Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 derived from fructose,lb,yep...haven't got the foggiest on the artificial sweetener in the tylenol my only thought maybe more would take it if it tastes sweet cover for bitter taste...regards,rlilibit007@... wrote: isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2006 Report Share Posted November 26, 2006 OH NO...How do you all know this stuff? I fear I have lost ALL of my pharmacy knowledge over the past 18 months. Has anyone else here ever been out of practice for so long and felt like they had become incompetent??? robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: derived from fructose,lb,yep...haven't got the foggiest on the artificial sweetener in the tylenol my only thought maybe more would take it if it tastes sweet cover for bitter taste...regards,rlilibit007aol wrote: isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 lorie,your knowledge base is awesome and more importantly you are sharp and can figure things out...a little internet searching goes a long way...for me an open mind is hard to find...you have one of those,and have taught me a lot...you know i think you are going to be even better than ever because you really care and it shows..patients love that...regards,rLorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote: OH NO...How do you all know this stuff? I fear I have lost ALL of my pharmacy knowledge over the past 18 months. Has anyone else here ever been out of practice for so long and felt like they had become incompetent??? robin murray <remurraymd > wrote: derived from fructose,lb,yep...haven't got the foggiest on the artificial sweetener in the tylenol my only thought maybe more would take it if it tastes sweet cover for bitter taste...regards,rlilibit007aol wrote: isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 LORI: your knowledge has impressed me from day one. i think you are really sharp and anyone that has crossed your path could easily see that. robin, another smart cookie :) > isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Lorie, My dear from what I have read from you you have not only not lost knowledge, but gained and shared quite a bit! I can definitely relate to what you are saying though. I had only graduated in 99, practiced in retail for a couple of years, then got caught. I tried long term care, home infusion, and ultimately hospital, where i am now. But I definitely felt, and still feel at times, that the neurons are just not connecting like they should! Honestly what helped me is being a member of ASHP and doing there CE. That and every once in a while I will pick up one of those god awful books from school and scan a chapter. Hope this helps! Bonnie From: Ethylglucuronide [mailto:Ethylglucuronide ] On Behalf Of robin murraySent: Monday, November 27, 2006 2:49 AMEthylglucuronide Subject: Re: artificial sweeteners lorie,your knowledge base is awesome and more importantly you are sharp and can figure things out...a little internet searching goes a long way...for me an open mind is hard to find...you have one of those,and have taught me a lot...you know i think you are going to be even better than ever because you really care and it shows..patients love that...regards,rLorie Garlick <saclorie > wrote: OH NO...How do you all know this stuff? I fear I have lost ALL of my pharmacy knowledge over the past 18 months. Has anyone else here ever been out of practice for so long and felt like they had become incompetent??? robin murray <remurraymd > wrote: derived from fructose,lb,yep...haven't got the foggiest on the artificial sweetener in the tylenol my only thought maybe more would take it if it tastes sweet cover for bitter taste...regards,rlilibit007aol wrote: isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Lorie you have helped me too. Regarding tylenol, topamax. I have been reviewing my positive etg and I truly think there is a connection with any type of meds that effect the liver. Every time I had positive I was taking meds that effected the liver. Just my current theory. Right now I am waiting for the BRN of ca to catch up with me, so I am not being tested. But I am still paranoid about using products and eating foods. --- joyous1_1210 <joyous1_1210@...> wrote: > LORI: your knowledge has impressed me from day one. > i think you are > really sharp and anyone that has crossed your path > could easily see > that. robin, another smart cookie :) > > > > isn't the drug topamax an artificial > sweetener > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Want to start your own business? Learn how on > Small > Business. > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > Access over 1 million songs - Music > Unlimited. > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sponsored Link Don't quit your job - take classes online www.Classesusa.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Lori: Don't you think that--you are a fountain of knowledge in a desert of a lack of knowledge! You have helped so many of us understand and deal with this Etg mess! Hang in there. We appreciate you and need your knowledge. Re: artificial sweeteners LORI: your knowledge has impressed me from day one. i think you are really sharp and anyone that has crossed your path could easily see that. robin, another smart cookie :)> isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener> > > > > > ---------------------------------> Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > ---------------------------------> Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Amen to that! And to the "smart cookie " comment about Robin as well. Don't sweat it Laurie, I couldn't walk in to an ICU and take a fresh open heart today; but three years ago I couldn't have approved a non-covered partial-hospital stay for a discharged sailor, either! You will be fine. ( And I DON'T mean..you know..) ~~~~~~~~~~Keep the faith, Sister~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Eva> > isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener> > > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small > Business. > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------> > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited.> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 ---Lorie, I think you and Robin should procreate. Think of how smart the offspring would be! You da bomb! In Ethylglucuronide , Lorie Garlick <saclorie@...> wrote: > > OH NO...How do you all know this stuff? I fear I have lost ALL of my pharmacy knowledge over the past 18 months. Has anyone else here ever been out of practice for so long and felt like they had become incompetent??? > > robin murray <remurraymd@...> wrote: derived from fructose,lb,yep...haven't got the foggiest on the artificial sweetener in the tylenol > my only thought maybe more would take it if it tastes sweet cover for bitter taste...regards,r > > lilibit007@... wrote: > isn't the drug topamax an artificial sweetener > > > > > > --------------------------------- > Want to start your own business? Learn how on Small Business. > > > > > --------------------------------- > Access over 1 million songs - Music Unlimited. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2009 Report Share Posted August 11, 2009 Are there any studies on nonnutritive sweeteners and gut flora in humans? The only one I found was with high doses of Splenda given to rats: J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2008;71(21):1415-29. Splenda alters gut microflora and increases intestinal p-glycoprotein and cytochrome p-450 in male rats. Abou-Donia MB, El-Masry EM, Abdel-Rahman AA, McLendon RE, Schiffman SS. Department of Pharmacology, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, North Carolina 27708, USA. donia@... Splenda is comprised of the high-potency artificial sweetener sucralose (1.1%) and the fillers maltodextrin and glucose. Splenda was administered by oral gavage at 100, 300, 500, or 1000 mg/kg to male Sprague-Dawley rats for 12-wk, during which fecal samples were collected weekly for bacterial analysis and measurement of fecal pH. After 12-wk, half of the animals from each treatment group were sacrificed to determine the intestinal expression of the membrane efflux transporter P-glycoprotein (P-gp) and the cytochrome P-450 (CYP) metabolism system by Western blot. The remaining animals were allowed to recover for an additional 12-wk, and further assessments of fecal microflora, fecal pH, and expression of P-gp and CYP were determined. At the end of the 12-wk treatment period, the numbers of total anaerobes, bifidobacteria, lactobacilli, Bacteroides, clostridia, and total aerobic bacteria were significantly decreased; however, there was no significant treatment effect on enterobacteria. Splenda also increased fecal pH and enhanced the expression of P-gp by 2.43-fold, CYP3A4 by 2.51-fold, and CYP2D1 by 3.49-fold. Following the 12-wk recovery period, only the total anaerobes and bifidobacteria remained significantly depressed, whereas pH values, P-gp, and CYP3A4 and CYP2D1 remained elevated. These changes occurred at Splenda dosages that contained sucralose at 1.1-11 mg/kg (the US FDA Acceptable Daily Intake for sucralose is 5 mg/kg). Evidence indicates that a 12-wk administration of Splenda exerted numerous adverse effects, including (1) reduction in beneficial fecal microflora, (2) increased fecal pH, and (3) enhanced expression levels of P-gp, CYP3A4, and CYP2D1, which are known to limit the bioavailability of orally administered drugs. Amy Long Carrera MS, RD, CNSC Clinical Dietitian Northridge Hospital Medical Center & Center for Weight Loss Surgery 818-885-8500 x 4034 amy.long@... From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of dianejavelli Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:44 PM Subject: Artificial sweeteners Am wondering what guidelines your programs have about artificial sweeteners. Our program has always allowed - in moderation of course. Now since there have been a couple of articles printed about art. sweeteners possibly causing wt gain or decreasing gut flora there are staff that are ready to say that they should be banned. Looking for your opinions and possibly any research to refute or validate this opinion. Thanks. -Diane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2009 Report Share Posted August 12, 2009 Thanks Amy! Any other comments? Anyone that doesn't use artficial sweeteners for their bari patients??? Your input will be very helpful. Thanks. -Diane On Tue, 11 Aug 2009, Long, Amy - NHMC wrote: > Are there any studies on nonnutritive sweeteners and gut flora in > humans? The only one I found was with high doses of Splenda given to > rats: > > > > J Toxicol Environ Health A. 2008;71(21):1415-29. > > Splenda alters gut microflora and increases intestinal p-glycoprotein > and cytochrome p-450 in male rats. > > Abou-Donia MB, El-Masry EM, Abdel-Rahman AA, McLendon RE, Schiffman SS. > > Department of Pharmacology, Duke University Medical Center, Durham, > North Carolina 27708, USA. donia@... > > Splenda is comprised of the high-potency artificial sweetener sucralose > (1.1%) and the fillers maltodextrin and glucose. Splenda was > administered by oral gavage at 100, 300, 500, or 1000 mg/kg to male > Sprague-Dawley rats for 12-wk, during which fecal samples were collected > weekly for bacterial analysis and measurement of fecal pH. After 12-wk, > half of the animals from each treatment group were sacrificed to > determine the intestinal expression of the membrane efflux transporter > P-glycoprotein (P-gp) and the cytochrome P-450 (CYP) metabolism system > by Western blot. The remaining animals were allowed to recover for an > additional 12-wk, and further assessments of fecal microflora, fecal pH, > and expression of P-gp and CYP were determined. At the end of the 12-wk > treatment period, the numbers of total anaerobes, bifidobacteria, > lactobacilli, Bacteroides, clostridia, and total aerobic bacteria were > significantly decreased; however, there was no significant treatment > effect on enterobacteria. Splenda also increased fecal pH and enhanced > the expression of P-gp by 2.43-fold, CYP3A4 by 2.51-fold, and CYP2D1 by > 3.49-fold. Following the 12-wk recovery period, only the total anaerobes > and bifidobacteria remained significantly depressed, whereas pH values, > P-gp, and CYP3A4 and CYP2D1 remained elevated. These changes occurred at > Splenda dosages that contained sucralose at 1.1-11 mg/kg (the US FDA > Acceptable Daily Intake for sucralose is 5 mg/kg). Evidence indicates > that a 12-wk administration of Splenda exerted numerous adverse effects, > including (1) reduction in beneficial fecal microflora, (2) increased > fecal pH, and (3) enhanced expression levels of P-gp, CYP3A4, and > CYP2D1, which are known to limit the bioavailability of orally > administered drugs. > > > > > > Amy Long Carrera MS, RD, CNSC > > Clinical Dietitian > > Northridge Hospital Medical Center & > > Center for Weight Loss Surgery > > 818-885-8500 x 4034 > > amy.long@... > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: > [mailto: ] On Behalf Of > dianejavelli > Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 5:44 PM > > Subject: Artificial sweeteners > > > > > > Am wondering what guidelines your programs have about artificial > sweeteners. Our program has always allowed - in moderation of course. > Now since there have been a couple of articles printed about art. > sweeteners possibly causing wt gain or decreasing gut flora there are > staff that are ready to say that they should be banned. Looking for your > opinions and possibly any research to refute or validate this opinion. > Thanks. -Diane > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 15, 2009 Report Share Posted October 15, 2009 Hi Alison, I prefer small amounts of sugar over any artificial sweetener, and limit my family's intake of sweets. Yes, we have treats on special occasions, but daily I try for 40 grams or less (from all sugar sources, including fruits). Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of A K Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:23 PM Subject: artificial sweeteners I am new to the concept of artificial sweeteners because I have lived with whole grains, and honey, stevia and organic sugar in small amounts for 30 years. So this diet is a change, but it does make sense for my sweet little boy. For a treat, I am looking for ideas, opinions and experiences with the artificial sweeteners for things like pumpkin pie, etc. Do any of you ever use truvia, xylitol or the splenda that is in the volume like sugar, etc. for infrequent treats? looking for ideas and thoughts. thanks. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Xylitol is really bad for my son, perhaps since it is corn based. I was told not to use splenda, but stick to stevia since is it natural, sounds like you have been using that anyways. Angie From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@...> Subject: RE: artificial sweeteners Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:56 AM  Hi Alison, I prefer small amounts of sugar over any artificial sweetener, and limit my family's intake of sweets. Yes, we have treats on special occasions, but daily I try for 40 grams or less (from all sugar sources, including fruits). Kristy From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of A K Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:23 PM groups (DOT) com Subject: artificial sweeteners I am new to the concept of artificial sweeteners because I have lived with whole grains, and honey, stevia and organic sugar in small amounts for 30 years. So this diet is a change, but it does make sense for my sweet little boy. For a treat, I am looking for ideas, opinions and experiences with the artificial sweeteners for things like pumpkin pie, etc. Do any of you ever use truvia, xylitol or the splenda that is in the volume like sugar, etc. for infrequent treats? looking for ideas and thoughts. thanks. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 Or agave. Kristy From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of angie huiz Sent: Sunday, October 18, 2009 6:20 PM Cc: nids Subject: Fw: RE: artificial sweeteners Xylitol is really bad for my son, perhaps since it is corn based. I was told not to use splenda, but stick to stevia since is it natural, sounds like you have been using that anyways. Angie From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@... <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> > Subject: RE: artificial sweeteners <mailto:%40> Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:56 AM Hi Alison, I prefer small amounts of sugar over any artificial sweetener, and limit my family's intake of sweets. Yes, we have treats on special occasions, but daily I try for 40 grams or less (from all sugar sources, including fruits). Kristy From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of A K Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:23 PM groups (DOT) com Subject: artificial sweeteners I am new to the concept of artificial sweeteners because I have lived with whole grains, and honey, stevia and organic sugar in small amounts for 30 years. So this diet is a change, but it does make sense for my sweet little boy. For a treat, I am looking for ideas, opinions and experiences with the artificial sweeteners for things like pumpkin pie, etc. Do any of you ever use truvia, xylitol or the splenda that is in the volume like sugar, etc. for infrequent treats? looking for ideas and thoughts. thanks. Alison Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2009 Report Share Posted October 18, 2009 > > From: Kristy Nardini <knardini@... > <mailto:knardini%40roadrunner.com> > > Subject: RE: artificial sweeteners > <mailto:%40> > Date: Thursday, October 15, 2009, 2:56 AM > > > > Hi Alison, > > I prefer small amounts of sugar over any artificial sweetener, and limit my > family's intake of sweets. Yes, we have treats on special occasions, but > daily I try for 40 grams or less (from all sugar sources, including fruits). > > Kristy > > From: groups (DOT) com [mailto:groups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of A K > > Sent: Friday, October 09, 2009 7:23 PM > groups (DOT) com > Subject: artificial sweeteners > > I am new to the concept of artificial sweeteners because I have lived with > whole grains, and honey, stevia and organic sugar in small amounts for 30 > years. So this diet is a change, but it does make sense for my sweet little > boy. For a treat, I am looking for ideas, opinions and experiences with the > artificial sweeteners for things like pumpkin pie, etc. Do any of you ever > use truvia, xylitol or the splenda that is in the volume like sugar, etc. > for infrequent treats? looking for ideas and thoughts. > > thanks. > Alison > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 I had to laugh about the aspertame......I received an article the other day about saccharin. Some where in Europe they offered saccharin or cocaine to 2,600 rats. 94%!!! chose the saccharin over the cocaine and these were cocaine addicted rats! The government, the chemical companies, the drug companies, the food companies, agri/biz, they're all the same. Same people running them, same people reaping the $$$. And they make the huge profit from people too lazy or dense to question any of it. Sad, but true. Okay off the soap box. Sure wish we'd see the sun here in Washington state. It's about 60 degrees F, if that!! OMG I see a blue patch - got to run!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shari Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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