Guest guest Posted November 12, 1999 Report Share Posted November 12, 1999 Hi , Dr. Gabe Mirkin is reporting good results with doxycycline for osteoarthritis. Dr. Brown said that a large number of osteoarthritis patients had rheumatoid arthritis also. Perhaps your mum's doctor might prescribe for her? Chris. My mother supposedly has osteoarthritis. Her Dr. has rececently put her on Salsalate (aka disalcid and trilisate). Since she has been taking this drug (750mg 4 times a day) she is experiencing aching skin, and muchmore pain all through her body. She says she feels like she has the flu, but no fever. She can barely walk now. Her Dr. says he doesn't know what to do and doesn't know why this is happening. Does anyone have info on this drug or has anyone had experience taking it? Thanks K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 1999 Report Share Posted December 3, 1999 Hi , Dr. Gabe Mirkin is using doxycycline for osteoarthritis with success. Apparently a large percentage of osteoarthritis cases have a rheumatoid component. You might like to look at Dr. Mirkin's web site at www.wdn.com/~mirkin or there are some extracts from his radio programs at rheumatic.org/mirkin.htm. Chris. Hi everyone. Is there a website for osteoarthritis like this one for rheumatoid arthritis? My husband has osteo, and he has seen how well I responded to antibiotics, and he wants to try it also. He is presently on plaquenil, and I have told him constantly to get off it, so he is willing to try it now. I understand the antibiotic of choice is tetracycline, is that right? Thanks again for all the info from this wonderful group. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 4, 2000 Report Share Posted January 4, 2000 Hello, Agnes, I did not respond to you yesterday because I knew there were far more informed people than I who would. I did, however, come across this article last night which I had misplaced. I had copied it for my mother to show to HER doctor. go to www.nih.gov/nia/new/press/minocycl.htm for an article called MINOCYCLINE- PROMISING TREATMENT FOR OSTEOPOROSIS. Perhaps this will help you both. Welcome to the support site here. If the info is available, these wonderful people here will find it for you. I have only been on the AP since the middle of December and I can tell you I would have been lost in the storm without them. Get a mindset that this is slow going and read and understand the steps forward-backward theory, then get in it for the duration. This group will help you not falter. Warm regards, p.s. if you cannot access the site, let me know and I will scan and paste as an attachment but I think you can find it. aewinchell@... wrote: > From: aewinchell@... > > Hi Group, > > I got interested in the AP for RA because my sister had RA for 20 > years and she started the AP about 8 months ago with good results. I > was diagnosed with FMS a few years ago and I was managing so-so this > far, I mean until I got a bad case of osteoarthritis, very suddenly > about 6 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. I would like to try the > Ap for this and I need help from you all. Did anybody do the AP for > osteo.? Did it help? My insurance does treat RA with minocycline > but I don't know if they would do it for osteo. also. If I have some > stories to back me up I will push for it. > > Thanks for listening, > Agnes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Oh BTW, i bought pharmaceutical grade msm from the health store. I dont trust buying this on the internet. Subject: Re: rheumatic osteoarthritis > I seem to be having improvement with my osteo knees by taking msm 4000 mg > and 1500 mg glucosamine. By doctor actually recomended msm to my suprise > saying he had patients improve using it. I was on crutches 6 weeks ago, and > im walking around (slowly) now. I notice much less grinding crunching going > on. > > > > rheumatic osteoarthritis > > > > From: aewinchell@... > > > > Hi Group, > > > > I got interested in the AP for RA because my sister had RA for 20 > > years and she started the AP about 8 months ago with good results. I > > was diagnosed with FMS a few years ago and I was managing so-so this > > far, I mean until I got a bad case of osteoarthritis, very suddenly > > about 6 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. I would like to try the > > Ap for this and I need help from you all. Did anybody do the AP for > > osteo.? Did it help? My insurance does treat RA with minocycline > > but I don't know if they would do it for osteo. also. If I have some > > stories to back me up I will push for it. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > Agnes > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Agnes, Congratulations to you and your sister on starting the AP. I am glad you found it and your sister is doing so well, even after having RA for 20 years. I have RA and a little osteo also and I believe doxycycline is used for osteo. As I am on Minocin I can't advise on this but I'm sure others will know the dosage and the right antibiotic. Bev > > Hi Group, > > I got interested in the AP for RA because my sister had RA for 20 > years and she started the AP about 8 months ago with good results. I > was diagnosed with FMS a few years ago and I was managing so-so this > far, I mean until I got a bad case of osteoarthritis, very suddenly > about 6 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. I would like to try the > Ap for this and I need help from you all. Did anybody do the AP for > osteo.? Did it help? My insurance does treat RA with minocycline > but I don't know if they would do it for osteo. also. If I have some > stories to back me up I will push for it. > > Thanks for listening, > Agnes > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Dr. Brown observed that a large number of osteoarthritis cases also contained a rheumatoid component. Hence the antibiotic approach would improve these cases also. Dr. Gabe Mirkin (see his website at www.wdn.com/~mirkin) is using doxycycline, 200mg per day, for his osteoarthritis patients with good results. Chris. >From: aewinchell@... > >Hi Group, > >I got interested in the AP for RA because my sister had RA for 20 >years and she started the AP about 8 months ago with good results. I >was diagnosed with FMS a few years ago and I was managing so-so this >far, I mean until I got a bad case of osteoarthritis, very suddenly >about 6 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. I would like to try the >Ap for this and I need help from you all. Did anybody do the AP for >osteo.? Did it help? My insurance does treat RA with minocycline >but I don't know if they would do it for osteo. also. If I have some >stories to back me up I will push for it. > >Thanks for listening, >Agnes > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 Hi, Agness, The American College of Rheumatoloy conference at the end of last year included tetracyclines, of which minocycline is one, in a discussion of therapeutic agents for OA. They also mentioned glucosamine and others. Here is a rather long article copied from Medscape. The mention of tetracyclines is brief, and toward the middle of the page. Maybe this will help with your insurance company. Jean -------------------- Systemic Drug Therapy of Osteoarthritis Shadick, MD, MPH In this session,[1] the state of the art in osteoarthritis (OA) therapy was introduced. In the last several years there have been advances in the understanding of the pathophysiology and epidemiology of OA, and several new compounds are available to modify symptoms of OA. There are also new compounds in clinical trials that suggest a possible beneficial structural effect. OA: A Highly Prevalent and Costly Disorder The prevalence of OA in the general population is increasing. Currently, there are 20 million individuals affected by OA of at least 1 joint.[2] The prevalence is expected to increase to 40 million individuals in the year 2020. OA is the most common form of arthritis and the second most common cause of long-term disability among adults.[2] OA is the cause of 7 million physician visits per year and 3 million hospitalizations per year, and the average medical costs per person yearly is $2655.[3] Among people aged 65 years and older, 70% have signs of OA. Among individuals older than 65 years, 46% are severely disabled and unable to work secondary to their OA. Maxime Dougados, MD, of the Universite Rene Descartes, Hopital Cochin, in Paris, France, commented on the etiology of OA.[4] He acknowledged that biomechanical factors play an important role in the pathogenesis of OA, but his talk focused on systemic therapies for OA. He did not discuss intra-articular injections of hyaluronate sodium or glucocorticoids. In addition, the risk factors for developing incident OA or worsening OA, such as older age, obesity, and, particularly in knee OA, a history of trauma, repetitive overuse, and sex and race characteristics, also were not discussed. Articular Cartilage Structure Dr. Dougados discussed the central role that cartilage plays in the pathogenesis of OA. Cartilage contains water, proteoglycans, and collagen. Proteoglycans are composed of a protein core with glycosaminoglycan components, chondroitin sulfate, and keratan sulfate, which link with hyaluronic acid. Type II collagen is the major component of articular cartilage and contribute to the structural integrity of cartilage. Inflammatory mediators such as interleukin 1 (IL-1) and tumor necrosis factor alpha (TNF-alpha) are increased in the damaged cartilage, however, matrix metalloproteinases and prostaglandins in the synovial fluid and chondrocytes are increased. Metalloproteinases, collagenases, gelatinases, and stomolysins degrade collagen and proteoglycans. Nitrous oxide production increases and chondrocyte apoptosis occurs. As OA progresses, cartilage is degraded, and the mechanics of joint use change, which further promotes arthritis and the process continues. Dr. Dougados reiterated that cartilage breakdown is the main feature of OA. Insulin growth factor and transforming growth factor beta are compounds that stimulate cartilage matrix synthesis. Dr. Dougados explained inflammation in OA. He remarked that inflammation comes from the synovial membrane (synovitis), from the cartilage (chondritis), and within the subchondral bone (osteitis). Chondritis occurs secondary to IL-1 and/or IL-6, in which the chondrocyte synthesizes prostaglandins in response to these cytokines. Osteitis occurs when the damage spreads to the subchondral bone, most evident on radiographs with sclerosis and subchondral cyst formation. Synovitis also occurs frequently with OA, and the degree of inflammation predicts response to nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs). Objectives of OA Therapy Dr. Dougados commented that the objectives of therapy for OA are to reduce the level of pain, reduce inflammation, and slow cartilage degradation. In particular, a clinician should focus on improving function and reducing disability. Since cartilage is not innervated, pain comes from surrounding areas within or near the joint capsule such as the synovial membrane, periarticular muscle spasm, periarticular ligament, or subchondral bone inflammation. In addition to the inflammatory response, neuropeptides (eg, substance P, calcitonin gene-related peptide, bradykinin) and peripheral opiod receptors also contribute to the sensation of pain. Treatment Options Dr. Dougados first discussed glucosamine sulfate and chondroitin sulfate, which are available as a food supplements in the United States and Canada, but are approved as drugs in Europe and South America. Subsequently, there are ongoing clinical trials with these agents in Europe. One large ongoing National Institutes of Health-sponsored clinical trial of glucosamine sulfate is under way, funded by the Institute of Complementary and Alternative Medicine. There are no preliminary data available from this trial as yet. Dr. Dougados listed the following systemic therapies for OA: * Analgesics * NSAIDs * Myorelaxants * Vitamin supplementation with C, D, and E * Oligoelements supplementation: selenium, copper * Estrogen replacement therapy * Cartilage extracts: chondroitin sulfate, glucosamine sulfate * Avocado and soybean unsaponifiables * Diacerein * Tetracyclines and other matrix metalloproteinase inhibitors Categories of Evidence Dr. Dougados prefaced his talk on therapies by defining the categories of evidence for efficacy. He stated that the best data come from meta-analyses of randomized clinical trials followed by the evidence from one randomized controlled trial. Evidence from expert opinions are useful but " less objective and reliable. " He remarked that there are also shortcomings in OA research in that there is a lack of standard case definitions and outcome measures. Dr. Dougados proposed that an outcome variable that measures the percentage of responders or " lack of progressors " would be useful to include in clinical trials. Prevention of OA Dr. Dougados stated that there are currently no data available to suggest that the intake of any compound might prevent OA. There is a longitudinal epidemiological study that shows a potential beneficial effect of estrogen replacement in postmenopausal women[5] and examines the relationship between OA and serum vitamin D levels.[5] The epidemiological data suggest that low serum vitamin D levels may be associated with radiographic joint space narrowing. Analgesics vs NSAIDs The American College of Rheumatology (ACR) recommends the use of acetaminophen as a first-line agent for OA given concerns of gastrointestinal and renal toxic effects. Dr. Dougados clarified that current ACR recommendations regarding the first-line use of acetaminophen should be modified given the availability of the cyclooxygenase (COX) 2 inhibitors.[6] Several meta-analyses evaluating placebo-controlled trials show that both analgesics and NSAIDs improve symptoms of OA within hours to days. The studies point out that NSAIDs are more effective than acetaminophen in the case of night-time pain or pain at rest. No difference has been shown between acetaminophen and NSAIDs with use-related joint pain.[7] Dr. Dougados commented on the LINK trial that compares the radiological progression of knee OA. Naproxen use showed no deleterious structural effect at 2 years compared with a previous trial of indomethacin, which suggests that long-term use of this drug hastened joint space narrowing.[8] COX-1 vs COX-2 Treatments Many office visits for OA involve a prescription for an NSAID and it is most often prescribed for the elderly. Given their adverse effects, however, the use of these drugs is often discontinued. Common adverse effects of NSAIDs are dyspepsia and reversible platelet inhibition in more than 10% of patients, with gastrointestinal bleeding or ulceration in between 1% and 10% of patients. Because of the risk of serious gastrointestinal bleeding, COX-2 inhibitors offer similar efficacy and fewer adverse effects.[9] Membrane phospholipids are cleaved to arachidonic acid which is then cleaved by COXs to prostaglandins and thromboxanes. The recent discovery and characterization of 2 isoenzymes of COX have helped better target NSAID therapy to reduce gastrointestinal adverse effects. COX-1 is present in many tissues and is cytoprotective in the gastric mucosa endothelium, platelets, and kidneys. Inhibiting COX-1 is responsible for many adverse effects of traditional NSAIDs.[10] COX-2 is not produced by unstimulated cells and is found in leukocytes, brain neurons, synovial cells, and smooth muscle. The new COX-2 inhibitors, rofecoxib and celecoxib, inhibit COX-2, which reduces the risk of gastrointestinal bleeding and antithrombotic adverse effects but still preserves the anti-inflammatory, analgesic, and antipyretic effects of the NSAIDs. Since COX-2-specific agents can only bind in the COX-2 isoenzyme, the COX-2 inhibitors block the transformation of arachidonic acid to prostaglandin E2 and others, which are responsible for pain, fever, and inflammation, but the other prostaglandins that are protective of the gastric mucosa are not blocked.[10] Efficacy of the COX-2 inhibitors is comparable to NSAIDs. In OA, celecoxib was evaluated in 4200 individuals in a 12-week trial and found that it was comparable to 500 mg of naproxen administered twice daily and superior to placebo. In addition, celecoxib had less than a 4% endoscopically documented ulcer rate compared with diclofenac, which had close to a 15% ulcer rate at 24 weeks.[11] Rofecoxib is approved by the Food and Drug Administration for the treatment of OA and, like celecoxib, it is highly specific for COX-2. In a study of 736 individuals with OA, rofecoxib and ibuprofen had similar improvement in pain walking on a flat surface.[12] Rofecoxib and diclofenac also had similar improvements in pain walking on a flat surface.[13] In addition, fecal loss studies and endoscopy studies of ulcerations suggested safety over ibuprofen. In sum, there are fewer gastroduodenal ulcerations with rofecoxib compared with ibuprofen, and no effects on platelets and bleeding time. Rofecoxib is not recommended for patients with advanced renal disease or hepatic insufficiency.[12] Dr. Dougados cautioned that there is further need for long-term safety data and other comparative studies. Glucosamine Sulfate Dr. Dougados commented on an abstract by Dr. Reginster[14] that demonstrated that glucosamine sulfate significantly reduced progression of knee OA after 3 years. This study was a large randomized controlled analysis that was placebo-controlled, double-blind, and prospective. It contained 212 patients with knee OA. Weight-bearing and antero-posterior radiographs of each knee were done at 1 and 3 years. Joint space width was also measured. Symptom and functional status were scored every 4 months using the Western Ontario and McMaster University Osteoarthritis index (WOMAC). The 2 groups had comparable baseline status, but after 3 years there was no joint space narrowing in the glucosamine group compared with the placebo group (between 0.08 and 1.0 mm per year). Symptoms worsened in the placebo group and improved in the glucosamine group. Dr. Dougados is optimistic about this compound. Other Compounds Dr. Dougados commented on other therapies for OA that are currently in clinical trials, diacerein and avocado and soybean unsaponifiables.[15,16] There are several longer clinical trials that demonstrate a positive effect on symptoms of piascledine (soybean/avocado). In addition, with diacerin the percentage of progressors with joint-space narrowing was lower in the diacerein group than the placebo group. In general, Dr. Dougados summarized that when compared with conventional analgesics and NSAIDs, these compounds have a treatment effect that is less dramatic in terms of symptom improvement. Their onset of action is delayed, sometimes up to 8 weeks. After discontinuation, there is a carryover effect of 2 to 8 weeks' duration. There are also no gastrointestinal adverse effects.[15,16] References 1. Moskowitz R. Systemic drug therapy of OA. Presented at the American College of Rheumatology 63rd Annual Scientific Meeting; November 12-17, 1999; Boston, Mass. 2. Lawrence RC, Helmick CG, Arnett FC, et al. Estimates of the prevalence of arthritis and selected musculoskeletal disorders in the United States. Arthritis Rheum. 1998;41:778-799. 3. SE, Crowson CS, Campion ME, O'Fallon WM. Direct medical costs unique to people with arthritis. J Rheumatol. 1997;24:719-725. 4. Dougados M. Systemic drug therapy of osteoarthritis. Presented at the American College of Rheumatology 63rd Annual Scientific Meeting; November 12-17, 1999; Boston, Mass. 5. Zhang Y, McAlindon TE, Hannan MT, et al. Estrogen replacement therapy and worsening of radiographic knee osteoarthritis: The Framingham Study. Arthritis Rheum. 1998;41:1867-1873. 6. Eccles M, Freemantle N, Mason J, for the North of England Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drug Guideline Development Group. North of England evidence based guideline development project: summary guideline for non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs versus basic analgesia in treating the pain of degenerative arthritis. BMJ. 1998;317:526-530. 7. Towheed TE, Hochberg MC. A systematic review of randomized controlled trials of pharmacological therapy in osteoarthritis of the hip. J Rheumatol. 1997;24:349-357. 8. Huskinson EC, Berry H, Gishen P, et al, on behalf of the LINK Study Group. Effects of anti-inflammatory therapy in OA of the knee joint. Br J Rheumatol. 1993;32:595-600. 9. Scheiman JM. Preventing NSAID toxicity to the upper gastrointestinal tract. Curr Treat Options Gastroenterol. 1999;2:205-213. 10. Crofford L. COX-1 and COX-2 tissue expression: implications and predictions. J Rheumatol. 1997;24(suppl 49):15-19. 11. Geis GS, Stead H, Morant S, Naudin R, Hubbard R. Efficacy and safety of celecoxib, a specific COX-2 inhibitor, in patients with rheumatoid arthritis. Arthritis Rheum. 1998;42(suppl):S316. Abstract 1699. 12. Hawkey C, Laine L, Simon T, el al. A comparison of the effect of rofecoxib, ibuprofen, or placebo on the gastrointestinal mucosa of osteoarthritics. Gastroenterology. In press. 13. Cannon G, Caldwell J, Holt P, et al. Rofecoxib, a COX-2-specific inhibitor, has clinical efficacy comparable with diclofenac sodium: results of a one-year randomized clinical trial in patients with OA of the knee and hip. Arthritis Rheum. In press. 14. Reginster Y-J, Deroisy R, I, et al. Glucosamine sulfate significantly reduces progression of knee OA over 3 years: a large randomized, placebo-controlled, double-blind prospective trial. Arthritis Rheum. 1999;42(suppl). 15. Maheu E, Mazieres B, Valat JP, et al. Symptomatic efficacy of avocado/soybean unsaponifiables in the treatment of OA of the knee and hip: a prospective, randomized double-blind, placebo-controlled, multicenter clinical trial with a six-month treatment period and a two-month follow-up demonstrating a persistent effect. Arthritis Rheum. 1998;41:81-91. 16. Nguyen M, Dougados M, Berdah L, Amor B. Diacerein in the treatment of OA of the hip. Arthritis Rheum. 1994;37:529-536. 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Guest guest Posted February 28, 2000 Report Share Posted February 28, 2000 According to the Road Back they are testing minocin for OA. Briarwood wrote: > > From: " Briarwood " <briarwood@...> > > Agnes, > Congratulations to you and your sister on starting the AP. I am glad you > found it and your sister is doing so well, even after having RA for 20 > years. > I have RA and a little osteo also and I believe doxycycline is used for > osteo. As I am on Minocin I can't advise on this but I'm sure others will > know the dosage and the right antibiotic. > > Bev > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > I got interested in the AP for RA because my sister had RA for 20 > > years and she started the AP about 8 months ago with good results. I > > was diagnosed with FMS a few years ago and I was managing so-so this > > far, I mean until I got a bad case of osteoarthritis, very suddenly > > about 6 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. I would like to try the > > Ap for this and I need help from you all. Did anybody do the AP for > > osteo.? Did it help? My insurance does treat RA with minocycline > > but I don't know if they would do it for osteo. also. If I have some > > stories to back me up I will push for it. > > > > Thanks for listening, > > Agnes > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get what you deserve with NextCard Visa! Rates as low as 2.9% > Intro or 9.9% Fixed APR, online balance transfers, Rewards Points, > no hidden fees, and much more! Get NextCard today and get the > credit youdeserve! Apply now! Get your NextCard Visa at: > 1/912/0/_/532797/_/951775114/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 Well my doc told me to take 4000 mg of msm maybe you should increase your intake. And i assume your taking about 1500 mg of glucosamine. You didnt say how long you were taking this combo. I would give it some time. Ive heard of CMO, im a bit leary of it. I guess it wont hurt you to try. If you do try it i sure want to hear your opinion about it. Re: rheumatic osteoarthritis > Hi , > > Thanks for writing to me. I tried the glucosamine and the MSM (2000 > mg) , so far no change. Maybe I should try to increase it. My knees > are still in good shape, I have problems with the hands, arms, neck. > I want to try the CMO (cetyl miristoleate), have you heard anything > on that? > > Agnes > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 1, 2000 Report Share Posted March 1, 2000 I was told to buy pharmicutial grade, this doesnt neccesarily mean you will get an inferior product buying it on the web. I was told since it is derived from dmso(i think) a industrial type of compound, you would be assured a good product if you went with pharmicutical grade. It is more expensive, but still cheap enough. I also bought the powder which is cheaper, and mix it in water, or a health shake. Its pretty much tasteless. Subject: Re: rheumatic osteoarthritis > Wish I had read my mail sooner. Just hung up from order MSM on the net. I > bought it in 1000 mg. each 240 caps were $29.00. If this does not help me. I > will be writing to you for the brand you are using. Thanks. > > wrote: > > > From: " " <higgy2000@...> > > > > Oh BTW, i bought pharmaceutical grade msm from the health store. I dont > > trust buying this on the internet. > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: rheumatic osteoarthritis > > > > > I seem to be having improvement with my osteo knees by taking msm 4000 mg > > > and 1500 mg glucosamine. By doctor actually recomended msm to my suprise > > > saying he had patients improve using it. I was on crutches 6 weeks ago, > > and > > > im walking around (slowly) now. I notice much less grinding crunching > > going > > > on. > > > > > > > > > > > > rheumatic osteoarthritis > > > > > > > > > > From: aewinchell@... > > > > > > > > Hi Group, > > > > > > > > I got interested in the AP for RA because my sister had RA for 20 > > > > years and she started the AP about 8 months ago with good results. I > > > > was diagnosed with FMS a few years ago and I was managing so-so this > > > > far, I mean until I got a bad case of osteoarthritis, very suddenly > > > > about 6 weeks ago, and it is getting worse. I would like to try the > > > > Ap for this and I need help from you all. Did anybody do the AP for > > > > osteo.? Did it help? My insurance does treat RA with minocycline > > > > but I don't know if they would do it for osteo. also. If I have some > > > > stories to back me up I will push for it. > > > > > > > > Thanks for listening, > > > > Agnes > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Show your style! Choose from 6 great card designs when you > > apply for Capital One's 9.9% Fixed APR Visa Platinum. > > 1/1894/0/_/532797/_/951771967/ > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 It was my Husband that was to have surgery for Osteoarthritis. He was been on grapes for weeks, upon weeks, now. They helped the most. He eats a normal supper in the evenings. He also takes a colon product (homozon). He is not completely well. Yet he is 75% better, able to work around the home, and surgery has been canceled. Bernadette Re: The magnesium worked! Your husband was the one that was supposed to have surgery right? for osteoporosis? I think his results have been a great encouragement for all of us! Actually, no my husband was the one who took the black walnut tincture to help get rid of parasites and ended up with a sudden attack of kidney pain. He stopped the black walnut tincture after only 2 days, and went on a kidney cleanse right away. The kidney cleanse wasn't working like it had in the past, but once he added the higher amounts of magnesium and B-6, as well as drinking apple cider vinegar drinks, his kidney pain was gone in only a few days. I hope it encourages someone ! PattySubscription email: mailto:bowel cleanse-subscribeegroups Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2000 Report Share Posted October 9, 2000 Bernardette, Did your husband follow The Grape Cure from Johanna Brandt? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 > Bernardette, > Did your husband follow The Grape Cure from Johanna Brandt? > > No, he just eats grapes all day and has a normal supper at night. He is also in physical therapy, and had been prior to taking the grapes, with no improvement whatsoever. After starting on the grapes, (initially he went on a total grape fast for three days) he began at the end of the fast, to see his first signs of improvement. Prior to the grape fast and while on physical therapy he was getting worse each day and causing permanent nerve damage. He still has minor problems. Yet over the weekend he carried about 40, 50LB buckets. After this he saw more improvement, he accounts to the stretching of the arm and neck muscles. He is still on the grapes all day. Bernadette. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 11, 2000 Report Share Posted October 11, 2000 Bernardette: Thank you for the reply. I am so glad your husband is feeling so much better. I have done grape cures and they are great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2001 Report Share Posted March 7, 2001 Hi Lin, Dr. Gabe Mirkin broadcasts on US radio that he is getting good results with doxycycline and osteoarthritis. Dr. Brown said that about 50% of osteoarthritis cases had a rheumatoid component also. Have a look at the articles on Gabe Mirkin's web site. The address used to be www.wdn.com/mirkin but I think it's now www.mirkin.com - there's probably a redirect anyway. Chris. >On behalf of a friend of a friend (who is in dire straits) is anyone out >there using antibiotic therapy for osteoarthritis?? Only two more weeks to >find out if my IV chelation,IV antibiotics and mega health supps have had an >effect on my sed rate.) >Hugs, >Lin > >To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 21, 2006 Report Share Posted February 21, 2006 I did read it and have been doing most of it as well.I cant take anything that will damage the lining of my stomach as I have it heaLED. i AM TAKING A PANCREATING TABLET that is helping,by not irrating my stomach. Yes I know that caps are better,but this seems to be working as I have not found anything that I can take with my senestive stomach. Lemon juice and salt are good. I will try and drink more,but did get down 3 cups today. I am concerned if I can take the glucosamine and chondroitin, as I cant take NSAID and am wondering if this will be ok for me to take? I think this pain Iam feeling could be emotional and now that Iam eating better that should help. I take Thorne cal,mag, multi vitamin, potassium. Am getting acbc on hormones so will see what that shows. Alpha lopic acid and I dont get along so have to be careful how to detox. This should be itneresting with cholestral as mine is usally so low. Iam not doing anything to rid the body of mercury,but I do have my fillings out. best thing I can do is my diet and to stay on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 > > I did read it and have been doing most of it as well.I cant take anything that will damage the lining of my stomach as I have it heaLED. ==>That's great . > i AM TAKING A PANCREATING TABLET that is helping,by not irrating my stomach. Yes I know that caps are better,but this seems to be working as I have not found anything that I can take with my senestive stomach. ==>If you are doing okay on that is good. > > Lemon juice and salt are good. I will try and drink more,but did get down 3 cups today. I am concerned if I can take the glucosamine and chondroitin, as I cant take NSAID and am wondering if this will be ok for me to take? ==>The Arthritis article states that you do not need to get glucosamine and chondroitin from a supplement because it is better to eat meats and eggs which contain them, or at least they contain the essential amino acids required for your body to make them. > I think this pain Iam feeling could be emotional and now that Iam eating better that should help. ==>Emotional pain can be very hard to deal with. > > I take Thorne cal,mag, multi vitamin, potassium. > Am getting acbc on hormones so will see what that shows. ==>Potassium is not recommended because there is so much available in so many foods on the diet - it is rare for anyone to be low on it and it can throw off your mineral balances. A multivitamin is usually very low grade because they cannot cram so much into one pill and retain quality - it is better to take certain vitamins and minerals in a separate supplement per my article. > > Alpha lopic acid and I dont get along so have to be careful how to detox. This should be itneresting with cholestral as mine is usally so low. Iam not doing anything to rid the body of mercury,but I do have my fillings out. ==>Cholesterol levels are non-issue - please read my article which discusses how the cholesterol theory is totally false. What do you mean about Alpha lopic acid? Where would you be getting it that concerns you? > > best thing I can do is my diet and to stay on it. ==>Amen, but also correct your supplements per my article. Bee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2006 Report Share Posted February 22, 2006 alpha lopic acid is in one of my supplements, the basic detox from thorne and I broke out in a horrible rash when I took it,since then I have not been able to try to take it.Should I take it for mercury detox? I understand about cholestral,I dont worry about that one. Potassium, I lose a lot with flow of urine. Besides eating foods I do take a supplement and when I dont take it I get much more leg cramps. I dont know how to control the flow of so much urine and that is where my potassium goes. I have tried the coconut oil,one speck and still I itch. I do misss it,but not sure how and when to start eating it again. Before I would put it in with my veggies cooking. Olive oil seems to be working with the craving of fat and my hunger is not so bad as before. I think my problem is my hormones, not sure will have the test this morning. Not sure if I have osteo-arthritis, never been tested,it just came on all of a sudden the pains. After reading your articles going to just keep eating etc and see how it goes. Last night with the itching so bad, I did take a mercury homeopathic and that seemed to help. I was able to go back to sleep. When I cook my veggies in olive oil I am able to put cut up garlic there as well and am doing fine, so much has changed,but still have itching at times when I drink more than one glass of lemon and salt. Itching gets old. I need my sleep. bromelain helps --------------------------------- Relax. virus scanning helps detect nasty viruses! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2007 Report Share Posted April 17, 2007 You might want to have your doctor check to make sure it isn't rheumatoid arthritis. Sandy On 4/17/07, sarapetsch <sarapetsch@...> wrote: > > Hello, > I have a problem I was hoping someone would know something about. > My mom has SEVERE osteoarthritis in several places on her body, but > especially in her hands. Her hands are so knotted up and deformed > she can barely use them. She has refused to try anything related to > the WAP diet (which I eat) or anything even remotely " alternative " . > But that's not the problem I'm asking about. I have felt " smug " > because I have always thought, at least since changing my diet and > lifestyle over to WAP, that I would not get the arthritis that my > mom has. I figured, well, if she won't accept my help at least I > won't have to suffer with it like she does. I not only follow WAP > principles but I also take butter oil (which is supposed to be great > for arthritis) and cod liver oil religiously. Well, in the last few > weeks I have noticed the knuckles in my hands, the ones at the base > of the fingers, knotting up like hers!!!! I am almost 40, and I > suppose that's about when her problems started too. I swear it > seems like this just sprung up in the last few weeks, although I > suppose I just hadn't really noticed before. These knuckles are > getting larger and knobbier looking by the day it seems. So much > for my feeling smug! So, does anyone know, first of all, if this > really does sound like arthritis, and second of all, is there > anything else I can do to head this off!!! > > Thanks in advance, > > Sara > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 Sara - Have you had any root canals? I have read that root canals can cause this kind of arthritis, but it can be reversed. _________________________________________________________________ MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton . Enter to win today. http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2007 Report Share Posted April 18, 2007 No, I haven't. I have had 9 amalgam fillings replaced though, but that's not the same thing. Thanks anyway. > > Sara - > > Have you had any root canals? I have read that root canals can cause this > kind of arthritis, but it can be reversed. > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN is giving away a trip to Vegas to see Elton . Enter to win today. > http://msnconcertcontest.com?icid-nceltontagline > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 If it was, would I do anything different? > > You might want to have your doctor check to make sure it isn't rheumatoid > arthritis. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2007 Report Share Posted April 20, 2007 Rheumatoid arthritis is treated differently I believe and typically more agressively because of the rapid changes that it can cause in joints. On 4/20/07, sarapetsch <sarapetsch@...> wrote: > > If it was, would I do anything different? > > > > > > You might want to have your doctor check to make sure it isn't > rheumatoid > > arthritis. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 I have had such bad arthritis that I could hardly walk, write, open doors, etc. About 25 years ago, I read that night shade vegetables (mainly: tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, fresh green, red, yellow peppers, spinach... I can think of right now), may cause arthritis and stopped eating them. My pains have stopped, but as soon as I have any night shade vegetables, some pain returns. Ingrid --- regehr2001 <leoelfie@...> wrote: > Anyone know of a treatment for osteoarthritis? > Thanks. > Leo > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2007 Report Share Posted June 1, 2007 I hardly ever eat any of these veggies but I still have excruciating pain in my lower back. I also have Osteoarthritis with three pinched nerves and four bulges. They have given me all the shots that I'm going to let them do. Their next step was to block the nerves. I just don't think so. I've read there could be complications. I asked the advise of a Dr and he said he wouldn't let them do it to him.......Joyce Re: osteoarthritis I have had such bad arthritis that I could hardly walk, write, open doors, etc. About 25 years ago, I read that night shade vegetables (mainly: tomatoes, potatoes, eggplant, fresh green, red, yellow peppers, spinach... I can think of right now), may cause arthritis and stopped eating them. My pains have stopped, but as soon as I have any night shade vegetables, some pain returns. Ingrid --- regehr2001 <leoelfie@...> wrote: > Anyone know of a treatment for osteoarthritis? > Thanks. > Leo > > __________________________________________________________ oneSearch: Finally, mobile search that gives answers, not web links. http://mobile./mobileweb/onesearch?refer=1ONXIC -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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