I need help

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I agree; I know someone that is not medicating their child, and they are doing pretty well, really. If you do not have to, and they are pretty well behaved without the medication intervention, I support that, and agree totally.

For others, that would NOT be possible, as is the case for my 6 year old, especially, as he is very, very hyper, and has that part including the ADHD SEVERELY---some kids don't have ADHD with it, and / or ADD---without the hyper which is more reasonable---my son would have literally killed himself by now without meds, as he does some really dangerous things and cannot focus, think clearly, or make good choices without his ADHD meds---he STILL does RUN never walks, even with meds, but it was more like FAST FORWARD RUNNING before meds----they are NOT for everyone but necessary at times, too. Same child drools and gets sick in new situations or hides; he does not do that medicated for anxiety......my 14 year old vomits and we can't drive or function (he literally ruins and affects the entire family with his fears) when he is not medicated for ANXIETY-----

Professionals tell us that, when your child (or spouse or you, or whomever) is AFFECTING the family (we could not travel as the one child would not let us----made himself ill, etc.----literally ruined everything we did), it is TIME to consider medication, as that is NOT ACCEPTABLE!!! So, when THAT is the case, you are HELPING the child, too, but I 100 percent agree, you are NEVER medicating the ASPERGER'S but the symptoms that go with it---there is NO cure for ASPERGERS at this time but we can help them. Some meds help them, some don't; some need 'em, I am certain some do not.....

But, when they are affecting the whole family like in the extremes where our children were, it is time for medication aides and tools; our NT son (and us) are also allowed a 'normal' life (which is already not normal when we have asperger's children---but abuse free as possible---which, it is some times!!!!----)....and, if it is something I would if my children were all normal DO, and can't because of someone in the family unit (not due to a physical disability), then that is an issue / reason to consider medication....(taught to me by professionals but I have 'bought in to it' as we CAN go to grandma's now as a whole family)---does not mean the ride is amazing and wonderful, but we are no longer screaming, throwing up, and ruining the event in those ways-----)......

Ruthie

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My son did the law thing. He hates rules and laws when they interfere

with his obsessions or with him getting his way. He started this when

we were in TX and he was at a really lousy school that had stupid

rules. They fought too many battles. became aggressive, angry

and depressed and wanted nothing to do with rules or laws. He wanted

to make his own rules. " My rules not YOUR rules!! " He's better with

it now. Maturity and experiences with rules benefitting him has

helped. At home I am very careful to choose only really important

battles. If someone is hurt or likely to get hurt (physically or

emotionally), I have to do something. If property is being damaged, I

have to do something. If a behavior makes me feel like hitting someone

I have to do something before we get to that point. Otherwise I let a

lot of things go.

is pretty good at not going along with a crowd just to have

friends. My daughter who doesn't have a diagnosis but is anxious and

shy, tends to go along with bad ideas. I'm working with her on that

because she has a friend who is sweet but has very poor judgement. I

think we're going to have to stay away from her for a while because

Rayleigh is picking up bad social skill habits like hugging her

friends, even new ones, and saying " I love you " to them which is

getting her a lot of weird looks.

Miriam

>

> And another...friends. Have you experienced your child trying to

> create the world law? Or how about wanting a friend so desperately

> that they easily succumb to bad suggestions from kids who are bullies

> or just make fun of her?

>

> She's 6.5 yo and was Dx'd at 5.

>

> Is your child with AS a boy or girl?

>

> Thanks! :-)

>

[Guest guest]

> Hi. I have a 14yo son with AS. Rewards/punishments don't work for

> many AS kids. What worked for my son was a combination of

> encouragement/praising and wording things like " after you do A and B,

> you can do C. " Repeat later " you can only do C after A and B are

> done " . And stick to it consistently, so they know you mean what you

> say.

I've found this out. The LONG difficult way. My son was diagnosed just

this summer with Asperger's and he's 13. So we've been attempting to

figure him out all this time. We didn't have much help, therapists,

guidance counselors, friends and family really didn't think he was/is

a problem. I'm exhausted now.

Sorry, I didn't say that loudly enough -- I'M EXHAUSTED NOW

We just started with an Asperger therapist/specialist. She asked me

why I had let things get so bad. (Huh? LET them get bad? Thanks alot)

that we were enabling him and that he has no right to speak to us and

treat us the way he does. She even said the cops can come get him if

he's so bad. And he was there. That scared him pretty badly and he

improved DRAMATICALLY for a few days. Today, after coming back from a

little visit to grandparents, he's back to the same old " No. " to

everything I ask.

Am I on crack? I brought him home to homeschool him four years ago b/c

of a scary bully situation that had him suicidal. Now, he's tormenting

us, verbally abusive " What are we going to do NOW for fun?! " " What am

*I* GOING TO EAT!?! " and then when he and I get into it and he has

reached his limit of how nasty he is to me, he'll go after his brother.

Yet, when he's somewhere else, and he's having a good time, he's a

dreamy, wonderful, charming boy who is a delight to be around.

I'm sick of the nasty, angry, rude, fresh behavior I get here.

Any suggestions?

Tonya

[Guest guest]

Sounds tough! I can tell you rewards/punishments do work for my son, at home at least. If he starts getting rude with how he's talking to me or his little sister, I just have to warn him he'll lose game time on his Wii or the computer and he typically stops. If I have to take time away though, I'll go in increments. So, if he has 2 hours of time per day, I'll tell him if he doesn't stop talking to me like that, he'll lose an hour of his game time. That way if he loses it, he still has some time left so he doesn't give up completely. But my son doesn't like to see me sad so I'm lucky. If I tell him he's hurting my feelings when he talks to me like that and it makes me sad, that has a big effect on him and he'll usually stop. With his sister,

though, he's not quite as concerned with her feelings. She's like his verbal punching bag sometimes and that's when I have to step in and intervene.

On the flip side, I'll tell both of my kids if they (fill-in-the-blank) we'll play a game together or something. Like a Wii sports game or a computer game, or this beach ball game we play on the floor in our great room after we move some furniture around. That usually inspires them to do whatever they need to do to get that family time.

For background, my son is 12 (7th grade, Aspergers) and my daughter is 7 (1st grade, neurotypical and VERY CRAFTY!) They are both very bright kids. I'm a single mom and we live in Austin, TX.

If he's into video games/computer games, I'd start limiting or taking all of his time away when he's ugly to you. Might not change his behavior immediately, but if you're consistent and you don't give in, it might cause some improvements and it sounds like any improvements would be welcomed by you! Plus, he needs some sort of punishment when he acts like that. In the real world, people who break the rules get punished. It might take some of our aspergers kids longer to learn this, but they have to learn if there's any hope of them surviving out in the "real" world.

I hope things get better. Hang in there. You don't deserve to be treated rudely though. That is not something that is a "part" of Aspergers but how you deal with it can be tougher due to the austism spectrum diagnosis.

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> Hi. I have a 14yo son with AS. Rewards/punishments don't work for> many AS kids. What worked for my son was a combination of> encouragement/ praising and wording things like "after you do A and B,> you can do C." Repeat later "you can only do C after A and B are> done". And stick to it consistently, so they know you mean what you> say. I've found this out. The LONG difficult way. My son was diagnosed just this summer with Asperger's and he's 13. So we've been attempting to figure him out all this time. We didn't have much help, therapists, guidance counselors, friends and family really didn't think he was/is a problem. I'm exhausted now.Sorry, I didn't say that loudly enough -- I'M EXHAUSTED NOWWe just started with an Asperger therapist/specialis t. She asked me why I had let things get so bad. (Huh? LET them get bad? Thanks alot) that we were enabling him and

that he has no right to speak to us and treat us the way he does. She even said the cops can come get him if he's so bad. And he was there. That scared him pretty badly and he improved DRAMATICALLY for a few days. Today, after coming back from a little visit to grandparents, he's back to the same old "No." to everything I ask.Am I on crack? I brought him home to homeschool him four years ago b/c of a scary bully situation that had him suicidal. Now, he's tormenting us, verbally abusive "What are we going to do NOW for fun?!" "What am *I* GOING TO EAT!?!" and then when he and I get into it and he has reached his limit of how nasty he is to me, he'll go after his brother.Yet, when he's somewhere else, and he's having a good time, he's a dreamy, wonderful, charming boy who is a delight to be around.I'm sick of the nasty, angry, rude, fresh behavior I get here. Any

suggestions?Tonya

[Guest guest]

>

> Sorry, I didn't say that loudly enough -- I'M EXHAUSTED NOW

Tonya, I so sympathize with you! My son also says very ugly things.

What I try to do is get him off into isolation the minute he starts

being rude, or as soon as I can, so he can calm himself down in

private and without us having to listen. Trust me, this doesn't get

rid of all the behaviors, but it helps. It helps everyone else avoid

feeling abused and it will help your son learn to calm himself down

and deal with himself.

>

> We just started with an Asperger therapist/specialist. She asked me

> why I had let things get so bad. (Huh? LET them get bad? Thanks alot)

> that we were enabling him and that he has no right to speak to us and

> treat us the way he does. She even said the cops can come get him if

> he's so bad. And he was there. That scared him pretty badly and he

> improved DRAMATICALLY for a few days.

Tonya, having some outside support like this will probably really help

you. My son has had a mixture of speech, occupational therapy, social

skills training, and is just starting counseling, and it has all

really helped. It helps for them just to hear it from someone else.

The more places positive behavior gets reinforced, the more he'll

absorb the message. But don't expect it to be a one-time fix. You'll

have to keep working on this. It is a good sign that he reacted to

the threat of the cops coming. As long as she is getting through to

your son, I would advise not getting too excited over her ignorant

comments--although I wouldn't just let them go. It is important to

assert your reality to her for her to be helpful. But, as long as she

listens to you, I wouldn't let it get you too upset.

> Am I on crack? I brought him home to homeschool him four years ago b/c

> of a scary bully situation that had him suicidal. Now, he's tormenting

> us, verbally abusive " What are we going to do NOW for fun?! " " What am

> *I* GOING TO EAT!?! " and then when he and I get into it and he has

> reached his limit of how nasty he is to me, he'll go after his brother.

Make sure you talk to his counselor about this, so she can talk to him

about it. If you can keep track of the details of a specific

incident, that is especially helpful. All I can say to do is decide

on your boundaries and stick to them, not letting his lack of control

change your mind. If he is like my son, he doesn't realize how nasty

he is being. He just sees himself as being truthful about what he

sees as my unfairness. Does your son act like nothing happened a

little while later? If you talk about being extremely upset or him

being extremely upset, does he act like he doesn't really know what

you are talking about? I'll be still be sitting there with my nerves

jangling from an incident, and my son will come up and start talking

affectionately to me about something unrelated like nothing happened!

I have to tell him I need some time to myself.

This is a personal decision and depends on your situation, but you

might consider putting him back in public school. As imperfect as it

is, having all those people help you apply interventions can be more

effective than going it alone--although you have your therapist now.

It will get better!

[Guest guest]

I can NOT thank you enough for your kind words. It's so nice to talk

and vent and not have someone look at me like I have some kind of

monster living here and that I must be the stupidest parent in the

world.

It's true, when we had more 'postive' opportunities, he was much

better. Due to health ins crapola, he's been sparse lately but we

should be straightened out and on our way.

I do think his medication needs to be altered. Just today, I spent

most of my morning/afternoon waking him up out of bed, waking him up

out of the shower(believe it!), waking him up after he had lunch.. So

I'd say his depression is pretty poorly managed right now.

And he's always been better when I spend time with him. I always

forget that b/c you get caught in this downward abyss and that last

thing I want to do is spend more time with him. Yet, if it's positive,

I get 'paid' back twenty fold.. so thanks for that reminder.

I didn't mean to hijack this thread! Sorry! Thanks for all the help

though,

Tonya

> It helps everyone else avoid

> feeling abused and it will help your son learn to calm himself down

> and deal with himself.

> >

> The more places positive behavior gets reinforced, the more he'll

> absorb the message. But don't expect it to be a one-time fix.

You'll

> have to keep working on this. It is a good sign that he reacted to

> the threat of the cops coming. As long as she is getting through to

> your son, I would advise not getting too excited over her ignorant

> comments--although I wouldn't just let them go. It is important to

> assert your reality to her for her to be helpful. But, as long as

she

> listens to you, I wouldn't let it get you too upset.

>

!

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure I agree with the therapist - threatening him isn't the way to fix the problem. As you saw, it only works while he is afraid and not because he has learned better behaviors.

Are you getting into it with him because he is asking those kinds of questions - "What am *I* going to eat?" I think I would evaluate what needs to be argued over and ignore the rest. My typical response when they don't like what I have cooked is, "You can make yourself a sandwhich if you don't like this." And then I walk away. It's not my problem. If they keep whining, I might say, "I'm sorry you don't like this..." and just be supportive and sympathetic but hey, they know how to make a sandwhich to solve their problem. Certainly do NOT argue about this. It's not your problem!! It's his. Let him fix it on his own. By arguing with him, you make it your problem too and it's not yours. Go to the bathroom, fix a bath, and lock the door. Read a book. Relax. Let him find food on his own.

I would make some ground rules and write them down to post them in a common area of the house.

One item on the list would be to speak respectfully to each other. Then when it is calm, sit down and have a family meeting to go over the house rules. Find ways to reward good behavior. For times he is not behaving, find ways to consequence him. I'm not sure if you can enforce a time out but that is usually a good way of handling it (i.e. "go to your room for 15 minutes"). A good idea is to create positive rewards by making things he already likes to do a reward and not an automatic right. For instance, if he plays on the family computer, make him earn his time on it. Make it a reward for being good or add time on because he's been good. Make it easy to be successful at first and then you can start making more demands as he complies.

Another thing that might be worthwhile is to just walk away when he starts being verbally abusive. I would say, "I can't talk to you while you treat me this way" and leave the room. Also, consider putting him back in school, if that is an option. It sounds like you need a break!!!! Your sanity is important too. So find out what options you have for getting more time away from him to recharge yourself.

Whatever you decide to do - be consistent!! He will get worse before he gets better but do not let that stop you from holding firm on basic rules. Expect to be treated better and if he won't, then disengage from him and walk away. He will learn he has to use appropriate tone and words in order to get what he wants. He knows how since he uses it with other people. He knows if he talked to others that way, they would no longer work with him/play with him. And so he behaves. So it's more a matter of enforcing the rule that you expect to be treated better than this as well. You can be the same as other people would react to being called terrible things - if he wants to call you names, walk away and do not play this with him. Once he believes you are serious, he will come around.

RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else...

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> Hi. I have a 14yo son with AS. Rewards/punishments don't work for> many AS kids. What worked for my son was a combination of> encouragement/praising and wording things like "after you do A and B,> you can do C." Repeat later "you can only do C after A and B are> done". And stick to it consistently, so they know you mean what you> say. I've found this out. The LONG difficult way. My son was diagnosed just this summer with Asperger's and he's 13. So we've been attempting to figure him out all this time. We didn't have much help, therapists, guidance counselors, friends and family really didn't think he was/is a problem. I'm exhausted now.Sorry, I didn't say that loudly enough -- I'M EXHAUSTED NOWWe just started with an Asperger therapist/specialist. She asked me why I had let things get so bad. (Huh? LET them get bad? Thanks alot) that we were enabling him and that he has no right to speak to us and treat us the way he does. She even said the cops can come get him if he's so bad. And he was there. That scared him pretty badly and he improved DRAMATICALLY for a few days. Today, after coming back from a little visit to grandparents, he's back to the same old "No." to everything I ask.Am I on crack? I brought him home to homeschool him four years ago b/c of a scary bully situation that had him suicidal. Now, he's tormenting us, verbally abusive "What are we going to do NOW for fun?!" "What am *I* GOING TO EAT!?!" and then when he and I get into it and he has reached his limit of how nasty he is to me, he'll go after his brother.Yet, when he's somewhere else, and he's having a good time, he's a dreamy, wonderful, charming boy who is a delight to be around.I'm sick of the nasty, angry, rude, fresh behavior I get here. Any suggestions?Tonya

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Tonya, you can hijack a thread whenever you like! We are easy here.

Definitely find out what's up with the meds. It's not good if he is sleeping like that.

RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else...

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I can NOT thank you enough for your kind words. It's so nice to talk and vent and not have someone look at me like I have some kind of monster living here and that I must be the stupidest parent in the world.It's true, when we had more 'postive' opportunities, he was much better. Due to health ins crapola, he's been sparse lately but we should be straightened out and on our way. I do think his medication needs to be altered. Just today, I spent most of my morning/afternoon waking him up out of bed, waking him up out of the shower(believe it!), waking him up after he had lunch.. So I'd say his depression is pretty poorly managed right now.And he's always been better when I spend time with him. I always forget that b/c you get caught in this downward abyss and that last thing I want to do is spend more time with him. Yet, if it's positive, I get 'paid' back twenty fold.. so thanks for that reminder.I didn't mean to hijack this thread! Sorry! Thanks for all the help though,Tonya> It helps everyone else avoid> feeling abused and it will help your son learn to calm himself down> and deal with himself. > > > The more places positive behavior gets reinforced, the more he'll> absorb the message. But don't expect it to be a one-time fix. You'll> have to keep working on this. It is a good sign that he reacted to> the threat of the cops coming. As long as she is getting through to> your son, I would advise not getting too excited over her ignorant> comments--although I wouldn't just let them go. It is important to> assert your reality to her for her to be helpful. But, as long as she> listens to you, I wouldn't let it get you too upset.> !>

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I would make sure she can do the work first. Then I would have each section followed by something fun - something she likes to do. My ds, for example, will get breaks to play his favorite online game. It's not something we count up to. It's just, First we have to finish this, then we can do that. You might write a list so she can see what has to be done and can cross off as she goes. Sometimes that lessens anxiety. We have a list each day of school work and that helps. But also, you need to chunk things so it isn't long periods of stress.

As for getting back to work, you just have to set the timer and give her warnings and then help her move on. I would be firm but sympathetic. And use written schedules or picture schedules (or both together) because that can cut down a lot on problems with transitioning. Also, establish a schedule with her. That can help her settle down some as well.

RoxannaYou're UniqueJust like everyone else...

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If home schooling or even for homework time for those that are inschool, how do you get past the tired, not able to do it, it's notperfect thing? I've tried rewards, taking things away...nothing getsher to do what needs to be done. And leads into a meltdown regardlessof praise for when it is done. Then I wonder if it's because she hastracking issues too as well as auditory tracking issues that aremaking all this so very difficult. Another one...transitions. I have tried count downs to the transition,rewards, punishments, etc. It almost seems like I have to make herflow through it without saying a word about the fact that we're movingonto something else. For awhile it seems ok with the transitions andthen something changes and we're back to square one. Have any of youexperienced this?And another...friends. Have you experienced your child trying tocreate the world law? Or how about wanting a friend so desperatelythat they easily succumb to bad suggestions from kids who are bulliesor just make fun of her? She's 6.5 yo and was Dx'd at 5.Is your child with AS a boy or girl? Thanks! :-)

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I am so sorry your daughter has to be one that has CML. I know when I

was first diagnosed and even today after 3 years I sometimes don't know

what to ask. When first diagnosed I was given so much information from

the Doctor I couldn't take it all in. I always wanted to know what my

blood counts were and where they were in regard to normal. I always

asked for a copy of the counts so I could compare myself. Be sure to

ask questions about the medicines and side effects. I always write

down questions and take in a list with me. If I don't I tend to forget

to ask. Some of the tests are hard for me to understand, you have to

be forceful and tell the doctor to explain in terms you can understand.

It will get better as time goes by but right now I know it can be

overwhelming. Thank goodness for the target drugs that can keep the

CML under control. Best of luck to you and your daughter. Just know

that she can lead a fairly normal life. Some members have gone on to

have children.

Carolyn_Kuptz2000@...

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On Sprycel 20mg bid

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I say this over and over again yes your new but Endo's and Uro's are not good

Dr.'s for low testosterone. I feel it was criminal for this Dr. not to treat

you and I am betting if you looked into this you can a good case against this

Dr.

Tell us where you live and do go to Dr. 's site and Read TRT: a recipe for

success in this are labs you need and why don't go on Testosterone until you

know why your low. Supplements don't lower testosterone. Here are the AACE

Guildlines give this Dr. a link to them and tell her to read it.

http://www.aace.com/pub/pdf/guidelines/hypogonadism.pdf

This link is great read it and watch it.

http://www.thehiddendisease.com/

Your lucky your found us your in the right place.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: Arnoldo . Parada <joar64@...>

> Subject: I need help

>

> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 1:59 PM

> Hey, I am 45 years old and I did a

> Testosterone test and my levels is 211, I do have sex

> problem, but last Thursday I went to see a Endriconology and

> she told me that she think that if my testosterone is low,

> maybe because I am taking other medicine like suplement, thi

> is true but I feel that I need to take some testosterone,

> but I know that she is not give me any prescription, please

> let me know what I can do?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

> Parada

>

>

>      

>

>

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>

>

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Yes this problem with Dr.'s is so bad men are flying out to see Dr. no at

this link.

http://definitivepsychiatry.com/services/services.html

Or to Dr. at this link.

www.allthingsmale.com

Both are some of the best Dr.s for low T in the world one only needs to see them

once the rest is done by Email.

If you guys read the file in the files section " Finding a Male Hormone Dr. " you

will find ways to find a good one.

You need to call them before seeing them and ask questions like how many men

does the Dr. treat for low Testosterone and dose he test and treat for High

Estradiol levels and use Arimidex to keep it down. If you get a yes to them he

might be a good Dr. if you see this Dr. and find out he does not do this leave

and tell them your not paying for this because you lied over the phone. I did

this many times when we were using this list.

http://www.tuneupyourt.com/index.html

To find Dr.'s Tuneup your T had a list of Dr.'s that signed up to it saying they

treat low testosterone turns out most of the Dr.'s on the list we not up on

Testosterone guys were looking at there list going to see the Dr. only to find

out he was worse then the one they were seeing.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: I need help

>

> Date: Sunday, August 9, 2009, 10:09 PM

> GET A NEW DOCTOR.If your primary wont

> help, see a specialist. If he won't help do your own

> research. (I'm on my third Dr. and I have my forth lined if

> if necessary.).

>

>

>

> >

> > Hey, I am 45 years old and I did a Testosterone test

> and my levels is 211, I do have sex problem, but last

> Thursday I went to see a Endriconology and she told me that

> she think that if my testosterone is low, maybe because I am

> taking other medicine like suplement, thi is true but I feel

> that I need to take some testosterone, but I know that she

> is not give me any prescription, please let me know what I

> can do?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> >

> > Parada

> >

>

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

The link to 'find a doc' on menshealthnetwork.org is inactive. However in the

datatbase section (lefthad side) this website are known doctors that people in

this forum have used.

> > >

> > > Hey, I am 45 years old and I did a Testosterone test

> > and my levels is 211, I do have sex problem, but last

> > Thursday I went to see a Endriconology and she told me that

> > she think that if my testosterone is low, maybe because I am

> > taking other medicine like suplement, thi is true but I feel

> > that I need to take some testosterone, but I know that she

> > is not give me any prescription, please let me know what I

> > can do?

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > >

> > >

> > > Parada

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I am sorry I put this out there he said the other day his new Forum was taking

it's place

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: I need help

>

> Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:15 AM

>

> The link to 'find a doc' on menshealthnetwork.org is

> inactive. However in the datatbase section (lefthad side)

> this website are known doctors that people in this forum

> have used.

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > Hey, I am 45 years old and I did a

> Testosterone test

> > > and my levels is 211, I do have sex problem, but

> last

> > > Thursday I went to see a Endriconology and she

> told me that

> > > she think that if my testosterone is low, maybe

> because I am

> > > taking other medicine like suplement, thi is true

> but I feel

> > > that I need to take some testosterone, but I know

> that she

> > > is not give me any prescription, please let me

> know what I

> > > can do?

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Parada

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

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> > >

> > >

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Phil

>

> > From: wilfredtr <no_reply >

> > Subject: Re: I need help

> >

> > Date: Monday, August 10, 2009, 10:15 AM

> >

> > The link to 'find a doc' on menshealthnetwork.org is

> > inactive. However in the datatbase section (lefthad

> side)

> > this website are known doctors that people in this

> forum

> > have used.

> >

> >

> >

> > > > >

> > > > > Hey, I am 45 years old and I did a

> > Testosterone test

> > > > and my levels is 211, I do have sex problem,

> but

> > last

> > > > Thursday I went to see a Endriconology and

> she

> > told me that

> > > > she think that if my testosterone is low,

> maybe

> > because I am

> > > > taking other medicine like suplement, thi is

> true

> > but I feel

> > > > that I need to take some testosterone, but I

> know

> > that she

> > > > is not give me any prescription, please let

> me

> > know what I

> > > > can do?

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Parada

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

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> > > >

> > > >