Arthritis

[Guest guest]

Hi Mimianne,

My arthritis is controlled by Zithromax 600 mgs a day. I was on other abx

for about 2 months for other things and I got so sick and the pain was so bad

I couldn't stand it.

Restarted Z last Thursday, did give myself boost, took an extra one every

other day. What a difference in the joint and muscle pain. I can actually

live with it.

Hugs,

Connie

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On Wed, 1 Sep 1999 12:32:19 -0400 (EDT), bossmom57@... (ellen

cuffari) wrote:

>What does the Psoriatic mean? I have been diagnosed with degenerative

>something or other in my joints - mainly big toe and fingers....Is this

>a specific type of arthritis? I wasn't sure what that is classified

>as... can someone help?

>

>Ellen

Psoriatic arthritis is one of the over 100 different types of

arthritis. It is an inflammatory type of arthritis, as opposed to

osteoarthritis, which is sometimes called degenerative arthritis. Did

your doctor give you any details, or prescribe you any medications? Do

you have psoriasis? Psoriatic arthritis is commonly accompanied by

psoriasis, although in some cases there isn't any psoriasis.

Steve

http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

[Guest guest]

Steve, the doc sad it was degenerative. and yes, I have psorisis on my

elbow and knee caps... I control the psorisis with oregon grape. which

is the most effective thing I have taken so far... Ellen

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 16:55:36 -0400 (EDT), bossmom57@... (ellen

cuffari) wrote:

>Steve, the doc sad it was degenerative. and yes, I have psorisis on my

>elbow and knee caps... I control the psorisis with oregon grape. which

>is the most effective thing I have taken so far... Ellen

If you have psoriasis, and arthritis, I would be suspicious. Do you

run a fever with it?

Steve

http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

[Guest guest]

Steve, I have no fever...

fact is I thought I pulled a tendon in my toe when i was played Twister,

and its still hurting 8 mos later.. , now the shoulder and neck are

hurting, doc says he thinks its a muscle spasm in my neck... trying the

anti-inflamatories again...

I also started an herbal program for myself which includes

calcium,magnesium, and msm plus a high potency vitamin & mineral supp. ,

plus time release vit c....I got another week on the anti-inflam.'s ,

then I will continue on the herbs to see what develops...ellen

actually I had the psorisis for years before I got an xray , which shows

degenerative arthritis in my toe..

Ellen

[Guest guest]

ellen,

what is oregon grape??? which you say that you us to control your p???

info please

tnx

pat

[Guest guest]

On Thu, 2 Sep 1999 22:20:53 -0400 (EDT), bossmom57@... (ellen

cuffari) wrote:

>Steve, I have no fever...

>fact is I thought I pulled a tendon in my toe when i was played Twister,

>and its still hurting 8 mos later.. , now the shoulder and neck are

>hurting, doc says he thinks its a muscle spasm in my neck... trying the

>anti-inflamatories again...

>I also started an herbal program for myself which includes

>calcium,magnesium, and msm plus a high potency vitamin & mineral supp. ,

>plus time release vit c....I got another week on the anti-inflam.'s ,

>then I will continue on the herbs to see what develops...ellen

>

>actually I had the psorisis for years before I got an xray , which shows

>degenerative arthritis in my toe..

>Ellen

Best of luck herbals! About the only suggestion I could make, is that

if your doctor isn't a rheumatologist, you should probably consult

with one. Keep us advised of how it goes.

Steve

http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

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On Fri, 03 Sep 1999 19:25:06 -0400, Steve Ratliff <steve@...>

wrote:

>

>Best of luck herbals! About the only suggestion I could make, is that

<sigh> That should read, best of luck with the herbals. <g>

Steve

http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

[Guest guest]

At 08:26 AM 02/29/2000 EST, you wrote:

>From: betboys@...

Belinda,

As always, you do a very good job with this information. I'm impressed

with how you internalize this info.

As an addition, re: parasites and bacteria, the body cannot function

properly without minerals. I'm not talking about colloidal minerals. I'm

talking about organic minerals present in whole foods, and the proper

enzyme activity to utilize them. That sums up the whole of healing.

What is happening, is that people are destroying digestion, by eating foods

that stress the body. The body's mineral reserves are depleted and not

renewed.

Lack of sodium in the diet, compromises the body's ability to digest.

Alkalyzing minerals need to be present for the body to manufacture enzymes

and metabolize proteins. Sodium reserves stored in the joints and

gallbladder, for example are only one small picture of what is happening in

the rest of the body. The body utilizes sodium to manufacture HCL. I'm

not talking about salt, NA + CL, which forms a STRONG bond. I'm talking

about sodium.

When the minerals that the body need are not present, the environment

becomes UNFRIENDLY, ie parasite/bacteria/virus infected.

A healthy, mineral rich body will expel parasites and bacteria on it's own.

I read these lists over and over again, searching for the magic bullet.

Cure my pain, and my aches... etc.

The cure is to not abuse the body's reserves, lessen the

nutritional/dietary overload. We eat TOO MUCH, in WRONG WAYS.

The body needs to be acid in the stomach, alkaline in the small intestine,

and acid in the colon. What is happening is NOT THAT. We don't chew

enough, so the saliva does not break down anything, then the stomach isn't

acid enough (more on that later), so the food passes to the small intestine

where ABSORBTION of nutrition should be taking place.

The pancreas can't break all that mess down, because it's totally exhausted

in producing enzymes to metabolize protein and sugars. The pancreas does a

number of things, not just insulin, it also produces MEGA enzymes that

break down PROTEINS. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE DYING OF TUMOR OVERLOAD.

Is this picture clear yet?

Tumors are mostly made up of proteins. The pancreatic enzymes are partly

responsible for the body being able to fight tumors.

Dr. 's program (http://whale.to) is a controlled fast, with

supplementation of certain enzymes and proteins at strategic times of the

day. This is an ideal way to stimulate the body's NATURAL self-healing

ability.

Clean blood, free of bacteria/virus/parasites, that can carry nutrition,

comes from a worry free, anger free liver (the liver is the organ of anger

and toxin removal). The liver's primary source of nutrition comes from the

small intestine's digestive products. Send down toxins to the liver, and

it's clear...... a toxic liver is for you. How in the world can it produce

healthy blood?

Simplify your life.

1. Chew your food thoroughly.

2. Be happy when you eat so the body can produce enzymes to digest the

food. Research has SHOWN that being unhappy causes LESS digestion to occur.

3. Don't mix up protein, carbs and fats all in one meal.

4. Reduce stress that eats up mineral stores in the body. This is the

number one health issue today, after a toxic environment.

5. Supplement simply with magnesium (stress, nerves, proper bowel

function, produces over 300 enzymes), sodium (softener), and sulfur (MSM,

slides the parasites right out).

6. Eat more whole foods rich in enzymes. (millet, whole brown rice,

spirulina, amaranth)

7. Rest (sleep at night, one hour of sleep before midnight equals two of

every hour after midnight) so the body can repair the damage that you did

in the daytime.

8. Get some sunlight and play more.

If you are already a total basket case, you can waste your time and money

on magic bullets and get nowhere, but I can personally guarantee, that if

you can do just ONE of the above, you'll improve almost ALL of your health

conditions.

That's how our grandparents lived and they died of old age. They lived

well, and simply.

We need to return to that life. The body is self healing.

Be well,

[Guest guest]

Thank you , I appreciate you too! You are an intelligent, spunky

kind of girl, huh! Glad to see your still with us.................Belinda

In a message dated 02/29/2000 5:36:34 PM Central Standard Time,

michelle@... writes:

<< Belinda,

As always, you do a very good job with this information. I'm impressed

with how you internalize this info.

As an addition, re: parasites and bacteria, the body cannot function

properly without minerals. I'm not talking about colloidal minerals. I'm

talking about organic minerals present in whole foods, and the proper

enzyme activity to utilize them. That sums up the whole of healing.

What is happening, is that people are destroying digestion, by eating foods

that stress the body. The body's mineral reserves are depleted and not

renewed.

Lack of sodium in the diet, compromises the body's ability to digest.

Alkalyzing minerals need to be present for the body to manufacture enzymes

and metabolize proteins. Sodium reserves stored in the joints and

gallbladder, for example are only one small picture of what is happening in

the rest of the body. The body utilizes sodium to manufacture HCL. I'm

not talking about salt, NA + CL, which forms a STRONG bond. I'm talking

about sodium.

When the minerals that the body need are not present, the environment

becomes UNFRIENDLY, ie parasite/bacteria/virus infected.

A healthy, mineral rich body will expel parasites and bacteria on it's own.

I read these lists over and over again, searching for the magic bullet.

Cure my pain, and my aches... etc.

The cure is to not abuse the body's reserves, lessen the

nutritional/dietary overload. We eat TOO MUCH, in WRONG WAYS.

The body needs to be acid in the stomach, alkaline in the small intestine,

and acid in the colon. What is happening is NOT THAT. We don't chew

enough, so the saliva does not break down anything, then the stomach isn't

acid enough (more on that later), so the food passes to the small intestine

where ABSORBTION of nutrition should be taking place.

The pancreas can't break all that mess down, because it's totally exhausted

in producing enzymes to metabolize protein and sugars. The pancreas does a

number of things, not just insulin, it also produces MEGA enzymes that

break down PROTEINS. THIS IS WHY PEOPLE ARE DYING OF TUMOR OVERLOAD.

Is this picture clear yet?

Tumors are mostly made up of proteins. The pancreatic enzymes are partly

responsible for the body being able to fight tumors.

Dr. 's program (http://whale.to) is a controlled fast, with

supplementation of certain enzymes and proteins at strategic times of the

day. This is an ideal way to stimulate the body's NATURAL self-healing

ability.

Clean blood, free of bacteria/virus/parasites, that can carry nutrition,

comes from a worry free, anger free liver (the liver is the organ of anger

and toxin removal). The liver's primary source of nutrition comes from the

small intestine's digestive products. Send down toxins to the liver, and

it's clear...... a toxic liver is for you. How in the world can it produce

healthy blood?

Simplify your life.

1. Chew your food thoroughly.

2. Be happy when you eat so the body can produce enzymes to digest the

food. Research has SHOWN that being unhappy causes LESS digestion to occur.

3. Don't mix up protein, carbs and fats all in one meal.

4. Reduce stress that eats up mineral stores in the body. This is the

number one health issue today, after a toxic environment.

5. Supplement simply with magnesium (stress, nerves, proper bowel

function, produces over 300 enzymes), sodium (softener), and sulfur (MSM,

slides the parasites right out).

6. Eat more whole foods rich in enzymes. (millet, whole brown rice,

spirulina, amaranth)

7. Rest (sleep at night, one hour of sleep before midnight equals two of

every hour after midnight) so the body can repair the damage that you did

in the daytime.

8. Get some sunlight and play more.

If you are already a total basket case, you can waste your time and money

on magic bullets and get nowhere, but I can personally guarantee, that if

you can do just ONE of the above, you'll improve almost ALL of your health

conditions.

That's how our grandparents lived and they died of old age. They lived

well, and simply.

We need to return to that life. The body is self healing.

Be well,

>>

[Guest guest]

HI Robynn and everyone,

I have success with Zithromax 600 mgs daily for my arthritis. Have had

it for years. I have taken all kinds of NSAIDS over the years, but the

Zithromax seems to keep the flares at a minumin, not like when I first got it.

The other abx did not work for the arthritis but did help my lyme in the

beginning. I have had lyme 7 years.

Dr. L. the other nite on the audio talk said many people with lyme can

control it with abx just like other diseases. Said he didn't know why, but

it works with some. It works with me.

I was off for a week for allergy testing. Thought I was going to kick

the bucket. I would have it my foot hadn't hurt so bad. LOL. Also was off

everything else for 3 days. I was allergic to so much my arms broke out in

blisters.

I am reading posts, thanks to all who post information. I sometimes

don't have time to answer, but do enjoy all your information and comments.

Please everyone hang in there, this disease is rotten but we can prevail,

Hugs to all,

Connie, MI

[Guest guest]

Dear Le, I am probably not the one to ask the questions of pertaining to

RA as my diagnosis is scleroderma. There are many people with RA here on

the list and I will post this answer to you in order that the RAers can see

your concerns and perhaps answer them better than I can.

1. I have not read about the JMT method (the acupuncture) for cure.

Perhaps someone here can advise you if they have tried this.

2. The theory with antibiotic protocol is that you more than likely will

take some form of oral the rest of your life. At least with scleroderma,

this is a fact for me. I hear that some of the RAers have been able to go

off but more seem to feel that they are risking relapse should to

completely go off and have decided to stay safe.

3. My doctor used a local laboratory here in Billings, Montana to draw,

if I remember correctly, 19 vials of blood for all sorts of testing. All

but one were sent to Great Smokies Diagnostic Laboratory, 63 Zillicoa

Street, Asheville, North Carolina 28801-1074. The other test was read at

Mayo Clinic but I don't recall which test that was. Blood samples were

done for mycoplasms, chamydia, metals, allergens and candida to name a few.

4. Antibiotics will kill the friendly bacteria in your gut if you don't

take care of it properly. I am proof of that. I was overzealous in

watching out for that bacteria and overdid it. Am now doing my best to put

the friendly bacteria back by using LOTS of probiotics, aloevera juice,

slippery elm, olive leaf extract and a little colloidal silver. This is

something to know about but the results from doing the antibiotic protocol

far outweighs this challenge. I still feel that way.

5. For over a year and a half, I have followed Dr. Brown's protocol. I

believe in that. I have seen too many people here on the support site who

have gotten their entire lives back. You have to know it works.

6. I don't know of any other alternative therapy to kill mycoplasms. I

have done some chelation, hydrogen peroxide iv and one DMPS. Because of my

high mercury level, obviously, I am either goingn to probably have to do

more chelations or DMPS which I hear can be pretty nasty. At least if you

are only dealing with mycoplasms, the antibiotic protocol is not nasty

stuff.

Le, I hope this has been of help to you. I don't know in which country

you are living but I wish you all the best God has to offer. Warm regards,

> [Original Message]

> From: Le Chau <chaule@...>

> <slfain@...>

> Date: 3/11/2001 9:01:28 AM

> Subject: Arthritis

>

> Dear Fain,

>

> I feel happy for you on the road of recovery.

> I had sero negative arthritis (RA factor negative) and is in predisone

and NSAID. I have the following questions and appreciated vey much if you

could advise me:

>

> 1. Do you heard about JMT method, as in

http://www.jmt-jafmeltechnique.com/ which reverse RA, sclredoderma etc by

means of acupuncture. I have called them and they said 80% success rate for

RA , scleredoderma and 95% for osteoarthritis. I thought of trying it out

(although very far from my country - 22 hours by plane) and if you have

more info on this, please let me know.

>

> 2. How long do I need to take the antibiotics and am I going to take it

for the whole life?

>

> 1.. I heard antibiotics will kill all the friend bacteria in our gut

and how do you overcome it?

> 2.. Did you send your blood sample for mycoplasma test? Can you

recommend one laboratory which is more popular and recognized.

> 3.. They are a different protocols available (RBF, DR Brown's etc).

Which one should I follow?

> 4.. Any other alternative medicine you ever heard of that can kill the

mycoplasma besides antibiotics?

>

>

> Thanks and regards

>

> Le

>

>

--- Fain

--- slfain@...

--- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I did try acupuncture for RA but I started having more joints being affected

with pain and swelling. Looking back, it might well have been a herx.

However, I stopped this treatment after one month as it didn't help at all.

Wishing you a speedy recovery,

Zanash

Arthritis

> >

> > Dear Fain,

> >

> > I feel happy for you on the road of recovery.

> > I had sero negative arthritis (RA factor negative) and is in predisone

> and NSAID. I have the following questions and appreciated vey much if you

> could advise me:

> >

> > 1. Do you heard about JMT method, as in

> http://www.jmt-jafmeltechnique.com/ which reverse RA, sclredoderma etc by

> means of acupuncture. I have called them and they said 80% success rate

for

> RA , scleredoderma and 95% for osteoarthritis. I thought of trying it out

> (although very far from my country - 22 hours by plane) and if you have

> more info on this, please let me know.

> >

> > 2. How long do I need to take the antibiotics and am I going to take it

> for the whole life?

> >

> > 1.. I heard antibiotics will kill all the friend bacteria in our gut

> and how do you overcome it?

> > 2.. Did you send your blood sample for mycoplasma test? Can you

> recommend one laboratory which is more popular and recognized.

> > 3.. They are a different protocols available (RBF, DR Brown's etc).

> Which one should I follow?

> > 4.. Any other alternative medicine you ever heard of that can kill the

> mycoplasma besides antibiotics?

> >

> >

> > Thanks and regards

> >

> > Le

> >

> >

>

>

>

> --- Fain

> --- slfain@...

> --- EarthLink: It's your Internet.

>

>

>

>

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>

>

>

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I have had great luck with MSM. I have been on it for about a month. My pain

level is lower and that makes me happier. I also take Glucosamine with

chondroitin. I fell a few years ago and the glucosamine complex is the only

thing that helped me...until you all on the list talked me into MSM. And

AGAIN...I would like to thank you! I am taking 1000mg...going to bump it up

to 1500mg. in split doses.

[Guest guest]

Hi

Try putting you MSM in to a water bottle and sipping it throughout the day.

It is supposed to be better this way.

Re: arthritis

> I have had great luck with MSM. I have been on it for about a month. My

pain

> level is lower and that makes me happier. I also take Glucosamine with

> chondroitin. I fell a few years ago and the glucosamine complex is the

only

> thing that helped me...until you all on the list talked me into MSM. And

> AGAIN...I would like to thank you! I am taking 1000mg...going to bump it

up

> to 1500mg. in split doses.

>

>

>

>

>

> Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to

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[Guest guest]

I think next time around I will try the powdered . I can mix it in water and

make myself some lotion!

[Guest guest]

You are also able to dissolve the MSM in aloe vera

gel to make a lotion to apply directly to the sore

joint. I havn't tried this myself but I know it

is cheaper to make it than to buy the lotion already

made. But sometimes buying a good product that works

is worthwhile.

LIZ D

> [Original Message]

> From: Nick Grant <nwgrant@...>

> <candidiasis >

> Date: 5/4/01 2:43:39 PM

> Subject: Re: arthritis

>

> Hi

>

> Try putting you MSM in to a water bottle and sipping it throughout the

day.

> It is supposed to be better this way.

>

>

> Re: arthritis

>

>

> > I have had great luck with MSM. I have been on it for about a month. My

> pain

> > level is lower and that makes me happier. I also take Glucosamine with

> > chondroitin. I fell a few years ago and the glucosamine complex is the

> only

> > thing that helped me...until you all on the list talked me into MSM. And

> > AGAIN...I would like to thank you! I am taking 1000mg...going to bump

it

> up

> > to 1500mg. in split doses.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want

to

> UNSUBSCRIBE !

> >

[Guest guest]

How much MSM do you use when adding it with a lotion? I think for adding it

in my water bottle I would just empty one of my capsules. But I don't know

about how much for a lotion?

[Guest guest]

I don't remember the amount of MSM used in lotion.

It wouldn't hurt to experiment. Anyone else know?

LIZ D

> [Original Message]

> From: 2moons <2moons@...>

> <candidiasis >

> Date: 5/6/01 1:21:21 PM

> Subject: Re: arthritis

>

> How much MSM do you use when adding it with a lotion? I think for adding

it

> in my water bottle I would just empty one of my capsules. But I don't know

> about how much for a lotion?

>

>

> Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to

UNSUBSCRIBE !

>

[Guest guest]

OK. Digest form works well for me. Should I remove myself from the regular

listserv or will that remove me from the digest listserv as well?

Cheryl -Bruce, MD

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The Center

For Exceptional Children and Families, Inc.

" Where growth begins "

PO Box 732

Belmont, CA 94002-0732

650-591-1181

Toll free:877-869-2436

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cheryl@...

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I would like to receive the DIGEST version of this listserv too. How do I

get it?

Kessler - Founder of DAC (disabled Action committee)

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Dale City, VA 22193

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[Guest guest]

Kessler

Are you by any chance the father of Kessler?

Cheryl -Bruce, MD

President/Founder

The Center

For Exceptional Children and Families, Inc.

" Where growth begins "

PO Box 732

Belmont, CA 94002-0732

650-591-1181

Toll free:877-869-2436

http://www.gregorycenter.org

cheryl@...

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/16/2002 6:23:52 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

Center@... writes:

>

> Are you by any chance the father of Kessler?

>

No, sorry I'm not....in fact I wish I would have had some kids:)

Kessler-