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> I plug in the Noise Harvester and the readings go to 122!!

Thanks for that report, Bill!

I've found that if I have a Stetzer meter in one outlet

and then plug in the Noise Harmonizer into a different outlet,

I will see the meter drop on some outlets, and go up on

others. I can't find any specific pattern, as

I've tried plugging the meter into other outlets and

retested.

Last night I had a Noise Harmonizer plugged into a

bedroom outlet, and slept well. That doesn't really

mean much, but it's a good sign that I didn't have

to pull it out of the outlet in the middle of the

night due to a piercing headache...

But I do agree with you, that one shouldn't be too worried

about getting the lowest possible readings on their Stetzer

meters, as strengthening your body against EMF increases

your resistance to this noise, and frankly, noise is everywhere

(my office cubicle typically reads 300 on the Stetzer meter).

And I'm still not sure about what the Stetzer meter is

reading anyway: " rate of change of voltage " . I doubt

that this strictly corresponds with health problems from

EMF...

> The other reason I would not buy one is that I have finally found a

> way out of the problems the MCS and Electrical Fields were causing

> me. My computer, TV, cell phone towers, cell phone, clocks, radios,

> electric line noise etc. no longer bother me.

I'd be interested in the name of the treatment/therapy, etc.

that worked for you... I can Google the rest... :-)

Thanks!

Marc

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Hi All

Quantum Physics tells us that we and every thing around us is

energy. The various things that we touch, use, or ingest are energy

and since it is energy everything has a unique frequency. What is

happening to us is that our bodies are not comfortable with some of

the frequencies we are exposed to. When this happens our bodies

will have some type of a reaction until the offensive item and its

frequency is removed from our energy field.

At this point you have a choice. You can try to isolate and shield

your self from the rest of the world or train your body to accept

the troublesome frequencies and then go on with your life. I

suspect most of the people in this group, who are having a problem

with electric fields, also have allergy problems, as I did. I went

from Hay Fever as a child, to food allergies, MCS, and then

electrical sensitivity. As I progressed along this route the

symptoms also changed.

For years the Hay Fever gave me a runny nose, sneezing, watery eyes,

etc. That was the classic response for that type of allergy. Then my

symptoms started to change. I started to get up at night to make

trips to the bath room. Like six times a night. A doctor told me I

had prostrate problems and I started some Herbs to see if it would

help. The herbs did not help. Then I realized something—when I

went away on a trip I did not get up at night!! Not once!!! I told

this to my doctor and he said I probably did not drink as much water

when I was away! Along the journey I also developed high blood

pressure when I had a reaction to something.

Fortunately, about this time in my life, I discovered NAET.

http://www.naet.com After the second treatment I was able to mow

the lawn without a face mask for the first time in almost 50 years.

I was also treated for a number of other things I was allergic to.

Then I fired my Allergist as I was able to get off of the shots I

had taken for 30 some years. He said I had an instantaneous

remission and he was happy for me.

I taught myself to do NAET because I could not afford all the

treatments that were necessary. I eventually ended up taking ten

courses in energy healing to get rid of my problems.

Along the way it became obvious that the electrical problems with

TV's, computers and computer monitors, cell phones, cell phone

towers, house wiring, the earth's magnetic field etc. could be

treated to stop my body's reaction to the fields and frequencies

that were causing my problem.

I guess many of you will think this is the wildest thing you have

ever read. That means you are attached to Western medicine and your

doctor. If your doctor has done anything to try to help you he

probably tried drugs for the problem. Or he told you it was all in

your head. None of my neighbors had my kind of problems so why

should I?

Despite the fact that some of these things are probably bad for us

they are not going to take down the towers, dig up the power lines,

outlaw electricity, etc. tomorrow. Our option is to learn to live

with it like the majority of the people are already doing and then

work for the changes.

You have my basic story. The general idea of finding the light is

here but there are specifics as to how to get there without

following my long route that was a lot of trial and error.

How many of you will believe all of this or even think about trying

it? I would ask how many of you can carry a cell phone that is on

or sit at a computer or in front of a TV all day and not be bothered

by it. I can and do! This worked for me. Will it work for you? I

do not know. I do know if you do not try something nothing is going

to work.

At this point I should say that I am not a DOCTOR I was an

engineer. I found myself doing this because I wanted my life back!

Bill E

> >

> Hey Bill,

>

> I am really curious to know how you found the " light at the end of

> the tunnel " , I am in need of one desperately. I have tried putting

> about 8 stetzer filters in the room I sleep in--no improvement,

> different vitamins/supplements--slight improvement. And now I

would

> give just about anything to be able to live normally without this

> wretched condition. When I lie in bed I hear a mild persistent

> hissing/buzzing sound that accompanies some form of an electric

> current or frequency that penetrates my head and body. It throws

my

> heart rate off and does anything from keep me awake, to prevent me

> from having any rest in my sleep, to just a horrible feeling of

being

> slowly electricuted.The next day I am just so out of it that I

can't

> think or do anything productive. If you or anyone out there has

> experienced anything similar to this and/or has any advice for a

> remedy it would mean the world to me, or plainly the ability to

live.

> Thanks,

> Seper

>

> > Hi Marc and All,

> >

> > I received my Noise Harvester on Saturday and immediately

started

> to

> > experiment with it. The results were surprising and I decided

they

> > must be wrong, so I tried again on Sunday and had the same type

of

> > results. Same thing again today so what I had for three times

in a

> > row must be correct.

> >

> > This is it:

> > No load on outlet Stetzer meter read 105 Note there are some

> other

> > Stetzer filters in the house on other circuits and maybe even

this

> > one.

> >

> > I plug in the Noise Harvester and the readings go to 122!!

> >

> > I plug in one Stetzer filter and the readings drop to 50.

> >

> > I remove the " NH " and the reading drops to 45.

> >

> > I remove the Stetzer and the reading jumps to 105

> >

> > I use a fluorescent floor lamp in this outlet. It has three

> > ballasts and lamps in it. One ballast is defective and the lamp

> > flickers. I have tried new lamps and the problem is the

ballast!.

> > I turned all three lamps on and the reading was 370.

> >

> > I add the NH to the outlet and the reading drops to 350.

> >

> > I add one Stetzer filter and the reading drops to 175.

> >

> > I add second Stetzer filter and the reading goes to 180.

> >

> > I remove the NH and the reading drops to 155.

> >

> > I turn off the bad ballast in the lamp and the reading drops to

48.

> >

> > I remove one Stetzer and the reading does not change.

> >

> > I add in the NH and the reading does not change

> >

> > I plugged the NH into another outlet where the TV was connected

and

> > the meter reading did drop about 70 points.

> >

> > I suspect there is something to do with the various wave forms

that

> > have to be cancelled.

> >

> > Would I buy another one? No, not when I could get three Stetzer

> for

> > the price of one NH.

> >

> > The other reason I would not buy one is that I have finally

found a

> > way out of the problems the MCS and Electrical Fields were

causing

> > me. My computer, TV, cell phone towers, cell phone, clocks,

> radios,

> > electric line noise etc. no longer bother me. If something does

> > bother me I can eliminate the problem using some Alternative

> > Medicine treatments.

> >

> > If any of you are interested I would be willing to go into it.

I

> > will tell you up front your insurance will probably not pay for

> it.

> > It is not an overnight cure like popping a magic pill and having

> > your problem go away the next day. However, it is possible for

you

> > to learn how to do it yourself with some books that are

available.

> > I have my life back. I can go places, stay in hotels and so on

> > without any real problems. I guess I did find the light at the

end

> > of the tunnel and I believe you most of you could do the same

thing.

> >

> > Bill E

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>Curious as to why (if??) you got the noise harvester

>(ad have stezer-something meter) if you have found it//

Why? Just to see what (if anything) it does.

At home, I'm also concerned about the health of my wife

and pets, who also have to put up with the noise on

the electric lines. ly, I would have just filled

the house with Quantum Products and Springlife Polarizers,

but the cats don't like these items, and to make sure we

know about it, pee all over the carpet and furniture when

I use too many (I've been told that cats *like* bad energy,

but for reason I find that difficult to believe). So I was

thinking that a more conventional approach may be

acceptable to the cats.

Marc

[Guest guest]

> Wonder how the tachyon cube compares to other stuff you attach to the hot

wire.

I gave up the tachyon stuff before they came out with the cube. The

tachyon silica discs never helped me though (and the cats didn't

like these on the fuse box)

Marc

[Guest guest]

That one was not to you,,

I would wanna have you try a freebie-cube if you like, say the word and

refresh memory on addie (you send me that safespace 2 after all and gave this

site.. ) Also for sephyr (that's not how you spell that, but sure woulld like to

fly away on one.. ) And just for a serious contendor (note i have not tried that

cube and do like the tranquilituy of the disk on the f\use box) Hey put that

disk at the fridge maybe, marc??

Just trying to overcome the money-thing

Still ES symptom free, not fear free regrettably, ie unless fear is symptom

not cause.. Oh how many days do you give the cats?? My orthopedi-matress gave me

(or it coincided) a backache for 2 days, then no more). But yeah

catpeople.....(kidding)

Love

Oh they told me too that cats go for more chaos and doggies are th animal to

test

Marc <marc@...> wrote:

>Curious as to why (if??) you got the noise harvester

>(ad have stezer-something meter) if you have found it//

Why? Just to see what (if anything) it does.

At home, I'm also concerned about the health of my wife

and pets, who also have to put up with the noise on

the electric lines. ly, I would have just filled

the house with Quantum Products and Springlife Polarizers,

but the cats don't like these items, and to make sure we

know about it, pee all over the carpet and furniture when

I use too many (I've been told that cats *like* bad energy,

but for reason I find that difficult to believe). So I was

thinking that a more conventional approach may be

acceptable to the cats.

Marc

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> Still ES symptom free, not fear free regrettably, ie unless

> fear is symptom not cause.. Oh how many days do you give the

> cats?? My orthopedi-matress gave me (or it coincided) a

> backache for 2 days, then no more)

In our last house, I gave them until I could no longer stand

cleaning up after them in the living room (and the smell!).

Of course, we had to have the carpet and pad replaced before

we sold that house, because the cats had done so much damage

as a result of my experimentation. Plus we had to replace

some of the furniture.

My tests were quite lengthy with the cats. I even went 30

days with one device, and they repeatedly soiled the furniture

daily until I removed the device. Then they stopped immediately.

But in the new house, I'm not into taking too many risks --

if I see any reaction from the cats, the item is banned

from the house!

Marc

[Guest guest]

Marc: I have found that my cats also are sensitive to this energy, and I too

watch for animal interactions along with my other cautious studies with this

sensitivity. All kinds of insects are attracted by this stuff and I can always

tell by their activity, especially ants. peg

Re: Re: Filters

> Still ES symptom free, not fear free regrettably, ie unless

> fear is symptom not cause.. Oh how many days do you give the

> cats?? My orthopedi-matress gave me (or it coincided) a

> backache for 2 days, then no more)

In our last house, I gave them until I could no longer stand

cleaning up after them in the living room (and the smell!).

Of course, we had to have the carpet and pad replaced before

we sold that house, because the cats had done so much damage

as a result of my experimentation. Plus we had to replace

some of the furniture.

My tests were quite lengthy with the cats. I even went 30

days with one device, and they repeatedly soiled the furniture

daily until I removed the device. Then they stopped immediately.

But in the new house, I'm not into taking too many risks --

if I see any reaction from the cats, the item is banned

from the house!

Marc

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[Guest guest]

In Digest 808 Bill described experimenting with how the electrical

polllution level on a circuit was affected by pluggingin/unplugging GS

filters vs. a Noise Harvester.

One point to be aware of is that such an experiment should be repeated

several times, as other loads on the substation line cause fluctuations in

electrical pollution level independent of anything being done in ones home.

You can see this easily just by leaving a Stetzerizer electrical polllution

meter plugged in and watching it now and then during the day.

Another point to be aware of is that even when an individual (such as

Bill, or myself) has taken personal measures that have resulted in better

overall health and notably less experience of symptoms from electrical

pollution,

the body is still being affected. The effects are cumulative.

For instance, someone who eats well and has a good constitution may say

that he/she feels no effects whatsoever from smoking, but be diagnosed with

cancer after a number of years. It makes no sense to presume that a lack of

present symptoms means it's safe to expose yourself to something known to have

negative bioeffects.

Regards,

Shivani

Life Energies

[Guest guest]

P replaced the filter in my de-humidifier/air purifier today and looked

again at the old filter and what I purchased is NOT the same. The old

12 X 12 X 1 looks like a HEPA filter and ot a pleated. Now I'm really

confused and will call the place I bought the 12X12X1 pleated filters

and see if they sell that size in hepa. I'm tired.......... and does

it matter if it's pleated or hepa in the thing under my house

considering it is sealed in 20mil polyethylene up the walls and dirt, I

wonder and not even sure if that was a hepa but looked like the type

pleated but like hepa. Rhonda

>

> I picked up my 12 X 12 filters today for my de-humidifier/air

purifier

> and I just got 4 to change every 3 months and they came not wrapped

up

> and they said were in a box. Now I wonder what could already be on

> them from being stored in a warehouse. But, that can go with all

> filters but I still like to buy mine wrapped up and sealed. I'm

still

> going to see if I can find 12 X 12 pleated filters somewhere else and

> hopefully wrapped. They also said they had the filter for my air

> handler and I wonder if it is wrapped. Hmmm, I wonder if that

> airhandler filter is a hepa one. I can't even recall but know it is

> pleated. Going to check that out. Rhonda

>

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[Guest guest]

Beckie,Please download and use the new TLC assessment package mentioned here a few days ago.The filters are different between the assessment and training files, because in the assessment there is no feedback, so delay is not an issue.  We use the most accurate filters to give the clearest possible view of the frequency bands.

Training to increase a frequency is usually done in TLC Designs using Butterworth filters, while those in the assessment generally use Elliptic.  The Butterworth " rolls off " within the training band.  If you look at the graph of the filter in the Properties window of the Filter object, you'll notice that a filter picking up 12-15 Hz doesn't stay at 100% (1.0) all the way from 12-15.  The edges of the filter " roll off " before the defined edges.  The elliptic filter rolls off OUTSIDE the band defined or, as in the assessment, we use a high enough filter order that the edges drop straight down, so they pick up 100% of the defined band and 0% of the rest.

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On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:35 PM, beckiecurrier <beckiecurrier@...> wrote:

 

Hi,

I believe I read in The Neurofeedback Handbook by that amplitudes over 80u may be a cause for concern.

I compared two different filters, one used in an old assessment design and one from a training screen and there was a 46u difference on the trend object. The only thing that changed during the comparison was the filter.

Is this something I should learn more about or are amplitudes by themselves not that important?

Old TLC assessment screen

Elliptic IRR

Order 6

Ripple 50

Attenuation -15

Training screen

Butterworth IRR

Order 3

I read the Filters article in the Files section of which was a bit over my head.

Thanks,

Beckie