why?

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In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:23:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

GranolaMama5@... writes:

my

little boy 3 months old rolled over for the first time this morning.

aw,,,that is so cute,,,was he surprised?

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yep and alays use delete and dont read them you can see the topic etc

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[Guest guest]

These off-topic messages really bother me. I love the group and the relevant

information. But it is a waste of time to read these messages. No matter how

many times the listowner refers to OT4VAX (or whatever it is), I feel this forum

is being abused when messages like this come across. There are other lists to

talk about breastfeeding, child development, parenting, etc etc.

Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

Re: Why?

In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:23:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

GranolaMama5@ <mailto:GranolaMama5%40aol.com> aol.com writes:

my

little boy 3 months old rolled over for the first time this morning.

aw,,,that is so cute,,,was he surprised?

Holly

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[Guest guest]

alicia, don't sweat the small stuff. it's not that big a deal..

Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

~~~~ " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. " - Albert

Einstein, 1901~~~~ " When we give government the power to make medical decisions

for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies " ~U.S.

Representative Ron , MD. ~~~~ "

" The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. ,

National Institutes of Health

www.vaclib.org

www.909shot.com

http://www.vacinfo.org/

http://www.vran.org/

http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm

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Re: Why?

In a message dated 5/14/2008 8:23:45 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

GranolaMama5@ <mailto:GranolaMama5%40aol.com> aol.com writes:

my

little boy 3 months old rolled over for the first time this morning.

aw,,,that is so cute,,,was he surprised?

Holly

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[Guest guest]

Just in case you hadn't realized: your post is also off-topic making you

just as guilty as the woman who did so in the first place Oh and

speaking about it: so is mine. If it really bothers you that badly, maybe

you could contact the owner/moderator directly?

I am on 88 (yes, that is eighty-eight) , almost all on

individual emails. I don't think anyone here gets the volume of email I do

and I never mind a small aside, especially when it has to do with something

happy a list member has had happen. BTW GranolaMama, congrats on your son

rolling over!! If there's one thing I've learned it is that the little

things in life are what keep one cheerful and a good mood really helps

maintain good health.

-Lana

On 5/14/08, ann.alicia@... <ann.alicia@...> wrote:

>

> These off-topic messages really bother me. I love the group and the

> relevant information. But it is a waste of time to read these messages. No

> matter how many times the listowner refers to OT4VAX (or whatever it is), I

> feel this forum is being abused when messages like this come across. There

> are other lists to talk about breastfeeding, child development, parenting,

> etc etc.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

[Guest guest]

well said lana... it's not that big a deal. we all come here to get encouraged

and share each other's experiences. if there is something i don't have the time

or desire to read i skip over it. that simple... no need for negative remarks.

i guess i am guilty too.

Arianna Mojica- (UCC 1-207/1-103)

~~~ " All rights not demanded are presumed waived " . ~ Thurston

~~~~ " A foolish faith in authority is the worst enemy of truth. " - Albert

Einstein, 1901~~~~ " When we give government the power to make medical decisions

for us, we, in essence, accept that the state owns our bodies " ~U.S.

Representative Ron , MD. ~~~~ "

" The only safe vaccine is a vaccine that is never used " -- Dr. A. ,

National Institutes of Health

www.vaclib.org

www.909shot.com

http://www.vacinfo.org/

http://www.vran.org/

http://www.momtoanangel.net/ingred.htm

http://forcedanarchy.blogspot.com/

Re: Why?

Just in case you hadn't realized: your post is also off-topic making you

just as guilty as the woman who did so in the first place Oh and

speaking about it: so is mine. If it really bothers you that badly, maybe

you could contact the owner/moderator directly?

I am on 88 (yes, that is eighty-eight) , almost all on

individual emails. I don't think anyone here gets the volume of email I do

and I never mind a small aside, especially when it has to do with something

happy a list member has had happen. BTW GranolaMama, congrats on your son

rolling over!! If there's one thing I've learned it is that the little

things in life are what keep one cheerful and a good mood really helps

maintain good health.

-Lana

On 5/14/08, ann.alicia (DOT) com <ann.alicia (DOT) com> wrote:

>

> These off-topic messages really bother me. I love the group and the

> relevant information. But it is a waste of time to read these messages. No

> matter how many times the listowner refers to OT4VAX (or whatever it is), I

> feel this forum is being abused when messages like this come across. There

> are other lists to talk about breastfeeding, child development, parenting,

> etc etc.

> Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

>

[Guest guest]

-I will agree with that!!!! I have to admit I LOVE hearing about the

small OT stuff from time to time not to mention how much I have

learned from people like and Winnie so it just becomes natural

to want to ask other stuff stemming from the whole vaccination issue.

Rina

-- In Vaccinations , " Lana Gibbons "

<lana.m.gibbons@...> wrote:

>

> Just in case you hadn't realized: your post is also off-topic

making you

> just as guilty as the woman who did so in the first place Oh

and

> speaking about it: so is mine. If it really bothers you that

badly, maybe

> you could contact the owner/moderator directly?

>

> I am on 88 (yes, that is eighty-eight) , almost all on

> individual emails. I don't think anyone here gets the volume of

email I do

> and I never mind a small aside, especially when it has to do with

something

> happy a list member has had happen. BTW GranolaMama, congrats on

your son

> rolling over!! If there's one thing I've learned it is that the

little

> things in life are what keep one cheerful and a good mood really

helps

> maintain good health.

>

> -Lana

>

> On 5/14/08, ann.alicia@... <ann.alicia@...> wrote:

> >

> > These off-topic messages really bother me. I love the group and

the

> > relevant information. But it is a waste of time to read these

messages. No

> > matter how many times the listowner refers to OT4VAX (or whatever

it is), I

> > feel this forum is being abused when messages like this come

across. There

> > are other lists to talk about breastfeeding, child development,

parenting,

> > etc etc.

> > Sent via BlackBerry by AT & T

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I know, it can be hard. But I do feel better and that's what keeps me

going. I try to connect with people as people rather than thru food

events .

Hang in there... it helps me to know that I'm not alone and you all

are moving along as well.

Genevieve

>

> Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things?

but

> we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on

this

> diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

>

[Guest guest]

And once you start trying to transition to this regimen you can't

yo-yo back and forth.. unless you're a masochist and enjoy the pain.

And you know.. maybe that's a characteristic of people who are more

susceptible to candida imbalance issues?

It's been said that Crohnie's (people diag-nonsensed w/Crohn's

disease) are those who have a " should " mentality.. feeling like they

should do this or that and feel bad about themselves cause they don't

do as they think they should.. no matter what the issue.

I would like to know why so many people seem to do fine on " regular "

diets. I used to be one of those. I thought my stomach could handle

anything. You could wonder the same about people who seem to do fine

on raw or vegetarian or vegan diets. It has been documented that some

(well it was at least one highly evolved saint) people live w/no food

for years. Is it a matter of where different people evolved from? Is

it a matter of the level of self consciousness?

I would really like to know why myself.. but then would it really make

any difference where I'm concerned? It's still just me and I'm the one

who has to figure out what's going to work.. and perhaps that is as it

*should* be. It's my lesson to learn.. as it is any/everyone else's

per their situation.

???

>

> Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things? but

> we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on this

> diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

>

[Guest guest]

Hi there,

In all likelihood they have candida, too, but they just don't talk

about it. Bee says that about 75-80% of the population has candida and

judging from most people eat, you can see why.

>

> Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things?

but

> we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on this

> diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, I understand what u mean. Socialising is the tough part. Having to

sit around with friends while they eat all your favourite foods....

ARRGGGH!!!

But I guess the question you're asking is similar to WHY do some people

get cancer & others dont?

My great grandpa smoked his pipe everyday, ate everything & lived to a

ripe old age & didnt get cancer. My grandmother, never smoked in her

life but got lung cancer & died. BTW, she's not related to my great

grandpa.

A friend of ours got a heart attack at 35 and then went into raw food.

He's now 45, fit as hell & watches his diet strictly.

I guess it's really up to us, no pt asking why. We all know our bodies

best & we each have to do what we can to heal our bodies. Whether it is

changing our diet, exercising or changing our lifestyle.

Shirin

>

> Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things?

but

> we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on this

> diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things? but

> we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on this

> diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

>

I know, I feel jealous too sometimes of others who can eat what they please. On

the one

hand it probably has soemthing to do with their immune systems being

extraordinarily

strong. But that doesn't help much cause still why are our immune systems weak?

I often try to investigate and find out what these lucky people have that makes

them so

healthy. I have found that many of them don't worry much. Worry is something

that

seems to suppress my immune system.

I also do believe that if I had not gotten this sick I would have continued

living in an

unhealthy way, I may have been looking healthy to others, but then one day I'd

run into a

wall of ill health. By that point it might have been too late for me to do

anything about it.

Us who have been lucky enough to have found Bee's program, we have the time

necessary

to heal naturally. I think in many ways my illnesses have been a blessing as

they warned

me of the possible consequences my unhealthy lifestyle.

I also think about how Eskimos are the happiest people in the world. I used to

think

candy, ice cream and pizza made me happy but now I know that's not at all the

case since

it comes with such a heavy price in health and is very short lived.

[Guest guest]

I do think there's a missing component to this affliction. And I

suppose when enough people including some doctors start suffering

this, then they'll start researching it. A couple of my theories

about why I can't over come this with years of trying different

things are 1) Lyme disease or some inherited pathogen (because my mom

had some very similar and specific symptoms and so does my son, 2) my

personality type and how I handle stress, 3) having no tonsils. ( I

tried to get a show of hands some time back to see how many of us,

with years of getting sicker behind us, have actually had their

tonsils out.) Obviously immune function is lagging but why is it

progressive with some and not others.

On 21-Oct-08, at 6:11 PM, wrote:

> And once you start trying to transition to this regimen you can't

> yo-yo back and forth.. unless you're a masochist and enjoy the pain.

> And you know.. maybe that's a characteristic of people who are more

> susceptible to candida imbalance issues?

>

> It's been said that Crohnie's (people diag-nonsensed w/Crohn's

> disease) are those who have a " should " mentality.. feeling like they

> should do this or that and feel bad about themselves cause they don't

> do as they think they should.. no matter what the issue.

>

> I would like to know why so many people seem to do fine on " regular "

> diets. I used to be one of those. I thought my stomach could handle

> anything. You could wonder the same about people who seem to do fine

> on raw or vegetarian or vegan diets. It has been documented that some

> (well it was at least one highly evolved saint) people live w/no food

> for years. Is it a matter of where different people evolved from? Is

> it a matter of the level of self consciousness?

>

> I would really like to know why myself.. but then would it really make

> any difference where I'm concerned? It's still just me and I'm the one

> who has to figure out what's going to work.. and perhaps that is as it

> *should* be. It's my lesson to learn.. as it is any/everyone else's

> per their situation.

>

> ???

>

>

>

>

> >

> > Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> > cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> > candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things?

> but

> > we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on

> this

> > diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> > hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> > crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

> >

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

There are also genetic defects which probably play into it. There is one

called MTHFR gene mutation. I understand that 20% of the population has two

copies of that and they are not able to detoxify as well as those who don't

have it or only have one copy. That might be why some people take so long

to get to the point they can take all the supplements and antifungals, but

I am only guessing.

Irene

At 11:32 AM 10/22/2008, you wrote:

>I do think there's a missing component to this affliction. And I

>suppose when enough people including some doctors start suffering

>this, then they'll start researching it. A couple of my theories

>about why I can't over come this with years of trying different

>things are 1) Lyme disease or some inherited pathogen (because my mom

>had some very similar and specific symptoms and so does my son, 2) my

>personality type and how I handle stress, 3) having no tonsils. ( I

>tried to get a show of hands some time back to see how many of us,

>with years of getting sicker behind us, have actually had their

>tonsils out.) Obviously immune function is lagging but why is it

>progressive with some and not others.

>

>FR

>On 21-Oct-08, at 6:11 PM, wrote:

>

> > And once you start trying to transition to this regimen you can't

> > yo-yo back and forth.. unless you're a masochist and enjoy the pain.

> > And you know.. maybe that's a characteristic of people who are more

> > susceptible to candida imbalance issues?

> >

> > It's been said that Crohnie's (people diag-nonsensed w/Crohn's

> > disease) are those who have a " should " mentality.. feeling like they

> > should do this or that and feel bad about themselves cause they don't

> > do as they think they should.. no matter what the issue.

> >

> > I would like to know why so many people seem to do fine on " regular "

> > diets. I used to be one of those. I thought my stomach could handle

> > anything. You could wonder the same about people who seem to do fine

> > on raw or vegetarian or vegan diets. It has been documented that some

> > (well it was at least one highly evolved saint) people live w/no food

> > for years. Is it a matter of where different people evolved from? Is

> > it a matter of the level of self consciousness?

> >

> > I would really like to know why myself.. but then would it really make

> > any difference where I'm concerned? It's still just me and I'm the one

> > who has to figure out what's going to work.. and perhaps that is as it

> > *should* be. It's my lesson to learn.. as it is any/everyone else's

> > per their situation.

> >

> > ???

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Why some people can eat everything (pastries, chocolate, pizza, ice

> > > cream all kind of carb etc... and don't have the problems that we

> > > candida sufferers have? how they get away with eating this things?

> > but

> > > we don't? sometimes I ask myself for how long do I have to be on

> > this

> > > diet and not enjoying eating everything like other people do? It's

> > > hard to go out and socialize with friends when all they eat is cake,

> > > crepe, muffin, ice cream and drinking coffee!

> > >

> >

> >

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> I do think there's a missing component to this affliction. And I

> suppose when enough people including some doctors start suffering

> this, then they'll start researching it. A couple of my theories

> about why I can't over come this with years of trying different

> things are 1) Lyme disease or some inherited pathogen (because my

mom

> had some very similar and specific symptoms and so does my son, 2)

my

> personality type and how I handle stress, 3) having no tonsils. (

I

> tried to get a show of hands some time back to see how many of us,

> with years of getting sicker behind us, have actually had their

> tonsils out.) Obviously immune function is lagging but why is it

> progressive with some and not others.

+++Hi . Lyme's disease is caused by the body creating it in

order to clean itself up of toxins. In other words you do

not " catch " germs, viruses and bacteria, instead your own body

creates them for a very good reason - see this article:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/germ12.php

Second, inherited tendencies are caused by the " poor nutritional "

status acquired upon conception from both parents. Dr. Price proved

that inherited tendencies are not " set in stone " since " proper

nutrition " changes/corrects DNA/genes.

Third, I had my tonsils out when I was 19 years old but I still cured

my candida.

Bee

[Guest guest]

>

> There are also genetic defects which probably play into it. There is

one

> called MTHFR gene mutation. I understand that 20% of the population

has two

> copies of that and they are not able to detoxify as well as those who

don't

> have it or only have one copy. That might be why some people take so

long

> to get to the point they can take all the supplements and

antifungals, but

> I am only guessing.

+++Hi Irene. The good news is that DNA/genes are corrected

with " proper nutrients " per Dr. Weston A. Price.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Well that is good news.

Thanks,

Irene

At 04:42 AM 10/23/2008, you wrote:

>

> >

> > There are also genetic defects which probably play into it. There is

>one

> > called MTHFR gene mutation. I understand that 20% of the population

>has two

> > copies of that and they are not able to detoxify as well as those who

>don't

> > have it or only have one copy. That might be why some people take so

>long

> > to get to the point they can take all the supplements and

>antifungals, but

> > I am only guessing.

>

>+++Hi Irene. The good news is that DNA/genes are corrected

>with " proper nutrients " per Dr. Weston A. Price.

>

>Bee

>

>

[Guest guest]

This was a question posed by a woman who was fasting and using orange juice, got very sick and was diagnosed with Lupus.....................

Does anyone know why people with inflammatory disorders are supposed to avoid citrus juices?

Thanks, Shari

[Guest guest]

That's funny.I've read it's a collagen disorder.I've read it's due to food allergies.I've read it's due to too many toxins.Now it's a virus.Drs say no one knows the cause. For once they might be right about something!Candace"The person who says it cannot be done should not interrupt the person doing it."~Chinese Proverb~Sent from my iPhoneOn Feb 7, 2010, at 12:09 PM, "Bret" <patientadvocate2@...> wrote:

Everything make sense when you understand Lupus is ultimately caused by a virus.

Fasting? Hmmmm. Not a good idea if your are harboring chronic, dormant virus. Drinking nothing but acidic juices while fasting sound awfully harsh on the body chemistry.

For more info here is the latest on the secret and cryptic autoimmune world. Shhhh! They all want you to believe your body is killing itself.

http://www.americancanceradvocates.com/Autoimmune_Discoveries.html

>

> This was a question posed by a woman who was fasting and using orange juice, got very sick and was diagnosed with Lupus.....................

>

> Does anyone know why people with inflammatory disorders are supposed to avoid citrus juices?

>

> Thanks, Shari

>