Baking Soda

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I'll check this one out also.

Thanks

GB

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> Here's one:

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> Dr. Simoncini cancer therapy with sodium bicarbonate - cancer and

fungus

> http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

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Apparently baking soda stops MMS from working completely (so does C). But you can take the BS hours apart from the MMS. Just give MMS enough time to do its initial work, and then you can take your BS.

Jim says MMS kills everything. There are others that doubt that. Hard to say who is right and who is wrong. Jim says that MMS kills fungus, and that nothing can become immune to MMS, but there is a doctor that uses MMS and says that after a while fungus does become immune to it. So he suggests taking MMS for a while (about 2 weeks) and then switching to another fungicide for 2 weeks and then switching back to MMS, and so forth.

Samala,

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I saw JH's response, which included the info that baking soda stops MMS

from working. Does that mean it stops any activity going on at cell

level, or just neutralizes what's in your stomach. If you take it away

from the MMS (hours) is it ok to take baking soda on the same day?

I thought MMS got to

everything and wiped out any foreign pathogen in the body. Isn't that

what JH says in his books?

[Guest guest]

At 12:06 PM 18/06/2008, you wrote: " Jim says MMS kills

everything. There are others that doubt that. Hard to say who

is right and who is wrong. Jim says that MMS kills fungus, and that

nothing can become immune to MMS, but there is a doctor that uses MMS and

says that after a while fungus does become immune to it. So he

suggests taking MMS for a while (about 2 weeks) and then switching to

another fungicide for 2 weeks and then switching back to MMS, and so

forth. "

Jim contradicts himself regarding fungus here:

http://mmsadvisor.com/?cat=168

Scroll down to last message to find this:

" Because the worse diseases that could be out there would be fungus

and modern science has no cure for. Only the Aztec clay can do

that. "

Best wishes........LD

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I saw JH's response, which included the info that baking soda stops

MMS

from working. Does that mean it stops any activity going on at cell

level, or just neutralizes what's in your stomach. If you take it

away

from the MMS (hours) is it ok to take baking soda on the same day?

I thought MMS got to

everything and wiped out any foreign pathogen in the body. Isn't

that

what JH says in his books?

[Guest guest]

I don't think it's so much that Jim contradicts himself, as that he is learning (as we do) as he goes along and gets more feedback from people and doctors. He may have this new information in his book. Don't know as I got my book back when he still only had the first version out, then he did send me the updated one. But perhaps by now there is an even newer version of things he's learned along the way.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Jim contradicts himself regarding fungus here:http://mmsadvisor.com/?cat=168

[Guest guest]

" Contradicts " was meant to be

non-pejorative. I should have been more careful with my choice of

words though. He IS still learning. I do feel at times that

his answers to questions on that page do not contain enough

explanation. I cannot seem to find a way to ask a question on that

page. Does anyone know?

http://mmsadvisor.com

Thanks........LD

At 01:09 PM 18/06/2008, you wrote:

I don't think it's so much that

Jim contradicts himself, as that he is learning (as we do) as he goes

along and gets more feedback from people and doctors. He may have

this new information in his book. Don't know as I got my book back

when he still only had the first version out, then he did send me the

updated one. But perhaps by now there is an even newer version of

things he's learned along the way.

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

Jim contradicts himself regarding fungus here:

http://mmsadvisor.com/?cat=168

[Guest guest]

I haven't been to his overhauled site in quite a while, but before there was a separate page where you could write him with questions. Maybe just look around for a contact page?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I cannot seem to find a way to ask a question on that page. Does anyone know?

[Guest guest]

Thanks . I've registered and that seems to be the

way to ask questions.

LD

At 01:22 AM 19/06/2008, you wrote:

I haven't been to his overhauled

site in quite a while, but before there was a separate page where you

could write him with questions. Maybe just look around for a

contact page?

Samala,

-------Original Message-------

I cannot seem to find a way to ask a question on that page. Does

anyone know?

[Guest guest]

Hello Helen, It is my understanding that some bacteria like an alkaline environment and viruses/fungi like an acidic environment. Have you found that the Baking Soda Cancer Cure causes things like urinary tract infection? I'd be happy to have a urinary tract infection over cancer, but I'm just curious.

I just started Salt/C Protocol (4 grams/day) and added 1/2 tsp. Baking Soda twice a day and within a week I had a pretty good bacterial sore throat, however, after 3 days I'm almost back to normal and I'm thinking it may have been a MAJOR Herx instead.

I'm Type O blood which tends to be very acidic. What is your experience with bacteria?Thank you,Brad

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so if baking soda in water neutralizes MMS then it makes it ineffective? because my aunt cant take more than one drop and yet one drop is making her puke. I dont know what to tell her to avoid it in advance.

With my stomach outside my body from violent heaving, I think I'd pray to-keep the diseases!!-- Alan (alanmjonesgmail (DOT) com)

[Guest guest]

Hello BradI have to say "I don't know".I have not been doing the Baking Soda longenough to experience a result or a reactionwith bacteria. I have studied a lot aboutalkalizing over the last few years because Isell the Miracle 2 products which are veryalkaline. I am a big believer in gettingalkalized. When people get alkalized they tell of all sorts of problems disappearingsuch as Diabetes and much more.I think, generally speaking, bacteria and otherpathogens do not like alkaline. If I tended to have an acid system, I would take at least a ½ teaspoon of b. soda 2 or 3 times a day. Testyour urine with pH strips a few times a day forthe first week or two. You will see how fast your pH changes

from the baking soda.If I had a urinary infection, I would take 40,000 I. U. of Vitamin A every day for abouta week ...the kind that comes with Vitamin D3.Then I would reduce it to 20,000 units a day. I can tell you that I have seen all sorts of infections go with this much Vitamin A with D3.Bladder infection and eye infection are just 2examples. If I could afford it, I would take 50 mg zinc and 800 IU of Vitamin E also. I'd continue with the Vit C.and take all with the Vitamin A and D. Eating rightis good, too.Colloidal Silver and Olive Leaf extract are supposeto be good, too, but I have not used them.My daughter kept having eye infections and we usually had the doctor give us something for it.Then I read about Vitamin A being good for thisso the next time she had an eye infection, I gave her Vitamin A in big doses. I said if it

didn'thelp by morning I would take her to the doctor.By morning her eye was much better. I gave hersome more Vitamin A and that evening there wasno evidence of an infection. I had her continuethe vitamins for another week to make surethe infection didn't return. A year or so later,she had another infection and this time becausewe treated it right away, it was gone before the day was finished. That was lucky because wewere in the US without medical coverage. Ibegan giving her smaller doses of vitamins on aregular basis and that was the end of eye infections.Another friend of mine had a bladder infection. I told her about the vitamins. She couldn't believehow quickly her symptoms left her after taking thevitamins for just 1 day.Let me know how that works for you. If you don't get results, you should consider bathing in the

Miracle 2 Soap and drinking some of the Miracle2Neutralizer. It is not very expensive and they really do do miracles often. Here's the site > > www.miracle2network.com/rejuvenate They don't ship to Canada.If you have any other questions or comments, please get in touch.Helen From: Brad Andersen

<bradandersen@...> Sent: Friday, November 7, 2008 10:53:11 AMSubject: [ ] Re: Baking Soda

Hello Helen, It is my understanding that some bacteria like an alkaline environment and viruses/fungi like an acidic environment. Have you found that the Baking Soda Cancer Cure causes things like urinary tract infection? I'd be happy to have a urinary tract infection over cancer, but I'm just curious.

I just started Salt/C Protocol (4 grams/day) and added 1/2 tsp. Baking Soda twice a day and within a week I had a pretty good bacterial sore throat, however, after 3 days I'm almost back to normal and I'm thinking it may have been a MAJOR Herx instead.

I'm Type O blood which tends to be very acidic. What is your experience with bacteria?Thank you,Brad

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Have you tried topical administering of MMS? I have heard many people say that it doesnt have the same nausea effect that taking MMS orally does.

Basicly activate the MMS with whatever acid 1/5 ratio wait 3 minutes ,mix it with DMSO and apply it to the skin.

Wilkins

With my stomach outside my body from violent heaving, I think I'd pray to-keep the diseases!!-- Alan (alanmjonesgmail (DOT) com)

[Guest guest]

where do you get this DMSO people talk about?

With my stomach outside my body from violent heaving, I think I'd pray to-keep the diseases!!-- Alan (alanmjonesgmail (DOT) com)

[Guest guest]

DMSO is a universal solvent and a carrier. It carries other

substances into your body through the skin. I got mine at my local

health food store.

You can also buy it over the internet. this is also recomended as

part of the MMS cancer cure .

IN NC

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> With my stomach outside my body from violent heaving, I think I'd

pray to-keep the diseases!!

> --

> Alan (alanmjonesgmail (DOT) com)

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Some people have such high pathogen and toxin loads they need to start lower than one drop. Tell her to start with 1/2 drop. Make 1 drop than only drink 1/2 the liquid. Also putting a little something in your stomach can buffer the negative side effects. Lastly, detoxing any way she can to reduce her toxin load would benefit her a lot. Epson salt baths (with H2o2) are wonderful and cheap. Some just do Epson salt foot baths and they say they work very well.

Hope that helps,

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so if baking soda in water neutralizes MMS then it makes it ineffective? because my aunt cant take more than one drop and yet one drop is making her puke. I dont know what to tell her to avoid it in advance.

[Guest guest]

This is the way I do it also. So much better on the stomach! I think this is a vastly superior way of taking MMS.--

-- RE: [ ] baking soda

Have you tried topical administering of MMS? I have heard many people say that it doesnt have the same nausea effect that taking MMS orally does.

Basicly activate the MMS with whatever acid 1/5 ratio wait 3 minutes ,mix it with DMSO and apply it to the skin.

Wilkins

With my stomach outside my body from violent heaving, I think I'd pray to-keep the diseases!!-- Alan (alanmjonesgmail (DOT) com)

[Guest guest]

Just google "DMSO" and you will get tons of results. It is a byproduct of wood pulp. It will pull anything into your system very rapidly and efficiently.

Many people put a few drops into their MMS and drink it. My daughter uses the cream version on her joints when they hurt. Takes away inflammation quickly.

Others use it for topical MMS application. It does not smell good and you will taste it in your mouth soon after using,

This shows you how powerful it is. If you use it topically make sure the area is clean because whatever is on your skin at that time will be drawn right into your system.

-- RE: [ ] baking soda

where do you get this DMSO people talk about?

With my stomach outside my body from violent heaving, I think I'd pray to-keep the diseases!!-- Alan (alanmjonesgmail (DOT) com)

[Guest guest]

On 11/8/2008, Vicki (genuinelysweet2002@...) wrote:

> because my aunt cant take more than one drop and yet one drop is

> making her puke.

If she is using citric acid, try using fresh lemon juice for the

activator. Some people cannot tolerate citric acid, especially if it is

the kind derived from corn.

This is why I stopped recommending citric acid, and only use fresh

emonjuice. Yes, MMS made with citric aci s a little stronger - but

honestly MMS activated with fresh lemon juice is way strong enough, and

doesn't carry the citric acid 'baggage'...

By the way... you do know that citric acid doesn't keep very long once

you've mixed it into a liquid, don't you? I think it will last a few

weeks *if* you refrigerate it, but not much longer than that.

[Guest guest]

You can do 1/2 drop portions.

Make up a one drop potion and just take half of it.

Chuck

Blue water Navy truism;

There are more planes in the ocean than there are submarines in the

sky.

On 11/8/2008 1:44:36 AM, Vicki (genuinelysweet2002@...) wrote:

> so if baking soda in water neutralizes MMS then it makes it ineffective?

> because my aunt cant take more than one drop and yet one drop is making

> her puke. I dont know what to tell her to avoid it in advance.

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Brad

Are you testing your urine for pH? You

could be too alkaline. I only recommend

large amounts of 3 or 4 teaspoons per

day for people with cancer or some other

major problem.

To keep your pH up to around 7.2 or 7.3,

you only need 1/2 teaspoon 3 times a day.

Baking Soda makes you alkaline very

quickly. Your pH can be 5.5 or so, and

after taking just 1/2 teaspoon, your pH

will probably be around 7.0 or close.

A person with cancer needs to saturate

their body for a while and then take less

to maintain the pH at 7.3 or a bit higher

until the cancer is gone. It is important

to test the urine daily or even more often.

Keep us posted. I will be interested.

Helen

>

> Hello,

>

> Please note that after a week of doing 3 teaspoons of Baking Soda a

> day I am now feeling very light headed. I am going to scale back and

> proceed slowly.

>

> http://www.ctds.info/alkaline-balance.html

>

> Thanks,

> Brad

>

[Guest guest]

Helen, Im confused. You mentioned Bras is possibly too alkaline so baking soda makes one alkaline, then wouldnt it make him more alkaline? I will have to go super slow as I am so lightheaded everyday, I dont need baking soda adding to it.

I bought some of the Bobs Red Mill aluminum free baking soda and iodized sea salt. But I am thinking I should do the baking soda thing first before the vit C and salt protocol. I quit MMS early to get my body where it suppose ot be before i take it but once its properly alkalized I want to go back to MMS or else the Vit C/Salt protocol. I dont know which. How long should I be on the baking soda protocol or what level should my PH consistently be before I start MMS or Salt/Vit C?

From: Helen <zhebee@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Baking Soda Date: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:27 PM

Hello BradAre you testing your urine for pH? Youcould be too alkaline. I only recommendlarge amounts of 3 or 4 teaspoons per day for people with cancer or some othermajor problem. To keep your pH up to around 7.2 or 7.3,you only need 1/2 teaspoon 3 times a day.Baking Soda makes you alkaline very quickly. Your pH can be 5.5 or so, andafter taking just 1/2 teaspoon, your pHwill probably be around 7.0 or close.A person with cancer needs to saturatetheir body for a while and then take lessto maintain the pH at 7.3 or a bit higheruntil the cancer is gone. It is importantto test the urine daily or even more often.Keep us posted. I will be interested.Helen--- In miracle_mineral_ supplement, "Brad Andersen"<bradandersen@ ...>

wrote:>> Hello,> > Please note that after a week of doing 3 teaspoons of Baking Soda a> day I am now feeling very light headed. I am going to scale back and> proceed slowly.> > http://www.ctds. info/alkaline- balance.html> > Thanks,> Brad>

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Hello VickiWe meet again. ) Just kidding!First, remember that the body can and doesmake sodium bicarbonate.What is sodium bicarbonate? It is baking soda.So we can agree it is not toxic. As with anything,a person can overdo it, however. Just as we don'twant too many hormones, we don't want too much sodium bicarbonate.Notice that Brad was taking 3 teaspoons a daywhich is twice as much as 1 1/2 teaspoons a day.When he got light headed, he backed off on theamount. What he was doing was "listening" to his body. That is how you do it. It is the rightthing to do. I don't know what challenges Bradis facing. I don't know if he has cancer. I wouldguess that he

does not. Not all of us will have the same reaction to takingtoo much of the baking soda. Your reaction might be different. You might get a rash. You might become edemic. You might feel like you have theflu. These reactions usually are detox reactions and is a good sign. If you want to lessen them oreliminate them, just take less and slowly work your way up. There is no urgency for you to loadup on baking soda but with your aunt there may be.The information I have is that if a person is veryacidic like those with cancer, it is quite ok to takeup to 4 tsps per day. It is what I would do if I had cancer because I would need to saturate mybody with the soda so that some of it gets to thecancer cells and kills them. This would be veryimportant if I only had a few days, weeks or months to live. (If I had several

months, I mightstart off with less) I would be wanting my urine to test at least 8.0 for a week or two. Then I woulddecrease the baking soda but I would not stop itbecause the cancer cells may not all be gone yet.It is important to keep the pH at a minimum of7.365. If I got well and lived through it, I wouldmonitor my pH regularly to ensure it stays at 7.365give or take a little, even letting it go up to 8.0 oncein a while. When I said Brad may be too alkaline, I meant exactly that. Some people use the baking soda anddo not check their pH. I don't know if Brad did or not. That is why it is important to test your urine for pH. Nothing terrible is going to happento Brad even if he overdosed a bit. Nothing terrible is going to happen to you if you overdosea bit. Ok, now let's look at autoimmune disease which is one of your problems. If I had autoimmune diseaseI would take 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda 3-4 timesa day (That's 2 teaspoons per day). If I was concernedabout that I would start by taking 1/4 teas four timesa day. I would watch for adverse effects and if I had any, I would stop the baking soda altogether for one day and then I would start it again but I would take a little less of it testing my pH all the while. The lightheadedness you are now having is not the same as what Brad is talking about, I am quite sure.For one thing, from what you are saying, you havenot started taking the baking soda yet, have you?Taking the baking soda that I am suggesting will not make you more lightheaded, at least not for acouple of weeks because it is only half of 3 tspnsper day. What this might do is take away the

lightheadedness you are experiencing now. If youbecome more lightheaded, you can stop or lessenthe doses. Isn't that simple?After being on the baking soda for a couple of months or so, you could stop it but I figure whatwill happen is that your acid-ness will return. Ifyou lost any symptoms, they will probably returnbut we won't know that until you do it.First get started and see how it goes. If it goes good, then decide about the other things you areconsidering.Remember to do what you can to eat as much rawfruit and vegs as possible. One of the reasons youmay be 'going thru hell' as you said, is that you havevery little body fat in which to store acids and otherpathogens so the acid may be trying to find places to settle in other parts of your body. Getting rid ofthe acid is so important. Also drink plenty of water.It would probably

be helpful if you did a colon cleanse, too. You can do that even if you are takingthe baking soda. The baking soda is not toxic unlessyou overdo it for a long time.Your urine pH should be at 7.365 or close to thatconsistently ...that would be the ideal. I measuremy pH several times a day to see how I am doing.Sometimes, my pH is down a bit and other times itis right on. I take 1/2 teaspoon three or four timesa day. Usually when you are using natural things, you cando them all together in the same day more or less.And I am not as careful as I might be if I was takinga chemical drug or such.Let me/us know when you start the baking soda.Please, don't keep saying you are "confused". Youbecome what you say in your mind or out loud. Itbecomes your identity. Do you want your identityto be "Confused"? Instead,

think of yourself as healthy, wealthy, wise,spiritual, confident and filled with joy. Oh, and remember to be thankful today. Don't wait untilyou are feeling better. As a man thinketh, so is he.As a woman thinketh, so is she! You are not the victim; you are the conqueror!May God bless and prosper you!Helen From: Vicki <genuinelysweet2002@...> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2008 7:43:06 PMSubject: Re: [ ] Re: Baking Soda

Helen, Im confused. You mentioned Bras is possibly too alkaline so baking soda makes one alkaline, then wouldnt it make him more alkaline? I will have to go super slow as I am so lightheaded everyday, I dont need baking soda adding to it.

I bought some of the Bobs Red Mill aluminum free baking soda and iodized sea salt. But I am thinking I should do the baking soda thing first before the vit C and salt protocol. I quit MMS early to get my body where it suppose ot be before i take it but once its properly alkalized I want to go back to MMS or else the Vit C/Salt protocol. I dont know which. How long should I be on the baking soda protocol or what level should my PH consistently be before I start MMS or Salt/Vit C?

From: Helen <zhebee (DOT) com>Subject: [miracle_mineral_ supplement] Re: Baking Sodamiracle_mineral_ supplementDate: Wednesday, November 12, 2008, 6:27 PM

Hello BradAre you testing your urine for pH? Youcould be too alkaline. I only recommendlarge amounts of 3 or 4 teaspoons per day for people with cancer or some othermajor problem. To keep your pH up to around 7.2 or 7.3,you only need 1/2 teaspoon 3 times a day.Baking Soda makes you alkaline very quickly. Your pH can be 5.5 or so, andafter taking just 1/2 teaspoon, your pHwill probably be around 7.0 or close.A person with cancer needs to saturatetheir body for a while and then take lessto maintain the pH at 7.3 or a bit higheruntil the cancer is gone. It is importantto test the urine daily or even more often.Keep us posted. I will be interested.Helen--- In miracle_mineral_ supplement@

groups. com, "Brad Andersen"<bradandersen@ ...>

wrote:>> Hello,> > Please note that after a week of doing 3 teaspoons of Baking Soda a> day I am now feeling very light headed. I am going to scale back and> proceed slowly.> > http://www.ctds. info/alkaline- balance.html> > Thanks,> Brad>

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> Please note that after a week of doing 3 teaspoons of Baking Soda a

> day I am now feeling very light headed. I am going to scale back

> and proceed slowly.

Warning: BAKING SODA CAN DEPLETE THE BODY OF ESSENTIAL VITAMINS AND

MINERALS, ESPECIALLY B VITAMINS, FOLIC ACID AND CHROMIUM!

Maybe that was what caused your dizziness?

But, there are a lot of people claiming it helped them.

One thing I do know is, contrary to popular myth, most 'acide-reflux is

NOT a problem of too MUCH acid, it is too LITTLE... this can easily be

proven by taking a small amount of raw/organic apple cider vinegar, or

some HCL tablets...

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/baking_soda.html

[Guest guest]

PC, I'd be careful with too much Baking Soda, if I were you. The truth is

that we're going to be around for a very long time, we have plenty time to

go a little slower with meds; especially drugs, food grade items, too. Dr.

Simoncini, an Italian Oncologist, whose specialty is Cancer and Baking Soda

as a cure, warns that 2 Teaspoons per day for the first week is the absolute

limit without an MD charting our path as we go. His site is:

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/index.php

See what you think. Obie.

____________________________________________________________________

I'm taking baking soda now to control whatever might be going on down

south, (slight pale discoloration) and prostatitis. Baking soda

because apple cider vinegar seems to irritate my prostate. I was

recommended 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 3x daily mixed with water. Is

this too much, on top of threelac and nystatin? I'm also wondering if

te slight discomfort is die off and if so, how long does that last?

Thanks,

PC

[Guest guest]

I'd avoid the baking soda treatment if I were you, bro'. Too much

sodium, enough to cause hypertension in about 80% of people, and

rhabdomyolysis in people who are potassium deficient. It also

neutralizes the stomach acid and destroys digestion by doing so.

Bicarb is actually net ACID because you have to exhale two molecules

of carbon as carbon dioxide in your breath for every sodium molecule

you ingest.

If you really must use the method, potassium bicarbonate is safer and

better for you, but still net acidic.

Duncan

>

> I'm taking baking soda now to control whatever might be going on

down

> south, (slight pale discoloration) and prostatitis. Baking soda

> because apple cider vinegar seems to irritate my prostate. I was

> recommended 1/2 teaspoon baking soda 3x daily mixed with water. Is

> this too much, on top of threelac and nystatin? I'm also wondering

if

> te slight discomfort is die off and if so, how long does that last?

>

> Thanks,

> PC

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Carolyn,

The doctor you speak of is Dr. Simoncini from Italy. Here is his website:

http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/

The thing you need to remember is that Candida is not cured by " killing it off. "

It just doesn't work that way. Candida is only cured by building up the immune

system, which is done by:

1. Consuming " proper nutrients " (diet plus supplements),

2. Eliminating toxins and foods that feed candida (they also feed bacteria and

cancer),

3. Eliminating damaging foods, and

4. Eliminating toxins in general.

Also, taking large quantities of baking soda can throw off your mineral balance.

If you follow Bee's diet, you will have more success in getting rid of the

candida since it does all of those 4 items listed above.

Make sure you read two important articles, so you understand candida, and know

what you need to do and why:

How to Successfully Overcome Candida

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro2.php

Curing Candida, How to Get Started

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/intro1.php

Many people have had great success on Bee's program as you can see from these

many Success Stories:

http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/success/index.php

Take care,

>

> I read a about a Doctor in Italy who believes Cancer is a fungus, an

> uses Baking Soda, I have diabetes, and suffer Candid often, this last 4 days,

have been taking 1/4 teaspoon, in warm water every day, the smell has gone, etc,

plus make my body work better, will try and find the site and email it

>

> Carolyn

>