Re: Fw: New Recipe Unveiled-Dog

[Guest guest]

Everything in there (except the turkey and

maybe even that since it’s dehydrated, so processed and not raw) is a

potential allergen for dogs. They don’t need any of those grains/carbs.

Your dogs are telling you

something.<G>

Sharyn

P.S. I did my darndest to trim this post,

but it’s way hard!

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health

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My dogs turn

their noses up at this but thought I would send it to those of you who were

discussing your dogs.

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What's

In It?

Keen

is made with Dehydrated USDA Turkey, Organic Oats, Potatoes, Organic Flax,

Carrots, Cabbage, Alfalfa, Organic Kelp, Apples, Honey and Garlic, plus

vitamins and minerals.

One low-gluten grain. No chicken. Minimal vegetables and fruit. All

ingredients are guaranteed 100% human grade

and completely free of by-products, chemical preservatives and fillers.

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[Guest guest]

But it has oats in it. Is that considered a grain to be avoided?

Shari

[Guest guest]

Which ones are potential allergans? I'm curious because I've discovered I don't know squat about a dog's needs or things to be avoided! I know about the grains (oats) but not sure about the other things.

Thanks, Shari

[Guest guest]

All of them, Shari.

Anything that isn’t meat/bones/offal is something that dogs can’t

easily digest (by DNA) and could potentially be an allergen.

Cedar is allergic to chicken (gets yeasty

ears, whether raw or dehydrated/freeze-dried, although I don’t know at

this point if it has to do with organic/non-organic, free-range, etc. or not),

and I don’t feed her anything starchy…no below-ground veggies or

grain carbs at all. She does get veggies from our leftovers (green beans,

broccoli, summer squash, etc.), but not regularly. No potatoes…none of

the other things that were in that dog food. And her meatbones/offal is always

raw.

Sharyn & Cedar the Golden nudge

St. Cassie (at the Bridge, 1988-2000)

From: health

[mailto:health ] On Behalf Of SV

Which ones are potential allergans? I'm curious

because I've discovered I don't know squat about a dog's needs or things to be

avoided! I know about the grains (oats) but not sure about the other

things.

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[Guest guest]

Sharyn, I'm thinking maybe Ziggy is allergic to chicken after reading what you have posted. Do you feed beef? I always thought it was beef he was allergic to, but maybe not. How about turkey? Is the dog who is allergic to chicken also allergic to turkey?

Zig sits and cries in front of the tomato plant he wants 'maters so badly. It is truly pathetic, but funny. I've caught him eating raspberries off the vine, tomatoes off the vine and he pulls the peas off the vine as well. Little stink.

Thanks for all the valuable information - Shari

[Guest guest]

Funny enough, Shari…Cedar

can eat Cornish hens and turkey, just not chicken. I don’t know if it’s

the hormones in the chicken or what. She can eat beef well enough, but I don’t

feed her much of it. Maybe beef ribs and liver, kidney if I find it. I used

to give her oxtail, but she *always*

tosses up a big piece of bone after eating that, so if she’s going to

gulp bones that are too big to digest I won’t give it to her anymore.

(Oh, and I just found a source of beef trachea, so she’s getting them

also.)

As far as the veggies are concerned, if Ziggy

wants them badly enough and can pick them himself, let him have them. I go by

whatever they might find in the wild to scrounge, and certainly above-ground

veggies and fruits fall into that category. I just don’t feed them as a

regular part of the diet.

Sharyn

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Sharyn, I'm thinking maybe Ziggy is allergic to chicken

after reading what you have posted. Do you feed beef? I always

thought it was beef he was allergic to, but maybe not. How about

turkey? Is the dog who is allergic to chicken also allergic to turkey?

Zig sits and cries in front of the tomato plant he wants

'maters so badly. It is truly pathetic, but funny. I've caught him

eating raspberries off the vine, tomatoes off the vine and he pulls the peas

off the vine as well. Little stink.

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[Guest guest]

thats funny. My little girl Minnie loves tomatoes too. her fav is strawberries- she will growl if you try to take it from her.

She also loves sweet potatoes. I bought a bushel of them and found 1/2 eaten ones hidden all over the house.

K

Re: Fw: New Recipe Unveiled-Dog

Sharyn, I'm thinking maybe Ziggy is allergic to chicken after reading what you have posted. Do you feed beef? I always thought it was beef he was allergic to, but maybe not. How about turkey? Is the dog who is allergic to chicken also allergic to turkey?

Zig sits and cries in front of the tomato plant he wants 'maters so badly. It is truly pathetic, but funny. I've caught him eating raspberries off the vine, tomatoes off the vine and he pulls the peas off the vine as well. Little stink.

Thanks for all the valuable information - Shari

[Guest guest]

The easiest grain that a dog can digest is

rice, which is placed in all allergen free and digestive dog food formulas.

Janet

From: health

[mailto:health ] On Behalf Of SV

Sent: Wednesday, September 24,

2008 4:10 PM

To:

health

Subject: Re:

Fw: New Recipe Unveiled-Dog

Which ones are potential allergans? I'm curious

because I've discovered I don't know squat about a dog's needs or things to be

avoided! I know about the grains (oats) but not sure about the other

things.

Thanks, Shari

[Guest guest]

ROFL! We had a pug named Rosie for 17

years that absolutely loved tomatoes. She was such a doll. You could just say “tomato?”

and she would just squeal and beg LOL.

Janet

From:

health

[mailto:health ] On Behalf Of SV

Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2008

6:08 AM

To:

health

Subject: Re:

Fw: New Recipe Unveiled-Dog

Sharyn, I'm thinking maybe Ziggy is allergic to chicken

after reading what you have posted. Do you feed beef? I always

thought it was beef he was allergic to, but maybe not. How about

turkey? Is the dog who is allergic to chicken also allergic to turkey?

Zig sits and cries in front of the tomato plant he wants

'maters so badly. It is truly pathetic, but funny. I've caught him

eating raspberries off the vine, tomatoes off the vine and he pulls the peas

off the vine as well. Little stink.

Thanks for all the valuable information - Shari

[Guest guest]

Really? I've had three different dogs (unrelated) highly allergic to it.

Ev

The easiest grain that a dog can digest is rice, which is placed in all allergen free and digestive dog food formulas.

Janet

[Guest guest]

No dog needs grains. Their digestive

systems aren’t equipped to handle them.

Sharyn

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Really? I've had three different dogs (unrelated)

highly allergic to it.

The easiest grain that a dog can digest is

rice, which is placed in all allergen free and digestive dog food formulas.

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YOU know that, and *I* know that, but not everyone else has had the same learning experiences that would eventually bring them around to that understanding.

It took me a while, butting my head against what I was told by ALL the vets vs what my dogs' bodies (and reactions to the expen$ive "prescription"-type commercial foods) were telling me.

Ultimately, the dogs won out. Whereas my own diet could use some improvements (but not so many as before!) - my dogs eat like Nature intended. The vets can think whatever they like.

Ev

No dog needs grains. Their digestive systems aren’t equipped to handle them.

Sharyn

[Guest guest]

I have never had a problem with our dogs and grain. We don't

necessarily give them wheat, but they do get rice and oat. Their

Staple diet is Chicken Soup for the Dog and lucky for us it works.

Many of their treats are oat based.

Sadly, there is no way i could afford to feed them chicken and such

daily - heck, i cant afford that for myself!

I am fairly attentive though about anyone giving them table scraps

that are not meat or cooked veggie. the exception is the occasional

bit of left over salad, but no bread or pasta!

What i am wondering about though is the green mix i give them; it does

have a little wheat grass in it? Mostly spirulina and chlorella - very

similar to the Super green mix.

Syl

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> No dog needs grains. Their digestive systems aren't equipped to handle

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> Sharyn

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> Really? I've had three different dogs (unrelated) highly allergic

to it.

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> The easiest grain that a dog can digest is rice, which is placed in all

> allergen free and digestive dog food formulas.

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[Guest guest]

Oh yeah, I let him have whatever he can pick. He's short so he doesn't get all the good stuff!

I might try game hens again. He seemed to like crunching them up. I can't seem to find organic, do you buy organic hens?

Shari