Re: question from a newbie

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi everyone,

>

> Please bear with me - I'm probably about to ask a dumb question

(but I

> really DID read the FAQ first...)

>

> For a child with " mild " (whatever that is) levels of Aluminum,

Cadmium and

> Arsenic,

That test does NOT look like a " mild " case to me.

> is it OK to chelate yourself with something like malic acid and

> ALA, or should it always be under a doctor's care?

The laws encourage us all to say you should always do everything under

a doctor's care - maybe even the same doc who poisoned your kid!

All the adults I know who got better took a very much " do it yourself "

approach. Some used doc's and found them very helpful, but all took

responsibility for their own care.

I think it depends on what kinds of doc's you can find, and how

comfortable you are taking responsibility for your kid's health.

> The reason I ask is

> that the nutritionist that ordered my son's hair analysis (by Trace

> Elements, Inc.) doesn't think I need to do anything other than

supplement

> with minerals and amino acids right now. She seems to think that if

I get

> him nutritionally back in balance, then his body will be able to get

rid of

> these metals.

I doubt it. It will help him feel better, but something like ALA is

needed for the Hg and As. ALA is of course an over the counter

nutritional supplement, so you can decide whether to use a " regular "

doc or not.

> (I'll list the " hard data " from the hair test below).

> Naturally, I'd like to do all that I can safely to start ridding my

son of

> these metals and it seems like her position may be too passive. I

took the

> test info to my Pediatrician and of course he had no idea what to do

with

> it. A friend of a friend who is a toxicologist suggested that I

take the

> results to an Occupational Medicine MD to review, so I " m in the

process of

> scheduling that.

I will be absolutely floored if they admit there is anything wrong. I

have never heard of a toxicologist who agreed any mercury toxic person

I know of was toxic.

> I'm wondering if he is going to just tell me not to worry

> about it either.

> The levels are shown below.

I'll bet dollars to donuts you are right.

> Am I making too much out of this, or do I need

> to push harder for help? Or maybe there is something else I can do

myself

> without supervision?

" supervision " is VERY different from finding a doc who will order

tests when you need them. Supervision implies the doc makes the

decisions. It isn't that hard to find doc's who offer advice which

sometimes turns out to be useful. It is almost impossible to find one

who can competently supervise a mercury or arsenic detox case.

BTW, the patient (or parent) has the right to make the ultimate

decisions, so in a sense even the law doesn't let the doctor's

" supervise " your case - it is up to you whether you let them or manage

it yourself with their advice.

> But then, I guess I can't follow up with urine

> tests....

>

> Thanks for all you help in advance,

> Timary (mom to Ben, age 4, DSI and ADHD, mild CAPD and

" autistic-like

> behaviors " )

>

> TOXIC ELEMENTS AMT REF. RANGE

>

> Arsenic .038 <.020

> Cadmium .016 < .014

> Lead .10 <.30

> Aluminum 2.3 <1.8

> Uranium, Beryllium, and Mercury were below the calibration limit.

>

> NUTRITIONAL ELEMENTS AMT REF. RANGE

>

> Ca 15 22 to 97

> Mg 01 2 to11

> Na 85 4 to 36

> K 40 2 to 24

> Cu .9 .9 to 3.9

> Zn 5 10 to 21

> P 13 11 to 20

> Fe .8 .5 to 1.6

> Mn .010 .101 to .130

> Cr .12 .02 to .08

> Se .28 .03 to .18

> B 1.16 .02 to .91

> Co .001 .001 to .003

> Mo .005 .003 to .008

> S 4160 3546 to 5336

Way too many highs and lows in the nutritional elements - the typical

signature of mercury impaired mineral tran

[Guest guest]

Andy,

Thanks for the prompt reply. Can you advise me on how to get

started? I have no problem taking responsibility for my child's

health. Where should I start? What should I read? Is there a

particular protocol I should familiarize myself with first? From

what I have read, it sounds like malic acid and ALA may be good

places to start? I need to find out about dosages, schedules and

follow-up testing, I guess. My son is 45 pounds.

Thanks so much,

Timary

> >

> > Hi everyone,

> >

> > Please bear with me - I'm probably about to ask a dumb question

> (but I

> > really DID read the FAQ first...)

> >

> > For a child with " mild " (whatever that is) levels of Aluminum,

> Cadmium and

> > Arsenic,

>

> That test does NOT look like a " mild " case to me.

>

> > is it OK to chelate yourself with something like malic acid and

> > ALA, or should it always be under a doctor's care?

>

> The laws encourage us all to say you should always do everything

under

> a doctor's care - maybe even the same doc who poisoned your kid!

>

> All the adults I know who got better took a very much " do it

yourself "

> approach. Some used doc's and found them very helpful, but all

took

> responsibility for their own care.

>

> I think it depends on what kinds of doc's you can find, and how

> comfortable you are taking responsibility for your kid's health.

>

> > The reason I ask is

> > that the nutritionist that ordered my son's hair analysis (by

Trace

> > Elements, Inc.) doesn't think I need to do anything other than

> supplement

> > with minerals and amino acids right now. She seems to think that

if

> I get

> > him nutritionally back in balance, then his body will be able to

get

> rid of

> > these metals.

>

> I doubt it. It will help him feel better, but something like ALA

is

> needed for the Hg and As. ALA is of course an over the counter

> nutritional supplement, so you can decide whether to use

a " regular "

> doc or not.

>

> > (I'll list the " hard data " from the hair test below).

> > Naturally, I'd like to do all that I can safely to start ridding

my

> son of

> > these metals and it seems like her position may be too passive.

I

> took the

> > test info to my Pediatrician and of course he had no idea what to

do

> with

> > it. A friend of a friend who is a toxicologist suggested that I

> take the

> > results to an Occupational Medicine MD to review, so I " m in the

> process of

> > scheduling that.

>

> I will be absolutely floored if they admit there is anything

wrong. I

> have never heard of a toxicologist who agreed any mercury toxic

person

> I know of was toxic.

>

> > I'm wondering if he is going to just tell me not to worry

> > about it either.

> > The levels are shown below.

>

> I'll bet dollars to donuts you are right.

>

> > Am I making too much out of this, or do I need

> > to push harder for help? Or maybe there is something else I can

do

> myself

> > without supervision?

>

> " supervision " is VERY different from finding a doc who will order

> tests when you need them. Supervision implies the doc makes the

> decisions. It isn't that hard to find doc's who offer advice which

> sometimes turns out to be useful. It is almost impossible to find

one

> who can competently supervise a mercury or arsenic detox case.

>

> BTW, the patient (or parent) has the right to make the ultimate

> decisions, so in a sense even the law doesn't let the doctor's

> " supervise " your case - it is up to you whether you let them or

manage

> it yourself with their advice.

>

> > But then, I guess I can't follow up with urine

> > tests....

> >

> > Thanks for all you help in advance,

> > Timary (mom to Ben, age 4, DSI and ADHD, mild CAPD and

> " autistic-like

> > behaviors " )

> >

> > TOXIC ELEMENTS AMT REF. RANGE

> >

> > Arsenic .038 <.020

> > Cadmium .016 < .014

> > Lead .10 <.30

> > Aluminum 2.3 <1.8

> > Uranium, Beryllium, and Mercury were below the calibration limit.

> >

> > NUTRITIONAL ELEMENTS AMT REF. RANGE

> >

> > Ca 15 22 to 97

> > Mg 01 2 to11

> > Na 85 4 to 36

> > K 40 2 to 24

> > Cu .9 .9 to 3.9

> > Zn 5 10 to 21

> > P 13 11 to 20

> > Fe .8 .5 to 1.6

> > Mn .010 .101 to .130

> > Cr .12 .02 to .08

> > Se .28 .03 to .18

> > B 1.16 .02 to .91

> > Co .001 .001 to .003

> > Mo .005 .003 to .008

> > S 4160 3546 to 5336

>

> Way too many highs and lows in the nutritional elements - the

typical

> signature of mercury impaired mineral tran

[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > Hi everyone,

> > >

> > > Please bear with me - I'm probably about to ask a dumb question

> > (but I

> > > really DID read the FAQ first...)

> > >

> > > For a child with " mild " (whatever that is) levels of Aluminum,

> > Cadmium and

> > > Arsenic,

> >

> > That test does NOT look like a " mild " case to me.

> >

> > > is it OK to chelate yourself with something like malic acid and

> > > ALA, or should it always be under a doctor's care?

> >

> > The laws encourage us all to say you should always do everything

> under

> > a doctor's care - maybe even the same doc who poisoned your kid!

> >

> > All the adults I know who got better took a very much " do it

> yourself "

> > approach. Some used doc's and found them very helpful, but all

> took

> > responsibility for their own care.

> >

> > I think it depends on what kinds of doc's you can find, and how

> > comfortable you are taking responsibility for your kid's health.

> >

> > > The reason I ask is

> > > that the nutritionist that ordered my son's hair analysis (by

> Trace

> > > Elements, Inc.) doesn't think I need to do anything other than

> > supplement

> > > with minerals and amino acids right now. She seems to think

that

> if

> > I get

> > > him nutritionally back in balance, then his body will be able to

> get

> > rid of

> > > these metals.

> >

> > I doubt it. It will help him feel better, but something like ALA

> is

> > needed for the Hg and As. ALA is of course an over the counter

> > nutritional supplement, so you can decide whether to use

> a " regular "

> > doc or not.

> >

> > > (I'll list the " hard data " from the hair test below).

> > > Naturally, I'd like to do all that I can safely to start ridding

> my

> > son of

> > > these metals and it seems like her position may be too passive.

> I

> > took the

> > > test info to my Pediatrician and of course he had no idea what

to

> do

> > with

> > > it. A friend of a friend who is a toxicologist suggested that

I

> > take the

> > > results to an Occupational Medicine MD to review, so I " m in the

> > process of

> > > scheduling that.

> >

> > I will be absolutely floored if they admit there is anything

> wrong. I

> > have never heard of a toxicologist who agreed any mercury toxic

> person

> > I know of was toxic.

> >

> > > I'm wondering if he is going to just tell me not to worry

> > > about it either.

> > > The levels are shown below.

> >

> > I'll bet dollars to donuts you are right.

> >

> > > Am I making too much out of this, or do I need

> > > to push harder for help? Or maybe there is something else I can

> do

> > myself

> > > without supervision?

> >

> > " supervision " is VERY different from finding a doc who will order

> > tests when you need them. Supervision implies the doc makes the

> > decisions. It isn't that hard to find doc's who offer advice

which

> > sometimes turns out to be useful. It is almost impossible to find

> one

> > who can competently supervise a mercury or arsenic detox case.

> >

> > BTW, the patient (or parent) has the right to make the ultimate

> > decisions, so in a sense even the law doesn't let the doctor's

> > " supervise " your case - it is up to you whether you let them or

> manage

> > it yourself with their advice.

> >

> > > But then, I guess I can't follow up with urine

> > > tests....

> > >

> > > Thanks for all you help in advance,

> > > Timary (mom to Ben, age 4, DSI and ADHD, mild CAPD and

> > " autistic-like

> > > behaviors " )

> > >

> > > TOXIC ELEMENTS AMT REF. RANGE

> > >

> > > Arsenic .038 <.020

> > > Cadmium .016 < .014

> > > Lead .10 <.30

> > > Aluminum 2.3 <1.8

> > > Uranium, Beryllium, and Mercury were below the calibration

limit.

> > >

> > > NUTRITIONAL ELEMENTS AMT REF. RANGE

> > >

> > > Ca 15 22 to 97

> > > Mg 01 2 to11

> > > Na 85 4 to 36

> > > K 40 2 to 24

> > > Cu .9 .9 to 3.9

> > > Zn 5 10 to 21

> > > P 13 11 to 20

> > > Fe .8 .5 to 1.6

> > > Mn .010 .101 to .130

> > > Cr .12 .02 to .08

> > > Se .28 .03 to .18

> > > B 1.16 .02 to .91

> > > Co .001 .001 to .003

> > > Mo .005 .003 to .008

> > > S 4160 3546 to 5336

> >

> > Way too many highs and lows in the nutritional elements - the

> typical

> > signature of mercury impair

[Guest guest]

Don't question magic.

So happy to hear how well you are doing

Aletha

[low dose naltrexone] Even in 50mg naltrexone bone loss is not a side-effect

> > Is there any connection between ldn & osteoporosis. I have this condition and have been > > faithfully taking ldn along withthe other doctor recommended treatments and I lost an > > additional 3% of bone during the last year of treatment. anyone?> ==========> > Go to a healthfood store or book store. Get the book Prescription for Nutritional Healing 3rd Edition by F. Balch, M.D. and Phyllis A. Balch, C.N.C. Follow their guidelines for osteoporosis. This book contains around 600 pages of self-help approach to good health. I use my book alot.> >

[Guest guest]

"jdschiller1486" <jdschiller1@c...> wrote:> > Is there any connection between ldn & osteoporosis. I have this condition and have been > > faithfully taking ldn along withthe other doctor recommended treatments and I lost an > > additional 3% of bone during the last year of treatment. anyone?........................................................................................

According to many reports on health and healing if you are relying on calcium from cows milk then you will not recieve any benefit by drinking it as we are not cattle!

Now according to my mother who practises homeopathy you must get your calcium from vegetables and Strontium and not cows milk, and all their lives they were farmers and milked cows too.

I read Dr.Mercola's all the time and he says to stay away from Dairy for many reasons, personally I have developed a lactose intolerance in my later years and now I take a real good calcium magnesium blend before bed time.

I sleep well and with my Bran and ground flax seed I am regular too!

Oh yes and mustn't forget the one gram of vitamin "C" daily.

Reg

[Guest guest]

are you taking vitamin d and 3mg of boron? kathy

Re: [low dose naltrexone] QUESTION FROM A NEWBIE

"jdschiller1486" <jdschiller1@c...> wrote:> > Is there any connection between ldn & osteoporosis. I have this condition and have been > > faithfully taking ldn along withthe other doctor recommended treatments and I lost an > > additional 3% of bone during the last year of treatment. anyone?........................................................................................

According to many reports on health and healing if you are relying on calcium from cows milk then you will not recieve any benefit by drinking it as we are not cattle!

Now according to my mother who practises homeopathy you must get your calcium from vegetables and Strontium and not cows milk, and all their lives they were farmers and milked cows too.

I read Dr.Mercola's all the time and he says to stay away from Dairy for many reasons, personally I have developed a lactose intolerance in my later years and now I take a real good calcium magnesium blend before bed time.

I sleep well and with my Bran and ground flax seed I am regular too!

Oh yes and mustn't forget the one gram of vitamin "C" daily.

Reg

[Guest guest]

Reg, what type of calcium are you on? I am loosing bone density at an

alarming rate too. It seems to be another very common thing with us

MSers. It probably has nothing to do with the LDN. Have been taking

coral calcium in my water but it doesnt seem to help. Also take D3

daily. Was on didrocal from the Doc and could not tollerate it.

Thanks

Kathy H

On 2-May-05, at 7:01 AM, Reg Kreil wrote:

>  

>  

> " jdschiller1486 " <jdschiller1@c...> wrote:

> > > Is there any connection between ldn & osteoporosis. I have this

> condition and have been

> > > faithfully taking ldn along withthe other doctor recommended

> treatments and I lost an

> > > additional 3% of bone during the last year of treatment.

> anyone?................................................................

> ........................

>  

> According to many reports on health and healing if you are relying on

> calcium from cows milk then you will not recieve any benefit by

> drinking it as we are not cattle!

> Now according to my mother who practises homeopathy you must get your

> calcium from vegetables and Strontium and not cows milk, and all their

> lives they were farmers and milked cows too.

> I read Dr.Mercola's all the time and he says to stay away from Dairy

> for many reasons, personally I have developed a lactose intolerance in

> my later years and now I take a real good calcium magnesium blend

> before bed time.

> I sleep well and with my Bran and ground flax seed I am regular too!

> Oh yes and mustn't forget the one gram of vitamin " C " daily.

> Reg 

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

Hi Maggie,

tooth formula in the files is good. Do you take any vitamins or anything??

Suzi

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What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

From: Maggie Sparrow <msparrow@...>Subject: question from a newbiehealth Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:50 AMThanks for the welcome, Suzanne.

I'm having problems with gum disease, in spite of (I thought) good dental

hygiene and dental cleaning at the office every three months. I recently

read about Peri-Gum somewhere, and looked at the web site www.peri-gum.com

Does anyone have any experience with this or any other good product that

might help?

thanks

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Maggie,

I've not used this product but the ingredients are all good.

(Finally got a chance to check it out... I'm moving my offices at work and putting them back to gether, along with trying to do the daily routine stuff)

Suzi

List Owner

health/

http://360./suziesgoats

What is a weed? A plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered.

From: Maggie Sparrow <msparrow@...>Subject: question from a newbiehealth Date: Sunday, January 11, 2009, 11:50 AMThanks for the welcome, Suzanne.

I'm having problems with gum disease, in spite of (I thought) good dental

hygiene and dental cleaning at the office every three months. I recently

read about Peri-Gum somewhere, and looked at the web site www.peri-gum.com

Does anyone have any experience with this or any other good product that

might help?

thanks

Maggie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Carole, I'm also a newbie to the RA. I was diagnosed in March of this year.

I started on Plaquenil and I was still aching everyday. I'm now on

Methotrexate(15weeks) and Plaquenil(8months)and some days are good and some are

not so good. I do notice that certain things I eat determine how I will feel the

next couple of days. I've made some pretty big food changes in my life. Such

as I no longer eat meat. And eat more of a raw diet. This helps with the

pains. Hope this helps.

>

> I was diagnosed with early RA in Sept. and am on Plaquanil. I still have

flares in single joints every week or two. But, in the past week, I have started

aching in both shoulders, elbows, wrists and some fingers. It is not stiff and

painful like a flare....it is just a constant 'ache'. Is this typical with early

RA?

>

> Carole

>