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Whoa.

God is not always brought into the topics.. and certainly it is not always being rammed down "our " throats on this list.. This group does not express opinions or push their beliefs (and I know there are alot of different religions on this list) onto others... However, this is a site that believes in many forms of healing... and in amongst the herbs, and oils, homeopathies, etc is the healing that comes from energy (i.e. healing with the hands).. etc.. we do not rule out that there is a spiritual healing that works just like herbs and oils.

Whether you believe or not is your choice, as it is with anyone on this list. but the statement made was just that.. it was not being rammed down anyone's throat. It was not a sermon...If the statement had been made 'Yes, EVOLUTION or SCIENCE fearfully and wonderfully made us even if we are somewhat Im-perfect it's still a miracle.... someone would probably be upset over that too Let's agree to disagree and move on and not fret over the little things... This group only one time got into a heated debate on religion -- my mods will tell you.. it didn't last long and neither did they.. We are here to learn about healing, health, in non-pharmacutical ways.

(and yes to those members who emailed me.. i was responding as your emails came in)

Suzi

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From: Greg <gkw12954@...>health Sent: Fri, April 30, 2010 1:38:06 PMSubject: Re: Fw: Cayenne

Why does someone always have to bring God into the topics. Always trying to ram God down our throats. I believe God might exist and then again he might not. That's just my scientific logical mind working. I hope he does, that's the way I was brought up. Then I became scientific. Lets keep religion to ourselves please.. Greg

From: evelyn bailey <autumn3scorpio@ msn.com>Subject: RE: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] Fw: Cayennehawk_health_ awarenessDate: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:35 AM

But ... if it helps increase circulation, how does it help STOP bleeding??? I don't understand the mechanics in that.Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

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Suzi, I'm sorry, Since Dr.Ben is a Christian I just thought it would be ok to say this, I won't SAY ANYTHING AGAIN.

I don't care if you hate me

God Still loves me

I can't wait to go home.

-- RE: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] Fw: Cayennehawk_health_ awarenessDate: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:35 AM

But ... if it helps increase circulation, how does it help STOP bleeding??? I don't understand the mechanics in that.Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

[Guest guest]

Unfortunately, sometimes it does and that's when we're in trouble. Chug the Cayenne everyone!!

Lynn

From: webriter

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 2:04 PM

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Subject: RE: Fw: Cayenne

That's what's supposed to happen, no clots in blood vessels.

I don't care if you hate me

God Still loves me

I can't wait to go home.

-- RE: Fw: Cayenne Date: Friday, April 30, 2010, 9:35 AM

But ... if it helps increase circulation, how does it help STOP bleeding??? I don't understand the mechanics in that.Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

[Guest guest]

From: evelyn bailey

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 4:03 PM

Subject: RE: Fw: Cayenne

Usually the clotting factors will activate when the air hits them or when the blood stops circulating. It really has no where to circulate when it's out of the body and it's not so warm either. ~~~~Hah! Here, in June? I'd have to be running a fever to be so warm inside as it may be outside!

Lynn: It doesn't matter, the blood is hitting the air and that in and of itself will clot it and dry it.

Blood needs warmth, motion and no air to stay in liquid form. Not only that, but if the bleeding is from an open wound to the body like a cut or stab wound, the body rushes the white cells and clotting factors to the site of the wound to help clot it and start the healing process of the wound. ~~~~~Well, right - white cells and allies, sure. But when I was having some ~major~ work done in my mouth, I quit taking any herbals, at least two weeks before the procedure, that might have circulatory enhancing properties, since those tend to increase bleeding, as well.

Lynn: Actually they do not "increase" bleeding. They "decrease" clotting. There is a difference. The difference is, the blood will still flow as it normally does, but will not stop flowing as soon, since the clotting factors have been slowed by the action of the cayenne or any type of anticoagulant. So the blood does not increase it's flow. It just takes longer for it to clot.

I always found it fascinating how the body just "knows" what to do at any given time, without our control. Such a beautiful machine.~~~~~Know what *I* really like? That if you open the right "doors" in your mind, you can take control of the autonomous functions!Ain't that a rock around the block?!!

Lynn: Well it can be done to a point. Most people have no clue as to how to do something like that. I know a group of monks that do this regularly and it takes them years to learn it from childhood on into their teens. They can control body heat, heart rate, blood pressure and so they can sit out side in the middle of winter in wet clothes in a cave for the night and they'll be fine, and their clothes will be dry by morning and their bodies still warm. Their clothes being dried by their body heat alone. Yeah that definitely rocks!!

Beannachtai

Lynn

Beautiful, amazing, phenomenal 'chinery. Don't you just adore watching gymnasts, figure skaters, dancers, toddlers.....?Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

Lynn_._,___

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Lynn: Actually they do not "increase" bleeding. They "decrease" clotting. There is a difference. The difference is, the blood will still flow as it normally does, but will not stop flowing as soon, since the clotting factors have been slowed by the action of the cayenne or any type of anticoagulant. So the blood does not increase it's flow. It just takes longer for it to clot.~~~~~I happily concede your more accurate wording - HOWEVER - if the clotting factors are slowed by cayenne, also, then how does it have styptic properties??? Cauterizing by burning, perhaps?THIS is my question! This is the source of my original confusion!

Lynn: Well it can be done to a point. Most people have no clue as to how to do something like that. I know a group of monks that do this regularly and it takes them years to learn it from childhood on into their teens. ~~~~ Ahhh, well. My own belief is that it can be done to ANY point, IF the subconscious is not opposed to joining in the fun!But, yeah, very few of us have had anything but contrariwise training, and those walls can be stubborn about coming down, particularly in our society.Curiouser and curiouser, ain't it?!Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

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From: evelyn bailey

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 3:48 PM

Subject: RE: Fw: Cayenne

Okay - weird. I try to clean up another post to respond, and it takes even the part I wanted. Technology! Can't live with it, can't bash it with a hammer...

Lynn: I hate when that happens.

Alrighty, then, so - back to class. Were you (whoever, sorry) saying that if there is a breach in the outer containment device (!!), circulation shuts down while bleeding to the outside of the body commences? That seems radical. Wouldn't our hearts then be pumping, well, obviously not air, but ... empty? Because our hearts don't stop unless we do, literally, bleed out and die.

Lynn: Oh dear me "no", that's not what I was saying at all. What I said was, when there is a cut, or as we say in the medical field, an "insult", to the body or opening of the skin, the blood will flow out until enough of the clotting factors have accumulated and the white cells have gathered at the site of the insult to begin the swelling effect. Swelling is one of the first steps in healing and it can help to close off some of the tiny vessels in the skin to help them stop the blood flow. This will eventually stop the wound from bleeding if it's not too big. Otherwise stitches are a good idea. Once the blood is outside the body, the air and the lack of enough heat and circulation will clot it and dry it. If the blood is not moving it will clot.

Mind you, I'm not attempting to be deliberately obtuse about styptic reactions - I've used a styptic "pencil", and certainly I'm grateful that the body has responses that staunch the flow. (Yikes! Man or woman - shaving would become a new sort of "Russian Roulette", and Evie would be a semi-hairy beastie)!! I just am not grasping how a substance that increases circulation can manage to staunch flow, as well! Sounds contradictory, is all.

Lynn: Yes, I understand. I don't know how cayenne does both either. It could perhaps be, that it has more than one mechanism of action, and the body uses the one it needs at the time it is taken. I wish I could be more sure for you, but as it is, I know more about the body and how it works than I do about how the herbs work on it. Hope this helps.

Lynn

But I repeat - nifty that it's so! Living in New Mexico, I'll be presumptuous enough to use the pronoun "we" - We like to hear grand things about chilies, all sorts of them!Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

[Guest guest]

From: evelyn bailey

Sent: Friday, April 30, 2010 6:51 PM

Subject: RE: Fw: Cayenne

Lynn: Actually they do not "increase" bleeding. They "decrease" clotting. There is a difference. The difference is, the blood will still flow as it normally does, but will not stop flowing as soon, since the clotting factors have been slowed by the action of the cayenne or any type of anticoagulant. So the blood does not increase it's flow. It just takes longer for it to clot.~~~~~I happily concede your more accurate wording - HOWEVER - if the clotting factors are slowed by cayenne, also, then how does it have styptic properties??? Cauterizing by burning, perhaps?THIS is my question! This is the source of my original confusion!

Lynn: That's what most folks here, myself included, are unsure about. As I stated in an earlier post I'm not sure how cayenne does both. It may have more than one mechanism of action (as many drugs do as well) and the body uses the one it needs most at the time. Or, one may be the main action and the other may be the side effect of the chemical constituents of that plant. Many drugs are given, not for what their original purpose is, but for the "side effect" of that drug. It may work the same way with herbs. Considering that most of our modern drugs come from plants and herbs, I don't think that's too far fetched of an idea. I could be wrong though. lol

Lynn

Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

[Guest guest]

Boy am I out of the loop!! Sorry about that, everyone! I'm preparing

my final for Political Science, 25 typewritten pages on the

Afghanistan war.

Anyway, speaking as a minister, as a Christian who follows Reformed

Doctrine, I agree with Suzi.

Some of us do tend to get a bit intense about what we believe and why,

and a great deal of it does include natural methods of healing.

But there are times when we agree to disagree. And that's okay!.

Remember that we are family. And as family, we don't always agree, but

we do our best to respect each other (not like my  real family).

I love this group, and see it's individuality. We are unique. I'd love

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>  God is not always brought into the topics.. and certainly it is not always

being rammed down " our " throats on this list..  This group does not express

opinions or push their beliefs (and I know there are alot of different religions

on this list) onto others... However, this is a site that believes in many forms

of healing... and in amongst the herbs, and oils, homeopathies, etc is

the healing that comes from energy (i.e. healing with the hands).. etc.. we do

not rule out that there is a spiritual healing that works just like herbs

and oils.

> Whether you believe or not is your choice, as it is with anyone on this list. 

but the statement made was just that.. it was not being rammed down anyone's

throat. It was not a sermon...If the statement had been made 'Yes, EVOLUTION or

SCIENCE fearfully and wonderfully made us even if we are somewhat Im-perfect

it's still a miracle.... someone would probably be upset over that too  Let's

agree to disagree and move on and not fret over the little things... This group

only one time got into a heated debate on religion  -- my mods will tell you..

it didn't last long and neither did they.. We are here to learn about healing,

health, in non-pharmacutical ways.

>

> (and yes to those members who emailed me.. i was responding as your emails

came in)

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>    Suzi

> List Owner

> health

> What is a weed?  A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered

[Guest guest]

So far, I am leaning to the belief that it does what it does because it

increases blood flow.

Increased blood flow increases brain function and brain health/healing. It also

causes more platelettes to form causing clots.

I'm still learning, though, from everyone here.

Peace, love, laughter

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There is a difference. The difference is, the blood will still flow as it

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have been slowed by the action of the cayenne or any type of anticoagulant. So

the blood does not increase it's flow. It just takes longer for it to clot.

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than one mechanism of action (as many drugs do as well) and the body uses the

one it needs most at the time. Or, one may be the main action and the other

may be the side effect of the chemical constituents of that plant. Many drugs

are given, not for what their original purpose is, but for the " side effect " of

that drug. It may work the same way with herbs. Considering that most of our

modern drugs come from plants and herbs, I don't think that's too far fetched of

an idea. I could be wrong though. lol

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Thought someone would think of this. However, probably the next posting

has this on there.LOL

Cayenne peppers decrease the bleeding. Not sure exactly how that

happens. However, circulation isn't always about bleeding. Increasing

circulation just means that the blood vessels get back to where they

used to be in size.

Mexicans who eat a preponderance of hot peppers, tend to have fewer

heart ailments. This means better cholesterol, less clotting problems in

the blood vessels and the like. Less clotting problems also means that

you have less chance of blood clots in the brain.

One other benefit to eating hot peppers is the help for a lot of other

ailments we have. Ulcers used to be thought were caused by stress. When

in fact, most ulcers are caused by a bacteria, I think it is. The hot

peppers I'm pretty sure change the ph of the stomach and the bad

bacteria don't stick around.

I know I started eating crushed red peppers on my pizza. Not talking

about a pinch scattered over a large pizza, but spreading it on the top.

My cholesterol plummeted from around way too high to under 200 in a

period of 3-4 months. Sounds better than eating oatmeal or cheerios,

doesn't it? That is, if you can stand the hot peppers.

As for inflammation. Hot pepper is rubbed on say a knee, muscle or other

hurting area, may help inflammation. I mean it does sometimes and other

times have no effect.

Bill

Ybarra wrote:

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H. Pylori? The stomach bacteria involved in peptic ulcers?

Using hot peppers by rubbing on the skin- it is the capsaisin creating heat in the muscle, increasing blood flow and causing it to wash away bruising or at least increasing healing?

~Katy

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God Still loves me

I can't wait to go home.

-- Re: Fw: Cayenne

Thought someone would think of this. However, probably the next posting has this on there.LOLCayenne peppers decrease the bleeding. Not sure exactly how that happens. However, circulation isn't always about bleeding. Increasing circulation just means that the blood vessels get back to where they used to be in size.Mexicans who eat a preponderance of hot peppers, tend to have fewer heart ailments. This means better cholesterol, less clotting problems in the blood vessels and the like. Less clotting problems also means that you have less chance of blood clots in the brain.One other benefit to eating hot peppers is the help for a lot of other ailments we have. Ulcers used to be thought were caused by stress. When in fact, most ulcers are caused by a bacteria, I think it is. The hot peppers I'm pretty sure change the ph of the stomach and the bad bacteria don't stick around.I know I started eating crushed red peppers on my pizza. Not talking about a pinch scattered over a large pizza, but spreading it on the top. My cholesterol plummeted from around way too high to under 200 in a period of 3-4 months. Sounds better than eating oatmeal or cheerios, doesn't it? That is, if you can stand the hot peppers.As for inflammation. Hot pepper is rubbed on say a knee, muscle or other hurting area, may help inflammation. I mean it does sometimes and other times have no effect.Bill Ybarra wrote:> And for ulcers! I just don't get it. I accept it, but don't get it.> > Peace, love, laughter>

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No, it all helps and I appreciate the time and thought going into your replies! Multi-tasking herbs - yeah, that sounds about right.Everybody can multitask, except me. Poo. Anybody ever watch the TV show M*A*S*H? Remember Emerson Winchester (the third)? "I do ONE thing, I do it very well, and then I move on."Okay, so, "very well" may be a bit of a stretch sometimes....Another post pointing out that increased circulation doesn't always have to do with blood flow, but maybe with getting the blood vessels back to a healthy, robust SIZE was likewise VERY helpful to my pea-brain! Nice point. I've possibly heard that somewhere before, but had utterly forgotten if I have, and so never thought to include it in the calculation.Thanks, all! Fun discussion!Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

Lynn: Yes, I understand. I don't know how cayenne does both either. It could perhaps be, that it has more than one mechanism of action, and the body uses the one it needs at the time it is taken. I wish I could be more sure for you, but as it is, I know more about the body and how it works than I do about how the herbs work on it. Hope this helps.

Lynn

[Guest guest]

Doing one thing well is awesome, some of us crazies [ok, I'm talking about myself here] can't live without doing at least 6 things at once. Imagine my chagrin in the bathroom, where only one activity can be successfully achieved?

I don't care if you hate me

God Still loves me

I can't wait to go home.

-- RE: Fw: Cayenne

No, it all helps and I appreciate the time and thought going into your replies! Multi-tasking herbs - yeah, that sounds about right.Everybody can multitask, except me. Poo. Anybody ever watch the TV show M*A*S*H? Remember Emerson Winchester (the third)? "I do ONE thing, I do it very well, and then I move on."Okay, so, "very well" may be a bit of a stretch sometimes....Another post pointing out that increased circulation doesn't always have to do with blood flow, but maybe with getting the blood vessels back to a healthy, robust SIZE was likewise VERY helpful to my pea-brain! Nice point. I've possibly heard that somewhere before, but had utterly forgotten if I have, and so never thought to include it in the calculation.Thanks, all! Fun discussion!Ev"A hundred million miracles are happening every day!"

Lynn: Yes, I understand. I don't know how cayenne does both either. It could perhaps be, that it has more than one mechanism of action, and the body uses the one it needs at the time it is taken. I wish I could be more sure for you, but as it is, I know more about the body and how it works than I do about how the herbs work on it. Hope this helps.

Lynn