Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 In a message dated 9-1-1999 12:52:52 PM Central Daylight Time, austinsmom@... writes: << I know, that sounds REALLY bizarre, It did to me too. But I've had several successes and they are amazing (one with a gooseegg on my son's head that, literally, disappeared before my eyes - newsletter #6 :-) - http://www.geocities.com/hotsprings/sauna/6870/page6.html ) >> Hey, I read your post on your web site with experiences using homeopathic remedies. I totally believe in that! The day before I was to get married, I was in a store with my sisters. We always have a good time together and I started to laugh. I threw my head down and hit the metal shopping cart! I hit it so hard that I went backwards onto the floor! As I was laughing because of the stupidity of it all and feeling that pain in my head...which, btw was right left of my eye... my oldest sister pulled out some arnica cream. She applied it to area that I hit. I never bruised there! I think I would have had a black eye or something, but, I didn't! I was so glad! Now, it still hurt, but, it never made a mark! Since then, I've believed in arnica! I have also taken bach flowers when I was in high school for my emotions. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 , Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see that potency in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, right? TIA Kerin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 1, 1999 Report Share Posted September 1, 1999 Yeah! I don't know how I would get through all these bumps and bruises of childhood without the miraculous arnica! The amazing thing is that the more traumatic the injury, the faster and better it works! You just have to remember not to apply the cream to any area of the skin that's been broken in any way. Only for bumps and bruises that have no broken skin. You can, however, take the oral remedy for these injuries. I keep a 200c potency in my purse so I have it in case of a car accident, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Kerin, Did you ever find a place for 200 potency? Let me know, because I do know of one. Batwing30@... wrote: > > From: Batwing30@... > > , > Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see that potency > in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, right? > TIA > Kerin > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Hi! Can you give me the place for the 200 potency? My naturopath hasn't wanted to give us that strong of a dosage so I would love to know where I could get it on my own! Thanks, Bushnell Reiss wrote: > > From: Reiss <lisa@...> > > Kerin, > Did you ever find a place for 200 potency? Let me know, because I do > know of one. > > > Batwing30@... wrote: > > > > From: Batwing30@... > > > > , > > Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see that potency > > in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, right? > > TIA > > Kerin > > > > > -- > @... > *************************************************************** > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > *************************************************************** > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Here is where I get my homeopathics. www.homeopathyovernight.com They do have all potencies. Toni, mom to cloth diapered, breastfed and attachment parented Hannah http://home.clarksville.com/~dth Re: Arnica > From: The Bushnell's <bushnell@...> > > Hi! Can you give me the place for the 200 potency? My naturopath > hasn't wanted to give us that strong of a dosage so I would love to know > where I could get it on my own! > > Thanks, > > Bushnell > > Reiss wrote: > > > > From: Reiss <lisa@...> > > > > Kerin, > > Did you ever find a place for 200 potency? Let me know, because I do > > know of one. > > > > > > Batwing30@... wrote: > > > > > > From: Batwing30@... > > > > > > , > > > Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see that potency > > > in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, right? > > > TIA > > > Kerin > > > > > > > > -- > > @... > > *************************************************************** > > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > > *************************************************************** > > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 1999 Report Share Posted November 8, 1999 Same place. I have never ordered from them but their prices seem to be quite reasonable. I would be VERY careful about giving such a high potency. Toni wrote: > > From: " Toni " <dth@...> > > Here is where I get my homeopathics. www.homeopathyovernight.com They do > have all potencies. > > Toni, mom to cloth diapered, breastfed and attachment parented Hannah > http://home.clarksville.com/~dth > > Re: Arnica > > > From: The Bushnell's <bushnell@...> > > > > Hi! Can you give me the place for the 200 potency? My naturopath > > hasn't wanted to give us that strong of a dosage so I would love to know > > where I could get it on my own! > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bushnell > > > > Reiss wrote: > > > > > > From: Reiss <lisa@...> > > > > > > Kerin, > > > Did you ever find a place for 200 potency? Let me know, because I do > > > know of one. > > > > > > > > > Batwing30@... wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Batwing30@... > > > > > > > > , > > > > Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see that > potency > > > > in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, > right? > > > > TIA > > > > Kerin > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > @... > > > *************************************************************** > > > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > > > *************************************************************** > > > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > > > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > > > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > > > > > > > > > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 Our ND has prescribed the 200 potency a couple of different times for our daughter. He only gave one dose of it. Then a month or two later, if needed, another. It is highly unlikely that anything adverse will happen with more frequent doses but there is just no good reason for more. They are higher doses to give that extra boost and more is just unneeded and you run the risk of it becoming ineffective. Good luck. Toni, mom to cloth diapered, breastfed and attachment parented Hannah http://home.clarksville.com/~dth Re: Arnica > > > > > From: The Bushnell's <bushnell@...> > > > > > > Hi! Can you give me the place for the 200 potency? My naturopath > > > hasn't wanted to give us that strong of a dosage so I would love to know > > > where I could get it on my own! > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bushnell > > > > > > Reiss wrote: > > > > > > > > From: Reiss <lisa@...> > > > > > > > > Kerin, > > > > Did you ever find a place for 200 potency? Let me know, because I do > > > > know of one. > > > > > > > > > > > > Batwing30@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Batwing30@... > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see that > > potency > > > > > in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, > > right? > > > > > TIA > > > > > Kerin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > @... > > > > *************************************************************** > > > > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > > > > *************************************************************** > > > > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > > > > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > > > > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > @... > *************************************************************** > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > *************************************************************** > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 In a message dated 11/9/1999 6:53:54 PM Central Standard Time, pienaar@... writes: << I thought homeopathy was based on the law of similars, i.e. what makes one person better will make another person sick. So if the wrong remedy is used (or at too high a potency?), the medicine should make you ill. I would be very cautious of thinking homeopathy is completely harmless. No? >> No. " The law of similars " . Homeopathy is based on this, yes, however it has nothing to do with what you stated above. For instance, belladonna in it's natural state causes certain specific symptoms when ingested. Homeopathy takes that belladonna, potentizes it (changes the molecular structure, removing the harmful elements), and prescribes it for people who suffer from illness resulting in symptoms which are " similar " to belladonna poisoning. You can not become " ill " from homeopathy. You can not take too much of a remedy. Homeopathy's aim is to stimulate the body's innate healing capacity to bring about a " cure " . The remedies are prepared by diluting one drop of base tincture (prepared from the whole plant) in either 10 ('x' potencies) or 100 ('c' potencies) drops of water. This mixture is banged or shaken a specific number of times to potentize. Next, 1 drop of the 1x or 1c soution is placed in a vial with another 10 or 100 drops of water. This process is repeated until the desired potency/dilution. The more dilute the remedy, the more potent its effect. 1 dose = 3 pellets - regardless of the potency. The effect is determined by how often you take a dose, not by how many pellets you take. For instance, swallowing 3 pellets of a remedy is a effective as swallowing 50. If a child swallows an entire bottle, he has just taken '1 dose' of the remedy and ordinarlily will suffer no ill effects. To increase the effect of a remedy, take it more often. The more actue or severe an ailment, the higher the potency you would administer, and the more often you can repeat a remedy. After a car accident, for example, you could administer 200c Arnica every 15 min. In contrast, a nagging dry cough at the end of a cold may require 2 doses of 30c Spongia per day only. Weakened patients generally respnd best to lower potencies, as their bodies sometimes cannot handle (and don't necessarily need) strong stimulation. Also, the more physical the symptoms, the lower the dosage. A person with a sprained ankle goes lower than a person with severe depression. Anyone who uses homeopathy needs to have a basic understanding of how and why it works. That way, statements like the above don't become community knowledge, with everyone repeating " what they have heard " , irregardless of what is the truth. For home practioners of holistic medicine, homeopathy is measureably safer than herbs. So if you don't have time to " study " , that's the way to start. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 The becoming ineffective is the reason why I would not give it to often. Recently I read a book talking about how giving high doses to often could 'prove' the remedy...essentially making it ineffective. That is what I meant. Rarely, have I heard of a homeopathic dr. or ND not wanting to give a particular remedy and the question first started because the dr. would not give the 200 potency. There may be a reason for that. I agree though that overall you don't have much to worry about with homeopathy. Toni wrote: > > From: " Toni " <dth@...> > > Our ND has prescribed the 200 potency a couple of different times for our > daughter. He only gave one dose of it. Then a month or two later, if > needed, another. It is highly unlikely that anything adverse will happen > with more frequent doses but there is just no good reason for more. They > are higher doses to give that extra boost and more is just unneeded and you > run the risk of it becoming ineffective. Good luck. > > Toni, mom to cloth diapered, breastfed and attachment parented Hannah > http://home.clarksville.com/~dth > Re: Arnica > > > > > > > From: The Bushnell's <bushnell@...> > > > > > > > > Hi! Can you give me the place for the 200 potency? My naturopath > > > > hasn't wanted to give us that strong of a dosage so I would love to > know > > > > where I could get it on my own! > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > > > Bushnell > > > > > > > > Reiss wrote: > > > > > > > > > > From: Reiss <lisa@...> > > > > > > > > > > Kerin, > > > > > Did you ever find a place for 200 potency? Let me know, because I do > > > > > know of one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Batwing30@... wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > From: Batwing30@... > > > > > > > > > > > > , > > > > > > Do you know where to get a 200 potency online? I do not see > that > > > potency > > > > > > in my health food stores. I suppose they could order it for me, > > > right? > > > > > > TIA > > > > > > Kerin > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > @... > > > > > *************************************************************** > > > > > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > > > > > *************************************************************** > > > > > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > > > > > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > > > > > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > @... > > *************************************************************** > > We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice > > *************************************************************** > > Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical > > OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you > > implement that decision is yours and yours alone. > > > > > > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 I thought homeopathy was based on the law of similars, i.e. what makes one person better will make another person sick. So if the wrong remedy is used (or at too high a potency?), the medicine should make you ill. I would be very cautious of thinking homeopathy is completely harmless. No? Seb. At 07:44 PM 11/09/1999 -0500, you wrote: >From: Reiss <lisa@...> > >The becoming ineffective is the reason why I would not give it to often. >Recently I read a book talking about how giving high doses to often >could 'prove' the remedy...essentially making it ineffective. That is >what I meant. Rarely, have I heard of a homeopathic dr. or ND not >wanting to give a particular remedy and the question first started >because the dr. would not give the 200 potency. There may be a reason >for that. I agree though that overall you don't have much to worry >about with homeopathy. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 9, 1999 Report Share Posted November 9, 1999 It is based on similars. But if you misdiagnose and it is a lower potency the effect would basically be that it would not correct the original problem. But with higher doses it tends to effect the whole body more. That is why I said I would be careful, especially with the higher doses. Everything I have read says if say a child has a cough and I give the wrong remedy..the cough would persist. I have also read that if a child swallowed a whole tube of say belladona 6x it would not cause a poisonous reaction such as swallowing a bottle of prozac. But with higher doses, such as 200c, it becomes a different issue because they tend to work more dramatically on the whole body and it can interfere with previously given remedies. Sebastiana wrote: > > From: Sebastiana <pienaar@...> > > I thought homeopathy was based on the law of similars, i.e. what makes one person better will make another person sick. So if the wrong remedy is used (or at too high a potency?), the medicine should make you ill. I would be very cautious of thinking homeopathy is completely harmless. > > No? > > Seb. > > At 07:44 PM 11/09/1999 -0500, you wrote: > >From: Reiss <lisa@...> > > > >The becoming ineffective is the reason why I would not give it to often. > >Recently I read a book talking about how giving high doses to often > >could 'prove' the remedy...essentially making it ineffective. That is > >what I meant. Rarely, have I heard of a homeopathic dr. or ND not > >wanting to give a particular remedy and the question first started > >because the dr. would not give the 200 potency. There may be a reason > >for that. I agree though that overall you don't have much to worry > >about with homeopathy. > > > > > > -- @... *************************************************************** We Must Have The Freedom To Choose & Respect Everyone's Choice *************************************************************** Any information obtained here is not to be construed as medical OR legal advice. The decision to vaccinate and how you implement that decision is yours and yours alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Grant, All I can add are our family's anecdotes about its use. All positive. Here's one. Daughter slipped on a rail and hit her upper thigh quite hard. My wife had some arnica cream in her backpack and rubbed it on what she thought was the spot of potential bruising. Daughter ceased complaining about pain and ended up with an odd patch of bruising, but only on places missed by the arnica cream. Have absolutely no idea why it works. Seems like voodoo to me. Shalkowski Leeds, UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 Its a powerful anti-coagulant, IIRC. Another product to try, if you have any Chinese/oriental herb shops near you, is " dit-da-jow " (phonetic spelling). It works similiar to arnica, but is a bit more powerful, and smells even worse. Shafer Converse, TX Shalkowski wrote: > > Grant, > > All I can add are our family's anecdotes about its use. All > positive. Here's one. Daughter slipped on a rail and hit her upper > thigh quite hard. My wife had some arnica cream in her backpack and > rubbed it on what she thought was the spot of potential bruising. > Daughter ceased complaining about pain and ended up with an odd patch > of bruising, but only on places missed by the arnica cream. > > Have absolutely no idea why it works. Seems like voodoo to me. > > Shalkowski > Leeds, UK _________________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 Just a little true tale. While I was working in an Herbal kiosk, I fell, hit the cash register, table, and chair. Was so loud drew the attention of everyone in the mall! I immediately started bruising and hurting. We had a tube of Arnica cream on the shelf, I bought and applied it. The soreness eased up immediately, the bruising seem to stop spreading, and I healed much faster with a lot less pain. Since then, I am never without it! I would love to make this cream. I used it on my DH sore spot, he liked it so much that he always keeps it now (he works on an oilwell) and has even pasted it on to hands who have been hurt! Thank you very much for the recipe. One thing, I once read a recipe for St. 's oil-it said it you placed the jar where the sun would hit, it would help. Have you heard this? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 1, 2002 Report Share Posted January 1, 2002 One more question, and I promise not to bother you again. I am not familiar with Sweet Birch EO, why do you add it? TIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Maybe. There are some OTC (hfs) formulas and creams or gels that can be helpful. Are you taking any supplement for inflammation and antioxidants? Magnesium? Anti- candida? I would also love to see you stop labeling yourself (CFS/FMS/Arthritis) and get a more positive attitude that you can be well. KM Michele Townsend <mtownsend29@...> wrote: Would arnica be something that would replace Advil type meds? I have a stiff neck and even the darvocet I take did not help but the Advil seems to be helping but I hate to take it because of my stomach. Especially since I have stopped my Nexium and am trying to use diet to keep my " heartburn " away. Keeps me off the sugar and carbs!! Thanks, Michele CFS/FMS/Arthritis ----- Original Message ----- From: kathy matthews Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:52 PM Yes on the arnica. Most anything with swelling, bleeding, muscle soreness. THink of it as a #1 trauma remedy. <snipped> KM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2005 Report Share Posted January 31, 2005 Thank you Kathy, I am taking glucosamine with chondroitin and msm, and magnesium in addition to my cal/mag. I do take prescription celebrex and darvocet, but hope to be able to stop those eventually. I have already stopped my nexium and am using diet to control my stomach problems. Already have a significant improvement in my bms which have always been a problem. : ( Hugs, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: kathy matthews Sent: Tuesday, February 01, 2005 12:20 AM Maybe. There are some OTC (hfs) formulas and creams or gels that can be helpful. Are you taking any supplement for inflammation and antioxidants? Magnesium? Anti- candida? I would also love to see you stop labeling yourself (CFS/FMS/Arthritis) and get a more positive attitude that you can be well. KM Michele Townsend <mtownsend29@...> wrote: Would arnica be something that would replace Advil type meds? I have a stiff neck and even the darvocet I take did not help but the Advil seems to be helping but I hate to take it because of my stomach. Especially since I have stopped my Nexium and am trying to use diet to keep my " heartburn " away. Keeps me off the sugar and carbs!! Thanks, Michele ----- Original Message ----- From: kathy matthews Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2005 11:52 PM Yes on the arnica. Most anything with swelling, bleeding, muscle soreness. THink of it as a #1 trauma remedy. <snipped> KM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 1, 2005 Report Share Posted February 1, 2005 If I remember right, chondrointin is an avoid. I also take MSM, it works well for me. Emmi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Arnica cream may not be good because it cannot be used on broken skin. Just used Vit E for healing. The 30X is good or if you can find a 30C, it is a little more potent. Before surgery use maybe just once a day. After surgery, probably 4 to 6 x a day would be enough. The dosage is on the bottle. The Hylands would be 4 tablets. How often you take a dose would depend on your symptoms. Immediately after surgery she would take more often. Less often as she improved. Continue as long as she needs it. It may be helpful even as she goes through physical therapy. KM Lynn Hoskins <lhoskins@...> wrote: I went through the list archives for info on using Arnica when going in for surgery and I'm not 100% straight on what to get. My mom's having knee replacement surgery and I told her to take Arnica a couple days leading up to surgery, and then for several days afterwards. She has Hyland's Arnica Montana tablets, 30X. Is there another, better kind to take? And what should the dosage be? I've also read on the list that Arnica cream is very helpful, so I'll try to get her that as well. Many thanks, Lynn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Lynn Hoskins wrote: She has Hyland's Arnica Montana tablets, 30X. > Is there another, better kind to take? And what should the > dosage be? Arn 30X would be okay for small bu,mps and bruises. One needs higher potency for surgery at least 200c if not 1M IMO. Twice a day is usual. It's best made aqueous. (Dissolve a tab in a cup of water, shake hard 100 times, and shake 20 times before each dose. 1 teasp dose.) Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 11, 2005 Report Share Posted February 11, 2005 Dear Kathy and all, Kathy's right the Arnica for surgery needs to be a much higher potency than 30X but the rest of the sugestions need more comment IMO: Dosages on a homeopathy bottle will lead to nasty aggravations if more than a very few doses are used per those directions. They are there to meet required FDA laws (and what the FDA knows about homeopathy would not fill a match book using 1 inch type). The doses would do for short-term acute use, not more than 6 doses, but could aggravate any time after the 2nd dose. Anything more complex like for surgery really should be arranged with a professional homeopath. As per the Organon of medicine (the textbook on homeopathy) it is always better to use aqueous dosing than pills/tinctures as they come when purchased, because the body abhors a dose of the *same* potency more than once. With aqueous dosing, the remedy is in water solution (dissolve it and succuss 100 times to potentize the water) and each time the bottle is succussed (like 20 times before each dose) it changes the potency upwards fractionally - removing the risk of aggravation. Defs: * Aggravation is worsening of symptoms before they improve and which can be increased worsening with each dose - and this nobody needs. * Succussion is shaking hard against something - like a phone book. It transfers the energy signature of the remedy to the solution and enhances it with each succussion. * A remedy - what you buy - is a carrier of homeopathic healing energy - just as an electric wire is a carrier of electrical energy. There is no chemical component in a homeopathic remedy any more than there is in electricity. - it was diluted out to ensure no possibility of side effects. * Potency: There are several ranges - the X range is lowest, then the C range then the M range (as in Roman numerals). The LM range is separate and covers low to high. * To heal without aggravation, every dose needs to be a higher energy than the previous one. Namaste, Irene (professional homeopath) -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 I wonder how all the customers that we sold arnica tablets to did so well by taking 4 tablets 3 to 4 times a day. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Re: Arnica > Lynn Hoskins <lhoskins@...> wrote: > > Hi Kathy, > > Thanks very much for the info. My brain can't process Irene's > responses (no offense to Irene, but I don't connect with her > words) It never hurts to ask for a better explanation :-)) I'll try to be clearer: If you use the instructions on the bottle you will make the situation worse not better. (I'll leave out why as that was confusing to you.) You need a higher potency like Arnica 200C for surgery. You need to dissolve ONE tablet in a cup of water. You need to shake that 100 times. You need to use that as the remedy. You need to shake well before you give a dose. A dose is 1 teaspoon. So all you need is one tablet total to make a cup of remedy. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 THOMAS DEKANY wrote: > I wonder how all the customers that we sold arnica tablets to did so > well by taking 4 tablets 3 to 4 times a day. They were using it for first aid - not surgery. If you read the Organon of Medicine you will see when to use what. Homeopathy is a great system of health care but it takes longer to learn how to be a good homeopath than it takes to learn how to be a doctor or a vet. Like everything else, there is a right way and a wrong way to use the remedies. They seldom do any harm and what harm they do is even less likely to be long-term - which is why you can sell them over the counter - but if you want results for something specific - in this case surgery - then the remedy will not give those results if not used correctly. This is why so many people think homeopathy " doesn't work " . When used incorrectly, it doesn't! The Organon of medicine is here - it has all the details: (There are more than 300 sections) http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference/organon/organon.html There's nothing wrong with selling low potency Arnica like 30X for mild first aid use. Bruises for example are helped tremendously by it. Arnica has 3715 symptoms it is known to help, and it depends what the problem and intensity of symptoms is, as to whether Arnica is the best matching remedy and in what potency it suits the symptoms, and how it should be dosed. The first aid sales of Arnica are all geared to very temporary use and usually it will not aggravate in a " dry " dose for up to about 6 doses. But some people are more sensitive than others and it WILL aggravate even after just 2 doses. The OTC sales are not intended for people in a serious condition such as after surgery - where their sensitivity to remedy may be greater - nor for situations that are serious and which need much more careful matching of a remedy to ensure no aggravations. The body abhors a duplicate dose. It actually antidotes the first dose unless the first one has worn off entirely. So repeat doses are a bit of a farce - unless the potency is high enough to aggravate - or the number of doses really irritate the system which will also aggravate. Aggravation is short-term unless the dose is repeated again. So the suggestion of x times a day is not a good one. A correct suggestion is to " dose in accordance with symptoms " . That is too vague for the FDA but it is the correct approach. The idea is to use a dose - see what it does, and only re-dose after that dose wears off - or ideally a little before it wears off. That needs judgement and guiding signs - you learn to use these during study to be a homeopath. The SAFER way to use ANY homeopathic remedy is to make it aqueous and to change the potency with each dose. Then the body will never see two doses the same potency, and is very unlikely to aggravate due to dosing close together and it IS very likely to have each dose actually do something positive. It still can aggravate - if high potency is repeated too often - and which is why high potency is seldom sold OTC. The higher the potency the less dose frequency you need - and the right dose frequency depends on a lot of factors - strength and health of the individual, how ill they are, how slow or fast the illness came on, condition of the immune system and vital organs etc. It's not guesswork, it is worth studying how to practice homeopathy correctly. The OTC remedies should be low potency and used for mild first aid issues - not deep trauma or chronic cases of anything. The latter needs a homeopath just as you go to a doctor for the non first-aid stuff in conventional medicine. Misuse will either do harm from aggravation or will delay healing from not getting something that works. In a case of misuse of Arnica in surgery for example, by using too low a potency (like 30X or 30C) or by dry dose (as on the bottle) or by too frequent dose (more than twice a day of 200C before surgery when the damage is not yet done to be there to fix) - it can increase the bleeding during surgery and after surgery and that is not what you want - especially in a type O. If you are advising people on Arnica you sell for something like surgery and not just for a bruise as first aid, and especially if you do not have a degree in homeopathy you can be charged with practising medicine without a license - even if you only offer " suggestions " rather than instructions. It may be well to be aware of some kind of cut-off in what harm can be done by suggestions. If someone misuses Arnica and bleeds out during surgery that is not what you'd want on your conscience. I know you meanwell but homeopathic remedies are powerful and need to be taken seriously. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2005 Report Share Posted February 12, 2005 Nope! I am talking about people who were getting surgeries. ABO Specifics Inc. - http://www.foodforyourblood.com Re: Re: Arnica THOMAS DEKANY wrote: > I wonder how all the customers that we sold arnica tablets to did so > well by taking 4 tablets 3 to 4 times a day. They were using it for first aid - not surgery. If you read the Organon of Medicine you will see when to use what. Homeopathy is a great system of health care but it takes longer to learn how to be a good homeopath than it takes to learn how to be a doctor or a vet. Like everything else, there is a right way and a wrong way to use the remedies. They seldom do any harm and what harm they do is even less likely to be long-term - which is why you can sell them over the counter - but if you want results for something specific - in this case surgery - then the remedy will not give those results if not used correctly. This is why so many people think homeopathy " doesn't work " . When used incorrectly, it doesn't! The Organon of medicine is here - it has all the details: (There are more than 300 sections) http://www.homeopathyhome.com/reference/organon/organon.html There's nothing wrong with selling low potency Arnica like 30X for mild first aid use. Bruises for example are helped tremendously by it. Arnica has 3715 symptoms it is known to help, and it depends what the problem and intensity of symptoms is, as to whether Arnica is the best matching remedy and in what potency it suits the symptoms, and how it should be dosed. The first aid sales of Arnica are all geared to very temporary use and usually it will not aggravate in a " dry " dose for up to about 6 doses. But some people are more sensitive than others and it WILL aggravate even after just 2 doses. The OTC sales are not intended for people in a serious condition such as after surgery - where their sensitivity to remedy may be greater - nor for situations that are serious and which need much more careful matching of a remedy to ensure no aggravations. The body abhors a duplicate dose. It actually antidotes the first dose unless the first one has worn off entirely. So repeat doses are a bit of a farce - unless the potency is high enough to aggravate - or the number of doses really irritate the system which will also aggravate. Aggravation is short-term unless the dose is repeated again. So the suggestion of x times a day is not a good one. A correct suggestion is to " dose in accordance with symptoms " . That is too vague for the FDA but it is the correct approach. The idea is to use a dose - see what it does, and only re-dose after that dose wears off - or ideally a little before it wears off. That needs judgement and guiding signs - you learn to use these during study to be a homeopath. The SAFER way to use ANY homeopathic remedy is to make it aqueous and to change the potency with each dose. Then the body will never see two doses the same potency, and is very unlikely to aggravate due to dosing close together and it IS very likely to have each dose actually do something positive. It still can aggravate - if high potency is repeated too often - and which is why high potency is seldom sold OTC. The higher the potency the less dose frequency you need - and the right dose frequency depends on a lot of factors - strength and health of the individual, how ill they are, how slow or fast the illness came on, condition of the immune system and vital organs etc. It's not guesswork, it is worth studying how to practice homeopathy correctly. The OTC remedies should be low potency and used for mild first aid issues - not deep trauma or chronic cases of anything. The latter needs a homeopath just as you go to a doctor for the non first-aid stuff in conventional medicine. Misuse will either do harm from aggravation or will delay healing from not getting something that works. In a case of misuse of Arnica in surgery for example, by using too low a potency (like 30X or 30C) or by dry dose (as on the bottle) or by too frequent dose (more than twice a day of 200C before surgery when the damage is not yet done to be there to fix) - it can increase the bleeding during surgery and after surgery and that is not what you want - especially in a type O. If you are advising people on Arnica you sell for something like surgery and not just for a bruise as first aid, and especially if you do not have a degree in homeopathy you can be charged with practising medicine without a license - even if you only offer " suggestions " rather than instructions. It may be well to be aware of some kind of cut-off in what harm can be done by suggestions. If someone misuses Arnica and bleeds out during surgery that is not what you'd want on your conscience. I know you meanwell but homeopathic remedies are powerful and need to be taken seriously. Namaste, Irene -- Irene de Villiers, B.Sc; AASCA; MCSSA; D.I.Hom. P.O.Box 4703, Spokane, WA 99220-0703. http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html Veterinary Homeopath and Feline Information Counsellor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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