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I heard about this on the news..the mom and son ran away I believe but got caught. Didn't et to hear the whole story.

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From: evergreengarden <evergreengarden@...>Subject: Fw: Cancer and Your Health Freedomhealth Date: Friday, May 29, 2009, 1:30 PM

Minnesota Judge Rodenberg forces a 13 year old boy to be poisoned by radiation, against the parents' wishes, because he has cancer, when there perfectly safe alternatives.I don't ask you to believe me, but would you believe this famed hospital? What will it take to get rid of the dysfunctional Judges in this country?---------------------------------- Hopkins UpdateAFTER YEARS OF TELLING PEOPLE CHEMOTHERAPY IS THE ONLY WAY TO TRY ("TRY" BEING THE KEY WORD) TO ELIMINATE CANCER, JOHNS HOPKINS IS FINALLY STARTING TO TELL YOU THERE IS AN ALTERNATIVE WAY.Cancer Update from s Hopkins:1. Every person has cancer cells in the body. These cancer cells do not show up in the standard tests until they have multiplied to a few billion. When doctors tell cancer patients that there are no more cancer cells in their bodies after treatment, it

just means the tests are unable to detect the cancer cells because they have not reached the detectable size.2. Cancer cells occur between 6 to more than 10 times in a person's lifetime.3. When the person's immune system is strong, the cancer cells will be destroyed and prevented from multiplying and forming tumors.4. When a person has cancer, it indicates the person has multiple nutritional deficiencies. These could be due to genetic, environmental, food and lifestyle factors.5. To overcome the multiple nutritional deficiencies, changing diet and including supplements will strengthen the immune system.6. Chemotherapy involves poisoning the rapidly-growing cancer cells and also destroys rapidly-growing healthy cells in the bone marrow, gastrointestinal tract, etc., and can cause organ damage, like liver, kidneys, heart, lungs, etc.7. Radiation, while destroying cancer

cells, also burns, scars, and damages healthy cells, tissues, and organs.8. Initial treatment with chemotherapy and radiation will often reduce tumor size. However, prolonged use of chemotherapy and radiation do NOT result in more tumor destruction.9. When the body has too much toxic burden from chemotherapy and radiation, the immune system is either compromised or destroyed; hence the person can succumb to various kinds of infections and complications.10. Chemotherapy and radiation can cause cancer cells to mutate and become resistant and difficult to destroy. Surgery can also cause cancer cells to spread to other sites.11. An effective way to battle cancer is to starve the cancer cells by not feeding it with the foods it needs to multiply.CANCER CELLS FEED ON:a. Sugar is a cancer-feeder. By cutting off sugar it cuts off one important food supply to the cancer

cells. Sugar substitutes like Stevia, Xylitol, honey, etc., are natural products. Even better natural substitutes would be Manuka honey or molasses, but only in very small amounts. Table salt has a chemical added to make it white in color. A better alternative is Bragg's aminos or sea salt.b. Milk causes the body to produce mucous, especially in the gastro-intestinal tract. Cancer feeds on mucus. By cutting off milk and substituting with unsweetened soy milk, cancer cells are being starved.c. Cancer cells thrive in an acid environment. A meat-based diet is acidic and it is best to eat fish and a little chicken rather than beef or pork. Meat also contains livestock antibiotics, growth hormones, and parasites, which are all harmful, especially to people with cancer.d. A diet made of 80% fresh vegetables and juice, whole grains, seeds, nuts, and a little fruits help put the body into an

alkaline environment. About 20% can be from cooked food including beans. Fresh vegetable juices provide live enzymes that are easily absorbed and reach down to cellular levels within 15 minutes to nourish and enhance growth of healthy cells. To obtain live enzymes for building healthy cells, try and drink fresh vegetable juice (most vegetables including bean sprouts) and eat some raw vegetables two or three times a day. Enzymes are destroyed at temperatures of 104 degrees F (40 degrees C).e. Avoid coffee, tea, and chocolate, which have high caffeine. Green tea is a better alternative and has cancer-fighting properties. Water: best to drink purified or filtered water [reverse osmosis water is best - Moderator] to avoid known toxins and heavy metals in tap water. Distilled water is acidic. Avoid it.f. Meat protein is difficult to digest and requires a lot of digestive enzymes. Undigested meat

remaining in the intestines becomes putrefied and leads to more toxic buildup.g. Cancer cell walls have a tough protein covering. By refraining from, or eating less, meat it frees more enzymes to attack the protein walls of cancer cells and allows the body's killer cells to destroy the cancer cells.Some supplements build up the immune system (IP6, Flor-essence, Essiac, anti-oxidants, vitamins, minerals, EFAs, etc.) to enable the body's own killer cells to destroy cancer cells. Other supplements like vitamin E are known to cause apoptosis, or programmed cell death, the body's normal method of disposing of damaged, unwanted, or unneeded cells.Cancer is a disease of the mind, body, and spirit. A proactive and positive spirit will help the cancer warrior be a survivor. Anger, un-forgiveness, and bitterness put the body into a stressful and acidic environment. Learn to have a loving and

forgiving spirit. Learn to relax and enjoy life.Cancer cells cannot thrive in an oxygenated environment. Daily exercise and deep breathing help to get more oxygen down to the cellular level. Oxygen therapy is another means employed to destroy cancer cells.Some additional precautions:. No plastic containers or plastic wrap in the microwave.. No water bottles in the freezer.----------------------------------s Hopkins has recently sent this out in its newsletters. This information is being circulated at Walter Army Medical Center as well. Dioxin chemicals cause cancer, especially breast cancer. Dioxins are highly poisonous to the cells of our bodies. Don't freeze your plastic bottles with water in them, and do not allow plastic or plastic wrap to come into contact with food in the microwave, as this releases dioxins from the plastic. Recently, Dr.

Fujimoto, Wellness Program Manager at Castle Hospital, was on a TV program to explain this health hazard. He talked about dioxins and how bad they are for us. He said that we should not be heating our food in the microwave using plastic containers. This especially applies to foods that contain fat. He said that the combination of fat, high heat, and plastics releases dioxin into the food and ultimately into the cells of the body. Instead, he recommends using glass, such as Corning Ware, Pyrex, or ceramic containers for heating food. You get the same results, only without the dioxin. So such things as TV dinners, instant ramen and soups, etc., should be removed from the container and heated in something else. Paper isn't bad but you don't know what is in the paper. It's just safer to use tempered glass, Corning Ware, etc. He reminded us that a while ago some of the fast food restaurants moved away from the

foam containers to paper. The dioxin problem is one of the reasons.Also, he pointed out that plastic wrap, such as Saran, is just as dangerous when placed over foods to be cooked in the microwave. As the food is nuked, the high heat causes poisonous toxins to actually melt out of the plastic wrap and drip into the food. Cover food with a paper towel or glass dish instead.This is an article that should be sent to anyone important in your life. ------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I've been following this case pretty closely. It's a tough one, to say the least. It is true that the boy is now receiving treatment, it is not that they "got caught". They came in willingly. Very big difference.

Not being in their shoes, or the shoes of the authorities, I am in no position to place moral or ethical judgments on either side.

It is true that chemo and radiation are toxic, but if administered properly, the negative effects can be mediated.

On the other hand, I'm living testimony that all-natural methods can be literally life saving. But as we all know, they don't work the same for everybody, and sometimes unfortunately don't work at all. The same holds true for allopathic practices.

As I said, I am in no position to make moral or ethical judgments on this issue. But I am in a position to pray that the entire family is healed and made whole again, whatever the method.

As always

Peace, love, laughter

I heard about this on the news..the mom and son ran away I believe but got caught. Didn't et to hear the whole story.Suzi List Owner

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Besides the issue of what healing method is correct to use, is to have the freedom to choose, the freedom to take care of our children according to our philosophy of life. I don't have children, but I would leave the country if necessary, if "authorities" want to force me or my dog to received unwanted treatment. I'm extreme, radical, in reference to choose a natural healing method.

Rena

Re: Fw: Cancer and Your Health Freedom

I've been following this case pretty closely. It's a tough one, to say the least. It is true that the boy is now receiving treatment, it is not that they "got caught". They came in willingly. Very big difference.

Not being in their shoes, or the shoes of the authorities, I am in no position to place moral or ethical judgments on either side.

It is true that chemo and radiation are toxic, but if administered properly, the negative effects can be mediated.

On the other hand, I'm living testimony that all-natural methods can be literally life saving. But as we all know, they don't work the same for everybody, and sometimes unfortunately don't work at all. The same holds true for allopathic practices.

As I said, I am in no position to make moral or ethical judgments on this issue. But I am in a position to pray that the entire family is healed and made whole again, whatever the method.

As always

Peace, love, laughter

I heard about this on the news..the mom and son ran away I believe but got caught. Didn't et to hear the whole story.Suzi List Owner

[Guest guest]

I tend to be the same way. When my liver was failing and I was told I'd need a transplant, I went all natural, aggressively, and turned the issue on it's ear. Even a small scale issue like my breaking my big toe last week, I am handling naturally, and doing well.I'll admit I am playing the Devil's Advocate here, but should one gamble in a case as extreme as this one appears to be? True, the government should keep their paws out, pure and simple. But is it still right for the parents to gamble with their child's life? What is more important to them, their philosophies or their child's life?I honestly cannot say with any absolute certainty what I would do were I in their shoes. I don't think anyone can who hasn't been there.Peace, love, laughterBesides the issue of what healing method is correct to use, is to have the freedom to choose, the freedom to take care of our children according to our philosophy of life. I don't have children, but I would leave the country if necessary, if "authorities" want to force me or my dog to received unwanted treatment. I'm extreme, radical, in reference to choose a natural healing method. Rena Re: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] Fw: Cancer and Your Health FreedomI've been following this case pretty closely. It's a tough one, to say the least. It is true that the boy is now receiving treatment, it is not that they "got caught". They came in willingly. Very big difference. Not being in their shoes, or the shoes of the

authorities, I am in no position to place moral or ethical judgments on either side. It is true that chemo and radiation are toxic, but if administered properly, the negative effects can be mediated. On the other hand, I'm living testimony that all-natural methods can be literally life saving. But as we all know, they don't work the same for everybody, and sometimes unfortunately don't work at all. The same holds true for allopathic practices. As I said, I am in no position to make moral or ethical judgments on this issue. But I am in a position to pray that the entire family is healed and made whole again, whatever the method. As always Peace, love, laughter

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Just wondering what you are doing to treat your broken toe? I woke up with a swollen foot a few days ago and have no idea why. Maybe it's a hairline fracture, but don't have any pain. Really no clue what's going on. Thanks.

Peace on earth.

Cheryl

Re: Fw: Cancer and Your Health Freedom

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Well, the philosophy of life determines what you believe. If I believe that natural healing is the only answer, it doesn't mean that I'm playing with my child's life. All the contrary, I'm fighting for my child's life.

Rena

Re: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] Fw: Cancer and Your Health FreedomI've been following this case pretty closely. It's a tough one, to say the least. It is true that the boy is now receiving treatment, it is not that they "got caught". They came in willingly. Very big difference. Not being in their shoes, or the shoes of the authorities, I am in no position to place moral or ethical judgments on either side. It is true that chemo and radiation are toxic, but if administered properly, the negative effects can be mediated. On the other hand, I'm living testimony that all-natural methods can be literally life saving. But as we all know, they don't work the same for everybody, and sometimes unfortunately don't work at all. The same holds true for allopathic practices. As I said, I am in no position to make moral or ethical judgments on this issue. But I am in a position to pray that the entire family is healed and made whole again, whatever the method. As always Peace, love, laughter

[Guest guest]

I personally tend to see it the other way around. What I believe influences my philosophy. But that's my way of seeing it, with no intent to try to influence anyone else to "see things my way".

As for which path, naturopathic or allopathic, one takes is not, in my personal opinion, so cut and dry. My natural instinct is to avoid allopaths at "all costs". My toe injury is a case in point. I have the training to handle just about any minor medical emergency. Part of my training in the Coast Guard involved EMT certification. Add to that my knowledge and resources for natural methods, I chose to use natural methods for my toe.

However, if I broke my arm, you can bet I'd be at the E. R. getting an X-ray, a cast, and painkillers.

These are my personal choices, made for myself, not made to unduly influence anyone else to make similar choices. We are all on different paths.

Peace, love, laughter

Well, the philosophy of life determines what you believe. If I believe that natural healing is the only answer, it doesn't mean that I'm playing with my child's life. All the contrary, I'm fighting for my child's life. Rena ----- Original Message ----- From: I tend to be the same way. When my liver was failing and I was told I'd need a transplant, I went all natural, aggressively, and turned the issue on it's ear. Even a small scale issue like my breaking my big toe last week, I am handling naturally, and doing well.I'll admit I am playing the Devil's Advocate here, but should one gamble in a case as extreme as this one appears to be? True, the government should keep their paws out, pure and simple. But is it still right for the parents to gamble with their child's life? What is more

important to them, their philosophies or their child's life?I honestly cannot say with any absolute certainty what I would do were I in their shoes. I don't think anyone can who hasn't been there.Peace, love, laughter

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I don't see it as being an issue about natural or mainstream medicine, I see it as a rights violation. We are suppose to live in America. The land of the free, what a bunch of b.s. If I can't decide for myself or my minor child what I want for medical care then it is not a country of freedom.

In case you hadn't noticed your rights are gradually being taken away. Better pay attention folks or you'll wake up in a Hilteresque USA.

Shari

[Guest guest]

this seems to have a similar question of ethics when considering

euthanasia in terms of ones own freedom of choice...

On 5/29/09, SV <shavig@...> wrote:

> I don't see it as being an issue about natural or mainstream medicine, I see

> it as a rights violation. We are suppose to live in America. The land of

> the free, what a bunch of b.s. If I can't decide for myself or my minor

> child what I want for medical care then it is not a country of freedom.

>

> In case you hadn't noticed your rights are gradually being taken away.

> Better pay attention folks or you'll wake up in a Hilteresque USA.

>

> Shari

--

Kelvin

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It is indeed a very fine razor's edge to balance upon. Where does one draw the line? The religious father that feels it necessary to physically punish a child to save his soul? The mother who "heard from God" telling her to drown her babies? A husband keeping his wife "in line"?

When is it appropriate for outsiders to step in and say, "this far and no further"? When harm is being done to another? Or the potential for harm?

I honestly don't know. I sure wish it was black and white, cut and dry. I wish I had the answers.

I don't see it as being an issue about natural or mainstream medicine, I see it as a rights violation. We are suppose to live in America. The land of the free, what a bunch of b.s. If I can't decide for myself or my minor child what I want for medical care then it is not a country of freedom. In case you hadn't noticed your rights are gradually being taken away. Better pay attention folks or you'll wake up in a Hilteresque USA. Shari

[Guest guest]

Indeed

> I don't see it as being an issue about natural or mainstream medicine, I see

> it as a rights violation. We are suppose to live in America. The land of

> the free, what a bunch of b.s. If I can't decide for myself or my minor

> child what I want for medical care then it is not a country of freedom.

>

> In case you hadn't noticed your rights are gradually being taken away.

> Better pay attention folks or you'll wake up in a Hilteresque USA.

>

> Shari

[Guest guest]

"this seems to have a similar question of ethics when consideringeuthanasia in terms of ones own freedom of choice..."

Do you mean I uave a question of ethics and euthanasia or the whole situation? I certainly believe you should have a choice in the matter, no matter what the outcome. I doubt any mother would choose euthanasia for her child, but you never know...........

Shari

[Guest guest]

Just to add my 2 cents' worth - I think the parents were trying to save the kid by not getting harmful therapy. Will the kid die without it? I don't know.

There are workable alternatives to chemo and radiation. From talking with people who have gone through chemo and radiation, #1 many times it does not work, #2 it makes you sick as a dog, #3 it can create more problems that it solves.

I know people who have cured cancer and died from the aftermath.

Gayla

Bob and Gayla Always Enough RanchAcampo, CA

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It is indeed a very fine razor's edge to balance upon. Where does one draw the line? The religious father that feels it necessary to physically punish a child to save his soul? The mother who "heard from God" telling her to drown her babies? A husband keeping his wife "in line"?

When is it appropriate for outsiders to step in and say, "this far and no further"? When harm is being done to another? Or the potential for harm?

I honestly don't know. I sure wish it was black and white, cut and dry. I wish I had the answers.

I don't see it as being an issue about natural or mainstream medicine, I see it as a rights violation. We are suppose to live in America. The land of the free, what a bunch of b.s. If I can't decide for myself or my minor child what I want for medical care then it is not a country of freedom. In case you hadn't noticed your rights are gradually being taken away. Better pay attention folks or you'll wake up in a Hilteresque USA. Shari

[Guest guest]

If it's my own euthanasia, it's my own choice.

At the other extreme, I'm all for Pro-Life, but I'm for Pro-Choice first.

Sharyn

this seems to have a similar question of ethics when considering

euthanasia in terms of ones own freedom of choice...

[Guest guest]

actually, I was wrong. euthanasia is in the same category as choice

to suicide or self mutilation, abuse, etc.

this is more akin to abortion or a case where there is no standing

medical directive and u (a third party) choose the outcome of the

person ur responsible for/to.

On 5/30/09, SV <shavig@...> wrote:

> " this seems to have a similar question of ethics when considering

> euthanasia in terms of ones own freedom of choice... "

>

> Do you mean I uave a question of ethics and euthanasia or the whole

> situation? I certainly believe you should have a choice in the matter, no

> matter what the outcome. I doubt any mother would choose euthanasia for her

> child, but you never know...........

>

> Shari

>

>

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Kelvin

[Guest guest]

btw... no medical directive where the person is incapacitated (ie,

coma, brain dead, etc) for an indifferent period of time and for a

questionable outcome to boot!

about abortion (maybe this shud be under a diff thread), but

technically..isnt pro-choice valuing one life over another? that is

also in the same category as caapital punishment etc. incidentally...

thots?

On 5/30/09, Kelvin <kelvin.internet@...> wrote:

> actually, I was wrong. euthanasia is in the same category as choice

> to suicide or self mutilation, abuse, etc.

>

> this is more akin to abortion or a case where there is no standing

> medical directive and u (a third party) choose the outcome of the

> person ur responsible for/to.

>

>

>

> On 5/30/09, SV <shavig@...> wrote:

>> " this seems to have a similar question of ethics when considering

>> euthanasia in terms of ones own freedom of choice... "

>>

>> Do you mean I uave a question of ethics and euthanasia or the whole

>> situation? I certainly believe you should have a choice in the matter,

>> no

>> matter what the outcome. I doubt any mother would choose euthanasia for

>> her

>> child, but you never know...........

>>

>> Shari

>>

>>

>

>

> --

> Kelvin

>

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Kelvin