cheese

[Guest guest]

> Yes, Bee... It is .

>

> I am feeling terribly depressed, ADD, and spaced today. I feel so

> odd... and I am just on the verge of crying. I feel terrible. I

> couldn't resist my urges... I failed, and I broke into my temptation

> for cheese and had raw emmentaler with my dinner. I needed something

> to help soothe me, I guess. I still feel terrible of course, b/c

now I feel guilty for having the cheese.

==>Hi . Do not be hard on yourself if you happen to cheat. At

least cheese isn't as bad for you as sugar. One cheat is not going

to interfere with your progress. Sometimes a cheat reminds you of

why you do not eat certain foods because it makes you feel so awful,

and it re-confirms your conviction to follow the diet.

>

> I feel so alone in my journey... All of my friends in 'real life'

live normal eating lives and I feel so 'odd' and it is really

emotionally difficult for me.

>

> There is so much conflicting information all over the internet and I

> am once again so exhausted by tryingt to weed out what is right and

> what is wrong, and whether or not I even have candida or not. I feel

> so lost and alone.

==>Many of us have felt exactly like you have. When we take

responsibility for our health our friends and family do not

understand and some even think we are crazy. Emotionally it is very

difficult to be so isolated and different. But rest assured, many of

those friends eating a standard diet (called normal??) may wake up

with cancer, diabetes or heart attack one day, while you are on your

road to health!

==>Remember that the main purpose of this program is to build up your

immune system so it is able to overcome candida the way it is meant

to. A strong immune system will also control other bacteria and

viruses that usually accompany candida overgrowth, called dybiosis.

Even though die-off, healing and detoxifying symptoms make you feel

worse, just know that every day you are on the program you are making

gains, but it does take time, patience and persistence. It's onward

and upward ! Keep up the good fight and you will win like many

others.

With warm regards, Bee

[Guest guest]

,

I could really feel what you're experiencing. I have felt the same

way so often in the last year since my health disintegrated and I

began a candida diet. A lot of my friends just looked at me with a

blank stare and it did feel so isolating to watch them eat whatever

they wanted--and it doesn't seem fair that they could do so and have

more energy than me! You're not alone though, you have us here to

support you. Whenever I feel alone in this thing, I read the promises

of future good health held in Bee's writings and the success stories.

And then I imagine myself experiencing all those things one day--like

boundless energy!--and I think of all the things I will do when that

day comes. Doing this also helps to silence all the 'conflicting

ideas' out there on health, when you focus on the results that your

fellows are experiencing on this diet. Keep on keeping on!

> I feel so alone in my journey... All of my friends in 'real life' live

> normal eating lives and I feel so 'odd' and it is really emotionally

> difficult for me.

>

> There is so much conflicting information all over the internet and I

> am once again so exhausted by tryingt to weed out what is right and

> what is wrong, and whether or not I even have candida or not. I feel

> so lost and alone.

>

[Guest guest]

. I too, understand your feelings and you have

gotten some good support on this website. Just

remember how healthy you will be after going through

all of this. I am not at that point yet. I haven't

even stopped all carbs yet, and I'm having difficulty

doing so. And I am still eating cheese also. I have

stopped sugars. I will say that that friend who

wanted you to drink the soda because it was already

poured is not a very good friend. That is just plain

mean and immature. Good luck to you.

Ellen in AZ

[Guest guest]

, I think it's safe to say that most if not all here have had

times of cheating. Maybe even despite the best planning. But the

thing is how to deal with it. Don't beat yourself up. When you

already feel terrible that's the last thing you need. Just because

you failed to resist that temptation doesn't mean you have failed

totally.

All the conflicting info out there is how I got here. THis program

is great. Bee has it all laid out. That is what we need. Not a

list of 80 different supplements that may help some. Not a list of

foods that are ok for some but not others. This program is pretty

precise. If it gets you confused looking at other ideas don't look

for awhile and just stick to this program. Even if it turned out

that you don't have candida you will be healthier for doing this

program.

I also have some thoughts on real life friends and their eating. I

will put it on another post. Anyway don't feel so alone, even if we

are not there with you we are here for you. Before long you'll feel

better and things will be easier.

Donna in Indy

>

>

> Yes, Bee... It is .

>

> I am feeling terribly depressed, ADD, and spaced today. I feel so

> odd... and I am just on the verge of crying. I feel terrible. I

> couldn't resist my urges... I failed, and I broke into my temptation

> for cheese and had raw emmentaler with my dinner. I needed something

> to help soothe me, I guess. I still feel terrible of course, b/c

now I

> feel guilty for having the cheese.

>

> I feel so alone in my journey... All of my friends in 'real life'

live

> normal eating lives and I feel so 'odd' and it is really emotionally

> difficult for me.

>

> There is so much conflicting information all over the internet and I

> am once again so exhausted by tryingt to weed out what is right and

> what is wrong, and whether or not I even have candida or not. I feel

> so lost and alone.

>

> > ==>Hi. It's , right? I sooo understand what you are going

> > through my friend. I had similar cravings when I was on the

program.

> > It's a very tough go sometimes. Hang in there. You are doing

the

> > right thing by eating plenty of butter and other fats. Here's

some

> > other ideas that can help you stave off cravings:

> > http://www.healingnaturallybybee.com/articles/menu_2_5_3.php

> >

> > The best in health, Bee

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Even though die-off, healing and detoxifying symptoms make you feel

> worse, just know that every day you are on the program you are

making > gains, but it does take time, patience and persistence.

's little life writes:

I admit it's hard for my mind to justify me getting sicker, but I

have hope. I don't want to end up with the Liver cancer that my

father died of and my brother has. Thank you for your encouragement

to Bee, and thus to all of us. I'm sure there are others like

me who are " just hanging in there. "

laura

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone who responded. It is nice again to know that I am

not completely alone. It is just hard sometimes when I get overwhelmed

and panic because I feel so alone at times.

[Guest guest]

I have had cheese myself and here's what has happened:

1) 3 weeks on diet: 1 piece pizza: nothing

2) 6 weeks on diet: accidental cheeze on sandwich, mucous in stool.

3) 3 months on diet: 3 sandwhiches in a week. Big cheating. I got

very ill. This was gluten and casein cheating. I believe the cheat

brought ear, head and hip pain and the gluten brought belly pain and

constipation.

I can't say for sure but I do believe there is some sort of

cumulative effect. So much I just do not know. Perhaps when I read

that " Is this your child " book.

>

> I find that Mark can tolerate small amounts of cheese with enzymes

without issue BUT were he to have it daily..... he goes right back

into his 'foggy, deaf' ways. I've tried it!

>

> He got sick again Friday from consuming some salt water toffee at a

friends house not realizing that there was milk inside of it; he

didn't use an enzyme. On Sunday, I got some of the same tafee and

gave it to him 'with' enzymes.... no problem! Interesting, eh?

>

> Janice

>

>

> [sPAM] [ ] Cheese

>

>

> Someone asked me today about the whole perils of milk thing where

I

> posted the heirarchy of milk reduction as Cheese = most harmful,

then

> ice cream as a close second, then milk and last yogurt. The

person

> gave pizza tp her dairyfree kid with no resulting problems.

>

> The reading I did at the time of all these postings on this lists

> that as the heirarchy. With that said, some of us who have seen

dairy

> removal help our kids do not know why. Whether it is a bona fide

> allergy or sensitivity, in my kids at least, is up for grabs.

Whether

> their reaction to milk is not allergy but an underlying metal

issue,

> a fluoride issue, or something else, remains unknown. In my kids

I

> saw a similar pizza thing. They seemed off but nothing as

horrific as

> I expected. I did read on the SCD diet some cheeses are more

harmful

> than others. Something about cheese culturing or casein burn off.

I

> also wonder, in my kids anyway, if it is not a casein thing. I

wonder

> if it is a gut tearing/malabsorption thing. I really believe what

I

> saw in my son...the drooling, fogginess, etc. was the poorly

absorbed

> calcium in the milk pulling out fluoride and wreaking havoc on

him.

> There was no magnesium or anything to sort of stop this when it

was

> going on. Cheese moved slower and constipated him whereas

> milk " cleaned him out. " Also, when I finally supplemented, I used

> liquid calcium first thing in the morning and, if you have not

read

> my 900 posts n this, it pulled a lot out. I think this is another

one

> of those things where, even if milk is a common problem for some

of

> these kids, the reason behind the problem, true allergy or

something

> else, needs to be known.

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I find that Mark can tolerate small amounts of cheese with enzymes without issue

BUT were he to have it daily..... he goes right back into his 'foggy, deaf'

ways. I've tried it!

He got sick again Friday from consuming some salt water toffee at a friends

house not realizing that there was milk inside of it; he didn't use an enzyme.

On Sunday, I got some of the same tafee and gave it to him 'with' enzymes.... no

problem! Interesting, eh?

Janice

[sPAM] [ ] Cheese

Someone asked me today about the whole perils of milk thing where I

posted the heirarchy of milk reduction as Cheese = most harmful, then

ice cream as a close second, then milk and last yogurt. The person

gave pizza tp her dairyfree kid with no resulting problems.

The reading I did at the time of all these postings on this lists

that as the heirarchy. With that said, some of us who have seen dairy

removal help our kids do not know why. Whether it is a bona fide

allergy or sensitivity, in my kids at least, is up for grabs. Whether

their reaction to milk is not allergy but an underlying metal issue,

a fluoride issue, or something else, remains unknown. In my kids I

saw a similar pizza thing. They seemed off but nothing as horrific as

I expected. I did read on the SCD diet some cheeses are more harmful

than others. Something about cheese culturing or casein burn off. I

also wonder, in my kids anyway, if it is not a casein thing. I wonder

if it is a gut tearing/malabsorption thing. I really believe what I

saw in my son...the drooling, fogginess, etc. was the poorly absorbed

calcium in the milk pulling out fluoride and wreaking havoc on him.

There was no magnesium or anything to sort of stop this when it was

going on. Cheese moved slower and constipated him whereas

milk " cleaned him out. " Also, when I finally supplemented, I used

liquid calcium first thing in the morning and, if you have not read

my 900 posts n this, it pulled a lot out. I think this is another one

of those things where, even if milk is a common problem for some of

these kids, the reason behind the problem, true allergy or something

else, needs to be known.

[Guest guest]

Matt,

Elimination of moldy foods and yeast products is suggested because as

a result of an intestinal yeast overgrowth the likelihood of

developing immune reactions to these things is greatly increased.

Cheese is typically food that contains mold. Additionally, most

cheeses will say 0 grams of carbs, but they typically still have a

certain level of lactose in them.

Personally, I like cheese and used to enjoy it a lot. I had a hard

time getting rid of it initially, and I would go through periods of

'cheating' with it. I've successfully conquered this temptation. I

don't like eating it any longer because the high casein content is

very 'binding' for me, and usually causes me large hard stools that

can be difficult to expel.

>

> Just was curious if someone can tell me why cheese isnt allowed on

> the candida diet. I know that lactose contains sugar and therefore

> milk is bad, but from what I understand, the lactose is pasteurized out

> of the milk in the cheese making proccess. when I look at the label on

> cheese, it always says 0g of sugar, whereas milk says 13g. I certainly

> can stop eating cheese if it means getting better, but I really dont

> like very many vegetables, so there already isnt much that I can eat as

> it is.

> --Matt

>

[Guest guest]

<jayppers2672@...> wrote:

> Matt,

>

> Elimination of moldy foods and yeast products is suggested because as

> a result of an intestinal yeast overgrowth the likelihood of

> developing immune reactions to these things is greatly increased.

> Cheese is typically food that contains mold. Additionally, most

> cheeses will say 0 grams of carbs, but they typically still have a

> certain level of lactose in them.

>

> Personally, I like cheese and used to enjoy it a lot. I had a hard

> time getting rid of it initially, and I would go through periods of

> 'cheating' with it. I've successfully conquered this temptation. I

> don't like eating it any longer because the high casein content is

> very 'binding' for me, and usually causes me large hard stools that

> can be difficult to expel.

>

>

You guys are killing me mentally! LOL

Give up smoking ok, give up Vodka we're going to fight, give up cheese? Ugh

that is the one thing I will eat a few slices of. <tears>

Dave

[Guest guest]

>>

> You guys are killing me mentally! LOL Give up smoking ok, give up

Vodka we're going to fight, give up cheese? Ugh> that is the one thing

I will eat a few slices of. <tears>

>

==>Actually Dave, it is not as important to give up smoking because

first of all most of the propaganda against smoking are lies, started

by drug cos. so they can make 2.5 billions dollars on patches, etc.,

and 2nd because they want to gain more control over government laws,

and people. It is a very well planned " control " campaign done by " front

groups " paid by the drug companies. They are now working very hard in

their labs to make nicotine drugs to treat the very diseases that are

claimed to be caused by smoking, i.e. heart disease.

==>Secondly smoking does not go into the making of the body's cells,

nutrients do. Dr. Mercola writes that eating 1 french fry is much

worse than smoking 1 cigarette.

Nicotine is actually nicotinic acid which is niacin which protects the

lungs against radiation, radioactive particles, etc. because it creates

a nice mucus layer in the lung so the damaging particles can be coughed

up easily. And the most important food for the lungs is saturated

fats - the lung's cells require 100%.

Lung cancer is only 2% of all cancers, and just as many people who

smoke get it as those that do not smoke, and since smoking has been

decreased it has not lowered lung cancer incidence, so it must be

something else, eh? Ya think? Lung cancer should be called what it

IS; " lacka satfats " instead of smoking.

Did you know that they use photos of the lungs of coal miner workers,

not the lungs of someone who smokes? My friend had her baby at home by

midwifes and she smoked a lot. The midwives asked if they could save

her placenta to show how it is affected by smoking. Wellll - her

placenta was just as pink and healthy as anyone's who hadn't smoked!

Duh?

They have also not proved that 2nd hand smoke causes diseases! Follow

the money! As cigarette taxes raise the drug cos. raise the cost of

smoking cessation products. Now the drug cos. can make tons of money

off of nicotine drugs for parkinsons (because nicotine raises dopamine

levels in the brain which is the drug given for Parkinsons), and for

ADD, etc. - they even plan to give nicotine drugs to children! Go

figure. Corruption is the name of the game.

Bee

[Guest guest]

Dear Bee,

Are you actually condoning cigarettes?

regards,

Perihan

>

> --- In , " Dave "

>

> ==>Actually Dave, it is not as important to give up smoking because

> first of all most of the propaganda against smoking are lies,

started by drug cos. so they can make 2.5 billions dollars on patches,

etc., and 2nd because they want to gain more control over government

laws, and people. It is a very well planned " control " campaign done by

" front > groups " paid by the drug companies. They are now working

very hard in

> their labs to make nicotine drugs to treat the very diseases that are

> claimed to be caused by smoking, i.e. heart disease.

>

[Guest guest]

Not to start a war but Perihan I have the same question also.

I know as a smoker physically what it does to me such as I am hooked, makes

me cough up tar, gave me asthma, makes my clothes and room stink, and has

thickened my blood, and every time you light up your BP goes up 10-20 Hg.

As a truck driver and Marlboro smoker I have been to the factory and have

seen what they spray on the tobacco.

If I smoke a fine cigar (this is where the premium tobacco goes) it does

not spark, crackle and pop like a butt does. I've found cheaper brands are

the worst at all of this.

Dave who knows he has to quit.

perihanterhaar <pterhaar@...> wrote:

> Dear Bee,

>

> Are you actually condoning cigarettes?

>

> regards,

>

> Perihan

>>

>> --- In , " Dave "

>>

>> ==>Actually Dave, it is not as important to give up smoking because

>> first of all most of the propaganda against smoking are lies,

>> started by drug cos. so they can make 2.5 billions dollars on patches,

>> etc., and 2nd because they want to gain more control over government

>> laws, and people. It is a very well planned " control " campaign done by

>> " front > groups " paid by the drug companies. They are now working

>> very hard in

>> their labs to make nicotine drugs to treat the very diseases that are

>> claimed to be caused by smoking, i.e. heart disease.

[Guest guest]

This was very interesting to me Bee because when I started to eat

your diet, I couldn't smoke anymore. I didn't want to give it up it

gave me up.

Interestingly enough I feel off the wagon the other day and instantly

had a cigarette craving.

Today I feel so nauseous i'm finding it hard to find anything i want

to eat

Blessings

pipxx

> >

> ==>Actually Dave, it is not as important to give up smoking because

> first of all most of the propaganda against smoking are lies,

started

> by drug cos. so they can make 2.5 billions dollars on patches,

etc.,

> and 2nd because they want to gain more control over government

laws,

> and people. It is a very well planned " control " campaign done

by " front

> groups " paid by the drug companies. They are now working very hard

in

> their labs to make nicotine drugs to treat the very diseases that

are

> claimed to be caused by smoking, i.e. heart disease.

>

> ==>Secondly smoking does not go into the making of the body's

cells,

> nutrients do. Dr. Mercola writes that eating 1 french fry is much

> worse than smoking 1 cigarette.

>

> Nicotine is actually nicotinic acid which is niacin which protects

the

> lungs against radiation, radioactive particles, etc. because it

creates

> a nice mucus layer in the lung so the damaging particles can be

coughed

> up easily. And the most important food for the lungs is saturated

> fats - the lung's cells require 100%.

>

> Lung cancer is only 2% of all cancers, and just as many people who

> smoke get it as those that do not smoke, and since smoking has been

> decreased it has not lowered lung cancer incidence, so it must be

> something else, eh? Ya think? Lung cancer should be called what

it

> IS; " lacka satfats " instead of smoking.

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Dear Bee,

>

> Are you actually condoning cigarettes?

>

> regards, Perihan

==>No, I'm emphasizing the importance of nutrients and eliminating

bad toxic foods, such as french fries that actually go into the make-

up of the body's cells, while smoking doesn't directly affect the

cells' make-up or construction. However, steaming or smoking some

natural substances has been used for eons to help respiratory

problems.

==>The problem for anyone, whether they smoke or not, IS that their

lungs' cells must be constructed out of 100% saturated fats in order

to be healthy, and to enable the cells to obtain nutrients or get rid

of toxins or waste. Meanwhile our governments, and the food,

nutrition, diet, industries promote propaganda against eating

saturated fats, lumping them together with trans fats - saturated

fats from animals, eggs, coconut oil, etc. are healthy, while trans

fats are man-made and very toxic to the body. No wonder cancer is a

modern-day epidemic along with heart disease and a host of other

degenerative conditions, which rarely occured before

industrialization.

And also I wanted to illustrate how much corruption is out there, and

that our governments are being manipulated purposely by drug

companies (and also by other industries such as agricultural, food,

cosmetic, medical, etc., etc.). Only we can take responsibility for

our own health, by knowing how important natural foods naturally

grown are to our health and by using consumer power to change things.

The best, Bee

[Guest guest]



Ever since I went raw I've dreamt about cheese! , a raw food chef from Great Britain, has a new ebook out on nut and seed cheeses. I've got the cashew cheese in the process as we speak. I've made other "cheeses" but his are supposed to be very good and very firm.

Keep your fingers crossed.

Shari

[Guest guest]

Wil, and group. sorry been out of touch for so long...

My gut for years--and in recent years, say the last 7--had been able to tolerate

both home-cultured milk with no lactose, and wonderful organic, Celtic-salted

raw cheese imported from Pennsylvania. Last summer of 2009 i had an

*unmistakable* adverse [indigestive] reaction to both cultured milk *and* the

cheese. [i also have to say i was consuming probably way too much of at least

the milk...]

It has finally occurred to me that HIGHLY likely as the #1 reason my body

reacted so strongly--aside from overconsumption--was because of budget

restrictions, i had switched (egads) from *organic* milk to NON-organic milk!!!

Of course i was completely forgetting about the (groan) ANTIBIOTICS in the

milk!!!!! (i react badly with indigestion after only one mistake meal of

non-organic chicken at a take-out place, the antibiotics throw my gut balance

so...)

So. According to the Encyclopedia of Natural Medicine, if one avoids the food

that caused an intolerance for 7 months, IF it is due to a food allergy,

reintoducing the food in SMALL quantities should be ok again.

So I will be experimenting again with the cultured milk--but THIS TIME with

ORGANIC ONLY milk!!! (I culture it until it begins to separate into curds and

whey; then all the lactose is used up.)

IF IF IF  *it* passes my gut's test of it, THEN i can experiemnt with my

wonderful PA chesse again...

PLEASE NOTE: my certified nutritionist told me that the culturing does produce

*trace amounts* of *alcohol* which of course turn into sugar--feeding candida or

any other fungus that also feeds on sugar. IF the product is allowed to culture

too much, the entire batch WILL GO TO ALCOHOL. more than once i have gotten a

slight *buzz* off milk left on too long! (i don't drink, so am very

sensitive...)

ANY FEEDBACK on what I have written here is MUCH APPRECIATED!!!

THE BEST TO ALL OF YOU!!!

Kind regards,

Louise

I love you all!!!!!

________________________________

From: Wil Spencer <wilspencer@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 5:43:17 PM

Subject: Re: cheese

I recommend all cheeses, as this is a great source for amino acids and a variety

of microorganisms.

The main point to be aware of is the ability for the body to process the animal

products. Enzymes are needed, protease, lipase, amylase and lactase. If your

body does not create them you will have digestion and immune response problems.

Wil Spencer  VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

________________________________

From: " daisytiff228@... " <daisytiff228@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:44:11 AM

Subject: cheese

 

Does anyone know any cheese that's allowed.. I know some say cottage,

ricotta, and goat... not sure though?

[Guest guest]

I would add to this that raw cheese is light years ahead of any processed and

cooked cheese when it comes to digestion. When I had candida raw cheese was fine

without taking added enzymes but all cooked cheese will need help since all the

natural enzymes are dead. It's a lot of work for the stomach to break it down.

We need to get closer to nature and stop eating unnatural foods if we want to

heal.

Fermented grains and beans are a much more digestible source of amino acids.

Donna Gate's Body Ecology book explains all that nicely.

Sharon

>

> I recommend all cheeses, as this is a great source for amino acids and a

variety

> of microorganisms.

>

> The main point to be aware of is the ability for the body to process the

animal

> products. Enzymes are needed, protease, lipase, amylase and lactase. If your

> body does not create them you will have digestion and immune response

problems.

>

> Wil Spencer VMSP, Naturopath, author, researcher

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> From: " daisytiff228@... " <daisytiff228@...>

> candidiasis

> Sent: Fri, August 6, 2010 12:44:11 AM

> Subject: cheese

>

>

> Does anyone know any cheese that's allowed.. I know some say cottage,

> ricotta, and goat... not sure though?

>

>

[Guest guest]

I'm learning that the cheese is actually  beneficial b/c it has so many

nutrients.  Honestly, I had been doing simple grains like quinoa and no dairy,

and was breaking out horribly, this week i decided to go to Wil for help, and

i've been DOWNING dairy including meunster, colby, and WHOLE milk, cream

etc...and i've been having a few fruits, and my symptoms have CALMED, I am now

off the grains like Wil suggested... symptoms are subsiding!!!!

-Kateri M Murray  

" Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition,

with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. "   Phlp 4:6 

[Guest guest]

yes I'm contemplating going grain free again! I ate some spelt yesterday and had

little itchy bumps on my thighs all of a sudden, I suspect it is due to that

without certainty though. I also eat cheese without too much trouble. I'm

contemplating having a session with Wil, I'm seeing a good doctor who does

chinese medecine etc on Friday so I'll see how this goes.

that's good you're feeling better!

________________________________

From: kateri murray <kateri222@...>

candidiasis

Sent: Mon, August 9, 2010 3:42:38 PM

Subject: re: cheese

I'm learning that the cheese is actually beneficial b/c it has so many

nutrients. Honestly, I had been doing simple grains like quinoa and no dairy,

and was breaking out horribly, this week i decided to go to Wil for help, and

i've been DOWNING dairy including meunster, colby, and WHOLE milk, cream

etc...and i've been having a few fruits, and my symptoms have CALMED, I am now

off the grains like Wil suggested... symptoms are subsiding!!!!

-Kateri M Murray

" Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition,

with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. " Phlp 4:6