melatonin

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I have had different results with different brands. Did you change brands?

Some brands have zero effect on my son, others knock him right out. He

shouldn't need a stronger and stronger dose. We have never had to increase

dosage.

Carol G

[Guest guest]

the worry with children is that the pineal gland will not develop to

manufacture melatonin since it is getting it externally.

however using it every other day may get around this as well and

stymying habituation.

also you are right about the seratonin thing too with melatonin i

think, with me melatonin can cause migriane, it seems to raise

serotoninlevels which may be a good thing in hyper children.

> I know that melatonin is not a medication but a hormone that

regulates

> seratonin levels in the brain. (Is that right?) I know there are

people on

> this list who are VERY knowledgeable about this stuff. Could

someone educate

> us? I'm also a little worried about administering a hormone, long

term, to a

> young child. The people at the HFS, and the directions on the

bottle, stress

> that it SHOULD NOT be used by children.

>

> Ybvonne

[Guest guest]

The best available evidence is that administering melatonin has no

effect on the body's own production. It is one of the very few things

to be on " open loop " control.

The best availble evidence is reasonably good. It includes adult

humans as well as many animal studies.

Do remain cautious, however, as there really are no guarantees about

most of what we " know " based on studies, experience, etc.

I would not personally be concerned about this if it was my kid.

Andy

> the worry with children is that the pineal gland will not develop to

> manufacture melatonin since it is getting it externally.

>

> however using it every other day may get around this as well and

> stymying habituation.

>

> also you are right about the seratonin thing too with melatonin i

> think, with me melatonin can cause migriane, it seems to raise

> serotoninlevels which may be a good thing in hyper children.

>

>

> > I know that melatonin is not a medication but a hormone that

> regulates

> > seratonin levels in the brain. (Is that right?) I know there are

> people on

> > this list who are VERY knowledgeable about this stuff. Could

> someone educate

> > us? I'm also a little worried about administering a hormone, long

> term, to a

> > young child. The people at the HFS, and the directions on the

> bottle, stress

> > that it SHOULD NOT be used by children.

> >

> > Ybv

[Guest guest]

Try Kirkman labs... www.kirkmanlabss.com

--- AhJhawk@... wrote:

> Does anyone know where to get liquid melatonin?or

> capsules I can break open?

> I looked at Houstons and I don't see melatonin at

> all.ne

>

>

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> removed]

>

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Bell

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[Guest guest]

natrol make a liquid melatonin

> Does anyone know where to get liquid melatonin?or capsules I can

break open?

> I looked at Houstons and I don't see melatonin at all.ne

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

ne go to the Kirkmans site - on the left is a hypoallergenic range go into

this and keep going down the list until you come to Melatonin Plus - Melatonin

plus has 100mg magensium in it this comes in small capsules which you just break

onto anything I use soy yoghurt - no bad taste and no additives.

Regards

Terri NZ

[ ] Melatonin

Does anyone know where to get liquid melatonin?or capsules I can break open?

I looked at Houstons and I don't see melatonin at all.ne

[Guest guest]

If you don't want to wait for the Kirkman's items to be delivered, GNC sells a

liquid Melatonin that I've used with success.

Deanna

AhJhawk@... wrote: Does anyone know where to get liquid melatonin?or

capsules I can break open?

I looked at Houstons and I don't see melatonin at all.ne

[Guest guest]

Subject: Re: Melatonin

--- AhJhawk@... wrote:

> Does anyone know where to get liquid melatonin?or

> capsules I can break open?

> I looked at Houstons and I don't see melatonin at

> all.ne

>

ne,

Go to www.kirkmanlabs.com

On the left hand side, click on " Online Store "

Look for the category called " Chelation Line " . Click on " Chelation Line "

Click on " Melatonin 1mg "

Click on " Add to Cart "

From there, you can click on " Continue shopping " or " Check out " .

(One thing that you should know is that Kirkman's charges a minimum $4.50

postage and handling for orders of $45 or less, and 10% of the order for

orders above that. So, if you are going to order anything else, order it

in the same shipment to cut down on shipping costs.)(Most companies do

this.)

The melatonin only costs $7 for 100 chewables. They are little and

sweet. My daughter likes them.

Carolyn

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/11/02 6:14:47 PM Pacific Standard Time,

staceydaniel@... writes:

> Melatonin has been a great natural alternative for us for sleep issues.

> Just thought I would share.

>

Be careful, though. It only worked for around three weeks for my

DD.

Margaret

[Guest guest]

Getting a good night's sleep can do a world of good. I believe this

is the basis of the amitryptiline that we use. As I understand it,

the ami (or clonodine or melatonin) help induce the deep sleep.

During this period you body produces certain hormones that are not

produced any other time, and these hormones help regulate pain

sensitivity among other things. Also, if you have low serotonin that

could also create low melatonin levels. Zinc deficiency is also

reduces the levels of seratonin, and thus melatonin.

I like the ami because for one it is really cheap, $5 for all three

of us per month, and I am leery of using a hormone such as melatonin

regularly. My boys are older so I don't want any problem with the

natural hormone changes they are approaching (boy, isn't this going

to be an exciting time!). I also have more difficulties with monthly

hormone fluctuations as it is so don't want to add to that.

.

[Guest guest]

-

what is AMI? Never heard of it... I would love

something else other than melatonin also.

Any more info you ahe woul dbe great.

--- jornmatt <kjorn@...> wrote:

> Getting a good night's sleep can do a world of good.

> I believe this

> is the basis of the amitryptiline that we use. As I

> understand it,

> the ami (or clonodine or melatonin) help induce the

> deep sleep.

> During this period you body produces certain

> hormones that are not

> produced any other time, and these hormones help

> regulate pain

> sensitivity among other things. Also, if you have

> low serotonin that

> could also create low melatonin levels. Zinc

> deficiency is also

> reduces the levels of seratonin, and thus melatonin.

>

>

> I like the ami because for one it is really cheap,

> $5 for all three

> of us per month, and I am leery of using a hormone

> such as melatonin

> regularly. My boys are older so I don't want any

> problem with the

> natural hormone changes they are approaching (boy,

> isn't this going

> to be an exciting time!). I also have more

> difficulties with monthly

> hormone fluctuations as it is so don't want to add

> to that.

>

> .

>

>

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Bell

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[Guest guest]

Hello :

I've been on the list for over a year and have been chelating my oldest

son (10 yo). I've never seen it stated that melatonin is a must. I've

seen it mentioned in relation to sleep problems only and in some cases

children can not tolerate it, sooooooooo.

If you child has trouble sleeping it is one method that can be tried to

help but it is not needed for chelation.

This is just what I've read on this group.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:20:29 +1200 " Tim Rountree "

<rountree.t & m@...> writes:

Hi,

I have searched the archives, but found looking for the answer to my

question like searching for a needle in a haystack!

When chelating is melatonin needed to protect the brain from mercury? or

is

it possible to chelate safely without using melatonin?

thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi, !

I have never, never heard of any child not tolerating Melatonin. I have heard

some parents say that it didn't work for their child or that their child still

woke up in the middle of the night. To those parents I say, use higher doses

and try time-release Melatonin. Melatonin has tons of health benefits, as does

sleep (especially the parents' sleep!!!).

Re: [ ] melatonin

Hello :

I've been on the list for over a year and have been chelating my oldest

son (10 yo). I've never seen it stated that melatonin is a must. I've

seen it mentioned in relation to sleep problems only and in some cases

children can not tolerate it, sooooooooo.

If you child has trouble sleeping it is one method that can be tried to

help but it is not needed for chelation.

This is just what I've read on this group.

In Christ's love and mine...Jen : )

On Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:20:29 +1200 " Tim Rountree "

<rountree.t & m@...> writes:

Hi,

I have searched the archives, but found looking for the answer to my

question like searching for a needle in a haystack!

When chelating is melatonin needed to protect the brain from mercury? or

is

it possible to chelate safely without using melatonin?

thanks

[Guest guest]

it is a chelator. it is not necessary to use during chelation but helps

remove toxins.

karen

[Guest guest]

There is no prescription needed and it is available, Pharmaceutical Grade,

readily

WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION

[ ] Re: Melatonin

>

> > Why are none of you using Tryptophan, to help with Sleep and

> Melatonin Production?

>

> Because the FDA is still busy making things like tryptophan

> prescription only instead of being hauled into the doc for crimes

> against humanity. Most people here are having a hard time getting a

> doc to do anything reasonable, much less being able to get one to Rx

> tryptophan.

> >

> > for your kids, as well as adults and grandparents...it works for

> all.

>

> So does melatonin.

>

> Andy

>

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[Guest guest]

> Why are none of you using Tryptophan, to help with Sleep and

Melatonin Production?

Because the FDA is still busy making things like tryptophan

prescription only instead of being hauled into the doc for crimes

against humanity. Most people here are having a hard time getting a

doc to do anything reasonable, much less being able to get one to Rx

tryptophan.

>

> for your kids, as well as adults and grandparents...it works for

all.

So does melatonin.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

We did purchase tryptophan under the guise of Hp5t ( I think) It does not put my

son to sleep, it does however mellow him out to the point where his attention

improves...but yes, it is OTC-Shari

[ ] Re: Melatonin

>

> > Why are none of you using Tryptophan, to help with Sleep and

> Melatonin Production?

>

> Because the FDA is still busy making things like tryptophan

> prescription only instead of being hauled into the doc for crimes

> against humanity. Most people here are having a hard time getting a

> doc to do anything reasonable, much less being able to get one to Rx

> tryptophan.

> >

> > for your kids, as well as adults and grandparents...it works for

> all.

>

> So does melatonin.

>

> Andy

>

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> q2

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[Guest guest]

> There is no prescription needed and it is available, Pharmaceutical

Grade,

> readily

> WITHOUT PRESCRIPTION

Please post details. This isn't a theoretical discussion, people here

have to know how to get it if it is going to do them some good.

Andy

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/21/02 11:44:38 PM Pacific Standard Time,

dolphi@... writes:

>

> Why are none of you using Tryptophan, to help with Sleep and Melatonin

> Production?

>

>

because it is illegal to purchase it in the US.

[Guest guest]

I have many clients who purchase it legally in the US, pharmaceutical grade,

and have it shipped directly to their door, and use it successfully.

There is a big difference between Tryptophan and 5 HTP,,,don't be fooled..

Currently I'm in a remote, isolated area and communications are difficult,

and I don't have access to my office files.

When I get back to my office on Monday, I'll post all the necessary

information so you can make the choices you deserve, and get the results you

seek.

> > Why are none of you using Tryptophan, to help with Sleep and Melatonin

> > Production?

> because it is illegal to purchase it in the US.

[Guest guest]

At 07:49 AM 3/22/2002 EST, you wrote:

>it is a chelator. it is not necessary to use during chelation but helps

>remove toxins.

>karen

melatonin is used to help regulate sleep. usually people

use it for insomnia.

Moria

[Guest guest]

,

Did your doctor give a reason about not using the magnesium? I give it all the

time when

we chelate our son, 5 rounds w/ DMSA so far.

Thank you,

Jill

nandan11566 wrote:

> Hi,

> I am about to start chelating my son this weekend. My doctor gave

> me a list of subs to give while on dsma. One of them was melatonin

> but he also said not to give magnesium while chelating. The melatonin

> I have also has magnesium in it. Is this ok to use? I'm waiting for

> my doc to get back to me but it's getting close to Friday and I

> haven't heard from him. Thanks for your help...

>

>

> =======================================================

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Jill,

He didn't give me a reason. He gave me a handout about chelation

and one of the points says " Do not give the Nu-Thera and magnesium on

the days your child is getting the DMSA " I don't know why but will

ask if he ever gets back to me! This all makes me nervous but I can't

wait to see if it makes a difference. Are you finding any good

changes yet? ...

>

> > Hi,

> > I am about to start chelating my son this weekend. My doctor

gave

> > me a list of subs to give while on dsma. One of them was melatonin

> > but he also said not to give magnesium while chelating. The

melatonin

> > I have also has magnesium in it. Is this ok to use? I'm waiting

for

> > my doc to get back to me but it's getting close to Friday and I

> > haven't heard from him. Thanks for your help...

> >

> >

> > =======================================================

> >

[Guest guest]

When we used melatonin during 's up for five days at a time phase, we

were advised to use it for three weeks on, two weeks off. I was told the

body can begin to build up a " dependence " on it, and can interrupt the bodies

own melatonin production.

Might have been hogwash, lol, but that's what our first doctor told us. We

use it in that fashion, and have always found it effective. Also, I know many

site recommend 3mg per day, but we found 1.5mg worked better.

Liane Gentry Skye

<A HREF= " http://talkingwithpictures.com/ " >Talking With Pictures</A>

" nonverbal " does not have to mean " unable to communicate "

[Guest guest]

Had to respond even though I've not introduced myself and am mainly

reading your board for enzyme info. That said, my son is 29 months

and we have no autism dx. He has some symptoms but they appear to be

mostly related to verbal apraxia. He's blind as well and melatonin is

popular with parents of blind children for sleep. I found the same

thing you mention with it. It worked for a short time and then it

pretty well assured he would wake in the middle of the night. The

best thing I've ever found for sleep here has been the fat

supplements. The first night he got them he slept 10 hours and has

been pretty well since. I recently went thru notes I had on him and

found that from 5 weeks old he was not sleeping more than 8 hours a

day- total, no nap or if he napped I had to subtract that time from

night and 8 hours and could predict his awake time again.

Anyway, hope that helps.

Lynn

Austin 29 months and blind with LCA

> Hello, I have a question on Melatonin, my daughter use to be on it,

> it seemed to work really well in the beginning, then all of a

sudden

> it didnt seem to work well, she would fall asleep after taking the

> pill then she would wake up wide awake 3-4hrs later..So we

eventually

> stopped. She was put on tegretol so it helped with her sleep, but I

> want to take her off the tegretol, but Im worried about her not

> sleeping. Did anyone have a similiar experience with Melatonin?

> What brand is best?? Machaela is now 7 and weighs 51 pds...

> THanks for any help..