Selenium

August 18, 2003

Hi, I will start taking it tomorrow..Acutally since we started

Chelation she has calmed down alot..and she is actually close to

being potty trained..we have seen an improvment since starting and

she actually has better days on the days we are chelating...I will

try this for a few weeks and see how it goes..

Thanks ..

> > Hi we have the vitamin shoppe brand (Selenomethionine) 100 Mcg

> 143%

> > .. I either have to give it with all her other supplements or at

> > lunch 30 minutes before eating with her enzymes..I know you said

to

> > give it away from the other supplements..We are also chelating

> (andys

> > protocol) We shall just hang in there..The melatonin seems to

help

> > also so If I notice her not getting tired after 0900 I will give

> her

> > the melatonin...I shall start talking the selenium also and see

how

> > it effects me...She is very hyper will the selenium make her more

> > hyper?? Im hoping for a calming effect after an adjustment

period..

> > What do you think...

> > Thanks for your help

> >

August 18, 2003

i am not happy about the rice filler so might try the

selenomethionine tablets.

> > > Hi we have the vitamin shoppe brand (Selenomethionine) 100 Mcg

> > 143%

> > > .. I either have to give it with all her other supplements or

at

> > > lunch 30 minutes before eating with her enzymes..I know you

said

> to

> > > give it away from the other supplements..We are also chelating

> > (andys

> > > protocol) We shall just hang in there..The melatonin seems to

> help

> > > also so If I notice her not getting tired after 0900 I will

give

> > her

> > > the melatonin...I shall start talking the selenium also and see

> how

> > > it effects me...She is very hyper will the selenium make her

more

> > > hyper?? Im hoping for a calming effect after an adjustment

> period..

> > > What do you think...

> > > Thanks for your help

> > >

August 26, 2003

I don't know what other people do, but I mix selenium in with some other

stuff so he gets it in 2 doses. I use seleniomethionine. Also, selenium from

wateroz.

They say 1-2 mcg/body pound. Nicky is just under 50 pounds and gets 100 mcg

plus the wateroz. He's gotten it for a long time and I've not seen any

problems but some would consider that high. You could go for half that amount.

marti

November 9, 2003

In a message dated 11/10/03 4:36:40 AM, JFerris@... writes:

> Where can I get the low down on the different forms of selenium?

> Also is it toxic to take more than 200mcg/day of any form or just the

> sodium selenite form?

>

, selenium in any form can be toxic if taken in too high of quantities.

However, some people have different needs for Se. if it is for yourself, you

can just creep up the dosages and see how you feel. For a child you are

meant to stay at 1-2 mcg/pound of child. So for a 50 pound child you do 50-100

mcg/day. I never worry about doing 100 mcg and have done even a little

higher for Nicky (who is about 50 pounds)

marti

November 10, 2003

Don't overdo the selenium without balancing it with some zinc.

S

>

Where can I get the low down on the different forms of selenium?

Also is it toxic to take more than 200mcg/day of any form or just the

sodium selenite form?

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November 10, 2003

what is the balance of the two. like a ratio? is there copper in selenium?

RE: [ ] selenium

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> Don't overdo the selenium without balancing it with some zinc.

> S

>

> >

> Where can I get the low down on the different forms of selenium?

> Also is it toxic to take more than 200mcg/day of any form or just the

> sodium selenite form?

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> >

> Where can I get the low down on the different forms of selenium?

> Also is it toxic to take more than 200mcg/day of any form or just the

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May 31, 2005

> We recently added this back in to my son's protocol. He more recently

> started having tics that are almost at seizure proportion. Can

> someone point me in the direction of proof that this is the culprit.

Stop giving it and see if the tics go away. Then add it it back and

see what happens.

Nell

May 31, 2005

> We recently added this back in to my son's protocol. He more recently

> started having tics that are almost at seizure proportion. Can

> someone point me in the direction of proof that this is the culprit.

Stop giving it for a few days, see what happens.

What dose are you using?

Dana

June 28, 2005

Bev,

You wrote:

> .... If you have what time of the day

> do you think is a good time to take?

Away from your other thyroid meds, since it probably uses calcium

carbonate as a binder. You should not supplement with more than 200 mcg

per day:

http://www.cce.cornell.edu/food/expfiles/topics/combs/seleniumqanda.html

The part about thyroid conversion is at the bottom.

Chuck

June 28, 2005

Thanks Chuck,

I am taking 100 mcg. a day for two weeks then I'm supposed to take 100 mcg. 2

times a week.

Bev

Chuck B <cblatchl@...> wrote:

Bev,

You wrote:

> .... If you have what time of the day

> do you think is a good time to take?

Away from your other thyroid meds, since it probably uses calcium

carbonate as a binder. You should not supplement with more than 200 mcg

per day:

http://www.cce.cornell.edu/food/expfiles/topics/combs/seleniumqanda.html

The part about thyroid conversion is at the bottom.

Chuck

December 2, 2005

In a message dated 03/12/2005 01:05:01 GMT Standard Time, director@...

writes:

Dr. Boyd Haley who continues with, " All detoxification

mechanisms have as the bases of the energy required to remove a toxicant the

need for Mg-ATP to drive the process. There is nothing done in the body

that does not use energy and without Mg2+ this energy can neither be made

nor used. "

>>>Agreed - and he also said, to me persnally, he leaves chelation to the

practitioners who know what they are doing

Mandi in UK

December 3, 2005

so, is selenium levels in the 50% percentile sufficient? trying to " get "

this. tx! vicki

December 3, 2005

> " This statement below is very interesting, as we have discussed on

Autism_iron , that the states that have the least amount of

selenium have the highest amount of autism, including the east and

west coast areas. "

What I wonder when I read this is how much of the food we eat is

actually grown in the area we live?

-S

December 3, 2005

What I wonder when I read this is how much of the food we eat is

> actually grown in the area we live?

This is a great point.

Not to dismiss the study on Selenium and its necessity for the body but the

east and west coast states namely NJ and CA have also some of the most ungodly

toxic waste releases.

Also having lived in Cedar Rapids IA which ranks among the 10th percentile of

dirties air in the US (from various industries but mostly food processing), I

notice the amazing rate of what could be undiagnosed autism cases around me.

Meeting children all the time that had very little to no functional language

by three years of age with substantial behavioral issues while their parents

casually told me that they will talk, that I was too worried and all my

speculations on my son's delays were all in my head.

I truly hope that some day more studies will be done to measure the true rates

of learning disabilities and industrial toxic releases.

Sorry if my comments are unrelated to selenium but I think finding the

solutions necessitate more integrated and interconnected approach to research.

I DO thank you for this discussion, I am going to add more selenium to Keyon's

supplements, Any suggestion as how much for a 30lb boy would be an optimum

amount.

Thanks,

Haleh

--- hanjkyla <kyleac@...> wrote:

> > " This statement below is very interesting, as we have discussed on

> Autism_iron , that the states that have the least amount of

> selenium have the highest amount of autism, including the east and

> west coast areas. "

>

> -S

>

December 4, 2005

> I DO thank you for this discussion, I am going to add more selenium

to Keyon's

> supplements, Any suggestion as how much for a 30lb boy would be an

optimum

> amount.

Adding selenium caused nice improvements for my son. I would give

100mcg [2 doses of 50mcg] and see if that works. You might want to

start with half that amount at first.

Dana

December 14, 2005

>

> Hi,

> Our son's doc has recommended that we start our son on a selenium

> supplement (hair test came back with very low levels). He has

> suggested a daily dose of 50ug/mcg. I haven't been able to find any

> info re rda for selenium in children, and I understand that it can be

> toxic in high doses (the bottle I have says selenium should not be

> given to kids under 15), so just wondering if others who are

> using/have used this supplement can advise what amount you are giving.

USRDA for adults is 70mcg. I gave my son 100mcg for several months,

until it started causing regression. Now I give him a small sprinkle

every few days, like 2x per week, and that works well for him.

Dana

December 15, 2005

I was put on Selenium years ago by my doc. It is one of those I take

probably three to four times per week.

December 15, 2005

Hi Ellen,

My Doc has had me on selenium for over two years....Has it helped?

Can't quite answer that one...I am in control of my Lupus , some call

it remission. I only take supplements that Doc has recommended and

most through testing. Happy Holidays!

Barb

>

> There was a report on the national news last night about selenium.

It evidently has been found effective in treating pain from

arthritis. Is this new news or old news to everyone? Do any of you

already include selenium in your regimen, and if so, do you find it

actually helps?

>

> Thanks.

>

> Ellen McCool

>

December 17, 2005

Ellen,

There are many web pages which link lack of selenium to RA. See for example

the NIH page

http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp

" Selenium and arthritis

Surveys indicate that individuals with rheumatoid arthritis, a chronic

disease that causes pain, stiffness, swelling, and loss of function in

joints, have reduced selenium levels in their blood [50-51]. In addition,

some individuals with arthritis have a low selenium intake [52]. "

Also see http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/10/101.cfm

" People with rheumatoid arthritis have been found to be low in a number of

nutrients. One study by Finnish researchers, for instance, found that

people with low blood levels of vitamin E, beta-carotene and selenium (a

mineral with anti-inflammatory properties) had more than eight times the

risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis compared with people with high

levels of these nutrients. "

Similar statements are made about other trace metals in relation to RA, in

particular magnesium, zinc, iron, copper and manganese. While the lack of a

mineral can develop the onset of an illness, what is left unsaid is whether

or not taking an excess of any mineral as a food supplement can cure any

chronic illnesses. I doubt it. In fact, there can be toxic effects.

My recommendation to all of us with an arthritic condition is to take a

daily multi-vitamin supplement with minerals so that we are not deficient

in any area. In particular, we should be taking plenty of vitamins B6, B12,

D and E.

Sincerely, Harald

At 02:33 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>There was a report on the national news last night about selenium. It

>evidently has been found effective in treating pain from arthritis. Is

>this new news or old news to everyone? Do any of you already include

>selenium in your regimen, and if so, do you find it actually helps?

>

>Thanks.

>Ellen McCool

December 17, 2005

Thank you, Harald. I belong to the support group to gather information for

my 35-year-old daughter who has systemic SD and multiple sclerosis. I'll

look at the web sites you indicated and try to find out if selenium is also

beneficial in her case.

Ellen

Re: rheumatic Selenium

> Ellen,

>

> There are many web pages which link lack of selenium to RA. See for

> example

> the NIH page

> http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp

>

> " Selenium and arthritis

> Surveys indicate that individuals with rheumatoid arthritis, a chronic

> disease that causes pain, stiffness, swelling, and loss of function in

> joints, have reduced selenium levels in their blood [50-51]. In addition,

> some individuals with arthritis have a low selenium intake [52]. "

>

> Also see http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/10/101.cfm

>

> " People with rheumatoid arthritis have been found to be low in a number of

> nutrients. One study by Finnish researchers, for instance, found that

> people with low blood levels of vitamin E, beta-carotene and selenium (a

> mineral with anti-inflammatory properties) had more than eight times the

> risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis compared with people with high

> levels of these nutrients. "

>

> Similar statements are made about other trace metals in relation to RA, in

> particular magnesium, zinc, iron, copper and manganese. While the lack of

> a

> mineral can develop the onset of an illness, what is left unsaid is

> whether

> or not taking an excess of any mineral as a food supplement can cure any

> chronic illnesses. I doubt it. In fact, there can be toxic effects.

>

> My recommendation to all of us with an arthritic condition is to take a

> daily multi-vitamin supplement with minerals so that we are not deficient

> in any area. In particular, we should be taking plenty of vitamins B6,

> B12,

> D and E.

>

> Sincerely, Harald

>

> At 02:33 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>

>>There was a report on the national news last night about selenium. It

>>evidently has been found effective in treating pain from arthritis. Is

>>this new news or old news to everyone? Do any of you already include

>>selenium in your regimen, and if so, do you find it actually helps?

>>

>>Thanks.

>>Ellen McCool

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

December 17, 2005

Ellen, Rheumatic groups, all..

I was tested by an alternative DR in Indiana a few years ago for selenium

because, he told me that an excess can cause problems as well. I was

actually a bit high in selenium, he thought due to the fact I ate a lot of

tuna then...Just wanted to put this out there..Debbie

Re: rheumatic Selenium

>

> > Ellen,

> >

> > There are many web pages which link lack of selenium to RA. See for

> > example

> > the NIH page

> > http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp

> >

> > " Selenium and arthritis

> > Surveys indicate that individuals with rheumatoid arthritis, a chronic

> > disease that causes pain, stiffness, swelling, and loss of function in

> > joints, have reduced selenium levels in their blood [50-51]. In

addition,

> > some individuals with arthritis have a low selenium intake [52]. "

> >

> > Also see http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/10/101.cfm

> >

> > " People with rheumatoid arthritis have been found to be low in a number

of

> > nutrients. One study by Finnish researchers, for instance, found that

> > people with low blood levels of vitamin E, beta-carotene and selenium (a

> > mineral with anti-inflammatory properties) had more than eight times the

> > risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis compared with people with high

> > levels of these nutrients. "

> >

> > Similar statements are made about other trace metals in relation to RA,

in

> > particular magnesium, zinc, iron, copper and manganese. While the lack

of

> > a

> > mineral can develop the onset of an illness, what is left unsaid is

> > whether

> > or not taking an excess of any mineral as a food supplement can cure any

> > chronic illnesses. I doubt it. In fact, there can be toxic effects.

> >

> > My recommendation to all of us with an arthritic condition is to take a

> > daily multi-vitamin supplement with minerals so that we are not

deficient

> > in any area. In particular, we should be taking plenty of vitamins B6,

> > B12,

> > D and E.

> >

> > Sincerely, Harald

> >

> > At 02:33 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

> >

> >>There was a report on the national news last night about selenium. It

> >>evidently has been found effective in treating pain from arthritis. Is

> >>this new news or old news to everyone? Do any of you already include

> >>selenium in your regimen, and if so, do you find it actually helps?

> >>

> >>Thanks.

> >>Ellen McCool

> >

> > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> >

December 17, 2005

Ellen,

Go to www.google.com and do a search on the following:

+selenium + " multiple sclerosis "

160,000 pages will come up. The following is an excerpt from the first

search result:

http://www.selene.com/healthlink/scleros.html

" Although the definitive cause of MS is unknown, a growing number of

scientific studies suggest that nutrition may be a very important factor.

Nutrition oriented health care practitioners have noticed that early MS can

be helped by optimizing nutritional status with respect to essential fatty

acids, amino acids, minerals such as zinc, selenium and magnesium and B

vitamins, especially vitamin B12 and folic acid.

In my practice, I have noted tremendous subjective improvements in many

M.S. patients after a series of vitamin B 12 and folic acid injections. Not

only did all these patients have greater energy after vitamin B 12 and

folic acid treatments, but, objectively, there were improvements in nerve

conduction studies done by neurologists. Spontaneous remission? Not likely

because both vitamins have been demonstrated to improve nerve cell

function. It is indeed possible that some cases of M.S. are really B

vitamin deficiencies in disguise. "

It interesting to note that the same food supplements are suggested for SD

and RA. This suggests that the root causes may be related.

Sincerely, Harald

At 08:48 PM 12/17/2005 -0500, you wrote:

>Thank you, Harald. I belong to the support group to gather information

>for my 35-year-old daughter who has systemic SD and multiple

>sclerosis. I'll look at the web sites you indicated and try to find out

>if selenium is also beneficial in her case.

>

>Ellen

December 18, 2005

FYI ... My doctor has me on 200 mg of selenium a day. She doesn't recommend

taking more than 200 mg per day.

Re: rheumatic Selenium

> >

> > > Ellen,

> > >

> > > There are many web pages which link lack of selenium to RA. See for

> > > example

> > > the NIH page

> > > http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/selenium.asp

> > >

> > > " Selenium and arthritis

> > > Surveys indicate that individuals with rheumatoid arthritis, a chronic

> > > disease that causes pain, stiffness, swelling, and loss of function in

> > > joints, have reduced selenium levels in their blood [50-51]. In

> addition,

> > > some individuals with arthritis have a low selenium intake [52]. "

> > >

> > > Also see

http://www.mothernature.com/Library/Bookshelf/Books/10/101.cfm

> > >

> > > " People with rheumatoid arthritis have been found to be low in a

number

> of

> > > nutrients. One study by Finnish researchers, for instance, found that

> > > people with low blood levels of vitamin E, beta-carotene and selenium

(a

> > > mineral with anti-inflammatory properties) had more than eight times

the

> > > risk of developing rheumatoid arthritis compared with people with high

> > > levels of these nutrients. "

> > >

> > > Similar statements are made about other trace metals in relation to

RA,

> in

> > > particular magnesium, zinc, iron, copper and manganese. While the lack

> of

> > > a

> > > mineral can develop the onset of an illness, what is left unsaid is

> > > whether

> > > or not taking an excess of any mineral as a food supplement can cure

any

> > > chronic illnesses. I doubt it. In fact, there can be toxic effects.

> > >

> > > My recommendation to all of us with an arthritic condition is to take

a

> > > daily multi-vitamin supplement with minerals so that we are not

> deficient

> > > in any area. In particular, we should be taking plenty of vitamins B6,

> > > B12,

> > > D and E.

> > >

> > > Sincerely, Harald

> > >

> > > At 02:33 PM 12/15/2005 -0500, you wrote:

> > >

> > >>There was a report on the national news last night about selenium. It

> > >>evidently has been found effective in treating pain from arthritis.

Is

> > >>this new news or old news to everyone? Do any of you already include

> > >>selenium in your regimen, and if so, do you find it actually helps?

> > >>

> > >>Thanks.

> > >>Ellen McCool

> > >

> > > To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

> > >

December 18, 2005

YEs! It is mcg not mg!!! Thanks for the correction.

rheumatic Selenium

>

> MG? not mcg?

>

> > FYI ... My doctor has me on 200 mg of selenium a day. She doesn't

> recommend

> > taking more than 200 mg per day.

> >

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