Back pain

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your info t.

Jeanette

[ ] Back Pain

Hi Everyone;

I have started my methotrexate injections ( 2nd one as of this week). I really

don't notice a difference right now but my GP said it could take a few more to

notice.

I just have one question; since I had my last injection 3 days ago I am having

alot of lower back pain; which I didn't have before. Can anyone tell me if itis

realted to my PA or is it a reaction from the injection; I am also takiing Folic

Acid eveyday.

Hope to hear from someone soon;

Goldie

[Guest guest]

hello workout guy and welcome to the group. have you thought about switching

surgeons? it sounds like someone needs to go in there and clean up what

your previous surgeon did to your back.

i had my fusion 5 weeks ago at L3-L4 and i am feeling much better. still in

pain but not near as much as before surgery. and the pain is surgery

related. the nerve pain is all gone. good luck to you, marsha

In a message dated 6/27/2006 12:50:51 PM Eastern Standard Time,

workoutguy89117@... writes:

Hello to everyone,

I am a police sergeant in Las Vegas and was hurt on the job about 5

years ago and I reinjured my back in the spring of 2005. I have had

two surgeries since then. My first surgery was a new disc, and I

believe that it was the charite disc. It was put into my L5/S1.

When I went to the Dr. for my post surgical visit he had taken an X-

ray. He looked at the X-ray in total disbelief. The rear of my L%

had collapsed and the new disc had followed the collapse. So now I

had a new bent disc that was now pushing into my spinal cord.

Needless to say, I was now in more pain than prior to the surgery.

The Dr. had a name for what had happened and I don't remember what it

was called. BUT, he said he had never seen anything like it. So, I

had a full fusion in that area three weeks after I had the new disc

implanted. They went in and took out the new disc and did a fusion.

It has now been 8 months since my second surgery. The Dr. released

me to go back to work in a full duty capicity. I still have a

considerable amount of pain in my back, legs and feet. I still take

pain pills, Lyrica, Celebrex, Soma and Lexapro (he said that Lexapro

helps the nerves). I have gained 50 pounds since my second surgery.

My primary complaint is the pain in my legs and feet. I also

suffered some additional side affects such as, Retrograde Ejaculation

(when I can get and errect penis)and occasionally, I have problems

stopping the flow of urine when I need to go. I have a new

girlfriend, that despite those conditions above, likes me. She told

me that sje couldn't understand how I ever got a good nights sleep.

She said that my legs, feet and stomach twitch and jump for several

hours after I fall asleep. She was amused!

So here I am, 8 months after my surgeries, and still very much in

pain.

[Guest guest]

Al

Well I am so sorry that you are in so much pain. You have really scared me now

because I am due to have surgery on my neck and spine the middle of July. I

have two herniated disks in my neck at the base of my scull and a pinched nerve.

So I am looking into surgery that could be something continuos the rest of my

life. But the pinched nerve is causing alot of other health problems that I

have to get resolved and that may mean having more surgeries in the future.

Anyway I hope that things get better for you and if you need to talk I am here

for you. I have to deal wih the pain as well and some days it is so hard cause

I am in alot of pain some days and the last few days been daving some chest

pain.But let us know ow you are doing. I am still doing alot of research and

weighing my options into surgery but I may not have a choice for sure. I also

have the digenerative disk disease and that doesnt help me either.

Hugs

Kathy Carey

[Norton AntiSpam] Back Pain

Hello to everyone,

I am a police sergeant in Las Vegas and was hurt on the job about 5

years ago and I reinjured my back in the spring of 2005. I have had

two surgeries since then. My first surgery was a new disc, and I

believe that it was the charite disc. It was put into my L5/S1.

When I went to the Dr. for my post surgical visit he had taken an X-

ray. He looked at the X-ray in total disbelief. The rear of my L%

had collapsed and the new disc had followed the collapse. So now I

had a new bent disc that was now pushing into my spinal cord.

Needless to say, I was now in more pain than prior to the surgery.

The Dr. had a name for what had happened and I don't remember what it

was called. BUT, he said he had never seen anything like it. So, I

had a full fusion in that area three weeks after I had the new disc

implanted. They went in and took out the new disc and did a fusion.

It has now been 8 months since my second surgery. The Dr. released

me to go back to work in a full duty capicity. I still have a

considerable amount of pain in my back, legs and feet. I still take

pain pills, Lyrica, Celebrex, Soma and Lexapro (he said that Lexapro

helps the nerves). I have gained 50 pounds since my second surgery.

My primary complaint is the pain in my legs and feet. I also

suffered some additional side affects such as, Retrograde Ejaculation

(when I can get and errect penis)and occasionally, I have problems

stopping the flow of urine when I need to go. I have a new

girlfriend, that despite those conditions above, likes me. She told

me that sje couldn't understand how I ever got a good nights sleep.

She said that my legs, feet and stomach twitch and jump for several

hours after I fall asleep. She was amused!

So here I am, 8 months after my surgeries, and still very much in

pain.

Does it ever get better?

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

If you really have to have the surgery, get the best

Dr. around. Even though I did not have much luck, I

know several people who have had very successful

outcomes. The Dr. that I had is Dr. Kabins. If you

are not using him, you may want to at least get a

second opinion from him. He does surgery as a last

resort. Good luck.

Al

--- Kathy Carey <kathyanncarey@...> wrote:

> Al

> Well I am so sorry that you are in so much pain.

> You have really scared me now because I am due to

> have surgery on my neck and spine the middle of

> July. I have two herniated disks in my neck at the

> base of my scull and a pinched nerve. So I am

> looking into surgery that could be something

> continuos the rest of my life. But the pinched

> nerve is causing alot of other health problems that

> I have to get resolved and that may mean having more

> surgeries in the future. Anyway I hope that things

> get better for you and if you need to talk I am here

> for you. I have to deal wih the pain as well and

> some days it is so hard cause I am in alot of pain

> some days and the last few days been daving some

> chest pain.But let us know ow you are doing. I am

> still doing alot of research and weighing my options

> into surgery but I may not have a choice for sure. I

> also have the digenerative disk disease and that

> doesnt help me either.

> Hugs

> Kathy Carey

> [Norton AntiSpam] [spinal Disorders

> Support] Back Pain

>

>

> Hello to everyone,

>

> I am a police sergeant in Las Vegas and was hurt

> on the job about 5

> years ago and I reinjured my back in the spring of

> 2005. I have had

> two surgeries since then. My first surgery was a

> new disc, and I

> believe that it was the charite disc. It was put

> into my L5/S1.

> When I went to the Dr. for my post surgical visit

> he had taken an X-

> ray. He looked at the X-ray in total disbelief.

> The rear of my L%

> had collapsed and the new disc had followed the

> collapse. So now I

> had a new bent disc that was now pushing into my

> spinal cord.

> Needless to say, I was now in more pain than prior

> to the surgery.

> The Dr. had a name for what had happened and I

> don't remember what it

> was called. BUT, he said he had never seen

> anything like it. So, I

> had a full fusion in that area three weeks after I

> had the new disc

> implanted. They went in and took out the new disc

> and did a fusion.

>

> It has now been 8 months since my second surgery.

> The Dr. released

> me to go back to work in a full duty capicity. I

> still have a

> considerable amount of pain in my back, legs and

> feet. I still take

> pain pills, Lyrica, Celebrex, Soma and Lexapro (he

> said that Lexapro

> helps the nerves). I have gained 50 pounds since

> my second surgery.

> My primary complaint is the pain in my legs and

> feet. I also

> suffered some additional side affects such as,

> Retrograde Ejaculation

> (when I can get and errect penis)and occasionally,

> I have problems

> stopping the flow of urine when I need to go. I

> have a new

> girlfriend, that despite those conditions above,

> likes me. She told

> me that sje couldn't understand how I ever got a

> good nights sleep.

> She said that my legs, feet and stomach twitch and

> jump for several

> hours after I fall asleep. She was amused!

>

> So here I am, 8 months after my surgeries, and

> still very much in

> pain.

>

> Does it ever get better?

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Thanks

Right now all I know is I am tired of all the pain. I could pretty much deal

with my pain when it wasnt so constant and now that it hurts all the time no

matter what I do it really does frustrate me to no end and I hate it. But again

I have seen so many who have choice not to have surgery then end up having to

have it and then see people have surgerey and have to have it over and over

again.

So I have had two opinions and just waiting to see what the third and final

neurosurgeon will say when I have to see him on the 10th of July.

I am no big on pain pills cause the knock me out and it dont take much at all

So I have to decide what to do and it hasnt been easy. Being a single mom of

two boys and family who dont like to help at times it makes it hard.

But you go with the flow and pray to god it works out ok.

Hugs

Kathy Carey

[Norton AntiSpam] [spinal Disorders

> Support] Back Pain

>

>

> Hello to everyone,

>

> I am a police sergeant in Las Vegas and was hurt

> on the job about 5

> years ago and I reinjured my back in the spring of

> 2005. I have had

> two surgeries since then. My first surgery was a

> new disc, and I

> believe that it was the charite disc. It was put

> into my L5/S1.

> When I went to the Dr. for my post surgical visit

> he had taken an X-

> ray. He looked at the X-ray in total disbelief.

> The rear of my L%

> had collapsed and the new disc had followed the

> collapse. So now I

> had a new bent disc that was now pushing into my

> spinal cord.

> Needless to say, I was now in more pain than prior

> to the surgery.

> The Dr. had a name for what had happened and I

> don't remember what it

> was called. BUT, he said he had never seen

> anything like it. So, I

> had a full fusion in that area three weeks after I

> had the new disc

> implanted. They went in and took out the new disc

> and did a fusion.

>

> It has now been 8 months since my second surgery.

> The Dr. released

> me to go back to work in a full duty capicity. I

> still have a

> considerable amount of pain in my back, legs and

> feet. I still take

> pain pills, Lyrica, Celebrex, Soma and Lexapro (he

> said that Lexapro

> helps the nerves). I have gained 50 pounds since

> my second surgery.

> My primary complaint is the pain in my legs and

> feet. I also

> suffered some additional side affects such as,

> Retrograde Ejaculation

> (when I can get and errect penis)and occasionally,

> I have problems

> stopping the flow of urine when I need to go. I

> have a new

> girlfriend, that despite those conditions above,

> likes me. She told

> me that sje couldn't understand how I ever got a

> good nights sleep.

> She said that my legs, feet and stomach twitch and

> jump for several

> hours after I fall asleep. She was amused!

>

> So here I am, 8 months after my surgeries, and

> still very much in

> pain.

>

> Does it ever get better?

>

>

>

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Mike,

What about the norm's like ex-lax, etc... Lately I'm wondering if the bad pain

in my back has to do with not having a regular bowel movement. I don't think

so, but I'm not ruling anything out. What do you think Gretchen??

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

Seems like the first thing your spine orthopedist would check, or talk

to you first about is toiliting habits. It was just part of the initial

meeting with my orthopedist, so that's my experience. He did in fact

check my kidneys too first by pressing on them in my lower back area.

Be sure to mention your 'habits' to your doc, since I am not a doc, but

regularity is necessary for normal eliminiation. Since you take

Oxycontin, this may in fact be causing the problem. After the stiff

meds in the hospital following back surgery, I was given 1/4 cup warm

prune juice in the morning which is all natural and worked very well.

~ Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Hi Sally,

My hamstrings are tight. Probably because I spend most of the time in a sitting

position. Physical Therapy can help out alot. Also, I have scoliosis. When it

began, I had difficulty standing straight. The scoliosis quickly progressed to a

90 degree curve. I has a spinal fusion which corrected it to a 45 degree curve.

I have chronic back pain all day, everyday. Hopefully this isn't what's going

on, but if problems persist, I would get it checked out.

-Malinda

[Guest guest]

You should ck with the your Dr. althought it possible that it the Doxie. it

strongerr that it a kidney or bladder infection and that the doxie. is not the

right antibotics. Bud

Jaye <timetoscrap@...> wrote: I have been on Doxycycl for a month

now. Last week I started having bad lower back pain, which won't let up. The

pain it below the kidney area, so I'm sure thats not it. I'm also tender in the

painful area. Could this be from the antibiotics?

TIA

Jaye

[Guest guest]

Bud,

Thank you for your reply. Yesterday the pain went away as quickly as it came

and I hadn

taken the Doxie for 2 days. Kind of weird. Giving the dr a call today.

Jaye

carroll mohrbutter <cmohrbutter@...> wrote:

You should ck with the your Dr. althought it possible that it the

Doxie. it strongerr that it a kidney or bladder infection and that the doxie. is

not the right antibotics. Bud

Jaye <timetoscrap@...> wrote: I have been on Doxycycl for a month now.

Last week I started having bad lower back pain, which won't let up. The pain it

below the kidney area, so I'm sure thats not it. I'm also tender in the painful

area. Could this be from the antibiotics?

TIA

Jaye

[Guest guest]

Well, I finally saw an orthopedist about my back. Turns out, I

have " Shuermann's disease " , a degenerative disease, which I was born

with. Sounds alot like scoliosis. However, I do not have a

humpback...maybe because I started lifting weights in highschool and

have done it consistently.

Interestingly, the x-ray done a few months ago did not show

this...findings were normal. But, the MRI clearly showed a few disc

that were not normal. There is a little bulging of one disc, but not

enough that would cause the pain, so says the doc. The

disc/vertebrae that are affected include L-1 thru L-4.

The doc thinks that the pain I'm feeling is arthritic. Also, he said

I have a degree of spinal stenosis(narrowing of the inside of the

neural tube?). That is not a good thing, should I ever need back

surgery. People who have spinal stenosis do not make good back

surgery candidates apparently.

My wife went with me to the appt., but like most initial

appointments, until you get a diagnosis and get home to do the

research, you wind up having alot of additional questions that you

did not know to ask.

We weren't too impressed with the doctor. We heard he was one of the

best orthopedist in the area. We felt he was very general about my

diagnosis and didn't give us enough detailed information.

Basically, this is what I took away from the appt:

1)The back problem is unrelated to CMT

2)I have 3 ways to manage the pain (listed in the order I will try)

physical therapy 2x weekly for 6 weeks

epidural shots in the back 2-3x yearly

more powereful pain medicine

The physical therapy order(given to me by the orthopedist) only

had " low back pain " listed on it. " treat and evaluate " there was no

mention of CMT or the degenerative back disease. Is this normal?

Should the orthopedist have been more thorough on this physical

therapy order? I've never been to a P.T. so I don't know what is

routine.

Could anyone shed some light on this?

This weekend, I was in so much back pain, I could hardly walk

around. I continue to take the Tramadol and Tylenol when I hurt like

this. It takes a while before it kicks in. I am also taking 9,000mg

of Vit C and 250 2x daily of Citicoline, as well as Amitryptiline,

Wellbutrin, Prevacid, and Lyrica. I don't like being on all of this

prescription medication.

I am very frustrated, and I was pretty devastated to find this out

about my back. I know I am blessed that my CMT isn't as bad as alot

of others I read about. I know things could be alot worse. It is

just the initial news of finding out something else is wrong with

me. I feel very old at 39.

Alabama

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When I had my disc problem, the MRI results also showed I have spinal

stenosis. After trying everything (Physical Therapy, epidural shots,

medications) I had surgery. It was the best thing that ever happened.

Physical therapy initially was traction and super heated pads. Felt

good, didn't last. Medications like Vioxx and all the way to Dilaudid

barely killed the pain. Three epidural injections did nothing. I also

had experimental shots of Embrel, the first took ALL the pain away

for 15 hours, so I was medication free. But it wore off. Had a 2nd

shot of Embrel which did nothing, and my hopes were dashed.

I say back surgery was the best thing that ever happened, because

afterwards the physical therapy in a pool got me 'hooked' on Aquatic

Exercise, which I still do currently. I have an individually designed

program of exercises for my back, legs, arms, feet, hands, cardio,

resistance, and strength.

I also learned a series of floor exercises (including Pilates) that I

do every day for my back.

It seems to me that your P.T. should take your CMT into

consideration, because you have a different body than a non-affected

person has who comes to P.T. for low back pain.

Believe me, I know your pain, and I can relate too taking all those

meds. I hated them all too. The surgery I had was very successful,

and recovery was faster than I expected. I was up and walking

he day after surgery. And it just got better from there.

At first I was in shock about the condition of my back and the idea

of surgery was frightening. But I gradually got into acceptance and

went forward. I was 49 at the time.

My orthopedist is a specialist in disorders of the spine, Dr.

Hutchinson at http://www.altaortho.com/ If I remember correctly you

live in the south. Perhaps you may want to consult with another doc

for a 2nd opinion, even if it means travel out of your area.

Hang in there! In my experience, the pain CAN go away!

Gretchen

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

When you go to physical therapy, they will take a medical history from you.  So

you will have a chance to tell them everything you feel and everything the

doctor said.  This will help them customize a program for you.

Physical therapy may help.  They will focus on reducing your pain.  They will

also show you proper movements, like getting in and out of bed or a car.  They

will help you learn proper stretching techniques.  Stretching of the hamstrings

is really important in reducing lower back pain.

I would also highly recommend a second opinion, to ensure that this diagnosis is

correct.  I would consider seeing someone other than an orthopedist, i.e. a

doctor who is board certified in physical medicine & rehab and/or pain

management.

It is possible for back problems to be secondary to CMT.  I wrote about my

personal situation and posted it on 10/30, but I don't think it got through to

the message board.  I'll send it to you privately, so check your spam folder if

you don't see it.

[Guest guest]

Thank you , for all your wonderful suggestions. I go to the PT tomoorow

morning!

[Guest guest]

Thanks again Gretchen, for responding to my worries and complaints. This site

has been so informative and helpful for me. I go to a PT tomorrow, and I will

seek another opinion on my back.

[Guest guest]

Rich dong 150 mgs is a big shot all at once try doing 75mgs 2x's/week to help

hold down your Estradiol. Doing arimidex never take one mg at a time this is

dam strong dose for a man even one on TRT. If you don't have night time and

morning wood it can be your estradiol is to low and this can cause joint and

muscle pain. Try doing this stop the arimidex cold wait until you get some

night time and morning wood.

This means for most of us your at your best level or the sweet spot. That day

go back on it but only do .25 mgs or 1/4 of a 1mg pill every 2 or 3 days.

Try to gage your levels by your wood and get some ZMA take 3 pills at bedtime

this has zinc in it and helps with Estradiol and is good for your testis.

Keep a log on what your taking and how you feel so you can get in touch with

your body and tell when your estradiol is to high or to low.

I have told many men this and it works so between keeping wood and labs you will

do good.

If you don't test Estrodiol when you test your T levels start do the quest labs

Sensitive test with the range of 13 to 54 pg/ml a good level is about 20. Also

check your SHBG is this is mid range then 20 is a good number if your SHBG is

low like mine 20 then you need to keep Estradiol lower I keep mine at about 15.

Estradiol moves all over the place I have yet to be able to do the same dose of

arimidex from month to month it just keeps changing. Most of the time I am

doing .25 mgs every 2 days some times I need to add an extra .25 mgs.

If you have been to low for a long time it can take 3 to 6 weeks to get your

wood back and levels up.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rich19007 <rsouders@...>

> Subject: Back pain

>

> Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> Anybody have any back pain after

> starting TRT?  I am on 150 mg/week of test C and 1 mg

> eod of Arimidex.  Ever since I started, I have had

> lower back pain.  I have never had back problems in my

> life.  I can't even run any more which I used to do

> alot of. 

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the response. Actually the morning wood is ok but I am gyno prone.

I had gyno since puberty and actually had the surgery 2 years ago. When I was

taking .5 mg of Arimidex every other day I could feel my nipples getting sore so

I reverted back to the 1 mg/day. I do think it is having an effect on my joints

though. I will try breaking the test dosage into twice a week, cutting back

again on the Arimidex and trying the ZMA. Thanks for the advice

>

> > From: rich19007 <rsouders@...>

> > Subject: Back pain

> >

> > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> > Anybody have any back pain after

> > starting TRT?  I am on 150 mg/week of test C and 1 mg

> > eod of Arimidex.  Ever since I started, I have had

> > lower back pain.  I have never had back problems in my

> > life.  I can't even run any more which I used to do

> > alot of. 

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------------------------------

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

One other thing this nipple thing can happen when T levels go up also so labs

are needed before you go up on Arimidex going to low to long can cause bone loss

and other problems. One needs to do labs every 8 weeks to stay on top of this.

A few times I though I was to low and ended up to high on labs. You can be

fooled by how you feel when your younger you can have wood with lower and higher

levels then guys my age 65.

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: rich19007 <rsouders@...>

> Subject: Re: Back pain

>

> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:36 AM

> Thanks for the response. 

> Actually the morning wood is ok but I am gyno prone.  I

> had gyno since puberty and actually had the surgery 2 years

> ago.  When I was taking .5 mg of Arimidex every other

> day I could feel my nipples getting sore so I reverted back

> to the 1 mg/day.  I do think it is having an effect on

> my joints though.  I will try breaking the test dosage

> into twice a week, cutting back again on the Arimidex and

> trying the ZMA.  Thanks for the advice

>

>

>

>

>

> >

> > > From: rich19007 <rsouders@...>

> > > Subject: Back pain

> > >

> > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> > > Anybody have any back pain after

> > > starting TRT?  I am on 150 mg/week of test C and

> 1 mg

> > > eod of Arimidex.  Ever since I started, I have

> had

> > > lower back pain.  I have never had back problems

> in my

> > > life.  I can't even run any more which I used to

> do

> > > alot of. 

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

The dose of 1mg a day is what they give women that have estrogen

responsive breast cancer tumors to remove just about 99% of the estrogen

out of their body. It's a wild dose. I take one quarter tab M-W-F and it

keeps my E2 in the " sweet spot " of 20-25pg/ml. Are you actually dosing

to a blood lab level??? Are you other hormones in line (testosterone,

thyroid, etc)?

Neil

rich19007 wrote:

>

>

> Thanks for the response. Actually the morning wood is ok but I am gyno

> prone. I had gyno since puberty and actually had the surgery 2 years

> ago. When I was taking .5 mg of Arimidex every other day I could feel

> my nipples getting sore so I reverted back to the 1 mg/day. I do think

> it is having an effect on my joints though. I will try breaking the

> test dosage into twice a week, cutting back again on the Arimidex and

> trying the ZMA. Thanks for the advice

>

>

> >

> > > From: rich19007 <rsouders@...>

> > > Subject: Back pain

> > >

> <mailto: %40>

> > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> > > Anybody have any back pain after

> > > starting TRT? I am on 150 mg/week of test C and 1 mg

> > > eod of Arimidex. Ever since I started, I have had

> > > lower back pain. I have never had back problems in my

> > > life. I can't even run any more which I used to do

> > > alot of.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ------------------------------------

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

I have the nipple pain thing from time to time. I took arimidex .25mg every

other day for two months which pretty much took care of the problem, but I'm

starting to have it again a little bit. By the way I'm not on TRT. I started

having what I think were side effects to the arimidex so I quit. Now I am using

chrysin cream to see if it will work. I haven't had breast tissue growth, just

pain. I wonder if I am extra sensitive to estradiol. I wish I knew how to down

regulate estrogen repectors. Someone told me once that Arimidex upregulates

estrogen receptors and makes you more sensitive to estrogen. I don't know if

this is true. I have morning erections all the time. I can wake up with an

erection and still have it a half hour or so later, or until I get out of bed.

Strangly sometimes I wake up without an erection, go to the bathroom, go back to

bed then get a hard erection within a few seconds of laying back down. If

morning wood is an indicator of E2 is a good range, then I don't know why I have

nipple pain problems. My total testosterone level is midrange, and my free T

level is low normal. My doctor has suggested that a full replacement dose of

testosterone might balance my hormones better and do away with the E2 problems,

but I'm afraid it would just make it worse. I would rather work on getting my

hormones balanced in a more natural way. I've been taking ZMA plus zinc and a

few other suppliments. By the way I am 44 years old.

I don't mean to take over this thread, just telling my experience with nipple

pain and arimidex.

> > >

> > > > From: rich19007 <rsouders@>

> > > > Subject: Back pain

> > > >

> > > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> > > > Anybody have any back pain after

> > > > starting TRT?  I am on 150 mg/week of test C and

> > 1 mg

> > > > eod of Arimidex.  Ever since I started, I have

> > had

> > > > lower back pain.  I have never had back problems

> > in my

> > > > life.  I can't even run any more which I used to

> > do

> > > > alot of. 

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ------------------------------------

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

No don't go on TRT if you don't need it it's for life and will give you problems

with Estradiol. Don't take zinc with ZMA take the 3 pills at bedtime and add a

very small dose of copper at noon 2 mgs. Zinc lowers Copper.

If your having nipple pain it's your Estradiol it goes up and down very fast all

day and night. Don't eat or drink SOY products get away for bottled water the

plastic leeches out E's don't nuke food in plastic get plates and bowls that are

safe that don't leech E's into your food.

If you can't take Arimidex try Indolplex/DIM or any good DIM this converts

Estradiol into good E's so your liver can wash them out. Some like the way

there nipples feel when E's spike I don't even my T shirt hurts them.

http://www.myvitanet.com/indolplex-with-dim-60-tab-phytopharmica.html

If you try DIM take some TMG with it take the DIM at dinner E's go up the

highest at night and take TMG at bedtime this helps the liver wash out the E's

and will help you sleep.

http://www.myvitanet.com/tmgtr75120ca.html

This link I never tried this but it tells you how DIM works.

http://www.energeticnutrition.com/vitalzym/dim.html

As long as you have wood your good on DIM you can go to low so stop it if this

happens and when the wood comes back that day go back on it but take less.

Don't listen to your Dr. going on TRT will not balance out your hormones but if

you get Maca this helps keep hormones leveled and ups your libido.

I take one gram 2x's/ day.

http://www.macaweb.com/products/maca.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: esplinbj <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Back pain

>

> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 3:18 PM

> I have the nipple pain thing from

> time to time.  I took arimidex .25mg every other day

> for two months which pretty much took care of the problem,

> but I'm starting to have it again a little bit.  By the

> way I'm not on TRT.  I started having what I think were

> side effects to the arimidex so I quit.  Now I am using

> chrysin cream to see if it will work.  I haven't had

> breast tissue growth, just pain.  I wonder if I am

> extra sensitive to estradiol.  I wish I knew how to

> down regulate estrogen repectors.  Someone told me once

> that Arimidex upregulates estrogen receptors and makes you

> more sensitive to estrogen.  I don't know if this is

> true.  I have morning erections all the time.  I

> can wake up with an erection and still have it a half hour

> or so later, or until I get out of bed.  Strangly

> sometimes I wake up without an erection, go to the bathroom,

> go back to bed then get a hard erection within a few seconds

> of laying back down.  If morning wood is an indicator

> of E2 is a good range, then I don't know why I have nipple

> pain problems.  My total testosterone level is

> midrange, and my free T level is low normal.  My doctor

> has suggested that a full replacement dose of testosterone

> might balance my hormones better and do away with the E2

> problems, but I'm afraid it would just make it worse. 

> I would rather work on getting my hormones balanced in a

> more natural way.  I've been taking ZMA plus zinc and a

> few other suppliments.  By the way I am 44 years old.

>

> I don't mean to take over this thread, just telling my

> experience with nipple pain and arimidex.

>

>

>

>

>

> > > >

> > > > > From: rich19007 <rsouders@>

> > > > > Subject: Back pain

> > > > >

> > > > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> > > > > Anybody have any back pain after

> > > > > starting TRT?  I am on 150 mg/week of

> test C and

> > > 1 mg

> > > > > eod of Arimidex.  Ever since I

> started, I have

> > > had

> > > > > lower back pain.  I have never had

> back problems

> > > in my

> > > > > life.  I can't even run any more which

> I used to

> > > do

> > > > > alot of. 

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > >

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

On Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:07:15 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Anybody have any back pain after starting TRT? I am on 150 mg/week of test C

and 1 mg eod of Arimidex. Ever since I started, I have had lower back pain. I

have never had back problems in my life. I can't even run any more which I used

to do alot of.

Your arimidex dose is very high. You may be losing bone on such high

dose.

I manage my e2 with .25mg eod. You're taking 4x that.

[Guest guest]

On Sat, 13 Jun 2009 15:36:57 -0000, you wrote:

>

>Thanks for the response. Actually the morning wood is ok but I am gyno prone.

I had gyno since puberty and actually had the surgery 2 years ago. When I was

taking .5 mg of Arimidex every other day I could feel my nipples getting sore so

I reverted back to the 1 mg/day. I do think it is having an effect on my joints

though. I will try breaking the test dosage into twice a week, cutting back

again on the Arimidex and trying the ZMA. Thanks for the advice

Even splitting the dose for 2x a week you may have very high T levels

on 150/week. That can result in more spill over to e2.

Most of us do 100mg a week. Some split that into 50 twice a week.

What T levels are you seeing on that dose.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the reply. I have used DIM, but it seems to cause the same side

effects as arimidex for me. I don't take zinc with ZMA, I take zinc in the

morning and ZMA at night. I take a multivitimin with copper. I don't use soy

and I avoid plastic. When my nipples hurt they sometimes just hurt to press on

them, and sometimes they just ache continually. At times I get a strange sexual

type sensation where I just want them rubbed. My nipples always give sexual

pleasure, but sometimes they just feel sexual without being touched.

It seems that anything I do to try to raise testosterone causes nipple pain, and

anything I do to lower E2 gives other side effects, so it's kind of a balancing

act.

bjesplin

> > > > >

> > > > > > From: rich19007 <rsouders@>

> > > > > > Subject: Back pain

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009, 5:07 PM

> > > > > > Anybody have any back pain after

> > > > > > starting TRT?  I am on 150 mg/week of

> > test C and

> > > > 1 mg

> > > > > > eod of Arimidex.  Ever since I

> > started, I have

> > > > had

> > > > > > lower back pain.  I have never had

> > back problems

> > > > in my

> > > > > > life.  I can't even run any more which

> > I used to

> > > > do

> > > > > > alot of. 

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > ------------------------------------

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

What I ment is ZMA has Zinc in it so you don't need added Zinc this is not good

to take to much of it. Still the Zinc would not cause the nipple problem. If

you can live with the nipple problem and your getting good wood it's not going

to cause a problem and might settle down in time. The body does strange things

when it gets us to low levels of T and then when they go up it has to reset it's

self. This can take a long time. Dr. has him men on Pregnenolone Cream

here is a link I found where you can get it with out a script.

Pregnenolone is at the beginning of the chain (a pre-cursor) from which flow

many hormones needed to perform vital functions in the human body.

Many medical researchers also believe pregnenolone plays a major role in

angi-aging. As adequate levels of pregnenolone can help your body produce

healthy levels of many hormone, boosting the levels of this hormone pecursor may

be the key to regaining " younger " levels of vital hormones. It is also believed

that healthy levels of pregnenolone can increase the success of many hormone

supplementation programs.

http://www.vitaminusa.com/prbocr2ozbyl.html

Co-Moderator

Phil

> From: esplinbj <no_reply >

> Subject: Re: Back pain

>

> Date: Saturday, June 13, 2009, 11:04 PM

> Thanks for the reply.  I have

> used DIM, but it seems to cause the same side effects as

> arimidex for me.  I don't take zinc with ZMA, I take

> zinc in the morning and ZMA at night.  I take a

> multivitimin with copper.  I don't use soy and I avoid

> plastic.  When my nipples hurt they sometimes just hurt

> to press on them, and sometimes they just ache

> continually.  At times I get a strange sexual type

> sensation where I just want them rubbed.  My nipples

> always give sexual pleasure, but sometimes they just feel

> sexual without being touched.

>

> It seems that anything I do to try to raise testosterone

> causes nipple pain, and anything I do to lower E2 gives

> other side effects, so it's kind of a balancing act.

> bjesplin

>

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > From: rich19007

> <rsouders@>

> > > > > > > Subject: Back

> pain

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Date: Friday, June 12, 2009,

> 5:07 PM

> > > > > > > Anybody have any back pain

> after

> > > > > > > starting TRT?  I am on 150

> mg/week of

> > > test C and

> > > > > 1 mg

> > > > > > > eod of Arimidex.  Ever since

> I

> > > started, I have

> > > > > had

> > > > > > > lower back pain.  I have

> never had

> > > back problems

> > > > > in my

> > > > > > > life.  I can't even run any

> more which

> > > I used to

> > > > > do

> > > > > > > alot of. 

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> ------------------------------------

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >