Guest guest Posted August 4, 2003 Report Share Posted August 4, 2003 Ever heard of Gum Guard? http://harroldhosting.com/gumguard/about.htm Dawn > The ACV idea seems good to me -- one company is experimenting > with probiotic toothpaste and the idea is to displace the bad bacteria > with good ones. Which makes a whole lot of sense -- trying to make > your mouth *sterile* seems kind of hopeless! Like taking antibiotics > to kill the bacteria in your gut -- yeah, they will die, then the bad > ones will move in ... However, I don't know what bacteria are the best > ones for your mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 thank u, chris ChrisMasterjohn@... wrote:In a message dated 8/4/03 8:54:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, dianamagic2000@... writes: > i do not understand what u mean by aerobic vs. anaerobic referring to the > teeth. can u elaborate? thanks, diana Not the teeth, the bacteria. An aerobe survives in an oxygen-rich environment, an anaerobe thrives in an oxygen-deprived environment. Not all bacteria fit clearly into either category, and not all environments fit clearly into either category. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >In the latter case, the ACV might help just by >introducing competing bacteria/yeasts to crowd out overgrown ones. Like our >gut has hundreds of bacteria that could be considered pathogenic if they >gained dominance but are healthy when they are kept in check/keeping the others in >check. It could well be. I do know my mouth is COMPLETELY different now than it was, but I eat so many probiotics, who knows? I've also been avoiding foods that make my teeth " mossy " -- I take that a A SIGN that that food is less than optimal. It is less than scientific, but think about it: if a food can make bacteria grow on your teeth so fast that you can FEEL it, what does that food do in your gut? -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 In a message dated 8/5/03 7:47:24 AM Eastern Daylight Time, s.fisher22@... writes: > ----->so, the acidity wouldn't wear down the enamel? i remember discussing > this issue vis-a-vis kefir on the kefir list a while back. some folks said > their teeth became more sensitive after starting to drink kefir, and they > thought it might be from the acidity. > I've wondered about this and the answer is simply I don't know. I always do it before I brush my teeth. My tooth paste has acid blockers and I usually rinse with either salt or both baking soda and salt afterwards, both of which I would think would neutralize any acid still on my teeth. I don't know if that diminishes the effectiveness of swishing with the ACV, but after several weeks of doing it alone I got a little nervous about doing it long-term. Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >In the latter case, the ACV might help just by >introducing competing bacteria/yeasts to crowd out overgrown ones. Like our >gut has hundreds of bacteria that could be considered pathogenic if they >gained dominance but are healthy when they are kept in check/keeping the others in >check. >>>>It could well be. I do know my mouth is COMPLETELY different now than it was, but I eat so many probiotics, who knows? ----->so, the acidity wouldn't wear down the enamel? i remember discussing this issue vis-a-vis kefir on the kefir list a while back. some folks said their teeth became more sensitive after starting to drink kefir, and they thought it might be from the acidity. i think baking soda/celtic salt/myrrh are a great combo for teeth cleaning. these are part of my holistic dentist's cleaning protocol, and my teeth have never felt cleaner than after using this combo, along with a few drops of cellfood (substituting for h2o2). but i also use toms of maine non-flouride toothpaste. Suze Fisher Lapdog Design, Inc. Web Design & Development http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine http://www.westonaprice.org ---------------------------- " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and cholesterol cause heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our times. " -- Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at Vanderbilt University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics <http://www.thincs.org> ---------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 >----->so, the acidity wouldn't wear down the enamel? i remember discussing >this issue vis-a-vis kefir on the kefir list a while back. some folks said >their teeth became more sensitive after starting to drink kefir, and they >thought it might be from the acidity. >> Acidity DOES break down the enamel. That is a problem with a lot of people who eat too many oranges. I don't seem to have much problem with kimchi though. I think a lot of it has to do with the balance of what you eat vs. how much saliva you have. When I was having major problems, I had ZERO saliva. My eyes were so dry that they would " glue " shut in the morning. These are classic Sjogren's symptoms (which, of course, is another one of those wheat-related autoimmune conditions). So now I have more saliva, and the kimchi really increases saliva production. Shoot, just thinking about it makes me drool ... so any food that creates more saliva will help save your teeth. Lack of saliva is a major cause of gum/tooth decay, I've read somewhere. >i think baking soda/celtic salt/myrrh are a great combo for teeth cleaning. >these are part of my holistic dentist's cleaning protocol, and my teeth have >never felt cleaner than after using this combo, along with a few drops of >cellfood (substituting for h2o2). but i also use toms of maine non-flouride >toothpaste. Well, you see this is where I'm divided. I love baking soda as a cleaner, and the alkaline effect no doubt goes away quickly. But in general, the bugs that grow in acid are different from the ones that grow in alkaline. If I use baking soda on my recycle bin, then fill it with garbage, it REALLY STINKS. If I use vinegar, it decomposes, but doesn't smell so bad. In very general terms, humans get along better with acidic bacteria (all your probiotic drinks are acidic, as are all the other drinks we tend to drink: OJ, coffee, cola). -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2003 Report Share Posted August 5, 2003 Well, you brought me back...Thanks for being so grounded! Del > > >----->so, the acidity wouldn't wear down the enamel? i remember discussing > >this issue vis-a-vis kefir on the kefir list a while back. some folks said > >their teeth became more sensitive after starting to drink kefir, and they > >thought it might be from the acidity. > > >> Acidity DOES break down the enamel. That is a problem with a lot > of people who eat too many oranges. I don't seem to have much > problem with kimchi though. I think a lot of it has to do with the > balance of what you eat vs. how much saliva you have. > > When I was having major problems, I had ZERO saliva. My eyes > were so dry that they would " glue " shut in the morning. These > are classic Sjogren's symptoms (which, of course, is another > one of those wheat-related autoimmune conditions). So now I > have more saliva, and the kimchi really increases saliva production. > Shoot, just thinking about it makes me drool ... so any food > that creates more saliva will help save your teeth. Lack of saliva > is a major cause of gum/tooth decay, I've read somewhere. > > >i think baking soda/celtic salt/myrrh are a great combo for teeth cleaning. > >these are part of my holistic dentist's cleaning protocol, and my teeth have > >never felt cleaner than after using this combo, along with a few drops of > >cellfood (substituting for h2o2). but i also use toms of maine non- flouride > >toothpaste. > > Well, you see this is where I'm divided. I love baking soda as a cleaner, > and the alkaline effect no doubt goes away quickly. But in general, the > bugs that grow in acid are different from the ones that grow in alkaline. > If I use baking soda on my recycle bin, then fill it with garbage, > it REALLY STINKS. If I use vinegar, it decomposes, but doesn't smell > so bad. In very general terms, humans get along better with acidic > bacteria (all your probiotic drinks are acidic, as are all the other > drinks we tend to drink: OJ, coffee, cola). > > -- Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sorry I did not have a chance to ask about water pics and he did not bring them up. He did say baking soda is good for whitening the teeth, and safe (eg it won't wear them down). > > Make that 3. I heard the dentist talk at the WAPF convention in > > Arlington. (Sorry, don't have his name handy.) He had Hydrogen > > Peroxide on a list of substances that wear down the tooth enamel. > > > > I stopped using it in my water pic after that. > > > > Daphne > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2003 Report Share Posted August 7, 2003 Sorry, I don't recall, it was a slide, he was going fast. And I would not have cared if listerine was on the list since I avoid most mass market products like that. Maybe your friend would try jason's seaweed mouthwash. It is very potent as a breath freshner and has minerals and other good stuff. > > > > >>>That is great to know that your dentist told you that. My > > dentist > > > > told me to use listerine. > > > > > > > > ---->del, my holistic dentist also recommends a cleansing > > protocol > > > involving > > > > hydrogen peroxide. however, i did a little research online (by > no > > > means was > > > > it *comprehensive* though) and i came away with the impression > > that > > > there > > > > may typically be residual solvents in it left over from the > > > processing or > > > > something. i searched for info on both food-grade and regular > > drug > > > store > > > > h202 and i came away feeling uncomfortable putting either in my > > > mouth so i > > > > decided to substitute a different oxygen product (cellfood). > i'm > > > just going > > > > on memory now and i don't recall the specific details. maybe > the > > > sources i > > > > read were not accurate, but i just decided to not use it until > i > > > felt > > > > certain i could find a pure source. > > > > > > > > also, i think chris posted a while back that there are harmful > > > *aerobic* > > > > bacteria that inhabit our mouth as well as *anaerobic* ones, so > > the > > > notion > > > > that h202 will make the mouth environmental inhospitible to > > > pathogenic > > > > organisms may not be totally accurate. having said that, there > > > seems to be > > > > quite a bit of anecdotal evidence that h2o2 is helping some > folks > > > with oral > > > > hygiene. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Suze Fisher > > > > Lapdog Design, Inc. > > > > Web Design & Development > > > > http://members.bellatlantic.net/~vze3shjg > > > > Weston A. Price Foundation Chapter Leader, Mid Coast Maine > > > > http://www.westonaprice.org > > > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > > > " The diet-heart idea (the idea that saturated fats and > > cholesterol > > > cause > > > > heart disease) is the greatest scientific deception of our > > times. " - > > > - > > > > Mann, MD, former Professor of Medicine and Biochemistry at > > > Vanderbilt > > > > University, Tennessee; heart disease researcher. > > > > > > > > The International Network of Cholesterol Skeptics > > > > <http://www.thincs.org> > > > > ---------------------------- > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Hello, I have a question: Is ok to use hydrogen peroxide to wash mouth, or can it damage the teeth? Rena Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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