Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 In a message dated 31/10/2008 03:21:02 GMT Standard Time, JPopplewell@... writes: I know that many on this board are treating their children for parasites. Except for rare references to pinworm, I don't believe anyone has indicated which parasite is the source of their child's problem. Could someone tell me if they have identified a specific parasite (or had one identified for them by a practitioner)pa >>For us Blastocystis Hominus and Dientomeba Fragillis - probably spelt that wrong but I expect you understand Mandi in UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 > > I know that many on this board are treating their children for > parasites. Except for rare references to pinworm, I don't believe > anyone has indicated which parasite is the source of their child's > problem. Could someone tell me if they have identified a specific > parasite (or had one identified for them by a practitioner)? Or is it > generally presumed that these children harbor several different > parasites? I don't mean to badger anyone, but this appears to be a > fairly common feature among children who either are on the spectrum or > are chelating, and I'm not aware that it has been examined to any great > extent. Thanks for any information you can send my way. > > Jim > I nearly died a bit under 8 years ago. Lots of medical tests and so on revealed very little: According to doctors, I am allergic to ragweed, I needed some vaccine I was short on, and I have a mild form of cystic fibrosis (CF). With the diagnosis of CF, they then began giving me serious drugs to get me well, to no avail. I went through 13 or 14 rounds of antibiotics and other drugs that summer (some with side effects like " kills some people " ) with zero progress. Every time I came off them, I was back in the ER within 48 hours. Then I hypothesized that my then-husband must have brought a parasite back from Saudi a few years earlier and transmitted it to me sexually. I ran that idea past a doctor I was friends with who happened to minor in parasitology in college and he said it sounded plausible, given all that I was going through. I began acting on that hypothesis and my condition stabilized within 2 weeks, after nearly a year at death's door with no real answers. I eventually concluded that everyone in the family somehow had it, whatever " it " was, and began treating my kids as well. My ex didn't agree with my view of the situation, which is part of why he is my ex (it became clear to me at some point that staying with him would kill me because of the combination of infection(s) he carried and my compromised immune system). He took me seriously enough to ask for a test for parasites, it turned up nothing at all, and he felt the doctors were right and my hypothesis was baseless (nevermind that I was finally getting well, that apparently couldn't be " evidence " that I was right). While very ill, I did a fair amount of looking for SOMETHING, ANYTHING on the web that sounded like what I was going through. The only thing I ever found was trypanosomas. One known strain of trypanosomas causes African Sleeping Sickness. It is called that because as you get sicker, you gradually sleep more and more until you finally lapse into a coma and ultimately die. At my sickest, I was sleeping 18 to 20 hours a day -- and not really dreaming much. My brain was pretty far gone. I find it very believable that coma was not far off. Death certainly wasn't far away. What dreams I did have were dominated for a time with friendly little discussions with The Grim Reaper. Then one day he turned his back on me and left. That's when I knew I would live. So, I don't know what we had. I do know that treating for parasites has done all three of us enormous good. And I have an educated guess (or hypothesis) that it may be a form of trypanosoma, or something related. HTH. Michele http://www.healthgazelle.org http://www.kidslikemine.org http://www.solanorail.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 > > I know that many on this board are treating their children for > parasites. Except for rare references to pinworm, I don't believe > anyone has indicated which parasite is the source of their child's > problem. Could someone tell me if they have identified a specific > parasite (or had one identified for them by a practitioner)? Or is it > generally presumed that these children harbor several different > parasites? I don't mean to badger anyone, but this appears to be a > fairly common feature among children who either are on the spectrum or > are chelating, and I'm not aware that it has been examined to any great > extent. Thanks for any information you can send my way. > > Jim This is a totally reasonable question. Some of it I think is just nutty behavior motivated by crazy people pretending to be doctors (some with licenses, some without). Some of it is rational. I don't think most of the people differentiate the parasites, it is more presumed due to some vague and general symptoms that they have some sort of 'parasites,' and some treatment is given. Most of the people doing this frankly don't know what the possible organisms are. This kind of thing was a BIG ACAM fad 6 or 8 years ago and DAN! seems to recycle all the ACAM fads (including the ones that died out due to high adverse reaction rates). The best discussion of the rational approach I've heard is from a naturopath who has been in practice a long time. He says that you can squander lots and lots of patients' money on testing and still not really be sure you've figured out what is going on, or you can try a couple of treatments and be sure if they used to have parasites, they don't now. If they get better, they might have. It's a lot quicker and cheaper than testing and does work with reasonable frequency, though you're never sure what got killed off. He uses 'natural' agents which he will be the first to tell you are NOT particularly safe and have to be used with care by someone who knows what they're doing. Of course the commonly used Rx stuff like metronidazole (flagyl) is also NOT very safe stuff. I think most of the presumed 'parasites' are more Giardia like organisms than worms. The most common indications for a therapeutic trial is digestive distress or apparent malabsorption of some nutrients. Another doctor I know locally says she is finally having reasonable luck figuring out what is going on using the metametrix DNA probe tests (they look for organism DNA in stool samples) and is not having to do as many blind therapeutic trials of treatment. Not sure how much I believe this, personally, but she is usually somewhat reliable in her reports on these topics. I think to a certain extent the terms 'parasites' and 'dysbiosis' are being used pretty loosely and perhaps moderately interchangeably. I've also heard of plenty of crazy stuff, like a doctor thinking his then middle aged patient must have some kind of rare tropical helminth she got from a pet turtle when she was little when she got jaundice as part of her adverse reaction to DMPS injection therapy - he gave her praziquantel which made her quite sick and decided that must confirm that she had them and this was the die off reaction.... Hope this helps! If you get it all figured out, please clue me in ;-) so I have something more productive to say than making cracks about the most common parasite these kids have is the one wearing a white lab coat. Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 We had a Live Blood analysis done with our naturopath and could see the parasites in my daughter's blood. There were so many they couldn't tell if she has yeast in her blood. > > > > I know that many on this board are treating their children for > > parasites. Except for rare references to pinworm, I don't believe > > anyone has indicated which parasite is the source of their child's > > problem. Could someone tell me if they have identified a specific > > parasite (or had one identified for them by a practitioner)? Or is it > > generally presumed that these children harbor several different > > parasites? I don't mean to badger anyone, but this appears to be a > > fairly common feature among children who either are on the spectrum or > > are chelating, and I'm not aware that it has been examined to any great > > extent. Thanks for any information you can send my way. > > > > Jim > > This is a totally reasonable question. > > Some of it I think is just nutty behavior motivated by crazy people pretending to be > doctors (some with licenses, some without). > > Some of it is rational. > > I don't think most of the people differentiate the parasites, it is more presumed due to > some vague and general symptoms that they have some sort of 'parasites,' and some > treatment is given. > > Most of the people doing this frankly don't know what the possible organisms are. > > This kind of thing was a BIG ACAM fad 6 or 8 years ago and DAN! seems to recycle all the > ACAM fads (including the ones that died out due to high adverse reaction rates). > > The best discussion of the rational approach I've heard is from a naturopath who has been > in practice a long time. He says that you can squander lots and lots of patients' money on > testing and still not really be sure you've figured out what is going on, or you can try a > couple of treatments and be sure if they used to have parasites, they don't now. If they > get better, they might have. It's a lot quicker and cheaper than testing and does work with > reasonable frequency, though you're never sure what got killed off. He uses 'natural' > agents which he will be the first to tell you are NOT particularly safe and have to be used > with care by someone who knows what they're doing. > > Of course the commonly used Rx stuff like metronidazole (flagyl) is also NOT very safe > stuff. > > I think most of the presumed 'parasites' are more Giardia like organisms than worms. The > most common indications for a therapeutic trial is digestive distress or apparent > malabsorption of some nutrients. > > Another doctor I know locally says she is finally having reasonable luck figuring out what > is going on using the metametrix DNA probe tests (they look for organism DNA in stool > samples) and is not having to do as many blind therapeutic trials of treatment. Not sure > how much I believe this, personally, but she is usually somewhat reliable in her reports on > these topics. > > I think to a certain extent the terms 'parasites' and 'dysbiosis' are being used pretty loosely > and perhaps moderately interchangeably. > > I've also heard of plenty of crazy stuff, like a doctor thinking his then middle aged patient > must have some kind of rare tropical helminth she got from a pet turtle when she was > little when she got jaundice as part of her adverse reaction to DMPS injection therapy - he > gave her praziquantel which made her quite sick and decided that must confirm that she > had them and this was the die off reaction.... > > Hope this helps! If you get it all figured out, please clue me in ;-) so I have something > more productive to say than making cracks about the most common parasite these kids > have is the one wearing a white lab coat. > > Andy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 31, 2008 Report Share Posted October 31, 2008 Jim, Hulda write of this in her books. She uses frequency testing for what the bug actually may be. She also proposes generalized treatments to get rid of them. Both BorreliaMultipleInfectionsAndAuti sm/ and Reversingautism/ have information in their files re such. > > I know that many on this board are treating their children for > parasites. Except for rare references to pinworm, I don't believe > anyone has indicated which parasite is the source of their child's > problem. Could someone tell me if they have identified a specific > parasite (or had one identified for them by a practitioner)? Or is it > generally presumed that these children harbor several different > parasites? I don't mean to badger anyone, but this appears to be a > fairly common feature among children who either are on the spectrum or > are chelating, and I'm not aware that it has been examined to any great > extent. Thanks for any information you can send my way. > > Jim > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 OOPS! That should have been under this subjet line. Gayla PS...darned computer...I better quit trying to post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 > OOPS! That should have been under this subjet line. > Gayla > > PS...darned computer...I better quit trying to post! LOL! Well, don't do THAT! I'm hanging on to that last post, subject line nothwithstanding! Ev (who just found out her brother is needing a needle biopsy on his liver) :*( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Oh, my. I've had that twice. Not a pleasant experience. My prayers are with him. Why is he getting it? Peace, love, laughter Ev (who just found out her brother is needing a needle biopsy on his liver) :*( __ .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 Is your brother taking milk thistle? It is really good for liver troubles. GAYLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2009 Report Share Posted January 9, 2009 > Is your brother taking milk thistle? It is really good for liver > troubles. > GAYLA Thanks, Gayla - I started him on that some years hence. Don't know if he still is - did I mention the cirrhosis? /:( He has a host of health issues - today he told me he has shingles, too. ly, if my brother wants to stay on this plane of existence for much longer, he seriously needs to do a complete about-face with some of his habits. All I can do for him is love him, which I do. Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 a complete cleanse would be good... does he drink much water? Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. From: <autumn3scorpio@...>Subject: Re: Treating parasiteshealth Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 3:51 PM > Is your brother taking milk thistle? It is really good for liver > troubles. > GAYLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Sometimes all you can do is love them. Kombucha might help, boosting his immune system. IF IF IF he will take it. It is really cheap to make. Hang in there Ev. Gayla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 I seriously doubt it, although he probably THINKS he does. a complete cleanse would be good... does he drink much water? Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered. From: <autumn3scorpio@...>Subject: Re: Treating parasiteshealth Date: Friday, January 9, 2009, 3:51 PM> Is your brother taking milk thistle? It is really good for liver > troubles. > GAYLA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 > Sometimes all you can do is love them. > Kombucha might help, boosting his immune system. IF IF IF he will take > it. It is really cheap to make. > Hang in there Ev. > Gayla LOL! I used to do kombucha myself! The " if " is a really big one, innit?!! I'm doing alright - yesterday morning was a little shaky while I came to terms with whatever this is going on with him, but I put myself in a better place. By the afternoon, I was my usual laughing self. After all, I don't know (consciously, anyway) what experiences he came here to have, so it's not for me to " correct " any of it for him. But if he wants to know, it's lovely to have some good suggestions I can pass along... Thanks much, gang! Y'all are Oh-TAY!!! Ev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Drinking water is important, but many folks think " liquid " instead of water. Most juices are a fair equivalent, but coffee, sodas, tea are NOT a substitute. The caffeine actually dehydrates you. Same with the famous thirst quencher, beer. Alcohol dehydrates you. I think the only way to really know how much water you are drinking is to put a gallon jug on the counter in the morning and see how much is left at night. My neighbor pours herself a half glass of water at dinner and takes a few sips at best. I bet mentally she counts this as a glass of water. Russians are know as drinkers, and rightly so. I heard a Russian man (on the Super Stars of Dance show) recently say " Everyone thinks we drink vodka first thing in the morning. Not true! Sometimes we drink cognac! " The Russians were ready to give up Christianity and convert the nation to Islam but the heads of Islam would not give them a dispensation to drink. True! But recent studies in Russia using milk thistle for terrible cases of cirrhosis (SP?) showed very marked improvement. So the liver can heal itself if allowed to do so. Gayla ALways Enough Ranch Acampo, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Great stuff here. I always say to drink 8 gulps an hour, of water that is. And whenever I drink coffee or tea, I drink the equivilant (sp???) in water. I drink between 1 and 2 gallons a day of water. And I am living proof that the liver can heal itself! Doctors overperscribed me meds for stomach issues, and almost destroyed my liver. As a matter of fact, that's how I got involved in this lifestyle (he means wearing womans clothes) [HUSH Guido]. Sorry about that. He gets out of his box sometimes. But in all seriousness, the human body is amazing! If we treat it right, it'll last, well, last a lifetime. The trick is to keep it vigerous and healthy in that span. That's one of the many reasons I am on this list. Peace, love, laughter (HEY!!) Oh From: Gayla <aeranch@...>Subject: Re: Re: Treating parasiteshealth Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:39 AM Drinking water is important, but many folks think "liquid" instead of water. Most juices are a fair equivalent, but coffee, sodas, tea are NOT a substitute. The caffeine actually dehydrates you. Same with the famous thirst quencher, beer. Alcohol dehydrates you. I think the only way to really know how much water you are drinking is to put a gallon jug on the counter in the morning and see how much is left at night. My neighbor pours herself a half glass of water at dinner and takes a few sips at best. I bet mentally she counts this as a glass of water.Russians are know as drinkers, and rightly so. I heard a Russian man (on the Super Stars of Dance show) recently say "Everyone thinks we drink vodka first thing in the morning. Not true! Sometimes we drink cognac!" The Russians were ready to give up Christianity and convert the nation to Islam but the heads of Islam would not give them a dispensation to drink. True! But recent studies in Russia using milk thistle for terrible cases of cirrhosis (SP?) showed very marked improvement. So the liver can heal itself if allowed to do so.Gayla ALways Enough RanchAcampo, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Great stuff here. I always say to drink 8 gulps an hour, of water that is. And whenever I drink coffee or tea, I drink the equivilant (sp???) in water. I drink between 1 and 2 gallons a day of water, and always check the color of my urin. Sounds gross, but it really is a good indicator. And I am living proof that the liver can heal itself! Doctors overperscribed me meds for stomach issues, and almost destroyed my liver. As a matter of fact, that's how I got involved in this lifestyle (he means wearing womans clothes) [HUSH Guido]. Sorry about that. He gets out of his box sometimes. But in all seriousness, the human body is amazing! If we treat it right, it'll last, well, last a lifetime. The trick is to keep it vigerous and healthy in that span. That's one of the many reasons I am on this list. Peace, love, laughter (HEY!!) Oh yes, and Guido too. Drinking water is important, but many folks think "liquid" instead of water. Most juices are a fair equivalent, but coffee, sodas, tea are NOT a substitute. The caffeine actually dehydrates you. Same with the famous thirst quencher, beer. Alcohol dehydrates you. I think the only way to really know how much water you are drinking is to put a gallon jug on the counter in the morning and see how much is left at night. My neighbor pours herself a half glass of water at dinner and takes a few sips at best. I bet mentally she counts this as a glass of water.Russians are know as drinkers, and rightly so. I heard a Russian man (on the Super Stars of Dance show) recently say "Everyone thinks we drink vodka first thing in the morning. Not true! Sometimes we drink cognac!" The Russians were ready to give up Christianity and convert the nation to Islam but the heads of Islam would not give them a dispensation to drink. True! But recent studies in Russia using milk thistle for terrible cases of cirrhosis (SP?) showed very marked improvement. So the liver can heal itself if allowed to do so.Gayla ALways Enough RanchAcampo, CA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2009 Report Share Posted January 10, 2009 Some time ago Target had 24oz insulated water bottles with a built in straw. They were spill-proof and didn’t weep. I bought three. So my goal every day is to finish all three 24oz bottles during the course of the day. Makes it easier to keep track. Sharyn From: health [mailto:health ] On Behalf Of I always say to drink 8 gulps an hour, of water that is. And whenever I drink coffee or tea, I drink the equivilant (sp???) in water. I drink between 1 and 2 gallons a day of water. No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com Version: 8.0.176 / Virus Database: 270.10.5/1885 - Release Date: 1/9/2009 7:59 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Oh I'm so glad Guido stopped in! Happy New Year brudda. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 , You better introduce Guido to the new members.... lol Suzi List Owner health/ http://360./suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Right back at'cha, sis Guido Oh I'm so glad Guido stopped in! Happy New Year brudda. Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2009 Report Share Posted January 11, 2009 Not a bad idea. For those that don't know, I used to do amature stand up comedy. A character I developed is called Guido, a streetwise smart mouth with a big heart. He grew up in pre-Depression Chicago. Every now and then, I slip into character, and he "gets out of his box". Basically, that's it. Well, there's a lot more (I'm writing a novella about him), but there we are. Peace, love, laughter From: Suzanne <suziesgoats@...>Subject: Re: Re: Treating parasiteshealth Date: Saturday, January 10, 2009, 10:46 PM , You better introduce Guido to the new members.... lol Suzi List Owner http://health. groups.. com/group/ HAWK_Health_ Awareness/ http://360.. com/suziesgoats What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.--- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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