Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

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The Yogis call it the healing crisis, doctors call it herxheimer's. As we detox the free radical stored into our fat cells to keep them from hurting us, are released from those fat cells to be eliminated, often as we detox we feel so much worse because of all these toxins, do not lose heart though and keep at it so you finally break through the other side to real health, not the "ok, I feel like me again, I'll just live with all the side effects."

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Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

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-- healthy illnes - was juice hell

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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I wanted to comment on this whole germ theory thing. That there are bacteriological pathogens there is no doubt, but by being exposed to them we gain immunity.

This will sound like child abuse, but bear with me. When my daughter was born, I knew babies had immunities from mom for the first 6-8 months. So, I didn't boil, disinfect, or heavily bleach her stuff. She was very healthy, I wasn't slovenly, just not phobic as people seem to be now. I avoided vaccinations and antibiotics for both of us since the early 70's .

Now I don't disinfect my home, I do steam clean it occasionally, but we don't do antibiotics or excessive chlorine.

In truth, I don't know what the Raw School or Nora Lenz [ germ theory and Natural Hygiene]; teaches, but this is what I know, I don't catch stuff anymore, I avoid chemicals as much as possible/microwave nothing, and do not eat packaged or fast foods, very little meat, because of damage done when I was a child, I may always have to live with it, but that's the breaks.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

http://orchardhouseheirlooms.com/product_info.php/cPath/157_163/products_id/199 survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- healthy illnes - was juice hell

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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Microwave cooking destroys the least vitamins. From the standpoint of nutrition, convenience, and safety, microwave cooking is superior. The use of microwave ovens for cooking foods is more healthful than the use of ordinary ovens. Foods retain more of their nutrient content, and microwave ovens produce FAR LESS of the carcinogens created during fuel combustion and the high temperature oxidation of fat in a regular oven. The only type of cooking which produces a smaller quantity of carcinogens in the cooking of meat is boiling. which unfortunately destroys most vitamins and other temperature sensitive, water soluble nutrients, along with the most taste. Microwave radiation does no damage because the microwave photons each carry 100,000 times to little energy to break chemical bonds and create free radicals. The photons of ordinary light are vastly more

energetic and dangerous. Greg.

From: webriter <webriter@...>Subject: Re: healthy illnes - was juice hellhealth Date: Sunday, May 23, 2010, 1:28 PM

I wanted to comment on this whole germ theory thing. That there are bacteriological pathogens there is no doubt, but by being exposed to them we gain immunity.

This will sound like child abuse, but bear with me. When my daughter was born, I knew babies had immunities from mom for the first 6-8 months. So, I didn't boil, disinfect, or heavily bleach her stuff. She was very healthy, I wasn't slovenly, just not phobic as people seem to be now. I avoided vaccinations and antibiotics for both of us since the early 70's .

Now I don't disinfect my home, I do steam clean it occasionally, but we don't do antibiotics or excessive chlorine.

In truth, I don't know what the Raw School or Nora Lenz [ germ theory and Natural Hygiene]; teaches, but this is what I know, I don't catch stuff anymore, I avoid chemicals as much as possible/microwave nothing, and do not eat packaged or fast foods, very little meat, because of damage done when I was a child, I may always have to live with it, but that's the breaks.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

http://orchardhouse heirlooms. com/product_ info.php/ cPath/157_ 163/products_ id/199 survival seeds

http://groups. / group/Christian- homesteaders/ ?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- [HAWK_Health_ Awareness] healthy illnes - was juice hell

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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That's how I was with Brock... Never had bleach or crappy harsh cleansers around and wouldn't dream of using them on something that'd go in my babys mouth!!!He nursed until he was 13 months old which I got flack for but he was never sick! Even now when the school was about to close because so many kids had the flu he was healthy as an ox!Long live germs!!!! : PCandacePS my parents never vaccinated me... And I never vaccinated Brock. And we're still alive! Go figure!Sent from my iPhoneOn May 23, 2010, at 12:28 PM, "webriter" <webriter@...> wrote:

I wanted to comment on this whole germ theory thing. That there are bacteriological pathogens there is no doubt, but by being exposed to them we gain immunity.

This will sound like child abuse, but bear with me. When my daughter was born, I knew babies had immunities from mom for the first 6-8 months. So, I didn't boil, disinfect, or heavily bleach her stuff. She was very healthy, I wasn't slovenly, just not phobic as people seem to be now. I avoided vaccinations and antibiotics for both of us since the early 70's .

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Yeah... It's frustrating though. It's hard doing an elimination diet and knocking foods out then getting better no worse no better.. Wait...When I went nuts with juicing and ate STRICTLY all raw it literally almost killed me!!!! So now I'm vegetarian and slooooowly going more n more raw. Not much juicing yet. Juicing scares me. Man did I get sick. I was training Brock on what to do if I didn't wake up.CandaceSent from my iPhoneOn May 23, 2010, at 11:29 AM, "SV" <shavig@...> wrote:

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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One of mine, my daughter nursed until she was 18 mon. I got allot of flack too but she needed it and I knew it. Today she is 20 and tells me she appreciates it lol

Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

That's how I was with Brock... Never had bleach or crappy harsh cleansers around and wouldn't dream of using them on something that'd go in my babys mouth!!!

He nursed until he was 13 months old which I got flack for but he was never sick! Even now when the school was about to close because so many kids had the flu he was healthy as an ox!

Long live germs!!!! : P

Candace

PS my parents never vaccinated me... And I never vaccinated Brock. And we're still alive! Go figure!Sent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 12:28 PM, "webriter" <webriterverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

I wanted to comment on this whole germ theory thing. That there are bacteriological pathogens there is no doubt, but by being exposed to them we gain immunity.

This will sound like child abuse, but bear with me. When my daughter was born, I knew babies had immunities from mom for the first 6-8 months. So, I didn't boil, disinfect, or heavily bleach her stuff. She was very healthy, I wasn't slovenly, just not phobic as people seem to be now. I avoided vaccinations and antibiotics for both of us since the early 70's .

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Yeah for NOT vaccinating! My kids aren't vaccinated AND I never gave them an antibiotic for ear infections and they are still alive with their hearing intact! Thank goodness for garlic oil.

Microwave has been gone for almost 30 years and antibiotics haven't hit this house for 25. I'm sure when my daughter had her appendix removed they gave her an antibiotic, but other than that we are prescription free in this household.

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

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Yeah before this lupus crap you'd never find a prescription in this apt. Just echinacea, garlic, and super tonic.Right now I'm on prednisone... Because if I don't take it within days my swelling is so bad I literally can't get out of bed. Being an unemployed single mom isn't an option!: (I've tried talking so many friends out of vaccinating their kids. I've come close to winning a few times but the drs scare tactics always win!!!!CandaceSent from my iPhoneOn May 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, "SV" <shavig@...> wrote:

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

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I get a lot of muscle and joint pain too, but I have a Nikken Kenkowave, it's infrared light and it works for my large joints, not for my hands tho' sigh. It helps when my muscles are spasming and my feet ache, or my shoulders or hips feel like they are out of joint. I don't sell them so it's not an advert.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

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Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

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Yeah before this lupus crap you'd never find a prescription in this apt. Just echinacea, garlic, and super tonic.

Right now I'm on prednisone... Because if I don't take it within days my swelling is so bad I literally can't get out of bed. Being an unemployed single mom isn't an option!

: (

I've tried talking so many friends out of vaccinating their kids. I've come close to winning a few times but the drs scare tactics always win!!!!

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

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I understand when I was mugged and the guy rearranged my neck bones I was begging for drugs, I had to lie on a heating pad for 4 weeks because the nearest hospital was 16 miles away, and IF I ever wanted them to mess me up I couldn't have driven that far anyway , I gave myself b-12 shots [got them from veterinary supply] and took massive doses of vitamin E, and it finally got better, but I wanted drugs, first and last time. I did twist kicks to get it back, but it's not right and pain follows me like a hungry puppy.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

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 Yeah for NOT vaccinating! My kids aren't vaccinated AND I never gave them an antibiotic for ear infections and they are still alive with their hearing intact! Thank goodness for garlic oil.

Microwave has been gone for almost 30 years and antibiotics haven't hit this house for 25. I'm sure when my daughter had her appendix removed they gave her an antibiotic, but other than that we are prescription free in this household.

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

[Guest guest]

Back in 1968 when Meredyth was born they did not allow nursing, I guess it was too hard on the staff. My friend who always [now] has home births [she's got 8] , says she caught the nurse trying to vaccinate her new born and then tried to give him a bottle AFTER she'd told them no on both, now it's home births. Back when mine was born, you had no choice. And she was born by caesarean. She was 10#s and I'm very short waisted. It was a huge debacle, but that's for another time.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

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 One of mine, my daughter nursed until she was 18 mon. I got allot of flack too but she needed it and I knew it. Today she is 20 and tells me she appreciates it lol

Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

That's how I was with Brock... Never had bleach or crappy harsh cleansers around and wouldn't dream of using them on something that'd go in my babys mouth!!!

He nursed until he was 13 months old which I got flack for but he was never sick! Even now when the school was about to close because so many kids had the flu he was healthy as an ox!

Long live germs!!!! : P

Candace

PS my parents never vaccinated me... And I never vaccinated Brock. And we're still alive! Go figure!Sent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 12:28 PM, "webriter" <webriterverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

I wanted to comment on this whole germ theory thing. That there are bacteriological pathogens there is no doubt, but by being exposed to them we gain immunity.

This will sound like child abuse, but bear with me. When my daughter was born, I knew babies had immunities from mom for the first 6-8 months. So, I didn't boil, disinfect, or heavily bleach her stuff. She was very healthy, I wasn't slovenly, just not phobic as people seem to be now. I avoided vaccinations and antibiotics for both of us since the early 70's .

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Were you juicing a lot of celery? It'll lower your blood pressure-STAT! I use two stalks of celery, two carrots, and an apple, every day in winter, Summer it's whatever's in season, And I add chia, and lots of ground flax seed in my juice. I also take 9,000 IUs of flax seed oil per day too. Not apropos of anything. I know you are afraid of the juice but you could try a different composite just a little. Forget it tasting good, it never does.

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Yeah... It's frustrating though. It's hard doing an elimination diet and knocking foods out then getting better no worse no better.. Wait...

When I went nuts with juicing and ate STRICTLY all raw it literally almost killed me!!!! So now I'm vegetarian and slooooowly going more n more raw. Not much juicing yet. Juicing scares me. Man did I get sick. I was training Brock on what to do if I didn't wake up.

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 11:29 AM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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Most of my juice was carrot. I'd get a 25 lb bag of organic carrots and go nuts. For variety I might have thrown an apple in.For supper was carrot kale apple celery spinach juice.Maybe it was a healing crisis but my body was NOT happy with that diet at all!CandaceSent from my iPhoneOn May 23, 2010, at 5:21 PM, "webriter" <webriter@...> wrote:

Were you juicing a lot of celery? It'll lower your blood pressure-STAT! I use two stalks of celery, two carrots, and an apple, every day in winter, Summer it's whatever's in season, And I add chia, and lots of ground flax seed in my juice. I also take 9,000 IUs of flax seed oil per day too. Not apropos of anything. I know you are afraid of the juice but you could try a different composite just a little. Forget it tasting good, it never does.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

http://orchardhouseheirlooms.com/product_info.php/cPath/157_163/products_id/199 survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

Yeah... It's frustrating though. It's hard doing an elimination diet and knocking foods out then getting better no worse no better.. Wait...

When I went nuts with juicing and ate STRICTLY all raw it literally almost killed me!!!! So now I'm vegetarian and slooooowly going more n more raw. Not much juicing yet. Juicing scares me. Man did I get sick. I was training Brock on what to do if I didn't wake up.

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 11:29 AM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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I've tried heat. Cold. Alternating heat and cold... I just get SO MUCH fluid in my joints I literally have big bubbles pop out every side when I move. And I've had a swollen knee before. This is different.... Feels like battery acid slowly eating my joints. I've never felt anything quite like it.: (CandaceSent from my iPhoneOn May 23, 2010, at 4:49 PM, "webriter" <webriter@...> wrote:

I get a lot of muscle and joint pain too, but I have a Nikken Kenkowave, it's infrared light and it works for my large joints, not for my hands tho' sigh. It helps when my muscles are spasming and my feet ache, or my shoulders or hips feel like they are out of joint. I don't sell them so it's not an advert.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

http://orchardhouseheirlooms.com/product_info.php/cPath/157_163/products_id/199 survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

Yeah before this lupus crap you'd never find a prescription in this apt. Just echinacea, garlic, and super tonic.

Right now I'm on prednisone... Because if I don't take it within days my swelling is so bad I literally can't get out of bed. Being an unemployed single mom isn't an option!

: (

I've tried talking so many friends out of vaccinating their kids. I've come close to winning a few times but the drs scare tactics always win!!!!

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

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[Guest guest]

That sounds horrible, I've never heard of such a thing, what does the doctor call it?

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

http://orchardhouseheirlooms.com/product_info.php/cPath/157_163/products_id/199 survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

Yeah before this lupus crap you'd never find a prescription in this apt. Just echinacea, garlic, and super tonic.

Right now I'm on prednisone... Because if I don't take it within days my swelling is so bad I literally can't get out of bed. Being an unemployed single mom isn't an option!

: (

I've tried talking so many friends out of vaccinating their kids. I've come close to winning a few times but the drs scare tactics always win!!!!

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

[Guest guest]

You do realize carrots are very hybrid and full of sugar. Maybe that's what set you off.........................

Shari

[Guest guest]

No, it might have been a sensitivity to carrots also, that's a lot of carrots. I'm so sorry you has to suffer like that, Maybe one juice meal a day and soft bland meals to chew on might have been a better start.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

http://orchardhouseheirlooms.com/product_info.php/cPath/157_163/products_id/199 survival seeds

Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

Yeah... It's frustrating though. It's hard doing an elimination diet and knocking foods out then getting better no worse no better.. Wait...

When I went nuts with juicing and ate STRICTLY all raw it literally almost killed me!!!! So now I'm vegetarian and slooooowly going more n more raw. Not much juicing yet. Juicing scares me. Man did I get sick. I was training Brock on what to do if I didn't wake up.

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 11:29 AM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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You have to incorporate new things slowly and let the body get used to new foods. Diet changes must be slow. Greg.

There's something about getting better that involves getting worse first. It has to do with retracing the injury/illness. I know I'm not saying this the correct way and I know there is someone on this list that can help, but what I have learned is that once I start taking care of myself, eating raw, juicing fresh produce, exercising and getting enough rest I get "sick". When in fact I am only throwing off crap and getting better! People seem to think it's a good thing to not get "sick", but that means your body is not healthy enough to detox. There is (or was) a fasting clinic in Michigan that would send you home if you didn't experience discomfort inside the first 10 days of a fast. They figured there was something much more serious going on inside and they wanted medical clearance to proceed with the fasting.

If you've ever read anything about Natural Hygiene then you will know their stand on illness and germs. Rather tough to wrap your head around, but their claim is the germ theory is full of holes, so to speak. I'm not going to go into it, but if anyone wants to know more about it Google Raw School or Nora Lenz and there you will find writings on the germ theory and Natural Hygiene.

Shari

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There are a lot of carrot varieties that are not hybrid but ya gotta grow your own.

~Katy Sheep to the right; His Lamb

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You do realize carrots are very hybrid and full of sugar. Maybe that's what set you off.........................

Shari

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Lupus SLECandaceSent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2010, at 9:02 AM, "webriter" <webriter@...> wrote:

That sounds horrible, I've never heard of such a thing, what does the doctor call it?

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-- Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

Yeah before this lupus crap you'd never find a prescription in this apt. Just echinacea, garlic, and super tonic.

Right now I'm on prednisone... Because if I don't take it within days my swelling is so bad I literally can't get out of bed. Being an unemployed single mom isn't an option!

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I've tried talking so many friends out of vaccinating their kids. I've come close to winning a few times but the drs scare tactics always win!!!!

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On May 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

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I've read carrot juice is the best juice to drink on a fast.CandaceSent from my iPhoneOn May 24, 2010, at 9:03 AM, "SV" <shavig@...> wrote:

You do realize carrots are very hybrid and full of sugar. Maybe that's what set you off.........................

Shari

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my favorite is carrot/apple.

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From: Candace Podratz <candaceandbrock@...>"health " <health >Sent: Tue, May 25, 2010 12:03:29 AMSubject: Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

I've read carrot juice is the best juice to drink on a fast.

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"my favorite is carrot/apple"

Throw in some ginger and I'm good to go.

Shari

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That's a rough one, I know a lot has been written on it in Alternative circles, and I'm sure you've read it all, I'll be praying that you find a strategy that will help you soon.

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Zeal for your house consumes me-Ps 69:9

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Christian-homesteaders/?yguid=227010598 biblical survival

-- Re: healthy illnes - was juice hell

Yeah before this lupus crap you'd never find a prescription in this apt. Just echinacea, garlic, and super tonic.

Right now I'm on prednisone... Because if I don't take it within days my swelling is so bad I literally can't get out of bed. Being an unemployed single mom isn't an option!

: (

I've tried talking so many friends out of vaccinating their kids. I've come close to winning a few times but the drs scare tactics always win!!!!

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 23, 2010, at 1:46 PM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

However my shoulder is so bad right now I'd love to have some pain killers! Pain is so seductive I can imagine how people get hooked on meds. I could not live with this kind of pain day in and day out. I cannot not even brush my teeth today it's so painful. I know it's from breaking my wrist 2x with a slip and fall. You know the kind where you fall and put your hand down to break the fall only to discover you have broken your wrist! Waves of nausea are coming over me just sitting still and moving my fingers.

Later - Shari

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It may be, but too much of one food isn't good for Human Beings. And carrots can turn your skin orange, [i don't know this for a fact but I've heard anecdotal evidence of it.] Maybe if you try a blend and then only once a day. Or try a fruit blend, or fast with just water?

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I've read carrot juice is the best juice to drink on a fast.

CandaceSent from my iPhone

On May 24, 2010, at 9:03 AM, "SV" <shavigverizon (DOT) net> wrote:

You do realize carrots are very hybrid and full of sugar. Maybe that's what set you off.........................

Shari