Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 Hi Donna, I shall also be interested in your quest for a high quality Gardenia FO I have bought Gardenia Absolute that is from Tahiti. I have done nothing with it yet because it is so dear and I do not want to waste it. I also bought a Gardenia that is supposed to be pure and yet upon further investigation seems to be reconstructed or bouqueted (sp) from other eo's Anyway I am on the quest also. There are many different gardenia FO's out there. Many do not even smell like Gardenia. I bought a decent sample from Wellington and am adding other aromas to give it additional Gardenianess: e.g., apple, roman chamomile, lime, clary sage, neroli, musk, chocolate, jasmine, lily of the valley, orris, a lemon basil accord that is very complex along with other green floral notes. I am blending for special candles. Their gardenia is lighter which I like because I am trying to create the ethereal fragrance of the fresh gardenia with the flower still opening. Let me know what you discover also! Thanks, Dorothy From: " donnag2253 " <donnag2253@...> Reply- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 00:48:55 -0000 Subject: tahitian gardenia Hi Everyone, I just joined this group and am happy to see some familiar names here and lots of new ones. I've been " doing aromatherapy " for about 6-7 years and experimenting with creating creams, lotions, salves and perfumes for the last 3-4 years. Anyway, I smelled the loveliest flowers in Hawaii especially plumeria and tahitian gardenia. I have not experimented with any fragrance oils and wondered if anyone here had encountered a gardenia F.O that they really liked. The solvent extracted gardenia is extremely expensive so I thought perhap an F.O. would be fun to play with. If you know a vendor that supplies nice quality F.O.'s that would be helpful also. I'm clueless about fragrance oils. Thanks in advance, Donna Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 *snip* > Anyway, I smelled the loveliest flowers in Hawaii especially plumeria > and tahitian gardenia. I have not experimented with any fragrance > oils and wondered if anyone here had encountered a gardenia F.O that > they really liked. The solvent extracted gardenia is extremely > expensive so I thought perhap an F.O. would be fun to play with. If > you know a vendor that supplies nice quality F.O.'s that would be > helpful also. I'm clueless about fragrance oils. > > Thanks in advance, > > Donna Hi Donna, The best gardenia duplicate I've smelled was from SweetCakes. It's a workhorse of a floral without a bunch of distracting bells and whistles that lead to odd drydowns more often than not. It even soaps well regards, sara Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 28, 2002 Report Share Posted October 28, 2002 At 12:48 AM 10/29/2002 -0000, you wrote: >Anyway, I smelled the loveliest flowers in Hawaii especially plumeria >and tahitian gardenia. I have not experimented with any fragrance >oils and wondered if anyone here had encountered a gardenia F.O that >they really liked. The solvent extracted gardenia is extremely >expensive so I thought perhap an F.O. would be fun to play with. If >you know a vendor that supplies nice quality F.O.'s that would be >helpful also. I'm clueless about fragrance oils. Hi Donna: Madini, the perfumers from Morocco have a great gardenia that I believe is a combo of infused gardenia oil and perhaps some FO (although I'm sure they won't admit it.) It is very expensive, but a little goes a long way. I think they're at madini.com or talisman.com. I believe if you look around, you can find infused Tahitian gardenia oil. It is called Tiare. I have the plants growing around my house, and I infuse it, and many perfumers who produce " South Pacific " perfumes have it, like Comptoir Sud Pacifique (they make a perfume, they don't supply the oil, but I'm just using them as a reference.) Tahitian gardenia is different from the gardenia we know here in the states, as you know. There are probably some Hawaiian producers. let me look in my bookmarks for a second, there is a company that makes a great infused white ginger oil, perhps they have tiare. http://www.mauirain.com/ Hmm, by some of the scents here, some look to be FOs. I can vouch for the white ginger -- it's amazing and true. as for tiare, i did a google: http://shop.store./islandtrend/monoioil8floz.html hmm, not sure -- probably pretty dilute here's the lead page for tiare essential oil http://www.google.com/search?hl=en & lr= & ie=UTF-8 & oe=UTF-8 & q=tiare+essential+oil Can't vouch for any of these. Just sniff around, ask for samples I'm out to the garden before it gets too late to pull some scarlet/pink fragipani flowers off the tree to put into the alcohol. I've been doing this for months, the alcohol is a lovely red color, but not much scent so far. :-( Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2002 Report Share Posted October 29, 2002 At 08:15 PM 10/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I bought a decent sample from Wellington and am adding other aromas to give >it additional >Gardenianess: e.g., apple, roman chamomile, lime, clary sage, neroli, musk, >chocolate, jasmine, lily of the valley, orris, a lemon basil accord that is >very complex along with other green floral notes. Hi Dorothy: What/who is Wellington? For the blend of 'gardenianess', when you mention musk, chocolate and lily of the valley, I'm taking it that they are FOs? ARe you trying to duplicate the scent of just-opening G. jasminoides, or G. tahitientis that we were discussing? I got lost in all the emails, and I can't sniff my way out :-0 Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 LOL, someone in the group wrote me privately that libertynaturals.com has G.tahitientsis under 'enfleurage oils'. They didn't want to post it, since their buddies in aromatherapy make fun of Liberty (actually, diss the company because they say their stuff isn't pure.) Well, the fact that the company has the honesty to put this oil under 'enfleurage' (as I mentioned earlier in this thread, the oil has been produced for hundreds of years by placing the flowers in the fat of coconut oil to extract the scent), tells me they might know what they're doing. They only have two other oils in the enfleurage section, both from hawaii. I'm tempted to make my first Liberty Naturals buy. :-) Their prices are very low, and since I'm not concerned about therapeutic value, other than aromachology, it seems reasonable. Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 From: Anya <mccoy@...> Reply- Date: Tue, 29 Oct 2002 22:18:52 -0500 Subject: Re: tahitian gardenia At 08:15 PM 10/28/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I bought a decent sample from Wellington and am adding other aromas to give >it additional >Gardenianess: e.g., apple, roman chamomile, lime, clary sage, neroli, musk, >chocolate, jasmine, lily of the valley, orris, a lemon basil accord that is >very complex along with other green floral notes. Hi Dorothy: What/who is Wellington? For the blend of 'gardenianess', when you mention musk, chocolate and lily of the valley, I'm taking it that they are FOs? ARe you trying to duplicate the scent of just-opening G. jasminoides, or G. tahitientis that we were discussing? I got lost in all the emails, and I can't sniff my way out :-0 Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Hi Anya and Group members. To get Wellington go to www.wellingtonfragrance.com I am experimenting with many different gardenias as I am creating a gardenia memorial candle in honor of my brother Jon who died in July. So when my brother Sherwood and I were contemplating the gardenia aroma from Jon's casket piece (the gardenias were flown in from Calif), Sherwood smelled chocolate (white chocolate?) and a lime freshness. I smelled a bit of dried apple. The aroma was heavenly, light ethereal, innocent, fresh. not heavy or cloying. The aroma radiated around our heads. A high vibration. So I am on a quest. Consequently, I am using the following FO's: Chocolate ( a drop ) , Lily of the valley, different gardenias blended together, different musks, green floral notes, tuberrose, orris, The essential oils that I am using are Clary Sage, Lemon, Basil, lime, Neroli, and Roman Chamomile. The Tahitian gardenia is $1000.00 an oz. Icant put that in a candle. Hope this helps. I appreciate very much everything you are doing in this group. I am learning a lot and always look forward to reading the posts each day! Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 At 08:55 AM 10/30/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Hi Anya and Group members. > >To get Wellington go to www.wellingtonfragrance.com I see they are a FO company, wholesale only. Probably not too relevant to this group, but interesting. Occasinally, for candle/water diffusers, I get some FOs from sweetcakes.com. Theirs are the best, IMO, and they sell in small quantity, unlike wellington. You can get an ounce, vs. 8 oz minimum. >I am experimenting with many different gardenias as I am creating a gardenia >memorial candle in honor of my brother Jon who died in July. > > >So when my brother Sherwood and I were contemplating the gardenia aroma from >Jon's casket piece (the gardenias were flown in from Calif), Sherwood >smelled chocolate (white chocolate?) and a lime freshness. I smelled a bit >of dried apple. The aroma was heavenly, light ethereal, innocent, fresh. >not heavy or cloying. The aroma radiated around our heads. A high vibration. Gardenias - the fresh flowers - have a deep psychic, spiritual and emotional impact on people. Some associate them with sensuality and sex. It is a rare person who is unmoved by the gardenia in bloom. Next time I'm near some G. jasminoides, I will really pay attention and take deep sniffs, as I never got into the aspects - chocolate, apple, etc., like you and your brother did. Perhaps gardenias can take on the mood of the moment - high vibration, ethereal, etc., at a funeral, vs. heavy, unctuous and deeply indolic-floral for sex. > >So I am on a quest. Consequently, I am using the following FO's: Chocolate >( a drop ) , Lily of the valley, different gardenias blended together, >different musks, green floral notes, tuberrose, orris, Are you going to try some infused tahitian gardenia oil that we have been writing about? Maybe it could provide the true base for your blend. > >The essential oils that I am using are Clary Sage, Lemon, Basil, lime, >Neroli, and Roman Chamomile. > >The Tahitian gardenia is $1000.00 an oz. Icant put that in a candle. Where is that from? Is that an EO? Enfleurage? Absolute? As I posted earlier, there are many sites with 'enfleuraged' Tahitian gardenia at reasonable prices. I also think that folks could get their own G. jasminoids and enfleurage their own. At this time of year, you'd have to get them from a florist, as they only bloom in May/June normally. You'd have to get them at the peak, and put them in oil immediately, as they quickly break down into indole compounds that smell 'off'. >I appreciate very much everything you are doing in this group. I am >learning a lot and always look forward to reading the posts each day! Hey, it's not just me, Dorothy, I just started the group. It's the vast breadth and depth of experience that others share here that count, otherwise, it would just be me writing to me, LOL. We are learning something every day, eh? For instance, about the massoia oil that nne has, and Gail uses. Tony warned us of some dangers that may be in its use. I think with his knowledge we can proceed cautiously, and I do intend to get some of the oil and use it -- it sounds divine. But now I will be very careful and use is diluted waaaaaaayyyy down (which Gail recommended anyways.) I didn't live and demonstrate and take life cautiously as a teenager in the 60s, and warnings about an EO/sex/drugs/rock and roll/protesting the war/hitchhiking across country by myself/protesting civil rights violations/marrying a man named Zap who had a dozen girlfriends/living dangerously aren't going to stop me from doing 'stuff'. Within reason. :-) So, essentially, I know not to go wild with the massoia, but I am going to experiment. I welcome the ability to purchase it, and the warning about potential problems. Boy, I've wandered off topic -- here's some more..... Tony just posted something about helichrysum oil on another list, in response to something i asked there. I think he should post it here. It may be a little more aromatherpy-oriented, but the insights into the perfumery industry in the post are quite funny and educational! Anya http://member.newsguy.com/~herblady © Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2002 Report Share Posted October 30, 2002 Are you going to try some infused tahitian gardenia oil that we have been writing about? Maybe it could provide the true base for your blend. I think that is a good idea, I will try them. I am not sure how that oil would work in candle wax though. I will also try sweetcakes. I have some of their oils and have been somewhat disappointed in a few of them while others have been very acceptable. >The Tahitian gardenia is $1000.00 an oz. Icant put that in a candle. Where is that from? Is that an EO? Enfleurage? Absolute? As I posted earlier, there are many sites with 'enfleuraged' Tahitian gardenia at reasonable prices. I bought from white lotus aromatics and have been very pleased with what I have received so far. It is Gardenia Absolute from Tahiti. >I appreciate very much everything you are doing in this group. I am >learning a lot and always look forward to reading the posts each day! Hey, it's not just me, Dorothy, I just started the group. It's the vast breadth and depth of experience that others share here that count, Yes, I appreciate and recognize such a diversity of expertise and passion in this group. It is very refreshing and wonderful. Thanks to all. Dorothy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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