Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 HI all - I agree about aspartame. I was a Diet Coke addict for years, and until recently drank four or more a day (usually caffeine free). I finally took my doctors' advice and quit - well, almost - I still have one a day with caffeine in the morning! And my fibromyalgia pain hasn't been this mild in years! I'm not sure if that was it but I know it couldn't have hurt. Best, Jennie --- Oliveira@... wrote: > > > > >Ken said I would say something about my opinion on > artificial > >sweeteners. Mostly, I won't take anything with > aspartame > >(Nutrasweet, Equal, Spoonful) in it. Maybe I've > just fallen for > >hype, but it's my personal choice. > > >Laurie Lassesen > > > Laurie, > > I totally agree with your concerns about aspartame. > I have a sister-in-law > who is a neuroradiologist and she says that most > brain surgeons won't touch > the stuff because of the brain tumor issue. I also > read a book > " Excitotoxins " written by a Neurologist (can't > remember the name) and he > says the same things as well. I think that any of > us with brain fog or any > neurological sx's should stay away from this poison. > If our brain > protecting factors aren't quite working up to par > then we are at risk when > ingesting these excitatory agents. I know I always > felt " weird in the head " > when I would drink a diet soda. Now I stay away > from it! > > O. > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2000 Report Share Posted June 2, 2000 > HI all - > I agree about aspartame. I was a Diet Coke addict for > years, and until recently drank four or more a day > (usually caffeine free). I finally took my doctors' > advice and quit - well, almost - I still have one a > day with caffeine in the morning! And my fibromyalgia > pain hasn't been this mild in years! I'm not sure if > that was it but I know it couldn't have hurt. > > Best, Jennie , I was like you, had heard bad things, but never really paid too much attention. Then I read Cheney on our detox failure and neurotoxins. I quit using it and in a few days I stopped having trouble focusing my eyes. I now wonder how much the stuff contributed to my HPA axis problems. Luke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 12, 2002 Report Share Posted February 12, 2002 Hi, We only use pure stevia powder. Use only tiny amounts - it is strong and has a funny aftertaste if too much is used. No sugar problems including yeast flares. Becky. Re: [ ] re:artificial sweeteners Thanks for the info. We're already off of aspartame. Do you know anything negative about the new one, Sucralose? Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 13, 2002 Report Share Posted February 13, 2002 > artificial sweeteners are one of those " additives " that are not only unhealthy but dangerous for some people. > there are other names it comes under: Monsanto's NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste... propably more too. Hi Minna, I had a very upsetting problem with Aspartame some time ago. I didn't even realize how bad that crap is until my son had some sips of juice that had Aspartame. He became completely mute for several hours, he didn't say one single sound that day, he refused to kiss me... he was pushing me any time I tried to get closer to him.... It was so scary! I didn't even know it's supposed to have such fast reaction. Valentina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 I a taking them because the docs are putting me on a diabetic diet to help me lose weight and that is the best diet for me. the WV hillbilly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2003 Report Share Posted May 5, 2003 Sophie is absoutely right....artificial sweetners are of no help in losing weight. I prefer real sugar, real butter etc. love jerry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 In oatmeal I add Sugar Twin Brown Sugar and cinnamon. You can also use splenda or sweet-n-low type products. Just make sure you measure and are careful. You can also buy sugar free syrups by DaVinci that are good to put in things. Plain oatmeal is the pits Often I will use 1/3 cup of oatmeal (1/2 is my normal portion size) and then toss in a few frozen berries to up the carbs and give more flavor. Colleen > What artificial sweeteners are ok to use, if any, on BFL? I just tasted plain oatmeal for the first time, ick. I like mine a little sweet. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Thanks for the tip. See, everyone is talking about measuring things and being careful, and I don't know what it is that I " m supposed to measure! Re: artificial sweeteners In oatmeal I add Sugar Twin Brown Sugar and cinnamon. You can also use splenda or sweet-n-low type products. Just make sure you measure and are careful. You can also buy sugar free syrups by DaVinci that are good to put in things. Plain oatmeal is the pits Often I will use 1/3 cup of oatmeal (1/2 is my normal portion size) and then toss in a few frozen berries to up the carbs and give more flavor. Colleen > What artificial sweeteners are ok to use, if any, on BFL? I just tasted plain oatmeal for the first time, ick. I like mine a little sweet. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Sorry I can be vague at times...just as my husband Make sure not to overdo it on the sweeteners as they can add up. Some people think because it is a sweetener and not real sugar they can go " hog wild " but I still like to be careful and use as minimal amount as possible (i.e. one packet per oatmeal rather than 5). I use the least bit I can to still like what I am eating. If a recipe calls for a lot of splenda I usually try half the amount first and see how I like it. Colleen > Thanks for the tip. > > See, everyone is talking about measuring things and being careful, and I don't know what it is that I " m supposed to measure! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Hi bbc, Aspartame is a poisonous substance and includes such sweeteners as NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste (Information on Splenda is towards the end of the following quotes). Check this out: http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/eagle/1135/id31.htm " A study of available literature on the subject reveals that over the years more and more indications have arisen that suggest that the public is at great risk through its repeated use. Serious consideration should be given to discontinuing the ingestion of aspartame until the safety or lack thereof is firmly established. " Aspartame was never, and cannot be, proven to be safe. It is not and cannot be a diet aid because the formaldehyde (from the breakdown of the 10% methanol) gets stored in the fat along with some water. The National Soft Drink Association did a 30-page protest in the 1980 & rsquo;s that mentioned the fact that aspartame was unstable, and that aspartame reduced the levels of serotonin (a substance that gives one that " full " feeling) which often induces a craving for carbohydrates. Diminished serotonin is also linked to behavioral problems. Perhaps the phrase that best applies is " Aspartame is a Pandora's box of chameleon-like toxins and tumor agents that have 92 FDA acknowledged ways to ruin your life, death being one of them. " Aspartame is inherently, markedly and uniquely unstable in aqueous media. " (readily breaks down from 10% methanol to formaldehyde, and from phenylalanine to diketopiperazine (DKP), a known tumor agent) " The demonstrated ability of aspartame to inhibit the glucose induced release of serotonin has the potential to affect important serotonin-mediated behaviors, such as satiety, food choice and sleep. " " When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood alcohol in ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is the poison found in the sting of fire ants.) The methanol toxicity mimics Multiple Sclerosis; thus, people were being diagnosed with having Multiple Sclerosis in error. The Multiple Sclerosis is not a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. In the case of Systemic Lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as Multiple Sclerosis, especially by Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. " http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ " Splenda, also known as sucralose, is artificial sweetener which is a chlorinated sucrose derivative. Facts about this artificial chemical follows: research showed that sucralose caused shrunken thymus glands (up to 40% shrinkage) and enlarged liver and kidneys. The manufacturer claims that the chlorine added to sucralose is similar to the chlorine atom in the salt (NaCl) molecule. That is not the case. Sucralose may be more like ingesting tiny amounts of chlorinated pesticides, but we will never know without long-term, independent human research. " I hope that helps. Bee > I'm still sifting through the archives, but had a quick question after > reading Bee's initial candida article. > > Why are things like aspartame and Splenda bad for my diet? > > thanks! > > bbc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 23, 2004 Report Share Posted May 23, 2004 Well, it's depressing, but yes, it surely does help. Thanks, Bee. At 09:55 AM 5/23/2004, you wrote: >Hi bbc, > >Aspartame is a poisonous substance and includes such sweeteners as >NutraSweet/Equal/Spoonful/Benevia/NatraTaste (Information on Splenda >is towards the end of the following quotes). Check this out: ><http://www.fortunecity.com/meltingpot/eagle/1135/id31.htm>http://www.fortuneci\ ty.com/meltingpot/eagle/1135/id31.htm > > " A study of available literature on the subject reveals that over the >years more and more indications have arisen that suggest that the >public is at great risk through its repeated use. Serious >consideration should be given to discontinuing the ingestion of >aspartame until the safety or lack thereof is firmly established. " >Aspartame was never, and cannot be, proven to be safe. It is not and >cannot be a diet aid because the formaldehyde (from the breakdown of >the 10% methanol) gets stored in the fat along with some water. The >National Soft Drink Association did a 30-page protest in the >1980 & rsquo;s that mentioned the fact that aspartame was unstable, and >that aspartame reduced the levels of serotonin (a substance that >gives one that " full " feeling) which often induces a craving for >carbohydrates. Diminished serotonin is also linked to behavioral >problems. > >Perhaps the phrase that best applies is " Aspartame is a Pandora's box >of chameleon-like toxins and tumor agents that have 92 FDA >acknowledged ways to ruin your life, death being one of them. " > >Aspartame is inherently, markedly and uniquely >unstable in aqueous media. " (readily breaks down from 10% methanol to >formaldehyde, and from phenylalanine to diketopiperazine (DKP), a >known tumor agent) > > " The demonstrated ability of aspartame to inhibit the glucose induced >release of serotonin has the potential to affect important >serotonin-mediated behaviors, such as satiety, food choice and sleep. " > > " When the temperature of Aspartame exceeds 86 degrees F, the wood >alcohol in ASPARTAME coverts to formaldehyde and then to formic >acid, which in turn causes metabolic acidosis. (Formic acid is >the poison found in the sting of fire ants.) The methanol toxicity >mimics Multiple Sclerosis; thus, people were being diagnosed with >having Multiple Sclerosis in error. The Multiple Sclerosis is not >a death sentence, where methanol toxicity is. In the case of >Systemic Lupus, we are finding it has become almost as rampant as >Multiple Sclerosis, especially by Diet Coke and Diet Pepsi drinkers. " > > ><http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/>http://www.holisticmed.com/splenda/ > " Splenda, also known as sucralose, is artificial sweetener which is a >chlorinated sucrose derivative. Facts about this artificial chemical >follows: research showed that sucralose caused shrunken thymus glands >(up to 40% shrinkage) and enlarged liver and kidneys. > >The manufacturer claims that the chlorine added to sucralose is >similar to the chlorine atom in the salt (NaCl) molecule. That is not >the case. Sucralose may be more like ingesting tiny amounts of >chlorinated pesticides, but we will never know without long-term, >independent human research. " > >I hope that helps. > >Bee > > > > > I'm still sifting through the archives, but had a quick question >after > > reading Bee's initial candida article. > > > > Why are things like aspartame and Splenda bad for my diet? > > > > thanks! > > > > bbc > > > >---------- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Polar brand flavored seltzer and water or make own , mix 1/4 cup juice with 3/4 seltzer. artificial sweeteners Hi all! I don't get to post much anymore, but I have a question that I desperately need help with. My 5 year old, who is SLOWLY responding to the protocol, loves to drink diet drinks. Now, before anyone says anything, he also drinks plenty of plain old water. I was wondering if anyone out there has found any flavored drinks without sugars or artificial sweeteners. Please let me know if you have. The artificial sweeteners are causing horrible diarrhea with him. We have restricted him to one diet drink a day, but he's so desperate to have them that it's hard to watch him cry when I give him water. I've poured the water into the diet bottles, but it doesn't fool him one bit. Sorry for rambling, but I need help with this one. Thanks as always for listening. Shona in MS Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Shona, Is it all sweeteners causing the problems? Lots of things are sweetened with Splenda now instead of Nutrasweet, and Dr G told me did not have a problem with Splenda. > Hi all! I don't get to post much anymore, but I have a question that > I desperately need help with. My 5 year old, who is SLOWLY responding > to the protocol, loves to drink diet drinks. Now, before anyone says > anything, he also drinks plenty of plain old water. I was wondering > if anyone out there has found any flavored drinks without sugars or > artificial sweeteners. Please let me know if you have. The > artificial sweeteners are causing horrible diarrhea with him. We have > restricted him to one diet drink a day, but he's so desperate to have > them that it's hard to watch him cry when I give him water. I've > poured the water into the diet bottles, but it doesn't fool him one > bit. Sorry for rambling, but I need help with this one. Thanks as > always for listening. > > Shona in MS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Hello just thought I would let you know my older child likes lemonade but of course cannot tolerate the sugar and yes one small bottle of diet sends him to the loo - What I do now is use plain soda water mixed with about one inch of lemonade he seems happy with that for now but he still only gets this about 4 times a week. Regards Terri NZ artificial sweeteners Hi all! I don't get to post much anymore, but I have a question that I desperately need help with. My 5 year old, who is SLOWLY responding to the protocol, loves to drink diet drinks. Now, before anyone says anything, he also drinks plenty of plain old water. I was wondering if anyone out there has found any flavored drinks without sugars or artificial sweeteners. Please let me know if you have. The artificial sweeteners are causing horrible diarrhea with him. We have restricted him to one diet drink a day, but he's so desperate to have them that it's hard to watch him cry when I give him water. I've poured the water into the diet bottles, but it doesn't fool him one bit. Sorry for rambling, but I need help with this one. Thanks as always for listening. Shona in MS Responsibility for the content of this message lies strictly with the original author(s), and is not necessarily endorsed by or the opinion of the Research Institute. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2005 Report Share Posted May 3, 2005 Has anyone tried Stevia as a sweetener? Natural and non toxic. --- s <rat.richards@...> wrote: > Hello just thought I would let you know my older > child likes lemonade but of course cannot tolerate > the sugar and yes one small bottle of diet sends him > to the loo - What I do now is use plain soda water > mixed with about one inch of lemonade he seems happy > with that for now but he still only gets this about > 4 times a week. > > Regards > Terri NZ > artificial sweeteners > > > Hi all! I don't get to post much anymore, but I > have a question that > I desperately need help with. My 5 year old, who > is SLOWLY responding > to the protocol, loves to drink diet drinks. Now, > before anyone says > anything, he also drinks plenty of plain old > water. I was wondering > if anyone out there has found any flavored drinks > without sugars or > artificial sweeteners. Please let me know if you > have. The > artificial sweeteners are causing horrible > diarrhea with him. We have > restricted him to one diet drink a day, but he's > so desperate to have > them that it's hard to watch him cry when I give > him water. I've > poured the water into the diet bottles, but it > doesn't fool him one > bit. Sorry for rambling, but I need help with > this one. Thanks as > always for listening. > > Shona in MS > > > > > > Responsibility for the content of this message > lies strictly with > the original author(s), and is not necessarily > endorsed by or the > opinion of the Research Institute. > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2005 Report Share Posted May 4, 2005 Yes. I have tried Stevia. It's tricky to find as it's on the supplement isle of the health food store and not the sweetener or baking isle. You can get it in drops or as a powder. It works great to sweeten iced tea. I baked a little with it too, but the taste and texture isn't exactly right (doesn't brown like sugar). It's OK to sweeten muffins or something that wouldn't be a really sweet treat. I'd bet it would make great lemonade. It would also probably work mixed with unsweetened Kool aid if your kid can handle all that dye. There are some web sites with recipes and such. Perhaps someone here would have better luck baking with it. April artificial sweeteners > > > > > > Hi all! I don't get to post much anymore, but I > > have a question that > > I desperately need help with. My 5 year old, who > > is SLOWLY responding > > to the protocol, loves to drink diet drinks. Now, > > before anyone says > > anything, he also drinks plenty of plain old > > water. I was wondering > > if anyone out there has found any flavored drinks > > without sugars or > > artificial sweeteners. Please let me know if you > > have. The > > artificial sweeteners are causing horrible > > diarrhea with him. We have > > restricted him to one diet drink a day, but he's > > so desperate to have > > them that it's hard to watch him cry when I give > > him water. I've > > poured the water into the diet bottles, but it > > doesn't fool him one > > bit. Sorry for rambling, but I need help with > > this one. Thanks as > > always for listening. > > > > Shona in MS > > > > > > > > > > > > Responsibility for the content of this message > > lies strictly with > > the original author(s), and is not necessarily > > endorsed by or the > > opinion of the Research Institute. > > > > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2005 Report Share Posted October 5, 2005 Do you really have to have detailed technical jargon for POISON. mcpherson.bg@... wrote:Could those of you who understand this--I know Irene does, but probably others--could you explain how artificial sweeteners contribute to insulin resistance? Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Could those of you who understand this--I know Irene does, but probably others--could you explain how artificial sweeteners contribute to insulin resistance? > Gretchen I am surprised at this response. I guess I just thought that since so many people imbibing " poison " in large quantities on a daily basis, it would be nice to be able to tell them why it's counterproductive. I could say, " That's poison you're drinking! " and they will say, " How is it poison? " and I will say....I don't know what. I'm used to information like that being shared freely on this list, by people like you who are knowledgeable. It takes longer to do a search on the Net, but I can do that. Thanks, anyway. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Gretchen, It stores in the brain and causes neural problems. The stuff in diet colas causes weight gain, and can cause people to loose control of their balance and have other problems as well. It also can't be just detoxed out. I think you can find more and better information on this online, but they are really detrimental to our health. Could those of you who understand this--I know Irene does, but probably others--could you explain how artificial sweeteners contribute to insulin resistance? > Gretchen I am surprised at this response. I guess I just thought that since so many people imbibing " poison " in large quantities on a daily basis, it would be nice to be able to tell them why it's counterproductive. I could say, " That's poison you're drinking! " and they will say, " How is it poison? " and I will say....I don't know what. I'm used to information like that being shared freely on this list, by people like you who are knowledgeable. It takes longer to do a search on the Net, but I can do that. Thanks, anyway. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Sorry for being so abrupt. I'll try to explain: After 35 years of doing natural health I sometimes get annoyed when people (not you personally) question the why's of healthy choices but will follow doctors orders and take prescriptions without questions. You got me on the right (or wrong) day. I think Irene has supplied you with some of the detailed info. Thanks Irene Molly & Gretchen McPherson <mcpherson.bg@...> wrote: Could those of you who understand this--I know Irene does, but probably others--could you explain how artificial sweeteners contribute to insulin resistance? > Gretchen I am surprised at this response. I guess I just thought that since so many people imbibing " poison " in large quantities on a daily basis, it would be nice to be able to tell them why it's counterproductive. I could say, " That's poison you're drinking! " and they will say, " How is it poison? " and I will say....I don't know what. I'm used to information like that being shared freely on this list, by people like you who are knowledgeable. It takes longer to do a search on the Net, but I can do that. Thanks, anyway. Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thanks, Irene and Kathy....and I can see, from reading what Irene sent (yes, it's pretty technical) that Kathy is right, you might as well drink poison. It's really pretty gruesome in all the detail. I did just buy some vegetable glycerine yesterday, for times when I want some sweetness without the sugar.... Gretchen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2005 Report Share Posted October 7, 2005 In a message dated 10/6/2005 9:57:31 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mcpherson.bg@... writes: It takes longer to do a search on the Net, but I can do that. Thanks, anyway. The trouble with web searches on artificial sweetners is that you get both sides and both arguments are persuasive. Somehow, I doubt that Ally Oop used artificial sweetners or sugars and rarely honey so I minimize sweets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 I use artificial sweeteners all the time and have been now for years with no apparent affect on my breathing… I actually sometimes think when I eat too much sugar it causes me problems! K. Artificial sweeteners I’ve used sugar for a while now in my coffee/tea but after a recent dose of pred. I had too much weight gain so resorted to artificial sweeteners only to find that I’m having a reaction to them after using them for a couple of days i.e. tightness in the chest and having to use Ventolin. Is this just me or have others experienced this as well? -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.405 / Virus Database: 268.12.9/456 - Release Date: 25/09/2006 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 hi rmg,no relation to EtG production i am aware of...regards,rrmgreen21 <rmgreen21@...> wrote: Has anyone heard about etg and artificial sweeteners (sweet n low, equal, etc.)? I don't know how these chemically breakdown in our bodies...just wondering, as I drink diet coke and use splenda/sweet n low with coffee....Thanks! Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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