=20 > most. At least during the exhaustion phase I'm just a bit 'wired'=20 > or just plain exhausted. Not meaning to sound like a pessimist, but=20 > this is what happens to me on a regular basis. > > I'm sort of annoyed that I'm getting a bit 'out of kilter' again,=20 > but it was worth doing the volunteer work. I felt useful for the=20 > first time in ages.=20=20 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 I didn't realise the tests were for 's Disease. Thanks for letting me know Sheila. I think regardless of the results of the blood test, I will do what you suggested and demand a 24 hr urine test. I will re-read the Adrenal Thyroid connection stuff on file. Trouble with this condition is that I read things and then within no time I've forgotten what I've read! At least I don't need to spend a fortune on novels. Give it a few months and it is like a new book to me. Well, not quite, but you know what I mean! ha ha. Got to laugh or else you cry! I've got another appointment with the doc in May (can't remember the date, but I can't remember much right at the moment unfortunately). I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it before but I lived near a toxic factory from birth until I was 17. The government talked about it in Parliament years ago and there was a protest by local people infront of the place after I had moved from the area. The place spewed out heavy metals such as cadmium, aluminium, etc and my doc thinks I might have been affected and may also be affecting my memory. I think this has contributed to my present health woes. Thanks for the advice re adrenal supplements. I appreciate it (: Love P PS (thanks so much for running this forum. I'm sure it takes up a lot of your time, but I really appreciate it and I know that others do too). > > HI Pat > > I wouldn't even wait for the test - the symptoms you are showing definitely > appear to be adrenal related and you could start to boost them now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 27, 2008 Report Share Posted April 27, 2008 Hi Pat Write to Becky at beckydutton@... and mention that you lived nextr to a toxic factory. She is very interested in toxic poisoning and has lots of information that might be able to help you as she is more knowledgeable about this than I am. See if she has anything she can suggest. luv - Sheila I'm not sure if I ever mentioned it before but I lived near a toxic factory from birth until I was 17. The government talked about it in Parliament years ago and there was a protest by local people infront of the place after I had moved from the area. The place spewed out heavy metals such as cadmium, aluminium, etc and my doc thinks I might have been affected and may also be affecting my memory. I think this has contributed to my present health woes.Thanks for the advice re adrenal supplements. I appreciate it (:Love P PS (thanks so much for running this forum. I'm sure it takes up a lot of your time, but I really appreciate it and I know that others do too). >> HI Pat> > I wouldn't even wait for the test - the symptoms you are showing definitely > appear to be adrenal related and you could start to boost them now. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.5/1399 - Release Date: 26/04/2008 14:17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 You can get a "holistic MD" to say that it's counter-indicated for the baby's health. There are always exceptions and exemptions. They're looking for the herd/mass consciousness to comply with their agenda. Most people/sheeple are going to go along with it and not question them. They know this, that's why they're going to try to get away with it and try to pull it off. There's always a certain percentage (us) who won't. Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 You can get a "holistic MD" to say that it's counter-indicated for the baby's health. There are always exceptions and exemptions. They're looking for the herd/mass consciousness to comply with their agenda. Most people/sheeple are going to go along with it and not question them. They know this, that's why they're going to try to get away with it and try to pull it off. There's always a certain percentage (us) who won't. Gene Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/KentuckyLittle Hearts Hold Big HopeReaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart DefectsElaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting _____________________________________________________________Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/KentuckyLittle Hearts Hold Big HopeReaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart DefectsElaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting _____________________________________________________________Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 In such a case, I would suggest standing up for what you believe.... and also..in the instance that it is entirely mandatory that you get the vaccines..then..combat the vaccines with a healthy immune system to begin with...like lots and lots of alkalizing foods and vitamin C..and to detox the metals inside the vaccines..because the body can't release the metals on its own.. Of course all of us here know that vaccines are pointless.. They don't do a thing but poison us.. Living on a raw vegan diet will prevent a lot of the damage from happening.. Why, you ask???......Cancer can only exist in an acidic environment.. If we eat too many acid forming foods, we will for sure end up having many cancers.. The way to combat that and to prevent it is....to eat LOADS of Leafy greens..aka foods that are alkaline forming.. The easiest way to do this is a green smoothie..with lots of fruits and veggies..(Organic of course).. I hope this helped a bit.. R > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hz BXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 In such a case, I would suggest standing up for what you believe.... and also..in the instance that it is entirely mandatory that you get the vaccines..then..combat the vaccines with a healthy immune system to begin with...like lots and lots of alkalizing foods and vitamin C..and to detox the metals inside the vaccines..because the body can't release the metals on its own.. Of course all of us here know that vaccines are pointless.. They don't do a thing but poison us.. Living on a raw vegan diet will prevent a lot of the damage from happening.. Why, you ask???......Cancer can only exist in an acidic environment.. If we eat too many acid forming foods, we will for sure end up having many cancers.. The way to combat that and to prevent it is....to eat LOADS of Leafy greens..aka foods that are alkaline forming.. The easiest way to do this is a green smoothie..with lots of fruits and veggies..(Organic of course).. I hope this helped a bit.. R > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hz BXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbK\ UiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbK\ UiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I agree with the raw part, but not the vegan part. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, healthseeker888 <luvemcats@...> wrote: Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I agree with the raw part, but not the vegan part. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, healthseeker888 <luvemcats@...> wrote: Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Could you provide sources regarding your disagreement. I don't particularly agree or disagree with either argument. I'm not informed enough to make a qualified decision, but I am interested in reading more about it. Thanks, ~MattOn Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Monika Reign B. <nature.mum@...> wrote: I agree with the raw part, but not the vegan part. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, healthseeker888 <luvemcats@...> wrote: Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Could you provide sources regarding your disagreement. I don't particularly agree or disagree with either argument. I'm not informed enough to make a qualified decision, but I am interested in reading more about it. Thanks, ~MattOn Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Monika Reign B. <nature.mum@...> wrote: I agree with the raw part, but not the vegan part. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, healthseeker888 <luvemcats@...> wrote: Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 See, for instance,http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/evalinda/gGglBDIs this REALLY what Obama feels about vaccinations? By Eva - Oct 24th, 2008 at 5:04 pm EDT=========== On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:46 AM, healthseeker888 wrote:Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention ofthat... Please give me references and links, OK?Thanks very much,Healthseeker>> So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into tothe White House who wants to enforce that all children are to bevaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Arewe going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide themsomewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce sucha thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 See, for instance,http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/evalinda/gGglBDIs this REALLY what Obama feels about vaccinations? By Eva - Oct 24th, 2008 at 5:04 pm EDT=========== On Nov 5, 2008, at 8:46 AM, healthseeker888 wrote:Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention ofthat... Please give me references and links, OK?Thanks very much,Healthseeker>> So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into tothe White House who wants to enforce that all children are to bevaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Arewe going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide themsomewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce sucha thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I couldn't get the link below to pull anything up. I received an email in another group, if not this one, regarding where each candidate stood on vaccinations and the info was enlightening. Thanks, See, for instance, http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/evalinda/gGglBD Is this REALLY what Obama feels about vaccinations? By Eva - Oct 24th, 2008 at 5:04 pm EDT =========== _____________________________________________________________Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 I couldn't get the link below to pull anything up. I received an email in another group, if not this one, regarding where each candidate stood on vaccinations and the info was enlightening. Thanks, See, for instance, http://my.barackobama.com/page/community/post/evalinda/gGglBD Is this REALLY what Obama feels about vaccinations? By Eva - Oct 24th, 2008 at 5:04 pm EDT =========== _____________________________________________________________Click for online loan, fast & no lender fee, approval today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Vegans are required to take supplements and b12 injections because we cannot get all of the nutrients we need when avoiding meat 100%. The only issue with meat is that our society over-consumes it. We are only supposed to be eating a single handful of meat per day, no more. The other thing is that we are not supposed to eat it with grains. It's basically because meat and grains require two different enzymes to digest, and these two enzymes, our digestive system cannot secrete them at the same time, so one of the two foods are sitting, rotting while the other is being broken down. Requiring supplements and injections to obtain the proper nutrition is obviously not natural and our bodies don't assimilate those nutrients properly in those forms.I really don't have time to figure out where I got this information, I just do a ton of reading and have acquired the knowledge. One book I remember is Can We Live 150 Years. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, OFTHEBORG <oftheborg@...> wrote: Could you provide sources regarding your disagreement. I don't particularly agree or disagree with either argument. I'm not informed enough to make a qualified decision, but I am interested in reading more about it. Thanks, ~MattOn Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Monika Reign B. <nature.mum@...> wrote: I agree with the raw part, but not the vegan part. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, healthseeker888 <luvemcats@...> wrote: Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Vegans are required to take supplements and b12 injections because we cannot get all of the nutrients we need when avoiding meat 100%. The only issue with meat is that our society over-consumes it. We are only supposed to be eating a single handful of meat per day, no more. The other thing is that we are not supposed to eat it with grains. It's basically because meat and grains require two different enzymes to digest, and these two enzymes, our digestive system cannot secrete them at the same time, so one of the two foods are sitting, rotting while the other is being broken down. Requiring supplements and injections to obtain the proper nutrition is obviously not natural and our bodies don't assimilate those nutrients properly in those forms.I really don't have time to figure out where I got this information, I just do a ton of reading and have acquired the knowledge. One book I remember is Can We Live 150 Years. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 3:00 PM, OFTHEBORG <oftheborg@...> wrote: Could you provide sources regarding your disagreement. I don't particularly agree or disagree with either argument. I'm not informed enough to make a qualified decision, but I am interested in reading more about it. Thanks, ~MattOn Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:21 PM, Monika Reign B. <nature.mum@...> wrote: I agree with the raw part, but not the vegan part. On Wed, Nov 5, 2008 at 1:46 PM, healthseeker888 <luvemcats@...> wrote: Where does that information come from? I've never seen any mention of that... Please give me references and links, OK? Thanks very much, Healthseeker > > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such a thing. > > > > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart Defects > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years and counting > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hzBXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Please read Alkalize or Die.. Good Book..explaining the acid/alkaline balance diet..and how important it is to alkalize your body to get rid of and avoid further damage to your body resulting in cancers... There are lots of other books on the subject as well.. R > >>> > > >>> > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to > >>> the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be > >>> vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are > >>> we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them > >>> somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such > >>> a thing. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > >>> > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > >>> > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart > >>> Defects > >>> > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years > >>> and counting > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > __________________________________________________________ > >>> > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hz BXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2008 Report Share Posted November 5, 2008 Please read Alkalize or Die.. Good Book..explaining the acid/alkaline balance diet..and how important it is to alkalize your body to get rid of and avoid further damage to your body resulting in cancers... There are lots of other books on the subject as well.. R > >>> > > >>> > So what do people like us do now that we have someone coming into to > >>> the White House who wants to enforce that all children are to be > >>> vaccinated and will not accept staggering them or exempting them? Are > >>> we going to be forced to do this to our kids? Do we hide them > >>> somewhere? I am worried to say the least that someone can enforce such > >>> a thing. > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > Mended Little Hearts of Southern Indiana/Kentucky > >>> > Little Hearts Hold Big Hope > >>> > Reaching out to families and caregivers affected by Congenital Heart > >>> Defects > >>> > Elaina Carolann , victory from tetralogy of fallot for 6 years > >>> and counting > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > __________________________________________________________ > >>> > Buy Hardwood Floors Direct - Click Here. > >>> > > >>> > >>> http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2111/fc/Ioyw6iifhDZdIaUHFLGXrJO1hz BXQkTGuGbKUiwOK1XO57tnTqKLiP/?count=1234567890 > >>> > > >>> > >>> > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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