absolutes

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Hello everyone,

Can anyone share with me how to make an absolute or where to purchase them?

I am interested in rose, tueberose, and violet absolutes. Thanks!

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Thanks Janet! Just so I do not call up and embarass myself, are we talking

in the $20.00 or $100.00 dollar an ounce range?

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Janet,

My pulse is racing. How bad do I want the absolutes? For once there is an

easy question to answer. As the valley girls say, " Oh my gawd. "

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Do you know if an EO can be used in place of an absolute when making (okay

attempting to make) perfume?

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[Guest guest]

Are absolutes and hydosels the same thing?

> An absolute has to do with the way the oil is collected. You probably know

> that but if you want good EO's go to Butch at http://www.av-at.com/ for the

> best.

>

May you get everything you want in life,

not just what you deserve.

[Guest guest]

Sage

Ch-Imports has Rose and Tuberose absolutes

336-282-9734

jbollini@...

No he does not have a web site.

They aren't cheap!

Janet

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> Hello everyone,

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> Can anyone share with me how to make an absolute or

> where to purchase them?

> I am interested in rose, tueberose, and violet

> absolutes. Thanks!

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[Guest guest]

An absolute has to do with the way the oil is collected. You probably know

that but if you want good EO's go to Butch at http://www.av-at.com/ for the

best.

Chris

www.womenintouch.com/page711896.htm

Re: absolutes

Hello everyone,

Can anyone share with me how to make an absolute or where to purchase them?

I am interested in rose, tueberose, and violet absolutes. Thanks!

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((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´*

[Guest guest]

No, I would think higher.

Chris

www.womenintouch.com/page711896.htm

Re: absolutes

Thanks Janet! Just so I do not call up and embarass myself, are we talking

in the $20.00 or $100.00 dollar an ounce range?

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Sage-

You would not be embarassed you would have fainted

before that

1 oz rose ab pure maroc (rosa centifolia)

175.44

Cheaper by the lb 1355.38

Rose Ab 10% in jojoba 37.66 an oz 292.50 a lb

Tuberose ab France (Polianthes tuberosa)

699.00 an oz

Call for price quote for larger quantities.

I am sure he would sent you a very very small sample.

Now I must say Sage I did not shop around for other

pricing on this. I guess the question becomes how bad

do you want it? LOL

Janet

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> Thanks Janet! Just so I do not call up and embarass

> myself, are we talking

> in the $20.00 or $100.00 dollar an ounce range?

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[Guest guest]

> Hello everyone,

>

> Can anyone share with me how to make an absolute or

> where to purchase them?

> I am interested in rose, tueberose, and violet

> absolutes. Thanks!

>

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> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

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Hi Sage,

Try Camden Grey http://www.essentialoil.net/. Lots of great products at

good prices!

Violet leaf abs. Viola odorata SE Egypt Flower

1/32oz @ 6.06

1/16oz @ 9.10

1/8oz @14.58

1/4oz @ 26.50

1/2oz @ 48.57

1 oz @ 87.43

This is just one of the ones you were looking for. Check them out. Good

luck.

Juniper Spayth

www.JunipersDejavu.com

JunipersDejavu@...

228-522-1846

[Guest guest]

I don't see why not. There really is no correlation between absolute which

is a way of collecting an oil from it's source and EO's which are any

essential oil. Go to Butch's site and read read read. If you have

questions ask him he is very understanding and will give you lots of help.

Cat too is someone else that is very good at this.

Chris

www.womenintouch.com/page711896.htm

Re: absolutes

Do you know if an EO can be used in place of an absolute when making (okay

attempting to make) perfume?

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((¸¸.·´ ..·´ -:¦:- Sage -:¦:-

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[Guest guest]

No Hydrosols are the water that are left over from the steam distillation

process. Not all EO's are collected by steam distillation.

Chris

www.womenintouch.com/page711896.htm

Re: ABSOLUTES

> Are absolutes and hydosels the same thing?

>

> > An absolute has to do with the way the oil is collected. You probably

know

> > that but if you want good EO's go to Butch at http://www.av-at.com/ for

the

> > best.

> >

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> May you get everything you want in life,

> not just what you deserve.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Some fragrances are only available as absolutes. Essential oils are usually

obtained by steam distillation, and certain flowers (jasmine is one that

comes to mind) are too delicate to withstand the high temperature.

In this case a solvent (alcohol, hexane, etc.) is used to extract the

volatile oils and then it is evaporated off, leaving the absolute.

As a general rule, use the e.o.'s as you would the absolutes, measure for

measure.

Hope this helps!

Cat >^-.-^<

> Do you know if an EO can be used in place of an absolute when making (okay

> attempting to make) perfume?

[Guest guest]

At 06:41 AM 3/13/02 +0000, you wrote:

>Do you know if an EO can be used in place of an absolute when making (okay

>attempting to make) perfume?

there is going to be a distinct difference in the result...the difference

btwn a steam distilled EO and an absolute is...amazing.

each can make a good perfume, but there will be a big difference...

and, re the mention earlier... btwn rose essential oil and rose

absolute... the oil mentioned was damascena, but they mentioned rosa

centifolia absolute...again, night and day...like comparing jasmine

grandiflora and jasmine sambac... two different species.

to really judge the absolute and compare it to rosa damascena essential

oil, you need to get a damascena absolute.

in MOST (but perhaps not all!) cases, the absolute will be more aromatic,

richer and fuller, than the steam distilled oil, because more aromatics

come thru the process of solvent extraction than come thru in steam

distillation.

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At 06:41 AM 3/13/02 +0000, you wrote:

>Are absolutes and hydosels the same thing?

nowhere near!

A hydrosol is a steam distilled water...the 'other distillate' produced by

the steam distillation process that yields essential oils.

An absolute is a solvent extracted natural fragrance, similar to an

essential oil....

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At 06:41 AM 3/13/02 +0000, you wrote:

> > I am interested in rose, tuberose, and violet

> > absolutes. Thanks!

there is no violet absolute being produced... there is a violet LEAF

absolute...not sure if this is what you mean.

On something as costly as most absolutes I would STRONGLY urge you to get

samples from the different suppliers you are considering.

first of all, the difference in the " same " absolute from different

producers can be like night and day...we have Osmanthus absolute from a

Chinese producer...bright, light, liquid sunshine... and another Osmanthus

from a european supplier...deep, complex, a 'night' scent... same plant,

different artist producing the absolute.

An employee about a year or so ago purchased a small amount of Jasmine

Grandiflora from another online supplier... it was definitely Jasmine

grand...same aroma...but it matched, in intensity, our 10% dilution. Now,

our undiluted Jasmine sells for twice the price of what my employee

bought... but our 10% sells for far less, and would go at least as far in

blending...

so...because the precious aromatics ARE all different, and available in

different...levels of dilution???... you owe it to yourself to first get

samples.

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[Guest guest]

Marge,

Thanks for the advice. I find myself reluctant to get samples and see that

it is really something I need to do.

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[Guest guest]

I believe that one of our list members is Sunroseromatics from New

York. Roe send me some delicious black currant several years ago..she

has wonderful oils.

C-M

[Guest guest]

On Feb 14, 2008, at 8:51 AM, Teannia wrote:

> I understand that they must be dissolved in oil or

> alcohol but how do you determine how much oil or alcohol? I've heard

> 50% ,20% and 10% dilutions. How do you decide on percentage? Is this

> for safety concerns? I know these questions may sound silly, but being

> a newbie, better safe than sorry. I've looked on the internet and

> read a few books without coming away with anything except what

> absolutes are.

> I hope someone can help.

I use all my materials, absolutes, concretes, etc., undiluted when

blending perfumes.

[Guest guest]

>

> Hi,

>

> <snip> I have purchased a few essential oils and absolutes,

> hoping to try something soon. My questions are pertaining to absolutes

> and diluting. I understand that they must be dissolved in oil or

> alcohol but how do you determine how much oil or alcohol? I've heard

> 50% ,20% and 10% dilutions. How do you decide on percentage? Is this

> for safety concerns? I know these questions may sound silly, but being

> a newbie, better safe than sorry. <snip>

>

> Teannia

>

Hi Teannia (what a lovely name!),

There are several reasons for dilution of materials. Safety can

definitely play a part, especially if you're talking about dilution

for the purpose of wearing ingredients on your skin.

Also, there are many ingredients that, in their concentrated form, can

smell very differently from how they smell diluted. Some are even

quite offensive until they're diluted way down (one, in particular, is

hyraceum).

I find that it helps to dilute part of an absolute so that I can tell

what it smells like in the form that it will take in a blend, while

still keeping a portion of the material undiluted. I still like to be

able to smell the full-force, undiluted material, just to keep that in

my nose/brain as well. Okay, except for (again) hyraceum, which could

practically curl your fingernails - even diluted.

So -- how much to dilute? Some folks go with a standard, like 10%.

However, there are several books out there that have sections devoted

specifically to the dilution percentages of different ingredients. I

know at least one of the online books that we have links to here on

the NP site covers the subject. Go to: Links > Old Perfume &

Cosmetics Texts Available Online. I'm sorry that I can't think of

which one(s) at the moment, but I'm pretty certain that I remember

seeing the info there. Can anyone else remember which online books

deal with dilution?

Cheers!

Andrine

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>

>

> So -- how much to dilute? Some folks go with a standard, like 10%.

> However, there are several books out there that have sections devoted

> specifically to the dilution percentages of different ingredients. I

> know at least one of the online books that we have links to here on

> the NP site covers the subject. Go to: Links > Old Perfume &

> Cosmetics Texts Available Online. I'm sorry that I can't think of

> which one(s) at the moment, but I'm pretty certain that I remember

> seeing the info there. Can anyone else remember which online books

> deal with dilution?

>

> Cheers!

> Andrine

>

Thank you Andrine,

Your explanations have made things clearer for me. I will also do as

you suggested check the links.

Teannia

[Guest guest]

>

> I use all my materials, absolutes, concretes, etc., undiluted when

> blending perfumes.

Adam, thank you for giving me another option. I never thought of that.

Teannia

[Guest guest]

Dear Teannia,

Being fairly new at this also, I know how you feel, it is all a

bit confusing at first. Just keep reading and asking questions, this

group is absolutely wonderful, and has helped me enormously. I'm

learning every day!!!! One of the frustrating things I found when

reading was the different measuring methods used by different people

to convey ratios. Then when you read the old books, it is really

confusing. Some use tablespoons, some use millimeters, some ounces,

you get the drift. I wish everyone would use the same measuring

methods. I have the same complaint about the sellers of essential

oils, I wish they would all use millimeters, or metric in general,

not different tables of measurement.

When I first started I was very confused, and it was Adam who

directed me to Mandy Aftel's book " ESSENCE & ALCHEMY " . I had already

purchased it at the time, but had not read it yet. He suggested her

formulation method of 60 drops of essential oil (essence), to 15 ml

of Alcohol. The recommended ratio being 24 drops top, 18 drops

middle, 18 drops base (60 drops total to 15 ml alcohol). There are

approx. 40 drops to 1 ml, so 15 ml = 600 drops, 60/600). I use 3

containers marked for ml. I take the alcohol and devide it by 3, so 5

ml in each container, so that is 20 drops essence to 5 ml alcohol, or

20/200,(I use a small shot glass type measuring device I got at SUR

LA TABLE, which works great for small batches). Then you can devide

the oils in 1/3's if you wish (or as recommended above), so that

would be 20 drops top, 20 drops middle, 20 drops base. Each is

seperated now, so you can work on them individually before they are

combined. This yeilds an approx. 10% solution. From this point you

can add more alcohol or essence depending on the strength you want

(or to fix problems). There are variable ranges on strength ratios

and categories, from Perfume to Toilet Water, which you can find in

many books.

The nice thing about blending the notes in seperate containers

is that you can try them seperately to see how they smell on your

skin. It is kind of like cooking. When you get them right, or

corrected, you can combine them in a larger container, filter into a

bottle, and see how it turns out. Keep notes of how many drops of

each essence you put in top, middle and base. Then you can fix what

is not quite right, or if good, re-create it.

I am sure that everyone has there own methods for mixing, but

this one helped me grasp the concept, and I was able to move forward

from there (thanks Adam and Mandy). I hope this helps you!!!! Read

that book, and any you can find. I have a whole shelf now devoted to

perfumery (also the archives on here area good source also)!!!!

Best regards,

Rich

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chirichie2004 <chirichie2004@...> wrote: Dear Teannia,

I am sure that everyone has there own methods for mixing, but

this one helped me grasp the concept, and I was able to move forward

from there (thanks Adam and Mandy). I hope this helps you!!!! Read

that book, and any you can find. I have a whole shelf now devoted to

perfumery (also the archives on here area good source also)!!!!

Best regards,

Rich

Hi Rich and All

You will find your own way when it comes to blending and inspiring after

reading invaluable information....in the end it is what works for you......

something will click along the way .... but may I suggest that you get to grips

with the understanding of the individual oils, their families and the whether

they are top middle or base notes.... you will find that some notes are fleeting

others take over... this is called your scent memory which shall be invaluable

as you grow as a budding natural perfumer. Play with the Carles method of

building accords and above all don't be afraid to try things.... Carles method

of linear, vertical notes are invaluable and can be found in the photos section

that Anya kindly put up.....Also there really is mountains of valuable

information in the files.... get comfortable and enjoy some serious sessions

with them.... and the books recommendations are invaluable.... Arctander a must

for every perfumer and Anya is able to offer this

book through allure at a discount for members here... I believe she posted up

recently too... You can also download books...

Every good wish, Janita

Janita Haan Natural Perfume

Flowers of Myddfai project http://www.tiny.cc/flowers817

Janita's Attar http://www.janitasattars.blogspot.com

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