Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 NO POLITICS here PLEASE! I don't care what side you are on this is NOT the place to discuss politics. Hopefully this was spam and not a member. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 > > Yesterday was McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the > oldest president ever inaugurated. ((What an honor!)) > * She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a > half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town > outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1 ((No experience - just like Obama!)) > * Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the > case of rape or incest.2 ((I admire her pro-life stance. It's still a baby, no matter how you get pregnant.)) > * Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4 ((YEAH!! HOORAY FOR HER!)) > She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and > international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the > person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one > who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile > international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK ((I shudder to think that Obama could be the person taking that 3AM call. He also has ZERO experience - and he's closer to being president than she is!)) > She > has NO experience beyond Alaska. — B., Denali Park, AK ((Obama has no experience beyond Illinois.)) but Palin is no Hillary. > —Marina L., Juneau, AK ((That goodness she's NOT!!!)) > > I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. — M., Anchorage, AK ((Obama is far too inexperienced to be in this position.)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Yesterday was McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for " inexperience, " here's who McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people. Huh? Um, YEAH, " huh? " . WhyEVER are you posting political essays on this list? It's going to take me 20 minutes MINIMUM to clear that out of my energies. When I want to watch the news or read the paper, that's what I'll do, thanks all the same. Ev - whose patience is being sorely tried by the Universe today.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Ev, I agree. After reading the first post and the ass-inine response that followed, I've got my finger on the unsub button. WhyEVER are you posting political essays on this list? It's going to take me 20 minutes MINIMUM to clear that out of my energies. When I want to watch the news or read the paper, that's what I'll do, thanks all the same. Ev - whose patience is being sorely tried by the Universe today.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I'm with you . If this is going to continue I will have to leave the list. I'm just hoping this was a smash and dash and we'll never hear from this person (I have a different word running through my head!) Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Dear ,Please accept my sincerest apologies. I did not intend to send that out to the group. (I'll blame it on being medicated from surgery a week or so ago).M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 I may or may not agree with these issues, but this forum is not the place for political ads. Co-Moderator From: Mike Power <hexxed@...>Subject: Mccain13Witches , AllHallowsEveryDay , "andre'a moon" <Celestiamoon@...>, "ANGEL TURNER" <cowboysgirl71@...>, "" <angela4jesus@...>, "Ask A Witch Community" <askawitchcommunity@...>, "Barry" <scaryohio@...>, "Belinda" <lovinindiana64@...>, bendoveragain@..., BlueMoonCircleInc , " Brown" <thebeautyqueenfrommars714@...>, "Brett" <bhays@...>, "Bud" <bud@...>, "budgirl6981" <budgirl6981@...>, "Cameron " <moonchild@...>, "cameron power" <jasp4ster@...>, "carl power" <cpman21@...>, "Cat's Curiosities, LLC" <catscuriositiesllc@...>, CeLynn@..., central_indiana_pagan_network , Cernowain9@..., "Chad Savage" <savage@...>, "Charlene C." <char_618@...>, "Chuck and Beth Seen" <cbseen@...>, "Colleen" <mcc47804@...>, "Colleen" <mcc47804@...>, "connor power" <renshirogane@...>, CreepCrafters , "Creepy Girl" <thecreepygirl@...>, "Crys" <bmomof3@...>, csminion@..., "Cy" <cy-pres@...>, "De " <deroberts2@...>, "Deanna Witchypoo" <mortonmanor@...>, "" <shindiggy@...>, "Doug Stallard" <dstallard@...>, "" <fj@...>, Friendly-Freezer , frightfestnorthwest@..., Frugal_Moms , "Full Moon Studios" <fullmoon@...>, garageofevilgroup , "Gen" <genclooz@...>, "Greg Fultz" <GFultz@...>, "H-KkrazyKkaren" <h-kkrazykkaren@...>, "Halloween PropMaster" <propmaster@...>, "Halloween-L Mailing List" <halloween-l@...>, halloween-l@..., HauntClubChicago , hauntworld , health , hellotrou@..., hexfiles@..., hexxed@..., HLCWitches , "Hollyberry" <holly@...>, "Howl2000 Halloween List" <Howl2000@...>, howl2000@..., illiana_pagans , Indiana-Wicca , inpaganchat , "Ivy " <ivy@...>, " H. McCoy" <SpaceKnight2@...>, jamiewku@..., "Jay" <jwalther@...>, "jdbiddle1" <jdbiddle1@...>, "JeannieGemini" <jeanniegemini@...>, "JEANNINE POWER" <jasp4@...>, "Jen Lamberson" <jen.lamberson@...>, "Jennah DiBiase" <jennah.dibiase@...>, "jennah dibiase" <dinehs@...>, "Jennah DiBiase" <1hexedbaby@...>, "Jennah DiBiase" <Jennah.DiBiase@...>, "Jennah Dibiase" <jdibia@...>, "Jewel" <bella_usi@...>, " Long" <julesplus4@...>, "Kat K" <laughlik@...>, "keeba" <keeba@...>, "Ken" <nightstalker1669@...>, "KkrazyKkaren" <kkrazykkaren@...>, kym@..., lacharlie@..., "Lady Kit" <totallycat@...>, "lanamalfoykey" <lanamalfoykey@...>, "LetterRip Requests" <requests@...>, "Levi" <knightofmanipura@...>, "" <lisapoe@...>, "Lord Tici Taci" <bagoftoes@...>, "lthrbeardan" <lthrbeardan@...>, "Marcee" <marcee@...>, L@..., "Mitch" <toothtek@...>, mrawjyh@..., "NASSER JULIE" <mamajunasser@...>, Pagan_WitchesMeetupofE_Ville , papercreters , Papermodelsgooglegroups, papermodels@..., "PATH" <pathofterrehaute@...>, "Randy" <blackknight@...>, "Reimer, Curt P." <creimer@...>, " Beech" <provia_17@...>, "Robyn M" <robynmorton@...>, "Ron" <stfron@...>, "salina sears" <salina.sears@...>, "Sandy" <sandyb@...>, sfxmakeupforum , "Shadowopal" <shadowopal@...>, sixphan@..., "Slarti Blackwood" <blackwoodkc@...>, " Pyle" <3super_mom3@...>, "Tab" <broke@...>, Technical_Insanity , TerreHaute-Cafe , "The Vampire Damien or Ken to you non-Halloween people" <nightstalker1669@...>, The_New_Pagan_Way , The365NightsofHalloween , TheSwartsells@..., THpagans , "Tim" <rehahn@...>, "Tobias Sullivan" <paganvisions1@...>, "Toby Wrolson" <haunt31@...>, "vj" <littledowellrod@...>, voodude@..., "Wabash Valley Pagans, Inc." <wabashvalleypagans@...>, Wabash_Valley_Pagans , wabashvalleypagans , weddingofficiants , "Wormy T" <trishaskin@...>Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 12:12 PMYesterday was McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people. Huh? Who is Palin? Here's some basic background: * She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1 * Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2 * She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3 * Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4 * She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5 * She's solidly in line with McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6 * How closely did McCain vet this choice? He met Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7 This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family. We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample: She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. — B., Denali Park, AK As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. — L., Anchorage, AK Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.— M., Anchorage, AK So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced. In picking Palin, McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country. In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family. Thanks for all you do. –Ilyse, Noah, , Karin and the rest of the team Sources: 1. " Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Palin 2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=1 3. " Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=2 4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=3 5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=4 6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=5 "Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=6 "Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=7 7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=8 ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 Don't unsub, . We'll take care of it. I don't know how it slipped through, but we'll try to make sure it doesn't happen again. Remember, all members including lurkers, THIS IS NOT A POLITICAL POSTING SITE!!! From: Landes <L@...>Subject: Re: Mccainhealth Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 2:52 PM Ev,I agree. After reading the first post and the ass-inine response that followed, I've got my finger on the unsub button. WhyEVER are you posting political essays on this list? It's going to take me 20 minutes MINIMUM to clear that out of my energies.When I want to watch the news or read the paper, that's what I'll do, thanks all the same.Ev - whose patience is being sorely tried by the Universe today.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 I gratefully accept the apology, and thank you for it. Everyone has an off day now and again - I'm having one myself today (if I weren't, I'd have simply ignored the post). And here's wishing you a speedy recovery from your surgery. Ev Dear ,Please accept my sincerest apologies. I did not intend to send that out to the group. (I'll blame it on being medicated from surgery a week or so ago).M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Hey kids, don't leave because someone else is a jerk and posts inappropriately. Stay and let's have HAWK be HAWK. Gayla Always Enough Ranch Acampo, California aeranch@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2008 Report Share Posted September 2, 2008 Sheesh!.. I come back from a camping weekend to see politics on this list?????? This is a big no no... There are political lists for this topic... It ceases. Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. From: Mike Power <hexxed@...>Subject: Mccain13Witches , AllHallowsEveryDay , "andre'a moon" <Celestiamoon@...>, "ANGEL TURNER" <cowboysgirl71@...>, "" <angela4jesus@...>, "Ask A Witch Community" <askawitchcommunity@...>, "Barry" <scaryohio@...>, "Belinda" <lovinindiana64@...>, bendoveragain@..., BlueMoonCircleInc , " Brown" <thebeautyqueenfrommars714@...>, "Brett" <bhays@...>, "Bud" <bud@...>, "budgirl6981" <budgirl6981@...>, "Cameron " <moonchild@...>, "cameron power" <jasp4ster@...>, "carl power" <cpman21@...>, "Cat's Curiosities, LLC" <catscuriositiesllc@...>, CeLynn@..., central_indiana_pagan_network , Cernowain9@..., "Chad Savage" <savage@...>, "Charlene C." <char_618@...>, "Chuck and Beth Seen" <cbseen@...>, "Colleen" <mcc47804@...>, "Colleen" <mcc47804@...>, "connor power" <renshirogane@...>, CreepCrafters , "Creepy Girl" <thecreepygirl@...>, "Crys" <bmomof3@...>, csminion@..., "Cy" <cy-pres@...>, "De " <deroberts2@...>, "Deanna Witchypoo" <mortonmanor@...>, "" <shindiggy@...>, "Doug Stallard" <dstallard@...>, "" <fj@...>, Friendly-Freezer , frightfestnorthwest@..., Frugal_Moms , "Full Moon Studios" <fullmoon@...>, garageofevilgroup , "Gen" <genclooz@...>, "Greg Fultz" <GFultz@...>, "H-KkrazyKkaren" <h-kkrazykkaren@...>, "Halloween PropMaster" <propmaster@...>, "Halloween-L Mailing List" <halloween-l@...>, halloween-l@..., HauntClubChicago , hauntworld , health , hellotrou@..., hexfiles@..., hexxed@..., HLCWitches , "Hollyberry" <holly@...>, "Howl2000 Halloween List" <Howl2000@...>, howl2000@..., illiana_pagans , Indiana-Wicca , inpaganchat , "Ivy " <ivy@...>, " H. McCoy" <SpaceKnight2@...>, jamiewku@..., "Jay" <jwalther@...>, "jdbiddle1" <jdbiddle1@...>, "JeannieGemini" <jeanniegemini@...>, "JEANNINE POWER" <jasp4@...>, "Jen Lamberson" <jen.lamberson@...>, "Jennah DiBiase" <jennah.dibiase@...>, "jennah dibiase" <dinehs@...>, "Jennah DiBiase" <1hexedbaby@...>, "Jennah DiBiase" <Jennah.DiBiase@...>, "Jennah Dibiase" <jdibia@...>, "Jewel" <bella_usi@...>, " Long" <julesplus4@...>, "Kat K" <laughlik@...>, "keeba" <keeba@...>, "Ken" <nightstalker1669@...>, "KkrazyKkaren" <kkrazykkaren@...>, kym@..., lacharlie@..., "Lady Kit" <totallycat@...>, "lanamalfoykey" <lanamalfoykey@...>, "LetterRip Requests" <requests@...>, "Levi" <knightofmanipura@...>, "" <lisapoe@...>, "Lord Tici Taci" <bagoftoes@...>, "lthrbeardan" <lthrbeardan@...>, "Marcee" <marcee@...>, L@..., "Mitch" <toothtek@...>, mrawjyh@..., "NASSER JULIE" <mamajunasser@...>, Pagan_WitchesMeetupofE_Ville , papercreters , Papermodelsgooglegroups, papermodels@..., "PATH" <pathofterrehaute@...>, "Randy" <blackknight@...>, "Reimer, Curt P." <creimer@...>, " Beech" <provia_17@...>, "Robyn M" <robynmorton@...>, "Ron" <stfron@...>, "salina sears" <salina.sears@...>, "Sandy" <sandyb@...>, sfxmakeupforum , "Shadowopal" <shadowopal@...>, sixphan@..., "Slarti Blackwood" <blackwoodkc@...>, " Pyle" <3super_mom3@...>, "Tab" <broke@...>, Technical_Insanity , TerreHaute-Cafe , "The Vampire Damien or Ken to you non-Halloween people" <nightstalker1669@...>, The_New_Pagan_Way , The365NightsofHalloween , TheSwartsells@..., THpagans , "Tim" <rehahn@...>, "Tobias Sullivan" <paganvisions1@...>, "Toby Wrolson" <haunt31@...>, "vj" <littledowellrod@...>, voodude@..., "Wabash Valley Pagans, Inc." <wabashvalleypagans@...>, Wabash_Valley_Pagans , wabashvalleypagans , weddingofficiants , "Wormy T" <trishaskin@...>Date: Saturday, August 30, 2008, 1:12 PMYesterday was McCain's 72nd birthday. If elected, he'd be the oldest president ever inaugurated. And after months of slamming Barack Obama for "inexperience," here's who McCain has chosen to be one heartbeat away from the presidency: a right-wing religious conservative with no foreign policy experience, who until recently was mayor of a town of 9,000 people. Huh? Who is Palin? Here's some basic background: * She was elected Alaska's governor a little over a year and a half ago. Her previous office was mayor of Wasilla, a small town outside Anchorage. She has no foreign policy experience.1 * Palin is strongly anti-choice, opposing abortion even in the case of rape or incest.2 * She supported right-wing extremist Pat Buchanan for president in 2000. 3 * Palin thinks creationism should be taught in public schools.4 * She's doesn't think humans are the cause of climate change.5 * She's solidly in line with McCain's "Big Oil first" energy policy. She's pushed hard for more oil drilling and says renewables won't be ready for years. She also sued the Bush administration for listing polar bears as an endangered species—she was worried it would interfere with more oil drilling in Alaska.6 * How closely did McCain vet this choice? He met Palin once at a meeting. They spoke a second time, last Sunday, when he called her about being vice-president. Then he offered her the position.7 This is information the American people need to see. Please take a moment to forward this email to your friends and family. We also asked Alaska MoveOn members what the rest of us should know about their governor. The response was striking. Here's a sample: She is really just a mayor from a small town outside Anchorage who has been a governor for only 1.5 years, and has ZERO national and international experience. I shudder to think that she could be the person taking that 3AM call on the White House hotline, and the one who could potentially be charged with leading the US in the volatile international scene that exists today. —Rose M., Fairbanks, AK She is VERY, VERY conservative, and far from perfect. She's a hunter and fisherwoman, but votes against the environment again and again. She ran on ethics reform, but is currently under investigation for several charges involving hiring and firing of state officials. She has NO experience beyond Alaska. — B., Denali Park, AK As an Alaskan and a feminist, I am beyond words at this announcement. Palin is not a feminist, and she is not the reformer she claims to be. — L., Anchorage, AK Alaskans, collectively, are just as stunned as the rest of the nation. She is doing well running our State, but is totally inexperienced on the national level, and very much unequipped to run the nation, if it came to that. She is as far right as one can get, which has already been communicated on the news. In our office of thirty employees (dems, republicans, and nonpartisans), not one person feels she is ready for the V.P. position.—Sherry C., Anchorage, AK She's vehemently anti-choice and doesn't care about protecting our natural resources, even though she has worked as a fisherman. McCain chose her to pick up the Hillary voters, but Palin is no Hillary. —Marina L., Juneau, AK I think she's far too inexperienced to be in this position. I'm all for a woman in the White House, but not one who hasn't done anything to deserve it. There are far many other women who have worked their way up and have much more experience that would have been better choices. This is a patronizing decision on McCain's part- and insulting to females everywhere that he would assume he'll get our vote by putting "A Woman" in that position.— M., Anchorage, AK So Governor Palin is a staunch anti-choice religious conservative. She's a global warming denier who shares McCain's commitment to Big Oil. And she's dramatically inexperienced. In picking Palin, McCain has made the religious right very happy. And he's made a very dangerous decision for our country. In the next few days, many Americans will be wondering what McCain's vice-presidential choice means. Please pass this information along to your friends and family. Thanks for all you do. –Ilyse, Noah, , Karin and the rest of the team Sources: 1. " Palin," Wikipedia, Accessed August 29, 2008 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/_Palin 2. "McCain Selects Anti-Choice Palin as Running Mate," NARAL Pro-Choice America, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17515 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=1 3. " Palin, Buchananite," The Nation, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17736 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=2 4. "'Creation science' enters the race," Anchorage Daily News, October 27, 2006 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17737 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=3 5. "Palin buys climate denial PR spin—ignores science," Huffington Post, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17517 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=4 6. "McCain VP Pick Completes Shift to Bush Energy Policy," Sierra Club, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17518 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=5 "Choice of Palin Promises Failed Energy Policies of the Past," League of Conservation Voters, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17519 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=6 "Protecting polar bears gets in way of drilling for oil, says governor," The Times of London, May 23, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=17520 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=7 7 "McCain met Palin once before yesterday," MSNBC, August 29, 2008 http://www.moveon.org/r?r=21119 & id=13661-8283874-Wpi7vRx & t=8 ------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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