Re: Candace/Fiber/Hydration, etc.

[Guest guest]

enema (another duh and obvious suggestion!) ... good point... why

ddnt ur 'Quack' recommend an enema or even what john suggested??

cutting as first reactn is so extreme...

On 6/22/09, <deuteronomy2929@...> wrote:

> I'm curious about the whole " second opinion " thing myself.

>

> Candace, have you sought a second opinion? If not, why in the world would

> you stay seeing a doctor that is so obviously missing something? (that is a

> rhetorical question, does not need answering)

>

> The first concern that jumps out at me during these posts is hydration. Does

> the doctor you have consulted know about your hydration habits and issues?

> Has he done any tests re: this issue? If he has, I am curious why he has not

> pressed for I. V. hydration.

>

> And if you have such a constipation issue, which gives me the oogies just

> thinking about, why hasn't the doctor recommended a colonic? Or at least an

> enema. The second you can even do yourself, after talking to your doctor

> about it first.

>

> Just some thoughts after reading all these posts.

>

> Peace, love, laughter

>

>

>

>

> Sorry group... been gone a good portion of this week and weekend.. Looks

> like we were chatting alot... Kelvin, some very good info for Candace.

> Candace, question.. do you have a naturalpath anywhere near you?  I would

> seeking them out for a second and even third opinion to the dr and

> surgery.   Have they checked your liver also?   I'd be curious to know how

> it is functioning along with your gall bladder.

>

>    Suzi

> List Owner

> http://health. groups.. com/group/ HAWK_Health_ Awareness/

> http://360.. com/suziesgoats

>

>

>

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Kelvin

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Hi there!

I am new to this forum and I am not sure about the protocol, however I have been

reading some of the chats from Candance and am quite intrigued. May I ask what

the problem is? I came in a bit late, so I don't have the whole story.

Dr.

> >

> > Sorry group... been gone a good portion of this week and weekend.. Looks

> > like we were chatting alot... Kelvin, some very good info for Candace.

> > Candace, question.. do you have a naturalpath anywhere near you?� I would

> > seeking them out for a second and even third opinion to the dr and

> > surgery.�� Have they checked your liver also?�� I'd be curious to

know how

> > it is functioning along with your gall bladder.

> >

> > �� Suzi

> > List Owner

> > http://health. groups.. com/group/ HAWK_Health_ Awareness/

> > http://360.. com/suziesgoats

> >

> >

> >

>

>

> --

> Kelvin

>

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Lets see... there was the original dr I didn't like so I went to another dr. He referred me to a colon rectal specialist... who ran several tests (those were FUN!!!!!)... he told me what he wanted me to do, I didn't agree with it. In fact he made me so mad I had a few things I wanted to say to him and now I don't think I'd be welcome back there....

So I went to another dr who referred me to a gastroenterologist. Since then 2 more drs..... 35 visits altogether and 2 ER visits so far. I've turned down a lot of "treatment plans" and drugs.

They have tried 3 different prescription strength laxatives that did nothing. Now they say they're at a loss..... the only thing they have left to try in that regard is mixing the laxatives and seeing if that works. I said screw it. If I take a laxative that's supposed to give me projectile BMs and a month later they haven't even made me fart what's the point.

Formula #1 will work but since I can't eat, it KILLS my stomach since it always takes 7-8 pills to do the job. I wish I knew of a natural pill that had all the ingredients EXCEPT the cayenne. I think that's the big one that makes my stomach SCREAM "mercy!"

Drs have mentioned upping my food intake... gotta make sure I'm geting more food. I think that's because I'm anemic.

As far as the constipation goes...

I think drs don't actually believe me half the time. I couldn't figure out WHY until I was telling this to one of the ER doctors and he said "If you were that constipated your abdomen would be rock hard and bulging out" It isn't. And the only time it bloats out is at night. Almost every night. Then I wake up and it has gone back in. it makes no sense. But the ER doc asked "So you must never eat?"

That was when this all STARTED so at that time I hadn't been starving myself yet. I was eating just fine. He looked at me like I was full of shit. Ha ha ha I am in the literal way.

And lookin back over the years.... it is amazing I've stayed alive this long. I went #2 once a month for over 10 years!!! When I was pregnant I went once every THREE months! And I weighed 95 lbs, ate like a horse, and never gained an ounce. Where does it all go!?!? What does my body do with it!?!?!?!!?

I'm a medical mystery.

Well they haven't recommended enemas because when i go in the first thing I say is "I have already tried ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, and ___" and that includes enemas. Water enemas, coffee enemas, enemas with garlic and olive oil in them..... I've tried so many enemas its ridiculous.

The coffee enemas are supposed to stimulate a nerve by your liver that will cause major emptying out. No. It sat in my guts for the 10 minutes and then I pooped out..... coffee enema.

I know I have a blockage on the right side because they found it in an xray and confirmed it in a catscan.... but whenever I ask them what we're gonna do about it they have all said "Well the next time you have a BM that'll clear out" WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING KNOWN TO MAN AND CAN'T TAKE A ____ TO SAVE MY LIFE -- LITERALLY!?!?!!?

Sorry, frustrated. I'm beyond sick of doctors. They've drained me dry just with COPAYS. We won't even go into the bills and ER bills.

CandaceSorry group... been gone a good portion of this week and weekend.. Looks like we were chatting alot... Kelvin, some very good info for Candace.Candace, question.. do you have a naturalpath anywhere near you? I would seeking them out for a second and even third opinion to the dr and surgery. Have they checked your liver also? I'd be curious to know how it is functioning along with your gall bladder. Suzi List Ownerhttp://health. groups.. com/group/ HAWK_Health_ Awareness/ http://360.. com/suziesgoats

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Candace... do you have a health log of some sort. I use this template

for my own purposes to help me troubleshoot when needed, discover

trends, or just monitor my overall habits.

http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=rgHXNHnEqTi1Gp9pHtbyYjQ

What you describe seems to be a mystery until you document your experience.

what my log measures may not necessarily be what you need to measure.

for you, you might want to track water intake and follow up more on

journal / description of your day.

keep in mind: WE CANNOT MANAGE WHAT WE DO NOT MEASURE!

otherwise, you're left to further guessing and conjecture... and no

one (including yourself) will have the data to rely on to make

educated decisions about what to do in your situation. aside from

drinking more water, doing the recommendations others have mentioned:

vitamin c, aloe, etc. (those should be logged volume and frequency on

a daily basis, btw), you should also log your health DAILY!

just my 2cents, but i think it's the step in the right direction to

have anyone (yourself) better understand your situation.

Kelvin

On Mon, Jun 22, 2009 at 11:38 PM, Candace P<candaceandbrock@...> wrote:

>

>

> Lets see... there was the original dr I didn't like so I went to another dr.

> He referred me to a colon rectal specialist... who ran several tests (those

> were FUN!!!!!)... he told me what he wanted me to do, I didn't agree with

> it. In fact he made me so mad I had a few things I wanted to say to him and

> now I don't think I'd be welcome back there....

>

> So I went to another dr who referred me to a gastroenterologist. Since then

> 2 more drs..... 35 visits altogether and 2 ER visits so far. I've turned

> down a lot of " treatment plans " and drugs.

> They have tried 3 different prescription strength laxatives that did

> nothing. Now they say they're at a loss..... the only thing they have left

> to try in that regard is mixing the laxatives and seeing if that works. I

> said screw it. If I take a laxative that's supposed to give me projectile

> BMs and a month later they haven't even made me fart what's the point.

> Formula #1 will work but since I can't eat, it KILLS my stomach since it

> always takes 7-8 pills to do the job. I wish I knew of a natural pill that

> had all the ingredients EXCEPT the cayenne. I think that's the big one that

> makes my stomach SCREAM " mercy! "

>

> Drs have mentioned upping my food intake... gotta make sure I'm geting more

> food. I think that's because I'm anemic.

> As far as the constipation goes...

> I think drs don't actually believe me half the time. I couldn't figure out

> WHY until I was telling this to one of the ER doctors and he said " If you

> were that constipated your abdomen would be rock hard and bulging out " It

> isn't. And the only time it bloats out is at night. Almost every night. Then

> I wake up and it has gone back in. it makes no sense. But the ER doc asked

> " So you must never eat? "

> That was when this all STARTED so at that time I hadn't been starving myself

> yet. I was eating just fine. He looked at me like I was full of shit. Ha ha

> ha I am in the literal way.

>

> And lookin back over the years.... it is amazing I've stayed alive this

> long. I went #2 once a month for over 10 years!!! When I was pregnant I went

> once every THREE months! And I weighed 95 lbs, ate like a horse, and never

> gained an ounce. Where does it all go!?!? What does my body do with

> it!?!?!?!!?

> I'm a medical mystery.

>

> Well they haven't recommended enemas because when i go in the first thing I

> say is " I have already tried ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, and ___ " and that

> includes enemas. Water enemas, coffee enemas, enemas with garlic and olive

> oil in them..... I've tried so many enemas its ridiculous.

> The coffee enemas are supposed to stimulate a nerve by your liver that will

> cause major emptying out. No. It sat in my guts for the 10 minutes and then

> I pooped out..... coffee enema.

> I know I have a blockage on the right side because they found it in an xray

> and confirmed it in a catscan.... but whenever I ask them what we're gonna

> do about it they have all said " Well the next time you have a BM that'll

> clear out " WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING

> KNOWN TO MAN AND CAN'T TAKE A ____ TO SAVE MY LIFE -- LITERALLY!?!?!!?

>

> Sorry, frustrated. I'm beyond sick of doctors. They've drained me dry just

> with COPAYS. We won't even go into the bills and ER bills.

>

>

> Candace

>

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It asks me for a google login

Oh well, I think that's a great idea and I'll put one together now. I think I get the jist of it.... what I eat/drink and when.... what days I feel horrible, what times..... etc etc.......

Its a good idea!

Candace>>> Lets see... there was the original dr I didn't like so I went to another dr.> He referred me to a colon rectal specialist.. . who ran several tests (those> were FUN!!!!!)... he told me what he wanted me to do, I didn't agree with> it. In fact he made me so mad I had a few things I wanted to say to him and> now I don't think I'd be welcome back

there....>> So I went to another dr who referred me to a gastroenterologist. Since then> 2 more drs..... 35 visits altogether and 2 ER visits so far. I've turned> down a lot of "treatment plans" and drugs.> They have tried 3 different prescription strength laxatives that did> nothing. Now they say they're at a loss..... the only thing they have left> to try in that regard is mixing the laxatives and seeing if that works. I> said screw it. If I take a laxative that's supposed to give me projectile> BMs and a month later they haven't even made me fart what's the point.> Formula #1 will work but since I can't eat, it KILLS my stomach since it> always takes 7-8 pills to do the job. I wish I knew of a natural pill that> had all the ingredients EXCEPT the cayenne. I think that's the big one that> makes my stomach SCREAM "mercy!">> Drs have mentioned upping

my food intake... gotta make sure I'm geting more> food. I think that's because I'm anemic.> As far as the constipation goes...> I think drs don't actually believe me half the time. I couldn't figure out> WHY until I was telling this to one of the ER doctors and he said "If you> were that constipated your abdomen would be rock hard and bulging out" It> isn't. And the only time it bloats out is at night. Almost every night. Then> I wake up and it has gone back in. it makes no sense. But the ER doc asked> "So you must never eat?"> That was when this all STARTED so at that time I hadn't been starving myself> yet. I was eating just fine. He looked at me like I was full of shit. Ha ha> ha I am in the literal way.>> And lookin back over the years.... it is amazing I've stayed alive this> long. I went #2 once a month for over 10 years!!! When I was pregnant I

went> once every THREE months! And I weighed 95 lbs, ate like a horse, and never> gained an ounce. Where does it all go!?!? What does my body do with> it!?!?!?!!?> I'm a medical mystery.>> Well they haven't recommended enemas because when i go in the first thing I> say is "I have already tried ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, and ___" and that> includes enemas. Water enemas, coffee enemas, enemas with garlic and olive> oil in them..... I've tried so many enemas its ridiculous.> The coffee enemas are supposed to stimulate a nerve by your liver that will> cause major emptying out. No. It sat in my guts for the 10 minutes and then> I pooped out..... coffee enema.> I know I have a blockage on the right side because they found it in an xray> and confirmed it in a catscan.... but whenever I ask them what we're gonna> do about it they have all said "Well the

next time you have a BM that'll> clear out" WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING> KNOWN TO MAN AND CAN'T TAKE A ____ TO SAVE MY LIFE -- LITERALLY!?! ?!!?>> Sorry, frustrated. I'm beyond sick of doctors. They've drained me dry just> with COPAYS. We won't even go into the bills and ER bills.>>> Candace>

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odd... here it is again:

http://spreadsheets.google.com/pub?key=rgHXNHnEqTi1Gp9pHtbyYjQ & output=html

but ya.. even if you can't get to it, just to let you know, a

spreadsheet is ideal to log data. you can chart #s to see trends or

just get an average of #s or totals, etc.

hopefully you'll log beginning today!

Kelvin

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 12:45 AM, Candace P<candaceandbrock@...> wrote:

>

>

> It asks me for a google login

>

> Oh well, I think that's a great idea and I'll put one together now. I think

> I get the jist of it.... what I eat/drink and when.... what days I feel

> horrible, what times..... etc etc.......

>

> Its a good idea!

>

> Candace

>

>

>>

>>

>> Lets see... there was the original dr I didn't like so I went to another

>> dr.

>> He referred me to a colon rectal specialist.. . who ran several tests

>> (those

>> were FUN!!!!!)... he told me what he wanted me to do, I didn't agree with

>> it. In fact he made me so mad I had a few things I wanted to say to him

>> and

>> now I don't think I'd be welcome back there....

>>

>> So I went to another dr who referred me to a gastroenterologist. Since

>> then

>> 2 more drs..... 35 visits altogether and 2 ER visits so far. I've turned

>> down a lot of " treatment plans " and drugs.

>> They have tried 3 different prescription strength laxatives that did

>> nothing. Now they say they're at a loss..... the only thing they have left

>> to try in that regard is mixing the laxatives and seeing if that works. I

>> said screw it. If I take a laxative that's supposed to give me projectile

>> BMs and a month later they haven't even made me fart what's the point.

>> Formula #1 will work but since I can't eat, it KILLS my stomach since it

>> always takes 7-8 pills to do the job. I wish I knew of a natural pill that

>> had all the ingredients EXCEPT the cayenne. I think that's the big one

>> that

>> makes my stomach SCREAM " mercy! "

>>

>> Drs have mentioned upping my food intake... gotta make sure I'm geting

>> more

>> food. I think that's because I'm anemic.

>> As far as the constipation goes...

>> I think drs don't actually believe me half the time. I couldn't figure out

>> WHY until I was telling this to one of the ER doctors and he said " If you

>> were that constipated your abdomen would be rock hard and bulging out " It

>> isn't. And the only time it bloats out is at night. Almost every night.

>> Then

>> I wake up and it has gone back in. it makes no sense. But the ER doc asked

>> " So you must never eat? "

>> That was when this all STARTED so at that time I hadn't been starving

>> myself

>> yet. I was eating just fine. He looked at me like I was full of shit. Ha

>> ha

>> ha I am in the literal way.

>>

>> And lookin back over the years.... it is amazing I've stayed alive this

>> long. I went #2 once a month for over 10 years!!! When I was pregnant I

>> went

>> once every THREE months! And I weighed 95 lbs, ate like a horse, and never

>> gained an ounce. Where does it all go!?!? What does my body do with

>> it!?!?!?!!?

>> I'm a medical mystery.

>>

>> Well they haven't recommended enemas because when i go in the first thing

>> I

>> say is " I have already tried ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, and ___ " and

>> that

>> includes enemas. Water enemas, coffee enemas, enemas with garlic and olive

>> oil in them..... I've tried so many enemas its ridiculous.

>> The coffee enemas are supposed to stimulate a nerve by your liver that

>> will

>> cause major emptying out. No. It sat in my guts for the 10 minutes and

>> then

>> I pooped out..... coffee enema.

>> I know I have a blockage on the right side because they found it in an

>> xray

>> and confirmed it in a catscan.... but whenever I ask them what we're gonna

>> do about it they have all said " Well the next time you have a BM that'll

>> clear out " WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT I'VE TRIED

>> EVERYTHING

>> KNOWN TO MAN AND CAN'T TAKE A ____ TO SAVE MY LIFE -- LITERALLY!?! ?!!?

>>

>> Sorry, frustrated. I'm beyond sick of doctors. They've drained me dry just

>> with COPAYS. We won't even go into the bills and ER bills.

>>

>>

>> Candace

>>

>

>

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Candance

You can also try the health tracker on Preventions site:

http://www.prevention.com/cda/healthtracker.do?cm_sp=HealthTracker-_-TopNav-_-he\

althtracker.do you can log mood, food, activity, etc.

I am not sure about the formulas from Dr Schultz as i have been making all of

mine own #1 & #2 since 2004 now. And i didnt see the Aloes in there that would

help soothe the lining of your intestines and belly. Also what about SLippery

elm?

But seems to me that you are right about trying formula #1 without the cayenne

to make it easier on your belly with little or no food. I make batches that

dont have Wormwood for anytime use, versus when i am doing a major cleanse, so

you could easily leave cayenne out i'm sure. and assuming the Vit C thing might

help, seem slogical that you could try adding lemmon or orange peel or both to

the formula and see if they added Vit C woould work?

If you dont have any of this stuff to hand, let me know and maybe i can try

mixing you up a Candace special batch?

I have had a few mishaps with eating too much fiber - but to clarify - not fiber

from foods, just fiber like adding ground flax, or fiber mix stuff. Did that

last month trying to help me keep from being hungry and it took me a week to get

myself back regular. I looked 4 Month preggers for the majority of that week,

till the blockage left, and once it did, took a few days to regulate due to

" rebound " .

My thoughts are try a special mix of Formula #1, and Super Green Mix, for a few

weeks. If you are eating meat right now, i would avoid it or eliminate it,

until you can get regulated because it is only going to make things worse. If

you need more protein, add more green mix or add other protein powder source (i

add a scoop of Rice Protein to my morning smoothie of Green stuff).

Syl

> >

> >

> > Lets see... there was the original dr I didn't like so I went to another dr.

> > He referred me to a colon rectal specialist.. . who ran several tests (those

> > were FUN!!!!!)... he told me what he wanted me to do, I didn't agree with

> > it. In fact he made me so mad I had a few things I wanted to say to him and

> > now I don't think I'd be welcome back there....

> >

> > So I went to another dr who referred me to a gastroenterologist. Since then

> > 2 more drs..... 35 visits altogether and 2 ER visits so far. I've turned

> > down a lot of " treatment plans " and drugs.

> > They have tried 3 different prescription strength laxatives that did

> > nothing. Now they say they're at a loss..... the only thing they have left

> > to try in that regard is mixing the laxatives and seeing if that works. I

> > said screw it. If I take a laxative that's supposed to give me projectile

> > BMs and a month later they haven't even made me fart what's the point.

> > Formula #1 will work but since I can't eat, it KILLS my stomach since it

> > always takes 7-8 pills to do the job. I wish I knew of a natural pill that

> > had all the ingredients EXCEPT the cayenne. I think that's the big one that

> > makes my stomach SCREAM " mercy! "

> >

> > Drs have mentioned upping my food intake... gotta make sure I'm geting more

> > food. I think that's because I'm anemic.

> > As far as the constipation goes...

> > I think drs don't actually believe me half the time. I couldn't figure out

> > WHY until I was telling this to one of the ER doctors and he said " If you

> > were that constipated your abdomen would be rock hard and bulging out " It

> > isn't. And the only time it bloats out is at night. Almost every night. Then

> > I wake up and it has gone back in. it makes no sense. But the ER doc asked

> > " So you must never eat? "

> > That was when this all STARTED so at that time I hadn't been starving myself

> > yet. I was eating just fine. He looked at me like I was full of shit. Ha ha

> > ha I am in the literal way.

> >

> > And lookin back over the years.... it is amazing I've stayed alive this

> > long. I went #2 once a month for over 10 years!!! When I was pregnant I went

> > once every THREE months! And I weighed 95 lbs, ate like a horse, and never

> > gained an ounce. Where does it all go!?!? What does my body do with

> > it!?!?!?!!?

> > I'm a medical mystery.

> >

> > Well they haven't recommended enemas because when i go in the first thing I

> > say is " I have already tried ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, ___, and ___ " and that

> > includes enemas. Water enemas, coffee enemas, enemas with garlic and olive

> > oil in them..... I've tried so many enemas its ridiculous.

> > The coffee enemas are supposed to stimulate a nerve by your liver that will

> > cause major emptying out. No. It sat in my guts for the 10 minutes and then

> > I pooped out..... coffee enema.

> > I know I have a blockage on the right side because they found it in an xray

> > and confirmed it in a catscan.... but whenever I ask them what we're gonna

> > do about it they have all said " Well the next time you have a BM that'll

> > clear out " WHAT DO THEY NOT UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT I'VE TRIED EVERYTHING

> > KNOWN TO MAN AND CAN'T TAKE A ____ TO SAVE MY LIFE -- LITERALLY!?! ?!!?

> >

> > Sorry, frustrated. I'm beyond sick of doctors. They've drained me dry just

> > with COPAYS. We won't even go into the bills and ER bills.

> >

> >

> > Candace

> >

>

[Guest guest]

forgot all about that! fitday.com works (same service for prevention site).  definitely try that out!  hopefully it can track everything you need it to.Kelvin

On Tue, Jun 23, 2009 at 8:40 PM, Sylvia <h10feet@...> wrote:

Candance

You can also try the health tracker on Preventions site:

http://www.prevention.com/cda/healthtracker.do?cm_sp=HealthTracker-_-TopNav-_-healthtracker.do you can log mood, food, activity, etc.

I am not sure about the formulas from Dr Schultz as i have been making all of mine own #1 & #2 since 2004 now. And i didnt see the Aloes in there that would help soothe the lining of your intestines and belly. Also what about SLippery elm?

But seems to me that you are right about trying formula #1 without the cayenne to make it easier on your belly with little or no food. I make batches that dont have Wormwood for anytime use, versus when i am doing a major cleanse, so you could easily leave cayenne out i'm sure. and assuming the Vit C thing might help, seem slogical that you could try adding lemmon or orange peel or both to the formula and see if they added Vit C woould work?

If you dont have any of this stuff to hand, let me know and maybe i can try mixing you up a Candace special batch?

I have had a few mishaps with eating too much fiber - but to clarify - not fiber from foods, just fiber like adding ground flax, or fiber mix stuff. Did that last month trying to help me keep from being hungry and it took me a week to get myself back regular. I looked 4 Month preggers for the majority of that week, till the blockage left, and once it did, took a few days to regulate due to " rebound " .

My thoughts are try a special mix of Formula #1, and Super Green Mix, for a few weeks. If you are eating meat right now, i would avoid it or eliminate it, until you can get regulated because it is only going to make things worse. If you need more protein, add more green mix or add other protein powder source (i add a scoop of Rice Protein to my morning smoothie of Green stuff).

Syl