soy

[Guest guest]

- have a look at rheumatic.org/soy.htm for the whole article.

Chris.

-

Does anyone remember why Dr. Mercola is against soy products? Is

that food or soy supplements? Soy is suppose to help reduce

cholesterol; hence, coronary artery disease leading to heart attacks.

TIA

NC

[Guest guest]

I just went and read that article on soy and it didn't do much for my faith

in this guy's antibiotic ideas.

He based his info on an article from a health magazine that I can't find any

referance to on the web (I know that doesn't prove worth, but you gotta

admit most legit AND unlegit sources of info on any subject have a web

presence)

His info goes against everything I have ever read about soy products, even

the misinformation from the US meat and dairy industry.

Does anyone have access to other sources of info that can back up his claims

about soy? The good Dr. backs up his antibiotic ideas with lots of info

from mainstream medical journals (the Lancet, etc..). It seems a big jump

to blast soy from an obscure article written by two people who are not

medical Dr.s and without presenting thier credentials at all. Can anyone

point me to this magazine(journal?): the Freedom Health News? I'm very open

to new ideas but I'm a born skeptic, I need some real research to back up

these ideas.

Thoughts? Commentary?

Rich

On Tue, 23 Nov 1999 15:02:24 +0930, cadlard@... wrote:

>

>

> - have a look at rheumatic.org/soy.htm for the whole article.

> Chris.

>

> -

>

>

> Does anyone remember why Dr. Mercola is against soy products? Is

> that food or soy supplements? Soy is suppose to help reduce

> cholesterol; hence, coronary artery disease leading to heart attacks.

> TIA

>

> NC

>

>

[Guest guest]

Soy has a lot of positive and negative qualities, and they vary from

individual to individual. Soy has many cancer-fighting ingredients, though

some of them

are unusable by the body when obtained through soy. My impression is that the

preponderance of evidence is that soy prevents cancer, but whether or not

it's good for people w/cancer is more complicated. It's shown some

some good results w/cancer patients, and many of the top alt.

cancer practitioners use it (or the soy concentrate Haelan 951).

Historical data (e.g., re: the Japanese) can be misleading for many

reasons, including the fact that the soy sold today is very

different from the soy from 100 yrs ago.

Soy also contains high levels of several toxins, fat, and

protein (all undesirable for most cancer patients). It contains

powerful ENZYME INHIBITORS, which inhibit the critical anti-cancer

action of pancreatic enzymes, particularly trypsin (Accordingly, if

I had cancer and chose to eat soy, I would take additional

pancreatic enzymes and bromelain). It also contains PHG, which

interferes w/digestion. The Gerson and diets

strictly prohibit it for these reasons (particularly because of the

enzyme inhibition). Also, soy CAN be specifically harmful to some

breast cancer patients. Large amounts can lead to excessive

estrogen production. For more info on the negative aspects of soy,

see www.gerson.org/questions/answer/whynosoy.htm

(or www.gerson.org/cgi-local/AT-gersonhealingINDEXsearch.cgi)

www.fact-ltd.org/soyhype.html

www.westonaprice.org/soy_alert.htm (I do NOT endorse the Weston

Price organization.)

Some of soy's anticancer ingredients can be found elsewhere:

Isoflavones (particularly genistein) can also be obtained through

lima beans, cabbage-family vegetables, red clover, peas, & lentils.

Saponin can be obtained through ginseng, barberry, & yucca.

Phytosterols can be obtained through bee pollen/royal jelly. All of

these items help heal cancer.

Fermented soy products (miso, tamari, natto, and Haelan 951)

contain enormously more genistein and lack some of the negative

aspects of precipitated/processed soy products (tofu, bean curd,

soy/textured vegetable protein).

For most people who don't have cancer, I think it's safe to

eat fermented, organic, non-GMO soy products in small to moderate

amounts.

If I had cancer, I would use the soy concentrate Haelan 951

(if I could afford it--about $1,800/mo if ordered by health

practitioner or health food store), which I've heard consistently

excellent reports about. I believe it contains all the positive

aspects of soy but has relatively few of its negative aspects.

However, I would probably avoid eating soy foods; if I did eat

them, I'd eat only non-GMO fermented soy products, in moderation,

and would take extra pancreatic/digestive enzymes (pancreatin &

bromelain).

Soy has many positive and negative properties. Some people are

greatly helped by it; some are harmed by it. I think it's

unfortunate that attitudes re: soy have become polarized, w/people

seeing only its positive qualities or only its negative qualities.

Such polarization can be seen in each author in the pro/con article

in _Alt. Med. Magazine_.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

In a message dated 03/27/2001 7:55:09 PM Eastern Standard Time,

pkelly@... writes:

> I live in Japan and buy my tofu from a small tofu maker in my

> neighbourhood. It is make fresh every day and it certainly tastes

> different from the tofu I've had in North America.

Lucky you! I never knew it tasted different in different countries.

Leonard

[Guest guest]

Hi Klaus,

Regarding the article on soy by Tim O'Shea that says the " soy is the

worst thing you can put in your body " . Perhaps he might explain why

the Japanese currently enjoy the longest life span on earth and they

eat soy products everyday (tofu, soybeans, natto, soy milk etc).

Recent research indicates that soy is beneficial in dealing with

cancer. Below is an article on Natto (fermented soy beans that is a

popular food in Japan)

Natto: The Newest Soy

by K. Rosenberg, CN

The incidence of breast, colon and prostate cancer is significantly

higher in the United States than in Japan. In fact, breast cancer

kills three times as many American women as Japanese women.1 American

women also have quite a different menopausal experience than women in

Japan. Some 80 to 85 percent of U.S. women experience unpleasant hot

flashes compared with less than 25 percent of their Japanese

counterparts.2 Scientists attribute some of the Japanese population's

protection against breast, colon and prostate cancer, as well as the

symptoms of menopause, to diets rich in soy phytoestrogens.

Many Americans are now incorporating more traditional Japanese soy

foods, such as tofu and miso, into their diets. But these are not the

only soy options. The third-most popular soy food in Japan is natto,

a product practically unknown in the States. Natto is a fermented soy

food produced by adding the bacteria Bacillus natto to lightly cooked

soybeans. After fermenting for 24 hours, the soybeans develop a brown

color, a sticky texture and a distinctive fermented odor and taste.

Natto has been described as the Roquefort of soy foods. And just as

Roquefort is not, to many Americans, the most palatable of cheeses,

natto may never be as ubiquitous as tofu. But Americans--particularly

women--would do well to acquire a taste for natto, since its

potential health benefits are as extraordinary as its flavor.

Natto packs a punch of genistein, the isoflavone to which soy's anti-

cancer benefits are largely attributed. It contains up to five times

more genistein than either tofu or soy milk.3 In soybeans, genistein

occurs in a glycosidic form, meaning it is bound to a sugar molecule.

As such it is referred to as genistin. But genistin, unlike the

unbound genistein, is not as bioavailable. Genistein is absorbed and

used by the body at a significantly higher rate than genistin.4

However, there is little free genistein, the unbound form, in whole

soybeans.3

Fermented soy foods, such as miso, tempeh and natto, have a decided

advantage over unfermented ones such as tofu. During fermentation,

the natural microbes that act as fermenting agents cleave genistin's

sugar molecule, converting it to the better-absorbed genistein.3

Once genistein is absorbed by the body, it functions as a

phytoestrogen. Phytoestrogens are plant compounds structurally

similar to the body's natural estrogen. As such, they can occupy

estrogen receptor sites on cells. But because phytoestrogens are

weaker than natural estrogen, they only displace it and do not exert

an estrogenic effect. By displacing natural estrogen, phytoestrogenic

isoflavones may reduce the risk of breast cancer. In studies

conducted in Asia, women eating the most soy food tend to have the

least breast cancer risk.5 For example, premenopausal women who ate

more than 55 g of soy products daily had 60 percent less chance of

developing breast cancer compared with women who ate less than 20 g.6

The phytoestrogenic effect of genistein also helps reduce menopausal

hot flashes, according to a 12-week, double-blind, placebo-

controlled, randomized study of 104 Italian postmenopausal women. The

women added to their daily diet 76 mg of soy isoflavones, which

provided 40 mg of naturally occurring genistein, and experienced a 45

percent reduction of hot flashes.2 The Italian researchers at the

University of Ferrara used a powdered soy protein drink that the

women were not too enthusiastic about. Perhaps if they had tried

spaghetti and natto, a popular dish in Japan, the women would have

enjoyed their isoflavones a bit more.

Japanese restaurants in the United States commonly serve natto in a

nattomaki sushi roll or with rice, mustard and soy sauce. Natto is

available in a wide range of varieties and flavors, including some

manufactured domestically. It is packaged in individual servings,

which typically contain 30 mg of isoflavones, half of which are

genistein.7

In Japan, natto is associated with a wide range of health benefits,

but its potential anti-cancer power alone should encourage Americans

to give it a try. One caution: Anyone taking anticoagulant drugs such

as warfarin should avoid natto because it has a high vitamin K

content, which could interfere with these drugs' effectiveness.

K. Rosenberg, M.S., C.N., is an adjunct faculty member in the

nutrition department at Bastyr University in Kenmore, Wash., and a

certified nutritionist practicing in Seattle.

References

1. American Cancer Society. Graphical data, cancer around the world,

1992-1995. In Cancer facts and figures; 1998.

http://www.cancer.org/statistics/cff98/graphicaldata.html#catw.

2. Albertazzi P. The effect of dietary soy supplementation on hot

flushes. Obstet & Gynecol 1998 Jan;91(1):6-11.

3. Fukutake M. Quantification of genistein and genistin in soybeans

and soybean products. Food & Chem Toxicol 1996;34:457-61.

4. Hutchins AM. Urinary isoflavonoid phytoestrogen and lignan

excretion after consumption of fermented and unfermented soy

products. J Am Dietetic Assoc 1995;95:545-51.

5. Zheng W. Urinary excretion of isoflavonoids and the risk of breast

cancer. Cancer Epidemiol Biomarkers Prev 1999;8:35-40.

6. Wu AH. Soy intake and risk of breast cancer in Asians and Asian

Americans. Am J Clin Nutr 1998;68(Suppl):1437S-1443S.

7. USDA. Iowa State University database on the isoflavone content of

foods; 1999. www.nalusda.gov/fnic/foodcomp/Data/isoflav/isfl_tbl.pdf.

> Has anyone read the article in alternative medicine magazine on soy

products?

> According to Tim O'Shea it's the worst thing you can put in your

body.

> Especially for the estrogen supliments. I'm just wondering why it

is that so

> many people get so many benefits from it if it's so bad?

> This is one of the things that purplexes me. Every where you look

there are

> people telling you how certain things are bad for you, or what does

what.

> Like, they say cooking destroys the enzymes and nutrients in food.

Yet,

> logic tells me that if this was true the human race would have died

out many

> thousands of years ago, from mal-nutrition. We've been cooking our

food for

> that long.

>

> So then why is it that somethings work great for some people and

others get

> no benefit from them at all?

>

> Why can some people smoke and drink and live in a totally filthy

enviroment

> and be healthy and live a long life. And other people eat healthy

foods and

> do healthy things and get up one morning peeing blood cause their

kindey has

> cancer growing on?

>

> Are there answers to these questions?

>

> Klaus

[Guest guest]

Leonard,

Interesting comments you made on soy. There are certainly pro's and

con's. I live in Japan and buy my tofu from a small tofu maker in my

neighbourhood. It is make fresh every day and it certainly tastes

different from the tofu I've had in North America.

Thanks for your comments.

> Soy has a lot of positive and negative qualities, and they vary

from

> individual to individual. Soy has many cancer-fighting ingredients,

though

> some of them

> are unusable by the body when obtained through soy. My impression

is that the

> preponderance of evidence is that soy prevents cancer, but whether

or not

> it's good for people w/cancer is more complicated. It's shown some

> some good results w/cancer patients, and many of the top alt.

> cancer practitioners use it (or the soy concentrate Haelan 951).

> Historical data (e.g., re: the Japanese) can be misleading for many

> reasons, including the fact that the soy sold today is very

> different from the soy from 100 yrs ago.

> Soy also contains high levels of several toxins, fat, and

> protein (all undesirable for most cancer patients). It contains

> powerful ENZYME INHIBITORS, which inhibit the critical anti-cancer

> action of pancreatic enzymes, particularly trypsin (Accordingly, if

> I had cancer and chose to eat soy, I would take additional

> pancreatic enzymes and bromelain). It also contains PHG, which

> interferes w/digestion. The Gerson and diets

> strictly prohibit it for these reasons (particularly because of the

> enzyme inhibition). Also, soy CAN be specifically harmful to some

> breast cancer patients. Large amounts can lead to excessive

> estrogen production. For more info on the negative aspects of soy,

> see www.gerson.org/questions/answer/whynosoy.htm

> (or www.gerson.org/cgi-local/AT-gersonhealingINDEXsearch.cgi)

> www.fact-ltd.org/soyhype.html

> www.westonaprice.org/soy_alert.htm (I do NOT endorse the Weston

> Price organization.)

> Some of soy's anticancer ingredients can be found elsewhere:

> Isoflavones (particularly genistein) can also be obtained through

> lima beans, cabbage-family vegetables, red clover, peas, & lentils.

> Saponin can be obtained through ginseng, barberry, & yucca.

> Phytosterols can be obtained through bee pollen/royal jelly. All of

> these items help heal cancer.

> Fermented soy products (miso, tamari, natto, and Haelan 951)

> contain enormously more genistein and lack some of the negative

> aspects of precipitated/processed soy products (tofu, bean curd,

> soy/textured vegetable protein).

> For most people who don't have cancer, I think it's safe to

> eat fermented, organic, non-GMO soy products in small to moderate

> amounts.

> If I had cancer, I would use the soy concentrate Haelan 951

> (if I could afford it--about $1,800/mo if ordered by health

> practitioner or health food store), which I've heard consistently

> excellent reports about. I believe it contains all the positive

> aspects of soy but has relatively few of its negative aspects.

> However, I would probably avoid eating soy foods; if I did eat

> them, I'd eat only non-GMO fermented soy products, in moderation,

> and would take extra pancreatic/digestive enzymes (pancreatin &

> bromelain).

> Soy has many positive and negative properties. Some people are

> greatly helped by it; some are harmed by it. I think it's

> unfortunate that attitudes re: soy have become polarized, w/people

> seeing only its positive qualities or only its negative qualities.

> Such polarization can be seen in each author in the pro/con article

> in _Alt. Med. Magazine_.

>

> Leonard

[Guest guest]

Hi !

Have you tried any tempeh over there? What do you think?

lotecq

> Hi Klaus,

>

> Regarding the article on soy by Tim O'Shea that says the " soy is

the

> worst thing you can put in your body " . Perhaps he might explain

why

> the Japanese currently enjoy the longest life span on earth and

they

> eat soy products everyday (tofu, soybeans, natto, soy milk etc).

> Recent research indicates that soy is beneficial in dealing with

> cancer. Below is an article on Natto (fermented soy beans that is

a

> popular food in Japan)

>

>

[Guest guest]

> Has anyone read the article in alternative medicine magazine on soy products?

I haven't. But there are two different opinions on soy. Everybody's body is

different. We, Japanese, eat lots of soy products. We drink miso soup every

meal or at least once a day, eat lots of tofu. Chinese also use lots of soy

products too. But at the same time, we do also eat lots of vegetables.

Someone forwarded an article while back about how Orientals are healthier

than Americans because of our eating habit.

I think the problem American have with soy is coming from how they consume

it. They are not making a balanced meal incorporating soy products. They

simply turn to the supplements. And most of them will mega dose it.

> Like, they say cooking destroys the enzymes and nutrients in food. Yet,

> logic tells me that if this was true the human race would have died out many

> thousands of years ago, from mal-nutrition. We've been cooking our food for

> that long.

Well, we are getting ill. There are more people suffering from cancer than

before. I'm not implying that lack of enzymes causes cancer. But just as an

example.

>

> So then why is it that somethings work great for some people and others get

> no benefit from them at all?

Because everybody's body is different. Maybe there are difference in some

enzyme levels in the body? I don't exactly know. But I think you find this

very interesting. Japanese have longer intestine than western people. This

is because of the diet that we ate for years. Our body evolve to adopt to

whatever the diet was.

>

> Why can some people smoke and drink and live in a totally filthy enviroment

> and be healthy and live a long life. And other people eat healthy foods and

> do healthy things and get up one morning peeing blood cause their kindey has

> cancer growing on?

I think we inherit something from our parents, grandparents etc. Some people

are weak to start with.

--

Yumi Guidotti

yumig@...

[Guest guest]

I did read the article. another interesting thing that I heard recently at

the Optimum Health Institute in Lemon Grove, Ca. is that 90% of Soy is

already genetically engineered. So the soy we get no is not the soy we used

to get anyway. Just FYI.

Toni

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 3/28/01 2:39:44 AM, Isleflower@... writes:

<< I did read the article. another interesting thing that I heard recently

at

the Optimum Health Institute in Lemon Grove, Ca. is that 90% of Soy is

already genetically engineered. So the soy we get no is not the soy we used

to get anyway. Just FYI.

Toni >>

Yes and they also said that the big problem was in the way that they process

it, using benzene to leach out stuff out. They also said that it wasn't used

for food at all until very recently. I'm curious about how soy products are

manufactured. Based on this article they use very unhealthy methods. I

don't know if they were talking in general or just the processes in the US.

That's probably what it is. The american manufacturers of food tend to like

to pee in their drinking water, I don't see this happening much in other

countries. Except for MSG I think the orientals are still mad us and are

trying to get back at us by putting this in all the chinese food. :-)

Is there an operation I can have to add more length to my intestines, so I

can be healthier?

Klaus

[Guest guest]

Pam,

Yes, definitely! Dr. Shaw has some research to support this and many

parents find that besides gluten and casein, all forms of soy and

sometimes corn must be removed. I would give the enzymes with all

food just because even though my son was off dozens of foods, when I

gave the enzymes consistently with everything, that's when the

improvements in behavior began.

> Hi all.

>

> I just got back from the doctor. I was eavesdropping on some

instructions the nurse was giving to other parent. This parent has

her child on the gfcf diet but the nurse said now they are

recommending not only to go gluten and casein free but soy free as

well. So I asked the doctor about it and he said that they (not sure

who) are finding that soy can cause the opiate effect in some

children.

>

> I have been giving my son soy milk for the last few weeks (probably

3 or 4 weeks). Since it was soy milk, I would let him drink it

without taking an enzyme. I have been noticing that he seems

somewhat " off " recently-a little spacey at times. Do you guys think

the soy could be the cause of the change in him?

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Interesting; thanks.

I cannot tolerate any oils right now (I'd been taking them for a long time);

I stopped the Total EFA as well & started Coremega as it's more " downable " .

Thanks,

Michele

In a message dated 1/6/2005 12:39:06 AM Eastern Standard Time,

writes:

> Michele,

>

> Not to butt-in (but I will!), the statement about Asians eating soy

> caught my eye. I've included two articles from Dr. Mercola's site

> that go in to the history of the Asian diet in regards to soy. Much

> of what the Asians eat for soy protein is in the fermented form

> (much, much different than the soy we are marketed). We have been

> mislead to believe that because the Asian diet contains soy it must

> be safe, without really looking further in to their dietary habits

> as a whole.

>

> I avoid soy as much as possible in the unfermented forms. I do

> allow it in boxed or store bought foods when it is used as an

> emulsifier (I'm assuming it is in small doses).

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2000/jan/9/truth_about_soy.htm

>

> http://www.mercola.com/2004/jul/31/soy.htm

>

> How long have you been taking the Omega 3s? Usually, the fish burbs

> and stomach upset goes away after a few weeks. If not, you can try

> larger doses of flax seed oil (Barleans is a great product) as well

> as the addition of borage oil in small amounts (GLA, an Omega 6

> fatty acids, has anti-inflammatory properties).

>

> Pam

>

>

>

>

> >

> Also, I don't eat much soy, but replace milk in cereal with soy

> etc. I

> >have heard this research about soy, but am skeptical. Asians seem

> to

> >eat lots of soy & do very well, according to studies as well. So

> I'm

> >not sure what to think. >Michele

> >

> removed]

[Guest guest]

Okay, now I am on a wheat-free and dairy free diet (allergy

avoidance). I don't eat sugar, preservatives, artificial colors,

and now am adding soy to my list of don'ts!!! It is so hard to even

find a salad dressing without at least one of these ingredients!

Ugh ... what can I eat?

Really I am exaggerating a bit - I still have organic fruit, vegies,

chicken and organic rice, green tea and water. Takes some getting

used to.

Cherie " sauna girl "

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> > > > >

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> > > > > diet is very, very important . . . Eliminate sugar and

> > > > > processed foods for starters! . . . This can be tough

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> > > > >

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> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

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[Guest guest]

Cherie,

You can eat oatmeal! . . . If you have Celiac disease,

you'll want to eat oatmeal imported from Ireland

because the U.S. product is manufacturered on the same

machinery used for gluten products. It's a very small

amount - but some Celiacs are affected.

There are some excellent websites that can help you

learn how to prepare gluten free meals. If you'l like,

I'll find the website a friend maintains.

You can also eat nuts! . . .

Hugs,

Rogene

--- Cherie <funhome2@...> wrote:

> Okay, now I am on a wheat-free and dairy free diet

> (allergy

> avoidance). I don't eat sugar, preservatives,

> artificial colors,

> and now am adding soy to my list of don'ts!!! It is

> so hard to even

> find a salad dressing without at least one of these

> ingredients!

> Ugh ... what can I eat?

>

> Really I am exaggerating a bit - I still have

> organic fruit, vegies,

> chicken and organic rice, green tea and water.

> Takes some getting

> used to.

> Cherie " sauna girl "

>

>

> > > > >,

> > > > >Are you still drinking soy milk or taking soy

> protein?

> > > > >

> > > > >I used to drink soy milk until I realized it

> was one of the

> > > culprits

> > > > >in making me feel so poorly! I had always

> read about the

> > > wonderful

> > > > >benefits of soy, so I never suspected

> it....until I realized

> I

> > > had a

> > > > >thyroid issue...and then I got educated about

> how bad soy is

> for

> > > > >those with thyroid issues!

> > > > >

> > > > >I would highly recomnmend that you do a trial

> period and stop

> > ALL

> > > > >soy products completely. Focus on eating

> healthy (no sugars,

> no

> > > > >processed junk foods, no soda, caffeine,

> alcohol, etc.) and

> see

> > if

> > > > >you feel any better.

> > > > >

> > > > >Soy is depressive of thyroid function, so

> even if you are not

> > > > >diagnosed with hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's,

> soy could still

> be

> > > > >affecting your thyroid in a negative manner

> and can make you

> > feel

> > > > >sick or lethargic.

> > > > >

> > > > >I avoid soy like the plague now!

> > > > >If I do eat it, I notice that I feel

> lethargic pretty quick,

> so

> > it

> > > > >is not worth it to me to even bother with it.

> > > > >Patty

> > > > >

> > > > >--- In ,

> allen

> <linallentx@>

> > > > >wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rogene,

> > > > > > It's funny...I've been a blood-hound for

> the past few

> yrs

> > on

> > > > >finding what works well for my body. I

> started all

> the " good "

> > > diet

> > > > >stuff many yrs ago. No sugar, no alcohal, no

> processed food,

> > very

> > > > >little meat, no bread mainly fruits and

> vegys. I drink soy

> > > protein

> > > > >in the mornings and faithful with all my

> supplemental

> vitamins.

> > > > >Probably would have gotten sicker sooner had

> I

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[Guest guest]

Someone told me that a good thing in place of soy is almond milk.

This is actually pretty good. I had heard the same things about soy

when I first started checking into organic foods. I also heard that

flax every day can do the same thing.

MK

alineSupport , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

>

> Cherie,

>

> You can eat oatmeal! . . . If you have Celiac disease,

> you'll want to eat oatmeal imported from Ireland

> because the U.S. product is manufacturered on the same

> machinery used for gluten products. It's a very small

> amount - but some Celiacs are affected.

>

> There are some excellent websites that can help you

> learn how to prepare gluten free meals. If you'l like,

> I'll find the website a friend maintains.

>

> You can also eat nuts! . . .

>

> Hugs,

>

> Rogene

>

> --- Cherie <funhome2@...> wrote:

>

> > Okay, now I am on a wheat-free and dairy free diet

> > (allergy

> > avoidance). I don't eat sugar, preservatives,

> > artificial colors,

> > and now am adding soy to my list of don'ts!!! It is

> > so hard to even

> > find a salad dressing without at least one of these

> > ingredients!

> > Ugh ... what can I eat?

> >

> > Really I am exaggerating a bit - I still have

> > organic fruit, vegies,

> > chicken and organic rice, green tea and water.

> > Takes some getting

> > used to.

> > Cherie " sauna girl "

> >

> >

> > > > > >,

> > > > > >Are you still drinking soy milk or taking soy

> > protein?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I used to drink soy milk until I realized it

> > was one of the

> > > > culprits

> > > > > >in making me feel so poorly! I had always

> > read about the

> > > > wonderful

> > > > > >benefits of soy, so I never suspected

> > it....until I realized

> > I

> > > > had a

> > > > > >thyroid issue...and then I got educated about

> > how bad soy is

> > for

> > > > > >those with thyroid issues!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I would highly recomnmend that you do a trial

> > period and stop

> > > ALL

> > > > > >soy products completely. Focus on eating

> > healthy (no sugars,

> > no

> > > > > >processed junk foods, no soda, caffeine,

> > alcohol, etc.) and

> > see

> > > if

> > > > > >you feel any better.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >Soy is depressive of thyroid function, so

> > even if you are not

> > > > > >diagnosed with hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's,

> > soy could still

> > be

> > > > > >affecting your thyroid in a negative manner

> > and can make you

> > > feel

> > > > > >sick or lethargic.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >I avoid soy like the plague now!

> > > > > >If I do eat it, I notice that I feel

> > lethargic pretty quick,

> > so

> > > it

> > > > > >is not worth it to me to even bother with it.

> > > > > >Patty

> > > > > >

> > > > > >--- In ,

> > allen

> > <linallentx@>

> > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rogene,

> > > > > > > It's funny...I've been a blood-hound for

> > the past few

> > yrs

> > > on

> > > > > >finding what works well for my body. I

> > started all

> > the " good "

> > > > diet

> > > > > >stuff many yrs ago. No sugar, no alcohal, no

> > processed food,

> > > very

> > > > > >little meat, no bread mainly fruits and

> > vegys. I drink soy

> > > > protein

> > > > > >in the mornings and faithful with all my

> > supplemental

> > vitamins.

> > > > > >Probably would have gotten sicker sooner had

> > I

> === message truncated ===

>

[Guest guest]

I use rice milk.

Lynda

At 10:07 PM 3/24/2006, you wrote:

>Someone told me that a good thing in place of soy is almond milk.

>This is actually pretty good. I had heard the same things about soy

>when I first started checking into organic foods. I also heard that

>flax every day can do the same thing.

>MK

>alineSupport , Rogene S <saxony01@...> wrote:

> >

> > Cherie,

> >

> > You can eat oatmeal! . . . If you have Celiac disease,

> > you'll want to eat oatmeal imported from Ireland

> > because the U.S. product is manufacturered on the same

> > machinery used for gluten products. It's a very small

> > amount - but some Celiacs are affected.

> >

> > There are some excellent websites that can help you

> > learn how to prepare gluten free meals. If you'l like,

> > I'll find the website a friend maintains.

> >

> > You can also eat nuts! . . .

> >

> > Hugs,

> >

> > Rogene

> >

> > --- Cherie <funhome2@...> wrote:

> >

> > > Okay, now I am on a wheat-free and dairy free diet

> > > (allergy

> > > avoidance). I don't eat sugar, preservatives,

> > > artificial colors,

> > > and now am adding soy to my list of don'ts!!! It is

> > > so hard to even

> > > find a salad dressing without at least one of these

> > > ingredients!

> > > Ugh ... what can I eat?

> > >

> > > Really I am exaggerating a bit - I still have

> > > organic fruit, vegies,

> > > chicken and organic rice, green tea and water.

> > > Takes some getting

> > > used to.

> > > Cherie " sauna girl "

> > >

> > >

> > > > > > >,

> > > > > > >Are you still drinking soy milk or taking soy

> > > protein?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I used to drink soy milk until I realized it

> > > was one of the

> > > > > culprits

> > > > > > >in making me feel so poorly! I had always

> > > read about the

> > > > > wonderful

> > > > > > >benefits of soy, so I never suspected

> > > it....until I realized

> > > I

> > > > > had a

> > > > > > >thyroid issue...and then I got educated about

> > > how bad soy is

> > > for

> > > > > > >those with thyroid issues!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I would highly recomnmend that you do a trial

> > > period and stop

> > > > ALL

> > > > > > >soy products completely. Focus on eating

> > > healthy (no sugars,

> > > no

> > > > > > >processed junk foods, no soda, caffeine,

> > > alcohol, etc.) and

> > > see

> > > > if

> > > > > > >you feel any better.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >Soy is depressive of thyroid function, so

> > > even if you are not

> > > > > > >diagnosed with hypothyroidism or Hashimoto's,

> > > soy could still

> > > be

> > > > > > >affecting your thyroid in a negative manner

> > > and can make you

> > > > feel

> > > > > > >sick or lethargic.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >I avoid soy like the plague now!

> > > > > > >If I do eat it, I notice that I feel

> > > lethargic pretty quick,

> > > so

> > > > it

> > > > > > >is not worth it to me to even bother with it.

> > > > > > >Patty

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >--- In ,

> > > allen

> > > <linallentx@>

> > > > > > >wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rogene,

> > > > > > > > It's funny...I've been a blood-hound for

> > > the past few

> > > yrs

> > > > on

> > > > > > >finding what works well for my body. I

> > > started all

> > > the " good "

> > > > > diet

> > > > > > >stuff many yrs ago. No sugar, no alcohal, no

> > > processed food,

> > > > very

> > > > > > >little meat, no bread mainly fruits and

> > > vegys. I drink soy

> > > > > protein

> > > > > > >in the mornings and faithful with all my

> > > supplemental

> > > vitamins.

> > > > > > >Probably would have gotten sicker sooner had

> > > I

> > === message truncated ===

> >

>

>

>

>

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In a message dated 4/27/06 7:22:12 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

iandixon25lr@... writes:

They also recommend use of the traditionally prepared soy - rather than > mass

produced highly refined products. As for soy milk - they suggest having

different 'milks' during the week - there are other replacement 'milks'

From what I know, any soy but fermented is forbidden.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

>For one, phytoestrogens in soy feeds cancer,

Thank you for pointing that out.

Karin

[Guest guest]

Hi, Do you have any proof that phytoestrogens in soy promote (feed) cancer? I'd

like to check it out.

Ths

Re: Soy

wrote:

>For one, phytoestrogens in soy feeds cancer,

Thank you for pointing that out.

Karin

[Guest guest]

,

This is exactly what Dr. has documented in her latest book,

The Prevention of All Cancers. It's well worth the price! I am not

near my book right now, but if you need more details, please let me

know.

-Lori

> >For one, phytoestrogens in soy feeds cancer,

>

> Thank you for pointing that out.

> Karin

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

The same goes for milk, it grows cancer cells

Quoting houyhnhnm10 <howland@...>:

> ,

>

> This is exactly what Dr. has documented in her latest book,

> The Prevention of All Cancers. It's well worth the price! I am not

> near my book right now, but if you need more details, please let me

> know.

>

> -Lori

>

>

> > >For one, phytoestrogens in soy feeds cancer,

> >

> > Thank you for pointing that out.

> > Karin

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Lori,

Soy milk is not a phytoestrogen. My question pertains to phytoestrogens NOT to

unfermented soy and its byproducts. See my rrsponse elsewhere.

Regards

Re: Re: Soy

The same goes for milk, it grows cancer cells

Quoting houyhnhnm10 <howland@...>:

> ,

>

> This is exactly what Dr. has documented in her latest book,

> The Prevention of All Cancers. It's well worth the price! I am not

> near my book right now, but if you need more details, please let me

> know.

>

> -Lori

>

>

> > >For one, phytoestrogens in soy feeds cancer,

> >

> > Thank you for pointing that out.

> > Karin

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Hi:

I have a friend that got a cyst the size of a canelope and she used to eat a

lot of mizo soup. She thinks it was the soy. It is not cancerous but still..

interesting uh

linda

Ed <ejones@...> wrote:

The same goes for milk, it grows cancer cells

Quoting houyhnhnm10 <howland@...>:

> ,

>

> This is exactly what Dr. has documented in her latest book,

> The Prevention of All Cancers. It's well worth the price! I am not

> near my book right now, but if you need more details, please let me

> know.

>

> -Lori

>

>

> > >For one, phytoestrogens in soy feeds cancer,

> >

> > Thank you for pointing that out.

> > Karin

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I'm a soy eater, drink soy milk too. have been eating meat replacement

gluten/soy foods since I was a kid... I also quit wearing a bra all day long

for the past 5-6 years so my lymph ducts can flow with harmony.... Cancer does

not run in my family. I just learned of the aluminum thing today. That might

explain my memory problems. Both of my Chinese buddies are big time soy eaters

and both nutty as fruitcakes. But I love them anyway.

A lot of people have soy allergy. I might, I don't know why I break out in

hives a lot. For sure Strawberries and chocolate.. maybe nectarines and possibly

soy. I don't worry about it much, but the hives are annoying.

fcunsrial@... wrote:

Hi ,

I agree that there are a number of problems with soy cultivation, GMO, mold,

poor fermentation, etc. but I am referring not to the soy itself but the

phytoestrogens textacts.

The Japanese people eat lots of fermented soy products and I would not advise

anyone to eat raw soy nuts but the phytoestrogens have been real lifesavers for

many women who did not like the idea of putting synthetic estrogen into their

bodies and have relied on soy phytoextarcs such as Denzein, Genistein, etc.

Regards

.

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[Guest guest]

I ate a bit more soy products during menopause hot flash years and took soy

isoflavinoid supplements. I also took black cohosh, don quai and used wild yam

cream.

fcunsrial@... wrote: Lori,

Soy milk is not a phytoestrogen. My question pertains to phytoestrogens NOT to

unfermented soy and its byproducts. See my rrsponse elsewhere.

Regards

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