Re: collodial silver (risky?)

[Guest guest]

this is the first time i've ever heard of cs, and my first reaction

was concern of metallic toxicity... i'm gonna look further into this,

but this was one site that came up when i did a search for

dangers/risks of cs:'

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

kinda scary when considering the ingestion of items that are not

organic natural...

Kelvin

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM, SV <shavig@...> wrote:

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> Isn't there something to watch for when buying cs?  I remember there was a

> problem with people actually turning silver and the formula was changed?  Or

> was it the method of making it changed?

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> I guess I'm asking if I were to buy it who would I trust?

>

> Shari

[Guest guest]

Yes they present a lot of negatives. I don't use much internally. Mostly

because I feel healthy and don't need a substitute for antibiotics. I did

clear up a persistent sinus infection with it. And it is great on any

external problems.

Gayla

Re: collodial silver (risky?)

this is the first time i've ever heard of cs, and my first reaction

was concern of metallic toxicity... i'm gonna look further into this,

but this was one site that came up when i did a search for

dangers/risks of cs:'

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

kinda scary when considering the ingestion of items that are not

organic natural...

Kelvin

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 7:37 PM, SV <shavig@...> wrote:

>

>

> Isn't there something to watch for when buying cs? I remember there was a

> problem with people actually turning silver and the formula was changed?

> Or

> was it the method of making it changed?

>

> I guess I'm asking if I were to buy it who would I trust?

>

> Shari

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[Guest guest]

Big Drug Companies Fund Groups Behind Plot to Regulate Nano-Silver

http://www.colloidalsilversecrets.blogspot.comApril 25, 2009

Big Drug Companies Fund Groups Behind Plot to Regulate Nano-Silver

Our good friend Tony Isaacs, author, investigative journalist and well-known natural health advocate has discovered what may well be the smoking gun in the campaign by radical environmental groups to have the EPA start regulating products containing silver nano-particles – including dietary colloidal silver products – as "pesticides."

See his brilliant article below to learn how the big drug companies have for years been funding some of the very same environmental groups now responsible for the petition to have silver nano-particles regulated.

As we stated in our previous blog post, "The environmental groups behind the petition to regulate silver particles as ‘pesticides’ get the bulk of their funding, to the tune of millions of dollars a year, from donations from corporate and individual sponsors, as well as from government grants. Our best guess is that Big Pharma is funding these groups through one or more surreptitious pathways to pursue this avenue of silver regulation. After all, who stands to benefit more than Big Pharma from restricting silver’s availability to the general public?"

Boy did we hit the nail on the head. It now turns out that at least two big drug companies -- Merck and Pfiizer -- have for many years been using their own foundations to pour tens of thousands of dollars, and in some cases even millions of dollars worth of funding into some of the very environmental groups now actively engaged in promoting the petition to have "nano-silver" regulated as "pesticides."

Be sure to note the section in Tony's article below on the Tides Foundation and Tides Center. These are non-profit groups which apparently have been set up to allow Big Pharma and other donors to secretly fund groups the donors don't want the public to know they are funding.

We’ll let Tony’s article speak for itself. Keep in mind, however, that his article only demonstrates that a number of the environmental groups behind the petition to have silver regulated as a "pesticide" have indeed received huge amounts of funding from big drug companies. We will leave it up to you to decide if this massive funding of environmental groups by the major drug companies is what's behind the environmentalist's campaign to put silver nano-particles -- including dietary colloidal silver -- under the EPA's regulatory thumb.

-- SpencerMerck, other Pharma Companies Funding Activist Groups behind the EPA Petition to Regulate Silverby Tony IsaacsRecently it was revealed that a handful of the activist agencies behind the petition to the EPA to regulate nano-silver as a pesticide have received funding from pharmaceutical giant Merck, which annually has hundreds of billions of dollars in profits from patented antibiotics which many believe are less effective, less safe and far more expensive than colloidal nano-silver products.Now, further investigation has discovered that the initial revelations may just be the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Merck and other pharmaceutical companies' funding of the groups who support the EPA petition.The actual source of the funding that was first revealed in emails and colloidal silver blogsites was the Merck Fund was set up in 1970 by Serena Merck, the widow of Merck Pharmaceuticals CEO W. Merck, in honor of their short-lived son .The recipients of funding who are signees on the petition to the EPA were identified as:Funding To Activist Groups, Total Donated, Time FrameCenter for Food Safety $1,305,000.00 1999 – 2005Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy $490,000.00 1992 – 2003International Center for Technology Assessment $247,500.00 1999 – 1999Consumers Union of the United States $90,000.00 2000 – 2001Greenpeace $80,000.00 2000 – 2002Friends of the Earth $45,000.00 1992 – 2000The Center for Food Safety (CFS) which along with its sister organization the International Center for Technology Assessment (ICTA), initiated the EPA petition and enlisted the other groups which signed off on the petition, received the second largest amount of funding of any group from the Merck Fund -- second only to the huge total of the Tides Center/Tides Foundation, whose total funding of almost $2.7 Million dwarfs the combined total of $1.75 Million given to the CFS and the ICTA and CFS.Tides Foundation & Tides Center $2,693,000.00 1989 – 2005http://www.activistcash.com/foundation.cfm?did=138As it turns out, the top funding recipient Tides Foundation and Tides Center are also actively involved in the petition to regulate silver, as well as the source of funding and support to several of the other groups who signed the EPA petition.When one goes to the Tides Center website, their position is apparent to one and all with the posting of a press release urging support of the EPA petition:http://www.tidescenter.org/news-resources/news-releases/single-press-release/article/epa-petitioned-to-stop-sale-of-260-products-containing-nanosilver/index.htmlInformation on Tides Center's website and other web searches found the following Tides Center/Tides Foundation connections to groups involved in the nanosilver petition, but who are not listed as Merck funding recipients:• Center for Environmental Health (a project of the Tides Center)• Institute for Agriculture and Trade Policy (previous funding and connections with the Tides Foundation)• Clean Production Action (a Tides Center project)• Food and Water Watch (receives donations from the Tides Foundation)• The Loka Institute (has no current offices but was previously provided office space and a mailbox in Washington. DC by the International Center for Technology Assessment in their offices)In addition, a $200,000 grant for 2006-2007 from a second Merck Foundation, the Merck Family Fund to another petitioner, Silicon Valley Toxics Coalition, was discovered.A quick internet search reveals that Merck is not the only pharmaceutical company which provides funding to the Tides Foundation and Tides Center, as this listing of the top funding recipient from the Pfizer Foundation demonstrates:Funding To Activist Groups, Total Donated, Time FrameTides Foundation & Tides Center $300,000.00 2003 – 2004The Tides Foundation is described by Activistcash.com as quickly becoming "the 800 pound gorilla for activist funding."As reported on ActivistCash:The Tides foundation was established in 1976 by California activist Drummond Pike. Tides does two things better than any other foundation or charity in the U.S. today: it routinely obscures the sources of its tax-exempt millions, and makes it difficult (if not impossible) to discern how the funds are actually being used.In practice, “Tides” behaves less like a philanthropy than a money-laundering enterprise (apologies to Procter & Gamble), taking money from other foundations and spending it as the donor requires. Called donor-advised giving, this pass-through funding vehicle provides public-relations insulation for the money’s original donors. By using Tides to funnel its capital, a large public charity can indirectly fund a project with which it would prefer not to be directly identified in public. Drummond Pike has reinforced this view, telling The Chronicle of Philanthropy: “Anonymity is very important to most of the people we work with.”Due to the efforts of many foundations to keep their funding activities anonymous, it is difficult to determine the true scope of pharmaceutical company funding for the Tides group as well as the individual activist groups.Given the information outlined above, one can only wonder what other pharmaceutical funding is linked to these groups and shudder to think of how many activist groups have been corrupted by funding from Big Pharma and other companies with agendas that are anything but in the public interest.It is easy to see how such subterfuge can corrupt decision making, the same as can paid lobbyists and political funding. Obviously it would be in the distinct public interest to require full disclosure of funding sources for every organization which petitions a government agency or legislative body to see where there might be funding sources who would stand to benefit as a result of the desired action or legislation.Similarly, it would also be in the public interest to require full details of all the activities and efforts of lobbyists, including expenses and the details of each meeting held by lobbyists with government officials. While we are at it, we would also be a better informed and better served citizenry if every elected official’s vote on any measure included donations and links to any companies or other entities affected by such legislation.Granted, such reforms are a tall order, but until we see such altruistic change all the talk about true transparency in government is merely lip service - and the words from our own lips will continue to have little chance of reaching those whose ears are captured by the special interests who have bought off and otherwise rigged the process in their favor.See Also: "Action Alert: Stop EPA from Eliminating Access to Colloidal Silver"Notes:The complete list of groups who signed the petition to the EPA is:The International Center for Technology AssessmentThe Center for Food Safety (the sister organization of the CTA)Beyond PesticidesFriends of the EarthGreenpeaceETC GroupCenter for Environmental HealthSilicon Valley Toxics CoalitionInstitute for Agriculture and Trade PolicyClean Production ActionFood and Water WatchThe Loka InstituteThe Center for Study of Responsive Law, and Consumers UnionSources included:http://www.silvermedicine.org/nano-silver.htmlhttp://www.activistcash.com/http://www.tidescenter.org/

Important

[Guest guest]

another question that has come up about ingesting cs is how do we know

the inorganic materials we ingest do not go straight to our liver?

how would the silver (or the body know what to do with the silver) get

to the site of our body to be healed or that needs attention? is it

by fully immersing ourselves with this cs that the silver will

eventually cover the affected area? so far i'm reading about topical

uses that the medical field has explored and used so far:

http://premium.cnn.com/2007/US/03/19/silver/index.html

even silver lined pj's for hospitals...

thanks for the feedback so far!

Kelvin

On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

> this is the first time i've ever heard of cs, and my first reaction

> was concern of metallic toxicity... i'm gonna look further into this,

> but this was one site that came up when i did a search for

> dangers/risks of cs:'

>

> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

>

> kinda scary when considering the ingestion of items that are not

> organic natural...

> Kelvin

[Guest guest]

I have no clue how the body knows where to assign silver, or aspirin or

cough medicine, for that matter.

Gayla

Re: collodial silver (risky?)

> another question that has come up about ingesting cs is how do we know

> the inorganic materials we ingest do not go straight to our liver?

> how would the silver (or the body know what to do with the silver) get

> to the site of our body to be healed or that needs attention? is it

> by fully immersing ourselves with this cs that the silver will

> eventually cover the affected area? so far i'm reading about topical

> uses that the medical field has explored and used so far:

> http://premium.cnn.com/2007/US/03/19/silver/index.html

>

> even silver lined pj's for hospitals...

>

> thanks for the feedback so far!

>

> Kelvin

>

>

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> On Sun, Apr 26, 2009 at 8:56 PM, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

>> this is the first time i've ever heard of cs, and my first reaction

>> was concern of metallic toxicity... i'm gonna look further into this,

>> but this was one site that came up when i did a search for

>> dangers/risks of cs:'

>>

>> http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/PhonyAds/silverad.html

>>

>> kinda scary when considering the ingestion of items that are not

>> organic natural...

>> Kelvin

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