Re: sick, sick, sick

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Hi Sheila, welcome. I am so happy you found this board as well. I feel this board saved my life. I too had the fatigue you are talking about, so much that I thought I would end up quiting my job. I have been explanted for 4 months now and gaining strength daily (although I do have bad days). Please make sure you read the files here and find a recommended doctor. Many doctors don't feel implants cause illness and won't perform explant correctly - - which can cause future problems and the need for more surgery.

How is your sister who was explanted? I hope well. I am also having auto-immune issues caused by the implants. There are so many women on this board who have been through the detox process and are healthy again who can offer you advice and support.

Oh, I too liked my appearance with implants but never cared for the feel of them. Mine were unnatural feeling. Now that I am explanted I love my soft natural breasts.

Lynn

Sick, Sick, Sick

Hi, I am new to the group. I have had my implants for almost 9 years. I first started having symptoms of muscle fatigue 2 years ago. I am a runner and at first I attributed it to too much exercise. However my fatige still exists. I have weeks when I am good and weeks when the symptoms come back. Last month the symptoms became severe. I just didn't know how I was going to go through life in pain with having young children. It was debilitating to say the least. Then last month my right arm, leg, and the side of my face went numb. I spent 2 days in the hospital undergoing tests. All test are negative. My neurologist made a comment about my implants possibly being the cause. The strange thing is that I have 2 sisters with implants and one had them removed because she has an auto-immune disorder and my other sister ended up in the emergency room 2 years ago for the same symptoms that I am having. She

still has not regained complete feeling in the left side of her body. I am having my implants removed next month. I hope that in time and with detoxification I will be able to restore myself. I admit that I really do love my implants but common sense tells me to not take any chances and have them removed. I am so thankful that I came upon this website. It has been instrumental in helping me to make my final decision!Shelia

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Hi Shelia,

Welcome!! I'm sorry to hear that you've been suffering from the

same type of symptoms that many of us here have suffered from. I

would hang on to that neurologist, because he/she is a rare breed.

So many doctors deny the link between implants and illness, so it's

refreshing when someone finds a doctor who admits to the

connection.

I started getting sick from my saline implants about a week after

getting them, and had them removed after 6 months. Many don't get

sick as quickly as me, and I've seen alot of women who started

getting sick in around the same timeframe as you. How interesting

that your sisters have reacted to implants as well.

Make sure that your surgeon is going to use the en-bloc procedure

when removing your implants and uses drains.

Sis

>

> Hi, I am new to the group. I have had my implants for almost 9

> years.

> I first started having symptoms of muscle fatigue 2 years ago. I

am

> a runner and at first I attributed it to too much exercise.

However

> my fatige still exists. I have weeks when I am good and weeks

when

> the symptoms come back. Last month the symptoms became severe. I

> just didn't know how I was going to go through life in pain with

> having young children. It was debilitating to say the least.

Then

> last month my right arm, leg, and the side of my face went

numb. I

> spent 2 days in the hospital undergoing tests. All test are

> negative. My neurologist made a comment about my implants

possibly

> being the cause. The strange thing is that I have 2 sisters

with

> implants and one had them removed because she has an auto-immune

> disorder and my other sister ended up in the emergency room 2

years

> ago for the same symptoms that I am having. She still has not

> regained complete feeling in the left side of her body.

>

> I am having my implants removed next month. I hope that in time

and

> with detoxification I will be able to restore myself. I admit

that I

> really do love my implants but common sense tells me to not take

any

> chances and have them removed. I am so thankful that I came upon

> this website. It has been instrumental in helping me to make my

> final decision!

>

> Shelia

>

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Hi Shelia, Welcome to our group....and as you've discovered... the harsh realization that implants can cause strange symptoms to many hundreds and thousands of women. Your neurological symptoms have been experienced by so many others--I'm thinking Beth right now, as she had the numbness in her face as well. Numbness in the extremeties is quite common, but in the face it seems less so. And your sisters...how are they doing now? Did they have their implants removed properly? What is the autoimmune disorder that your sister has? Many women have completely normal test results. It can be very frustrating for both doctors and patients alike. However, I believe the area of adrenal hormones and the entire endocrine system is greatly overlooked and misunderstood. Otherwise, how can women be so sick and yet have no abnormal blood work? Obviously, something is

being overlooked and based on the symptoms of hormonal deficiencies-- which can take many years to become evident as you fluctuate within the normal ranges, yet have it be abnormal for YOU--I believe the answers lie within the endocrine system. Please make sure that you have a total capsulectomy when you get your implants out. That is so important. Most doctors are very negligent in this area, believing that the scar tissue doesn't necessarily have to come out. We strongly disagree, and believe based on some studies and articles on residual capsules that the entire scar capsule must be removed along with the implants. Make sure you discuss this thoroughly with your doctor and do not settle for less than a total capsulectomy. Keep us posted on your explant plans and please make sure all of your questions about a proper explant are answered before you proceed! You want to make

sure this is done right the first time, because if it isn't, more surgery can be in your future if you are not healing. Remember also that healing takes much time and effort, so patience and diligence are virtues! Patty shelialynn5 <shelialynn5@...> wrote: Hi, I am new to the group. I have had my implants for almost 9 years. I first started having symptoms of muscle fatigue 2 years ago. I am a runner and at first I

attributed it to too much exercise. However my fatige still exists. I have weeks when I am good and weeks when the symptoms come back. Last month the symptoms became severe. I just didn't know how I was going to go through life in pain with having young children. It was debilitating to say the least. Then last month my right arm, leg, and the side of my face went numb. I spent 2 days in the hospital undergoing tests. All test are negative. My neurologist made a comment about my implants possibly being the cause. The strange thing is that I have 2 sisters with implants and one had them removed because she has an auto-immune disorder and my other sister ended up in the emergency room 2 years ago for the same symptoms that I am having. She still has not regained complete feeling in the left side of her body. I am having my implants removed next month. I hope that in time and with detoxification I will be able to

restore myself. I admit that I really do love my implants but common sense tells me to not take any chances and have them removed. I am so thankful that I came upon this website. It has been instrumental in helping me to make my final decision!Shelia

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Dear Patty Thank you for your reply! Wow, I really appreciate all of the information you gave me. I have never even heard of a capsulectomy! Thank you for this vital info. I have also done research on the endocrine system. I had a female hormone panal run 2 years ago when the symptoms started and again, all was within normal range for my age. After my surgery, if I am not feeling better I plan on seeing an endocronologist. My sister has sarcoidosis! This is a auto immune disease where she has permanent scar tissue in her lungs. Although, it is contacted through a breathable substance she believes the implants compromised her immune system and has made her succeptable to numberous other conditions. She had a large tumor (non Cancerous) removed from above her knee cap. She has had a total of 13 surgeries all taking place within 2 years of getting breast implants.

She had extreme fatigue and sinus surgery twice, tonsils removed...honestly there have been so many that I can't recall what they have all been for. She felt immediate relief once the implants were removed and actually her lungs condition has also improved. My twin sister has yet to have her's removed. When I was laying in the hospital several doctors were quite interested in the fact that we all 3 have implants and we all 3 are sick! That's when my neurologist made a comment about not being a big fan of breast implants. He didn't elaborate a whole lot because of course Dr's are careful not to place blame. However, I felt he was very concerned. That's when I started doing some research. I will call the plactic surgeons office tomorrow and leave a message for the Dr. to call me! Thanks so Much! Shelia Tricia Trish <glory2glory1401@...> wrote: Hi Shelia, Welcome to our group....and as you've discovered... the harsh realization that implants can cause strange symptoms to many hundreds and thousands of women. Your neurological symptoms have been experienced by so many others--I'm thinking Beth right now, as she had the numbness in her face as well. Numbness in the extremeties is quite common, but in the face it seems less so. And your

sisters...how are they doing now? Did they have their implants removed properly? What is the autoimmune disorder that your sister has? Many women have completely normal test results. It can be very frustrating for both doctors and patients alike. However, I believe the area of adrenal hormones and the entire endocrine system is greatly overlooked and misunderstood. Otherwise, how can women be so sick and yet have no abnormal blood work? Obviously, something is being overlooked and based on the symptoms of hormonal deficiencies-- which can take many years to become evident as you fluctuate within the normal ranges, yet have it be abnormal for YOU--I believe the answers lie within the endocrine system. Please make sure that you have a total capsulectomy when you get your implants out. That is so important. Most doctors are very negligent in this area, believing

that the scar tissue doesn't necessarily have to come out. We strongly disagree, and believe based on some studies and articles on residual capsules that the entire scar capsule must be removed along with the implants. Make sure you discuss this thoroughly with your doctor and do not settle for less than a total capsulectomy. Keep us posted on your explant plans and please make sure all of your questions about a proper explant are answered before you proceed! You want to make sure this is done right the first time, because if it isn't, more surgery can be in your future if you are not healing. Remember also that healing takes much time and effort, so patience and diligence are virtues! Patty shelialynn5 <shelialynn5 > wrote: Hi, I am new to the group. I have had my implants for almost 9 years. I first started having symptoms of muscle fatigue 2 years ago. I am a runner and at first I attributed it to too much exercise. However my fatige still exists. I have weeks when I am good and weeks when the symptoms come back. Last month the symptoms became severe. I just didn't know how I was going to go through life in pain with having young children. It was debilitating to say the least. Then last month my right arm, leg, and the side of my face went numb. I spent 2 days in the hospital undergoing tests. All test are negative. My neurologist made a comment about my implants possibly being the cause. The strange thing is that I have 2 sisters with implants and one had them removed because she has an auto-immune disorder and my other sister ended up in the emergency room 2 years ago for the same symptoms that I

am having. She still has not regained complete feeling in the left side of her body. I am having my implants removed next month. I hope that in time and with detoxification I will be able to restore myself. I admit that I really do love my implants but common sense tells me to not take any chances and have them removed. I am so thankful that I came upon this website. It has been instrumental in helping me to make my final decision!Shelia Moody friends. Drama queens. Your life? Nope! - their life, your story.Play Sims Stories at Games.

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Dear Lynn You are right about doctors not feeling that implants could possibly be responsible for illnesses. I told my cosmetic surgeon about what was going on and she assured me that they were perfectly safe.....I told her that my reasearch said otherwise. But, she did seem to at least listen to me and told me I would feel alot better when they were out (meaning my back would no longer ache). It is big business and it is the #1 cosmetic procedure performed. I know they intentionally overlook the hazzards because they are making too much money! My sister has an incureable disease--Sarcoidosis (not sure about the spelling). It scars the lungs. It is contracted through a breatheable substance. It is rare and they don't know the substance that causes it. She feels much better and her breathing has been improved. I am concerned because

she never had drains!! Her energy level has returned and all of her other problems have improved. I also know she didn't have any scar tissue removed. She didn't do any reasearch, she just assumed removing the implant would be enough. Gee, I hate to be the bearer of "bad news". My other sister (my twin) has numbness on her left side that has not gone away. She needs hers out, but I think she is in denial that the implants are the ultimate cause. Her neurologist said that a virus can enter the spinal cord and cause those symptoms and they can be permanent. I think is is related because the breast implants cause problems with your immunity making you an easier target. What is the likelyhood that twin sister's with implants would end up in the emergency room almost 2 years apart with the same strange symtoms and NO known cause??? I am looking forward to the removal. Like you, I

like the way they look but not the way they feel and I really miss sleeping on my stomach! Thaks for Caring! SheliaLynn <spinkscl@...> wrote: Hi Sheila, welcome. I am so happy you found this board as well. I feel this board saved my life. I too had the fatigue you are talking about, so much that I thought

I would end up quiting my job. I have been explanted for 4 months now and gaining strength daily (although I do have bad days). Please make sure you read the files here and find a recommended doctor. Many doctors don't feel implants cause illness and won't perform explant correctly - - which can cause future problems and the need for more surgery. How is your sister who was explanted? I hope well. I am also having auto-immune issues caused by the implants. There are so many women on this board who have been through the detox process and are healthy again who can offer you advice and support. Oh, I too liked my appearance with implants but never cared for the feel of them. Mine were unnatural feeling. Now that I am explanted I love my soft natural breasts. Lynn Sick, Sick, Sick Hi, I am new to the group. I have had my implants for almost 9 years. I first started having symptoms of muscle fatigue 2 years ago. I am a runner and at first I attributed it to too much exercise. However my fatige

still exists. I have weeks when I am good and weeks when the symptoms come back. Last month the symptoms became severe. I just didn't know how I was going to go through life in pain with having young children. It was debilitating to say the least. Then last month my right arm, leg, and the side of my face went numb. I spent 2 days in the hospital undergoing tests. All test are negative. My neurologist made a comment about my implants possibly being the cause. The strange thing is that I have 2 sisters with implants and one had them removed because she has an auto-immune disorder and my other sister ended up in the emergency room 2 years ago for the same symptoms that I am having. She still has not regained complete feeling in the left side of her body. I am having my implants removed next month. I hope that in time and with detoxification I will be able to restore myself. I admit that I really do love my implants

but common sense tells me to not take any chances and have them removed. I am so thankful that I came upon this website. It has been instrumental in helping me to make my final decision!Shelia

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Shelia, Breast implants result in many unusual symptoms and diagnoses . . . I wouldn't be surprized if your sister's diagnosis is reversed after she gets her capsules removed and has time to detox. The body has an amazing ability to heal itself if given the opportunity to do so. Just read through the old messages if you have any doubt . . . pick some of the ladies and follow her though her experience. . . It never ceases to amaze me how blind the medical profession is. You may want to look up the diseases that miners who mine silica experience! Rogene

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Shelia, There are certain genetic types (HLA factors) who should never get breast implants! . . . It sounds like your family has the HLA types that predispose one to autoimmune conditions . .. Think of it as a trigger that breast implants pull. Anyone with a family history of autoimmune problems should be HLA typed before getting implants. . . I think Dr. Kolb does do this typing on women who are convinced they must have implants. Nevertheless, breast implants have never been proved SAFE! Hugs, Rogene

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Sheila,

Perhaps you can share this board with your twin sister? Let her read some of the files and see if she can relate to some of the symptoms she is now experiencing?? I know there are several women on the board who have had the numbness - luckily this was one thing I did not experience.

I have had so many doctors discount my personal research on the internet. You are lucky that your doctor at least seemed concerned. Most of mine said things like "let me guess, you saw it on the internet." I can't tell you how many doctors I have fired. You are right, implants are big business and God forbid doctors admit that they can cause illness. Implants make them $$ and us being sick makes them more $$. It can be very discouraging unless you find a good doctor.

I am so sorry your sister is sick with an incureable condition. I am happy that some of her symptoms have went away though. I too would be worried that she didn't have the capsules removed - yikes. If you read through past posting you will learn about the women who still have retained capsules which are making them sick. The capsules are the scar tissue which formed around the implant - more specifically around the SILICONE shell of the implant. When I received the labs back on my capsules, it showed histones. This means that my body was attacking the implants. My body was eating at that silicone shell and I am positive there was silicone in that scar tissue and I am so happy it is also out of my body.

I do hope you can see a recommended doctor. I saw Dr. Huang in Denver, she did a wonderful job. I am not sure if you have looked at the photos on Shutterfly or not, but you can see some before and afters photos. You can find the link on the home page, towards the bottom of the page - the password is implants.

Oh, and I love being able to sleep on my tummy : )

Hugs, Lynn

Sick, Sick, Sick

Hi, I am new to the group. I have had my implants for almost 9 years. I first started having symptoms of muscle fatigue 2 years ago. I am a runner and at first I attributed it to too much exercise. However my fatige still exists. I have weeks when I am good and weeks when the symptoms come back. Last month the symptoms became severe. I just didn't know how I was going to go through life in pain with having young children. It was debilitating to say the least. Then last month my right arm, leg, and the side of my face went numb. I spent 2 days in the hospital undergoing tests. All test are negative. My neurologist made a comment about my implants possibly being the cause. The strange thing is that I have 2 sisters with implants and one had them removed because she has an auto-immune disorder and my other sister ended up in the emergency room 2 years ago for the same symptoms that I am having.

She still has not regained complete feeling in the left side of her body. I am having my implants removed next month. I hope that in time and with detoxification I will be able to restore myself. I admit that I really do love my implants but common sense tells me to not take any chances and have them removed. I am so thankful that I came upon this website. It has been instrumental in helping me to make my final decision!Shelia

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Dear Rogene I am sure you are "right on it" about the HLA factors. Otherwise why would 3 sisters all be experiencing these symptoms. I am just thankful that mine will be gone in less than one month. Thanks again Rogene for your valuable insight!!! Have a great Day! SheliaRogene <saxony01@...> wrote: Shelia, There are certain genetic types (HLA factors) who should never get breast implants! . . .

It sounds like your family has the HLA types that predispose one to autoimmune conditions . .. Think of it as a trigger that breast implants pull. Anyone with a family history of autoimmune problems should be HLA typed before getting implants. . . I think Dr. Kolb does do this typing on women who are convinced they must have implants. Nevertheless, breast implants have never been proved SAFE! Hugs, Rogene

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--- In , " Marie Homan " <marieannett2269@...>

wrote:

>

> hello everyone. I am on Humira 40mg every other week. Also my med

> insurance is with the military, it's tricare prime. Well I started to

> get sick yesterday & now I am way worse!!! I feel like crap

> Here's the problem...I have to go through a network to get an appt to

> see my primary care Doctor & he dosn't have any open appts. for at

> least 30 days...should I go to the ER? I don't know what to do???

> thank you,

> Marie

>

Marie,

I hope you are feeling better and if not that you got some medical

care.I often wonder how all the medicine works and what it does to our

minds.I take twelve pills a day and some times more,the doctors say i

have to and in some of them i no i need them,i try and check on them by

reading up on them and asking questions.I will close for now,take

care. A CAREING PERSON-----NANCY

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I was a previous military wife. I lived in the middle of nowhere which

made things worse. I think that if you leave a message for your doctor

that they can approve you for a same-day appointment with maybe a PA or

maybe a local urgent care. It's tough I know. My doctor was ok, she

would get back to me w/in 24-48 hrs. That is better than 30 days. And

at least you can see someone in the mean time and then follow up with

your PCP. If you have questions, call tricare directly. Thats what I

had to do couple time. I hated going to the ER for non-emergency....ER

doctors don't have a clue what your RA medicines are doing.

Hope you feel better,

--- In , " Marie Homan " <marieannett2269@...>

wrote:

>

> hello everyone. I am on Humira 40mg every other week. Also my med

> insurance is with the military, it's tricare prime. Well I started to

> get sick yesterday & now I am way worse!!! I feel like crap

> Here's the problem...I have to go through a network to get an appt to

> see my primary care Doctor & he dosn't have any open appts. for at

> least 30 days...should I go to the ER? I don't know what to do???

> thank you,

> Marie

>

[Guest guest]

No experience with them, sorry. But I hope you get better fast.

Gayla

Bob and Gayla

Always Enough Ranch

Acampo, CA

sick, sick, sick

> Hi Team,

> I think I managed to poison myself 4 days ago

[Guest guest]

How much did you take??Just as with any herb, excess amounts could have potential for unpleasant side effects. It would be a good idea to occasionally take breaks from the use of cordyceps.

Try a water fast for a day or several and see if you can flush your system , but continue your milk thistle... how much are you taking of it.?

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From: cctux <cctux@...>Subject: sick, sick, sickhealth Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:46 PM

Hi Team,I think I managed to poison myself 4 days ago and wondering what some of you might recommend beyond what I am doing to support healing. First, I have been taking mega doses of vitamin c and msm for past few weeks. Also have been drinking liver tea and taking milk thistle during that time. Then 5 days ago, decided to try a cold coffee drink with liquid minerals, raw powdered cacao, powdered cordyceps, protein powder, and raw honey. Tasted great and no problem. The next day, made the same drink but added quite a big scoop of cordyceps. I sipped on it slowly over the next four hours. Then, blam, it hit me so hard I started getting cold sweats, some shaking and severe nausea. Within the next couple of hours, I had violent vommiting, diahrea (sp?) and severe stomach/liver pain. I am still sick with nausea, diahrea, and pain that I think is coming from the liver. Thought I was getting better yesterday,

but then had a bad night. I'm eating very little, not even much water. Not taking any medications, but continuing milk thistle. I figure it's just best to let it purge out of my system. I'm starting to get my strength back, but couldn't even sit up for long first 2 days. I assume it's a result of the high dose of cordyceps and/or it possibly triggered some kind of severe detox. Any suggestions or comments? Will definately be careful with the medicinal mushrooms from now on! (By the way, cordyceps are suppose to be rejuvinating for the liver.) Thanks for any thoughts.

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Hi Suzi,

I'm taking 2400mg in am and same in pm. Also drinking liver support tea daily. Only took cordyceps 2 days in a row! I really think they might have triggered some kind of heavy detox dump from all of the vit c and msm I was taking for a few weeks previous to the reaction. (I've taken cordyceps before without this reaction, just not in as large a dose!) I'm feeling much better though and will continue with the milk thistle. Thanks for response.

Peace on earth.

Cheryl

sick, sick, sickhealth Date: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:46 PM

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WHOA!!!! Recommended dosage is usually like 450 mg every couple or other day sometimes every day depending.... You need to cut back... you're causing your body stress.

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From: cctux <cctux@...>Subject: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] sick, sick, sickHAWK_Health_ AwarenessDate: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:46 PM

[Guest guest]

Thanks Suzi,

Wow! And I am taking less than the label recommends! They recommend 4 capsules 3 times daily for health maintenance and each capsule is 600 mg. I'll definitely cut back and read more about milk thistle. Thanks again!

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WHOA!!!! Recommended dosage is usually like 450 mg every couple or other day sometimes every day depending.... You need to cut back... you're causing your body stress.

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From: cctux <cctux@...>Subject: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] sick, sick, sickHAWK_Health_ AwarenessDate: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:46 PM

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Unless they've changed the standards... which could be.. but usually it's 450.... cut back and see how your body and you react.

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From: cctux <cctux@...>Subject: [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] sick, sick, sickHAWK_Health_ AwarenessDate: Saturday, July 18, 2009, 11:46 PM